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Blunder19
10-31-2013, 10:23 AM
Its Halloween.. if we cant show off some ghosts on this day.. then when the heck can we :)

Lets see some Ghosts!
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/IMG_1465.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/IMG_1465.jpg.html)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/IMG_1463.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/IMG_1463.jpg.html)

Not so scary? Not yet at least... But the backs may frighten you! They fit together! :p
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/teststrips2.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/teststrips2.jpg.html)

wonkaticket
10-31-2013, 10:26 AM
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/large/Bowerman.jpg

Blunder19
10-31-2013, 10:45 AM
BOO!

This Ferguson Front Ghost scared Mori so bad he lost his skin color.. look at how pale Mori is!.. oh wait thats cause the cards missing ink too:cool:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/FergusonGhost.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/FergusonGhost.jpg.html)

calvindog
10-31-2013, 11:02 AM
<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/7747972302/" title="1911 Turkey Red Cabinet T3 Proof -- Red Kleinow ghost image on back by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8295/7747972302_48171edced_b.jpg" width="703" height="1024" alt="1911 Turkey Red

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/7748005452/" title="1911 Turkey Red Cabinet T3 Proof -- Red Kleinow ghost image on back by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7748005452_bf4569c03a_b.jpg" width="693" height="1024" alt="1911 Turkey Red Cabinet T3 Proof -- Red Kleinow ghost image on back"></a>

wonkaticket
10-31-2013, 11:11 AM
Love that card Jeff, just love it!

atx840
10-31-2013, 11:19 AM
Scary stuff guys.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5342/9437437821_82d4e91e10_c.jpg

irishdenny
10-31-2013, 11:19 AM
Awesome... "Screaming" Cool Card Jeff!

1st time I've seen it, Very Cool indeed!!!

Leon
10-31-2013, 11:20 AM
Matty ghost...

deadballera
10-31-2013, 11:32 AM
don't let these guys scare you

atx840
10-31-2013, 11:38 AM
Jamie, Mori's time to scare.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3791/8832609654_8b9ab7965e_c.jpg

joeadcock
10-31-2013, 11:57 AM
Chris

Cool image

freakhappy
10-31-2013, 12:03 PM
Great thread, Jamie!

Love the Goudey ghosts, but I have to agree with Wonka...that Chase is sick!

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 12:05 PM
That is one Cool Card!

Rob D.
10-31-2013, 12:23 PM
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atx840
10-31-2013, 12:26 PM
That's a cool one Rob.

mrvster
10-31-2013, 03:53 PM
:eek:

I will play later:)

This is right up my alley:D

Blunder19
10-31-2013, 04:14 PM
I think this website is Haunted!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/796599de-8e92-4e1a-969b-f7db5da0191d_zpsdd1221f5.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/796599de-8e92-4e1a-969b-f7db5da0191d_zpsdd1221f5.jpg.html)

greenmonster66
10-31-2013, 06:03 PM
Wow.. This is great! Love them all!

wolterse
10-31-2013, 06:59 PM
Boo!

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:11 PM
Here's my Weimer....

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:14 PM
Here's the back...
sorry if double post....taking me a little time to get used to posting

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:24 PM
119987

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:25 PM
119988

Rob D.
10-31-2013, 07:27 PM
Hope you're prepared for a bombardment of PMs and lowball offers.

Nice cards.

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:31 PM
Hahaha; I hear ya Rob....
Thanks!!!

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:34 PM
119989

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:35 PM
119990Meant to say Joss Yellow Brown in last post

Sophiedog
10-31-2013, 07:38 PM
Here's 2 Slagles...One with color shift119991

mrvster
10-31-2013, 08:19 PM
you 'da man.....

Tobacco&Gum
10-31-2013, 08:29 PM
that card is crazy johnny!

atx840
10-31-2013, 08:43 PM
Charlie's used to it. ;)

Nice Weimer.

Johnny, best ghost out there. No other like it.

Bestdj777
10-31-2013, 08:49 PM
you 'da man.....

