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vintagecpa
10-13-2013, 05:31 PM
I was just curious what card in the industry would be considered the most controversial after the recent information with the Gretzky Wagner? There must be something better than the Cincinnati Wagner nonsense?

ullmandds
10-13-2013, 05:34 PM
uh...you mean besides the gretzky wagner? probably the blue old mill back t206 walsh?!

1880nonsports
10-13-2013, 06:26 PM
uh...you mean besides the gretzky wagner? probably the blue old mill back t206 walsh?!

damn. That was my immediate reaction :-)

ullmandds
10-13-2013, 06:29 PM
apparently weirdos think alike!!!!:D

wolterse
10-13-2013, 07:01 PM
Cobb-Edwards Wagner? :D

terjung
10-13-2013, 08:46 PM
Cobb-Edwards Wagner? :D

Controversial? Hardly.

Notorious, perhaps.

David W
10-14-2013, 10:10 AM
It's probably still the Gretzky/McNall Wagner with nothing at all close to it.

It's gone from PSA 8 to PSA Authentic, decreasing (in theory) it's value by 80%.

But with someone going to prison over the card, it may hold it's value.

Maybe. I bet whoever owns it hopes it does.

wonkaticket
10-14-2013, 10:40 AM
All this talk of the card trimming and the card keeping its original untrimmed value is great news. Now if I can just link my few trimmed cards to the hands of the Trim Master General Bill Mastro they are sure to jump in value to pre-trimmed prices!

Perhaps I can get SGC and PSA to do pedigree flips “Mastro Job”.

e107collector
10-14-2013, 11:46 AM
Any thoughts on what PSA will now do with the PSA 8 Wagner? Is it up to the current owner to contact them, or do they have to reach out to him to correct their mistake?

Also, if they re-grade the Wagner "Authentic," how would they determine the current value, without auctioning it off?

And, if they compensate the current owner for their mistake, does he have to give it the card to PSA at that point?

Tony

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 11:49 AM
I'm guessing they do nothing...and the current owner couldn't care less.

Cardboard Junkie
10-14-2013, 12:02 PM
I think Kendricks should, (and probably does) have a bunch of three piece suits advising him on this conundrum.

wonkaticket
10-14-2013, 12:18 PM
I think Kendricks should, (and probably does) have a bunch of three piece suits advising him on this conundrum.

"Three Piece Suits" surely he has a legal team that isn't from the 80's and has more modern attire. :)

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 12:28 PM
nice John...I was thinking the same thing...who the hell wears 3 piece suits anymore...except maybe hipster doofus's...and hopefully their pants aren't pleated either!!!!

ScottFandango
10-14-2013, 12:42 PM
nice John...I was thinking the same thing...who the hell wears 3 piece suits anymore...except maybe hipster doofus's...and hopefully their pants aren't pleated either!!!!

the dude from Ancient Aliens wears a nice three piece suit...

can remember his name, but he has a lot of hair...

Cardboard Junkie
10-14-2013, 12:48 PM
The latest issue of GQ is loaded with TPS.
Back on topic though....I think the whole black swamp fiasco reeks of controversy.

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 12:55 PM
I don't really understand the controversy of the BSF?! Blue OM...yes...but not the BSF?

I understand it's hard to fathom...but the story jives...and the cards are real?

ScottFandango
10-14-2013, 12:57 PM
I don't really understand the controversy of the BSF?! Blue OM...yes...but not the BSF?

they were all found in perfect shape...not one banged up...was this the only collection in the world that had ALL mint cards that the rest of us have never seen a 5? I am hearing they were sheet cut cards....
the find should have been the uncut sheets!

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 12:59 PM
not true, Scott...some were banged up!

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 12:59 PM
If the story is true...then it is believable to me!

ScottFandango
10-14-2013, 01:00 PM
I don't really understand the controversy of the BSF?! Blue OM...yes...but not the BSF?

I understand it's hard to fathom...but the story jives...and the cards are real?

is this a question? ?
Pete, I have to say, you confuse me many times with your standard ?!? punctuation...can you stick with one or the other? sometimes its hard to get when you don't hear the person speaking an inflection...:D

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 01:01 PM
And if they were cut from sheets...how come certain players are not represented?

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 01:01 PM
can't I yell a question? i like to yell!!!!

ScottFandango
10-14-2013, 01:02 PM
And if they were cut from sheets...how come certain players are not represented?

saving them for next years Brown Swamp Find?

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 01:13 PM
nice Scott...if there IS...another BSF...then I'll reconsider my stance!!

4815162342
10-14-2013, 02:07 PM
Back on topic though....I think the whole black swamp fiasco reeks of controversy.

You say this over and over again. How did you come to this conclusion?

Have you seen the cards? I, and many others have - they are 100% authentic.

Have you spoken to anyone in the family? I, and others have; this family is not on starvation, so money wasn't a huge motivator.

This is an Occam's razor situation: An old man owned a store and kept aside or just plain forgot a stack or two of baseball cards given to him to distribute to kids. It's that simple.

the 'stache
10-14-2013, 02:10 PM
Maybe not controversial, but it sure did generate a lot of discussion:

http://net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19095&stc=1&d=1274471819

This card is never on Ebay, either. I've been watching for it.

Howe’s Hunter
10-14-2013, 02:38 PM
Which "this card"?

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 02:40 PM
What Ed...you don't know?

4815162342
10-14-2013, 03:46 PM
:confused: BSF E98s are on eBay quite frequently:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLACK-SWAMP-FIND-MORDECAI-MINER-BROWN-1910-E98-ORANGE-PSA-7-HIGHEST-GRADED-/141001232119?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item20d4540ef7

Cardboard Junkie
10-14-2013, 04:05 PM
You say this over and over again. How did you come to this conclusion?

Have you seen the cards? I, and many others have - they are 100% authentic.

Have you spoken to anyone in the family? I, and others have; this family is not on starvation, so money wasn't a huge motivator.

This is an Occam's razor situation: An old man owned a store and kept aside or just plain forgot a stack or two of baseball cards given to him to distribute to kids. It's that simple.

I must have missed something, what do I say over and over again? That the BSF is controversial? I came to that conclusion by observing the controversy surrounding them. Capish? (sp?) :) Dave.

the 'stache
10-14-2013, 04:37 PM
Which "this card"?

Ed, that's weird. My post included a picture of the card as an attachment. I'll try again, using a picture of it from the web (courtesy of vintagecardtraders.com)

http://www.vintagecardtraders.com/virtual/t202/t202-094.jpg

It's the T202 "Lord catches his man". There was a big debate about the center panel, and if that was Shoeless Joe Jackson pictured sliding into third.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124045

It's one of the more fascinating discussions I've seen since becoming a member. It's interesting watching the great minds of this forum work.

I happen to think it is Jackson. And since this discussion, this card has been noticeably difficult to spot on Ebay.

ullmandds
10-14-2013, 04:39 PM
agreed...def an interesting discussion...and a controversial card...just not a ton of interest in it...I don't think?!

Rob D.
10-14-2013, 04:44 PM
It's interesting watching the great minds of this forum work.

+1

HRBAKER
10-14-2013, 05:10 PM
+1

+1

rainier2004
10-15-2013, 10:05 AM
Maybe not now, but for a night back in February this card, I guess it was more the owner, was the talk of the neighborhood...