Awesome card. When yall are working on the Monster, do you count the Ghosts twice? It would be awesome to see a 261ish card "complete" set.

mrvster
10-31-2013, 09:02 PM
you guys keep me going.....i'm trying for wagner one day and trade the circus:D

ValKehl
10-31-2013, 09:50 PM
Rob, T206 ghosts seem to be "a dime a dozen," but I have never ever seen anything remotely like your fantastic Butter Creme!
Val

Jantz
10-31-2013, 10:30 PM
Maybe not a ghost, but there are a few "orbs" floating around Lena. ;)

Jantz

h2oya311
11-01-2013, 06:18 AM
I don't have any ghosts in my collection, but I do have a vampire!!

http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/1909%20Hooper%20Natl.jpg

smtjoy
11-01-2013, 08:25 AM
Great Ghost everyone!

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Exhibit%20Collection/1926-29%20PC/2629exheilmann40both.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Exhibit%20Collection/1926-29%20PC/2629exheilmann40both.jpg.html)

Sophiedog
11-01-2013, 10:51 AM
Johnny!!!!!!!! That Lake card is UNBELIEVABLE!!!! WOW!!!!!!! Never saw anything like it!!!

Sophiedog
11-01-2013, 10:54 AM
Jamie: The Moriarty Card with the Ghost is Incredible!

mrvster
11-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Thanks C Dawg!
:)

Bender is one of my favorite cards :D

everyone's cards here arePHENOMINAL:eek:

Ladder7
11-02-2013, 07:10 AM
Great freaks.

The ghosts that are not WSTs I think, were the the result of an ink pass upon the metal press surface, when the pressman missed a paper throw. The following pass picked up that ink.

CW
11-02-2013, 12:24 PM
Very cool cards, guys!

I've posted this one before, but never get tired of showing it off... ;) :p

Sean
11-02-2013, 01:03 PM
Chuck, I can't believe you've never had that card graded. :rolleyes:

atx840
11-02-2013, 04:27 PM
Where's Gilbert? Please :)

Ladder7
11-02-2013, 07:15 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Freaks/t206gilbertfb.png

atx840
11-03-2013, 12:05 AM
Gorgeously spooky, thanks Steve.

mrvster
11-03-2013, 05:49 AM
there it is:D

was almost in the circus:p......Jamie was close on that also;)

congrats on that beauty......an elite card in an elite group of collectors;)

hands down as rare and as kewl as brown old mill.......

these cards are like little pieces of art:D

I love the fact, that this can be called "THE GILBERT" ;)

CW
11-03-2013, 10:24 AM
These are the coolest of the "freaks", in my opinion. :cool:

Love the detail in some of those ghost images.

Imagine what lurks out there in collections undiscovered, hidden gems in someone's stash -- someone who's never heard of this Net54 we all peruse daily. It's spooky to think about it... :eek:

Leon
11-03-2013, 10:26 AM
These are the coolest of the "freaks", in my opinion. :cool:

Love the detail in some of those ghost images.

Imagine what lurks out there in collections undiscovered, hidden gems in someone's stash -- someone who's never heard of this Net54 we all peruse daily. It's spooky to think about it... :eek:

Don't forget Emil.....and Ferrell

http://luckeycards.com/pe126x3master.jpg

drmondobueno
11-04-2013, 10:04 AM
Picked this up from a Net54 member last week, thanx!

wonkaticket
11-04-2013, 10:43 AM
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/large/Ghost.jpg
Thanks to Adam for selling me this back in the day.

atx840
10-29-2014, 08:45 AM
That time of year again!

insccollectibles
10-29-2014, 07:00 PM
A couple ghosts

mrvster
10-29-2014, 07:23 PM
wrong in your neighborhood......how you gonna call??:)

irishdenny
10-29-2014, 08:00 PM
WoW... You Guyz Have Got Some Really Cool Freaky Ghosts...
JuST BrillianT Steve!! ~ Very Impressive ~ Never NeW You had HiM LurkinG behind the Scenes...

Clarke will NeVer be the Same... BeSide Himself ;-)

mrvster
10-29-2014, 08:52 PM
dadadadatdatdat.....

Jantz
10-29-2014, 09:08 PM
Yet another Myers.

atx840
10-31-2014, 03:26 PM
They're watching you :eek:

show em if you got em.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2921/13909056916_3e8cc5d51b_b.jpg

MMarvelli
10-31-2014, 04:04 PM
166248

166249

166250

JerryTotino
10-31-2014, 04:05 PM
166251

mrvster
10-31-2014, 06:53 PM
:)

Texxxx
10-31-2014, 07:16 PM
Happy Halloween

Bigb13
11-06-2014, 01:36 PM
166913

Sean
11-06-2014, 01:40 PM
Wow, that's a complete overprint. I can't recall seeing one like that before.

Maybe Johnny can tell us just how rare that is.

MVSNYC
11-06-2014, 02:24 PM
I'm not into the ghost cards too much, BUT that Poland/Downey is downright sick!

Johnny will be posting about 700 exclamation points very shortly.

Jobu
11-06-2014, 02:56 PM
Johnny's post is half-written - he had a heart attack before he could hit "submit reply"

I'm not into the ghost cards too much, BUT that Poland/Downey is downright sick!

Johnny will be posting about 700 exclamation points very shortly.

mrvster
11-06-2014, 03:27 PM
THERE'S one of my WHite Whales:eek::eek:

The Downey I have been trying to get from Rob for YEARS;):eek:

I have kicked myself in the ass when I passed on that card from Scott F in early 2000:eek::eek:

I could cry.....but ....alas....Rob deserves that beauty...


trying to catch my breathe right now....LOVE THAT CARD!! HINT HINT HINT;)

Bigb13
11-06-2014, 04:01 PM
Downey is one of a kind I have never seen anything close to looking this good. Big bucks. I see SGC has given number grade to ghosts cards all depends who submits it but looks vgex to me no creases and beautiful focus good centering. Rob

mrvster
11-07-2014, 06:06 AM
in all due respect.......SGC is totally objective ..:confused:.....

you need to understand what kind of card you own....:)


and appreciate it....


it's called a "printer's scrap"......it was hand cut from scrap sheets.....if you received a "number" grade on this card , it would indicate that the card was "factory" cut and truly not scrap......which would "red flag" the card to me...then "forget about" big bux;) I wouldn't want it a quarter as much if it weren't scrap....without the "A" .....the "A" means everything on that card....btw....id "kiss" SGC's ass for putting the actual ghost image of Poland on the flip;) I would thank them for that......:D

I haven't seen any front ghost image T206 :confused: with a numerical grade( true printer's scrap with front ghosts)???????????????? please show me one???:confused:

my one regret was not picking you card up for $650.00 years ago.....


regards

Bigb13
11-07-2014, 06:28 AM
I have seen ghosts on the back like Frank Chance ghost with a number grade why would they do that? Rob

Bigb13
11-07-2014, 06:45 AM
I have a lot more ghost image or overprints whatever they are called. 48 Bowman 52 Topps 51 Bowman 60fleer baseball and football along with maybe 5 or 6 other vintage ones I would have to look I have 3 shoeboxes full of overprints. Rob

irishdenny
11-07-2014, 03:32 PM
iS a Little Late to the Party...
However, Mr. Babe Ruth Always arrives exactly when he means too! :cool:

mrvster
11-07-2014, 10:15 PM
those back ghost underprints are factory cut:)

shammus
11-07-2014, 11:15 PM
No Pre-WWI E-cards yet? Well here's one....

Not a true "ghost" in terms of the card being a wet-sheet-transfer, but because this Mordecai is missing so many color passes, the result is a very ghostlike version of Mordecai in this example...

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MVSNYC
11-08-2014, 05:05 AM
Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

shammus
11-08-2014, 10:17 AM
Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

News to me. This card came from the late Jim Blumenthal who owned the card for 10 years I believe, before he traded it to me in early august. He had acquired it in a Lipset auction back in 2004.

insccollectibles
11-08-2014, 11:27 AM
This one has a stadium ghost

irishdenny
11-08-2014, 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by MVSNYC View Post
Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

News to me. This card came from the late Jim Blumenthal who owned the card for 10 years I believe, before he traded it to me in early august. He had acquired it in a Lipset auction back in 2004.

Hey there Brian, MVSNYC(My Apologies, I'm terrible with remembering Names),

I Remember Jim's Card Very Well and Would Be Honored if ThiS Such Card Was iN My CollectioN!
As fir it being tampered with... if I remember correctly, this card was included in a topic of cards that were subject to "Someone's Work".

However, IMHO... JimB had owned and presented this card numerous of times that Well Predate such "Handy Work" of those involved wit creating "Fake Ghost Cards". So No, This Card iS True to the Hobby!

ThiS Card to me iS Iconic!!! And If You Ever Decide that You Might Want to Sell or Trade iT ~ Brian, Please Ring me uP!

"I Truly Would Love to add one of Jim's Cards to my Collection, Especially ThiS One!!!"

shammus
11-08-2014, 12:55 PM
Hey there Brian, MVSNYC(My Apologies, I'm terrible with remembering Names),

I Remember Jim's Card Very Well and Would Be Honored if ThiS Such Card Was iN My CollectioN!
As fir it being tampered with... if I remember correctly, this card was included in a topic of cards that were subject to "Someone's Work".

However, IMHO... JimB had owned and presented this card numerous of times that Well Predate such "Handy Work" of those involved wit creating "Fake Ghost Cards". So No, This Card iS True to the Hobby!

ThiS Card to me iS Iconic!!! And If You Ever Decide that You Might Want to Sell or Trade iT ~ Brian, Please Ring me uP!

"I Truly Would Love to add one of Jim's Cards to my Collection, Especially ThiS One!!!"


Thanks Denny, I appreciate the kind words. I'm curious how recently did this individual create his fake ghost cards? I know the mordecai brown pictured has been in a holder the past decade and I don't think there was any interest in ghosts or printing flubs prior to that was there? At least not enough interest for someone to be out there forging them...

Bigb13
11-08-2014, 02:12 PM
167240not prewar but still cool

irishdenny
11-09-2014, 12:30 AM
Thanks Denny, I appreciate the kind words. I'm curious how recently did this individual create his fake ghost cards? I know the mordecai brown pictured has been in a holder the past decade and I don't think there was any interest in ghosts or printing flubs prior to that was there? At least not enough interest for someone to be out there forging them...

Greeting AgaiN Brian!,

As far as I know & remember... There were very few of us who collected these types 10 + years or so ago(within the Net54 Community anyways). Back then... I had quite a few of them and even had a tuff time selling & trading them.

As for the Soul with the creative hand... About 2-4 years ago, Do You remember a lad by the name of Kevin Saucier(I believe that was his name!?) He showed up & claimed that he could remove layers of color... and that he new of some other who had created some of the cards that were in circulation that were gaining attention. He even claimed that PSA had labeled some of them "Missing Color"... I was not a believer then, nor am I now!

I do know that these threads should be available iN Archives... Only, I haven't the desire to drum them uP for the sake of side tracking this Wonderful Thread... So I do Hope that You'll forgive me :)

Rest assured my dear friend... iN my Most Humble OpinioN ~
Your Mordecai iS the Real Deal!
I have No Doubt!!!

Bigb13
11-09-2014, 08:56 AM
167309

Bigb13
11-09-2014, 09:08 AM
167312

mrvster
11-09-2014, 06:34 PM
That Starr is super rare and in an elite group of approx. 12 ghost "under print" factory stamps...

get that puppy sgc graded!!! it's an 8 k card at least:)....that one will get a numerical grade.....very nice card:eek:

here's my weimer:)...sister card to the starr

Blunder19
11-09-2014, 10:27 PM
Boo!
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/FergusonGhost_zps4e7ab664.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/FergusonGhost_zps4e7ab664.jpg.html)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/49-66a_lg_zps991304f2.jpeg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/49-66a_lg_zps991304f2.jpeg.html)

Bigb13
11-10-2014, 07:09 AM
Hi Chris you mean Becker? I am taking a ride to Sgc today to get it graded.

Bigb13
11-10-2014, 06:14 PM
Hi Chris here it is I was very happy167477

Bigb13
11-11-2014, 09:47 PM
Here's a52 Topps167638

mrvster
11-11-2014, 09:58 PM
Congrats! 1 year later, and I said "sister " card, but obviously not cut from the same sheet...:)

WHAT a beauty....an elite club....

JAMIE:eek::eek::eek:

I'M having scrap OVERLOAD:eek:

onlychild
11-12-2014, 02:06 AM
Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

mrvster
11-12-2014, 06:22 AM
are a master;)

Bigb13
11-12-2014, 10:49 AM
Here's another one for you 52 guys 167666

SMPEP
11-12-2014, 10:51 AM
Gotta love those 1952 triple prints!

Cheers,
Patrick

irishdenny
11-12-2014, 02:57 PM
Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

It is Completely Impossible to Remove the Exact Structure of a Person within any Card from any Year Just by using chemicals... The chemical would spread and ultimately remove more of the colors!

I know that you have a following of members who believe that You have this gift... Some even think You've Master'd this fallacy... I'm not saying that You can't remove colors... And imho, that is a complete an utter crime!

What I am Saying... is that Your knowledge is, and has been Always Talk.
Show us some of Your handy work... :rolleyes:

Just to add... I'm not normally this confronting. However...

Bigb13
11-12-2014, 04:21 PM
167741

Bigb13
11-13-2014, 01:30 PM
v

Bigb13
11-14-2014, 05:41 PM
167913

Bigb13
11-14-2014, 05:42 PM
167914

Leon
11-16-2014, 10:54 AM
A Matty ghost back obtained from a board member a few years ago (and a few other random strip cards)...

http://luckeycards.com/pw516varieties9x.jpg

shammus
11-17-2014, 04:32 PM
Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

It would be nice if someone came to the table with a reason as to why the Mordecai is "questionable". Perhaps, something a little more definative about the Mordecai's history that makes it fall into this category? Right now, the argument I'm hearing is "card shaving exists....so therefore the Mordecai must be shaved".

Regarding the card's history, I think we've already established that the e93 has been in a holder for the past 10 years (at least) and it was with Jim B all this time after he bought it in a Lipset Auction. From what people are telling me the artist in question was someone within the past few years?

Does anyone have an example of a shaved card they could post? Then we could at least have something to compare the Mordecai to? The silhouette on the Mordecai looks a little too good to be the result of shaving off part of the card but I'll definitely keep an open mind if someone can post something similar.

Also, has anything been documented on "card shaving"? This is something I've never heard of so it would be helpful to read up on it....

onlychild
11-17-2014, 11:19 PM
Brian, I've never heard the term "shaving" in regards to removing colors; always understood that to mean micro-trimming or sanding.

When cards are put through a series of certain chemicals some colors wash away faster than others. The dark green (as seen on Mordecai), browns, and certain blacks hang on longer, while others may fade rather quickly. Why? I don't know. More/less or spot specific ink can be removed depending on the amount of detail desired.

Anyways, here are some examples on why I think the Mordecai card is questionable. I made these and dozens of other altered cards years ago. The t206 below had the background with just the image removed but I decided to keep going. To my knowledge, none of my alterations are in the hobby.

Kevin Saucier

Leon
11-18-2014, 10:11 AM
It would be nice if someone came to the table with a reason as to why the Mordecai is "questionable". Perhaps, something a little more definative about the Mordecai's history that makes it fall into this category? Right now, the argument I'm hearing is "card shaving exists....so therefore the Mordecai must be shaved".

Regarding the card's history, I think we've already established that the e93 has been in a holder for the past 10 years (at least) and it was with Jim B all this time after he bought it in a Lipset Auction. From what people are telling me the artist in question was someone within the past few years?

Does anyone have an example of a shaved card they could post? Then we could at least have something to compare the Mordecai to? The silhouette on the Mordecai looks a little too good to be the result of shaving off part of the card but I'll definitely keep an open mind if someone can post something similar.

Also, has anything been documented on "card shaving"? This is something I've never heard of so it would be helpful to read up on it....

Brian, I am with Kevin on the Mordecai. For me it's just a gut feeling by the way it looks. Yes, it's been around for years but so have many bad (and good) ghostly cards :). Also, why is it still residing in a GAI holder? Have you or anyone else (you know of) ever had another grading company look at it? It just doesn't look right to me. But I am not saying I am 100% on it one way or another....

shammus
11-18-2014, 05:23 PM
Kevin, thanks for explaining that makes a little more sense now. I had no idea that you could remove color from cards with precision that way. I thought the only real method was soaking, which sort of takes all color away consistantly and with no accuracy.

Leon, the card has been in the same holder since Jim bought it back in 2004. Link is below. I'm not a big fan of sending cards in for grading, have never had an account with SGC or PSA, and probably haven't sent a card in for grading in close to a decade. I guess I could consider it now though since circumstances seem to call for it.
http://www.oldjudge.com/archive/200411/baseball/graded/176/

A question though, if this is done with chemicals and not by shaving or sanding the color away, how can it be done to match the curves of the card precisely? Mordecai's silhouette seems to be perfectly shaped still.

Also for the colors themselves, I figure the brown started with a dark green color pass for the background and then added a layer of yellow to lighten the green to the point where it's the bright green you see normally on the e93 Brown. But if you're removing color with chemicals, how does the chemical seek out only the yellow from the paper but leave the dark green? His sleeves also had the lightest grey out of all the spots where you saw a grey or black but you still see a lot of the light grey remaining, where as areas of darker grey, like the "C" on his chest, are completely gone.

Final question, did this ever come up on the board before or discuss it with Jim? Seems like I saw Jim post pictures of this card several times over the years but nobody ever said anything about it before now.

mrvster
11-18-2014, 08:47 PM
;)been waiting for the young ghost brown om rosetta stone of t206 to appear:)

one of my favorite scrap:D

irishdenny
11-19-2014, 12:39 AM
Brian, I've never heard the term "shaving" in regards to removing colors; always understood that to mean micro-trimming or sanding.

When cards are put through a series of certain chemicals some colors wash away faster than others. The dark green (as seen on Mordecai), browns, and certain blacks hang on longer, while others may fade rather quickly. Why? I don't know. More/less or spot specific ink can be removed depending on the amount of detail desired.

Anyways, here are some examples on why I think the Mordecai card is questionable. I made these and dozens of other altered cards years ago. The t206 below had the background with just the image removed but I decided to keep going. To my knowledge, none of my alterations are in the hobby.

Kevin Saucier

Hey there Kevin,

Yes... these cards are well known(to me anyway). Scraps & Removing Color has always been of interest of mine. 15 or so years ago, Scraps, Misfits, Freaks etc... were a good part of my collection. I'm curious to see, if You have one, or know of one other, an Example of one that would be iN the same order as Jim's "Mordecai Brown". Mostly, Colors can be removed by chemically neutralizing the specific ink color. Removing a combination of a few colors is not possible without damaging the card, also the chemical solvent would then bleed into the other area of the cards color-litho(In this case, outside the players figure). Even carefully removing one color at a time, would be a very lengthy process... and in the end the card itself would show noticeable damage. Removing the Black ink is the hardest![

This is why I am so confident that Jim's Card is "Scrap" and not made after the factory to look this way.

Just a little disclosure! I grew up New York and one of my friends, their family owns a major printing company. The Family Business is 3 generation's running. My Friend is a little older than me, I believe that he's 57. In the past 10 or so years we have discussed the possibilities of the ink process and in~depth color removal. He has been very Helpful, Helping me to understand what can and can't be done.

And of course, all of this iS, my humble opinion :)

Oh... Brian, I do believe that this was brought up involving Jim's Card, But I don't remember Jim being involved in the discussion... When I have a bit more time, I'll see if I can come uP wit the Archives... oR maybe someone else can help us out?

onlychild
11-19-2014, 10:07 PM
Denny, will try my best here. It's not the colors that are missing insomuch as what colors are left; the stubborn dark green and shades of blacks.

It is easier to remove a combination of ink then it is to remove a certain color. In some cases it is not possible to my knowledge. I have been able to remove just the light blue and/or just the flesh tone. It has to be closely watched and checked on by the second. More than one chemical or mixtures are required at times. In all the card stock and remains perfectly intact. If it looks off, a simple re-tone fixes it.

Here are some cards made previously that come close. I tend to get carried away and keep the process going without documenting the progress but this will give you an idea. Guess, I could always find a non-sport and make another to match the Brown but it's a process and my interests are elsewhere now.

Kevin

irishdenny
11-22-2014, 12:57 AM
Thanks Kev,
I do believe that we both can see & understand that the "Process" takes its toll oN the Card and the evidence of the "Process" is left behind leaving the Card Damaged...

My Belief iS... that if I had your cards iN hand and the Mordecai along side of them I would be able to determine that the Mordecai iS "Real"(w/o any Card Surface/Layer damage).

I do follow along as to what Your conveying and I just have the notion that the proof iS & would be iN plain sight... iF the Cards were iN my hands(or yours!), the answer would be easy to determine. At this point... I Still Strongly see the Mordecai to be "True Scrap", as opposed to being "Worked"...To me, It Looks More Real than NoT!

I do humbly believe that the latest cards that you scanned, show me enough that I believe that I can tell that they have been "worked".

I do understand & respect both Yours & Leon's position/opinion oN the Mordecai Card. However, from what I know... The Dating of the Mordecai Slabbing, & from its scan(although one might say its really hard to see & tell!?), I still believe that its True to the "Scrap" Nature.

Thanks fir taking the time to share & discuss the issue.
And if I at All offended You iN Any Way...
"Please Forgive Me!?"
I Sometimes wear my emotions oN my Arm(so to speak), my passion is & remains towards the Hobby... I'm certain that the idea that it was "JimB's Card" that was iN question... & I'm sure that I went further than I should of, my emotions got the best of me!

"So I do Hope that You'll Forgive me!?"

Sincerely!

As Always...

Sophiedog
11-22-2014, 06:24 PM
Weimer Ghost
168824

168825

168826

168827
Available in BST

ecRich
11-22-2014, 07:11 PM
The ghost of Al Simmons is in a Philadelphia theater.

Jobu
10-31-2016, 10:52 AM
I thought it would be fun to bump this thread for Halloween.

Jantz
10-31-2016, 08:57 PM
Here is two-for-one.

Thanks again Mike P. for adding this one to my collection.

Luke
10-31-2016, 09:09 PM
Cool card Jantz! Who is on the left?

Here's my McLean-Evans:

Jantz
10-31-2016, 09:18 PM
Cool card Jantz! Who is on the left?

Here's my McLean-Evans:

Lena Blackburne

Another Net54 member pointed it out to me some time ago when I bought it.

There is another Myers ghost that matches up like this.

irishdenny
10-31-2016, 10:37 PM
Boo!!!
Here He iS Jantz...

kdixon
01-28-2017, 10:11 AM
Wheat signed ghost.

atx840
10-31-2021, 02:53 PM
Let's see some spookiness :eek:

carlsonjok
10-31-2021, 03:01 PM
It isn't pre-war. In fact, it doesn't even exist in meat space. But, a number of years ago, I photoshopped a Creature from the Black Lagoon card, based on the 2004 Fleer Greats of the Game set.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pATPYQ3FRU0/Tq6-c-s5KLI/AAAAAAAABI0/NSwEuUPE9bc/s400/CFBL_Front.jpghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7e7pmzr0Y6w/Tq6-crOTAuI/AAAAAAAABIo/xwCESZnSQcc/s400/CFBL_Back.jpg

brianp-beme
10-31-2021, 08:17 PM
The ghosted T206 Lentz, wearing an E94 McGraw costume.

Brian

scooter729
10-31-2021, 08:40 PM
Not many days more appropriate to post this one than on Halloween!

stutor
10-31-2021, 08:51 PM
Not many days more appropriate to post this one than on Halloween!

Looks like SGC got ‘tricked’. How do you slab a ‘white border’ t206 as a ‘brown border’ t205????

Great card by the way!!!