Adrian is selling his T206 MURR'Y

[Sean]

I see Adrian has lost interest in his T206 MURR'Y:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161097948779?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D1610979 48779%26_rdc%3D1


Does anyone remember what he paid for it?

[Bocabirdman]

I don't know that he ever said what, exactly, he paid but he referenced another example that went off at $4,763.45. He said he paid WAY less than that.:). Nice profit if he can get a fish on the line.

[iwantitiwinit]

Check out his description and all the instructions and requirements he puts on making payment and viewing the actual the card. Wants to sell a card for 12.5k yet can't post a picture of the card.

[ullmandds]

What a rube! So much for adrian keeping his cards forever?!

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Check out his description and all the instructions and requirements he puts on making payment and viewing the actual the card. Wants to sell a card for 12.5k yet can't post a picture of the card.

Bank is closed, can't take a picture. Why not wait until Tuesday to list the card? Or Monday, is Labor Day a holiday in Canada? Or break into the bank today!

[Paul S]

To my knowledge Adrian would never post his own images of his own cards on the forum. He had some sort of strange phobia about it.

[rainier2004]

To my knowledge Adrian would never post his own images of his own cards on the forum. He had some sort of strange phobia about it.

his camera was broke as he said...

[Jantz]

Sean

If you can tell me where he bought the Murr'y, I can tell you what he paid for it.


Jantz

[Peter_Spaeth]

A quick review of his recent bidding shows several major cards purchased that do not appear in his feedback, and two others that have sarcastic positives and have been relisted. His 100 percent feedback is certainly misleading. I would seriously recommend that anyone selling significant cards on ebay consider adding him (1952toppsmantle) to their blocked bidder list.

[ullmandds]

But pete, how is that possible...when good old adrian completes 99.6% of all his transactions?

Proof positive ebay's metrics have become a dismal failure!

[iwantitiwinit]

I was just thinking a bit could this entire situation with Adrian be some elaborate ruse. Could he not in fact own any of the cards he purported purchased. He comes on net54 causes a huge scene with the intent to make a large portion of the collecting community believe that he owns the cards. He then waits a modest amount of time and offers the cards. He doesn't post the cards he is going to sell only points the potential buyers to other sites where they can be viewed. He also has specific instructions about payment that are not the norm. Could he be trying to sell cards that he made high profile that he doesn't own. Boy that would be some preplanned swindle.

Could it be possible?

Just a thought.

[Peter_Spaeth]

But pete, how is that possible...when good old adrian completes 99.6% of all his transactions?

Proof positive ebay's metrics have become a dismal failure!

Since a seller who gets stiffed can't leave negative feedback, yeah, it can be just a bit misleading. :D

[botn]

Unless sellers are allowing him out of transactions, he should be getting hit with unpaid item strikes. Used to be 3 and you were suspended. I am sure he has far more than 3. I guess the customer can never be wrong.

[quinnsryche]

I was just thinking a bit could this entire situation with Adrian be some elaborate ruse. Could he not in fact own any of the cards he purported purchased. He comes on net54 causes a huge scene with the intent to make a large portion of the collecting community believe that he owns the cards. He then waits a modest amount of time and offers the cards. He doesn't post the cards he is going to sell only points the potential buyers to other sites where they can be viewed. He also has specific instructions about payment that are not the norm. Could he be trying to sell cards that he made high profile that he doesn't own. Boy that would be some preplanned swindle.

Could it be possible?

Just a thought.
He didn't seem smart enough to pull that off. Unless that was part of the ruse.
He came off too nutty and manic for it to be an act in my opinion. Just another whack job who unfortunately found this site.

[Sean1125]

This guy is a joke...

"***I will ONLY ship this card out once the funds have cleared in my account***"

Pretty much says I want to pull the money out of paypal before I even ship... This is direct advertising that you cannot return the card and are screwed if anything is wrong with the transaction.

He does not even picture his own card... What a sheister...

He is charging $12,500 for the card is still charging $125 shipping... What a joke, I'd love to see him in person to call him an idiot and slap him upside the head. This guy is an artist.

[nsaddict]

He recently purchased 2 Ruth strip cards and the seller accepted best offers on both. Now both relisted as he "changed his mind again" what a loser. But he did pay for a 2010 Upper Deck set and a pair of handcuffs??

[Pat R]

I see Adrian has lost interest in his T206 MURR'Y:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161097948779?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D1610979 48779%26_rdc%3D1


Does anyone remember what he paid for it?

He paid $3175.00 for it.

[Cardboard Junkie]

But the zone said, "I'll never sell the Murr'y card. Never ever ever never!!!" Adrians niece was supposed to inherit it from him eventually.:(Dave.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Over 12K and I don't think he even mentions the "paper loss" on the back!!

[calvindog]

This kid is a real scumbag. Doesn't even try to hide it.

[botn]

Makes me long for the good ol’ days in the hobby where guys were just trimming up cards, getting cards into holders that should never have graded, consignors shilling their auctions and sellers who knowingly look the other way.

[Sean]

Makes me long for the good ol’ days in the hobby where guys were just trimming up cards, getting cards into holders that should never have graded, consignors shilling their auctions and sellers who knowingly look the other way......or as I like to call it, yesterday.

[Bored5000]

Well, the $125 for shipping certainly seems more than fair. :rolleyes:

[Peter_Spaeth]

This kid is a real scumbag. Doesn't even try to hide it.

On the list of hobby scumbags he doesn't even make the top 100 now, does he?

[Cardboard Junkie]

On the list of hobby scumbags he doesn't even make the top 100 now, does he?

True

[calvindog]

On the list of hobby scumbags he doesn't even make the top 100 now, does he?

Certainly top 5 of most annoying, however.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Certainly top 5 of most annoying, however.

Well, he is now over the hills and far away from this forum.

[thehoodedcoder]

the price has been trimmed to a mere 6k and change.

for someone that had tons of cash it clearly seems like he is in a huge hurry to part with a card he said he would never sell.

i highly suspect that the card is not in a bank any where. not really sure what to make of it all.

i suspect that the price of the card is going to come down in the next day or so.

kevin

[cardsfan73]

"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."

[auggiedoggy]

Bank is closed, can't take a picture. Why not wait until Tuesday to list the card? Or Monday, is Labor Day a holiday in Canada? Or break into the bank today!

Yes, it is a holiday in Canada.

[auggiedoggy]

Well, the $125 for shipping certainly seems more than fair. :rolleyes:

I wonder if he allows local pickups? :D

He lives in Gatineau, Quebec and I live in Ottawa, Ontario. That would be like a Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario scenario. He's probably about a 30 minute or so drive from my place.

[the 'stache]

I see Adrian has lost interest in his T206 MURR'Y:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161097948779?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D1610979 48779%26_rdc%3D1


Does anyone remember what he paid for it?

But maybe Adrian wasn't selling his card. Remember when he listed his Mantles? He did it just to get pictures of them. He wasn't really selling them.

[thehoodedcoder]

How does one list something just to get pictures of them?

Can't you just google something if you want a picture of it?

Kevin

[Wite3]

It is back up...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161098767149?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25823c1b2d

[the 'stache]

How does one list something just to get pictures of them?

Can't you just google something if you want a picture of it?

Kevin

Beats the heck out of me, Kevin. I think his explanation was that he used the auctions to store the pictures. Apparently he'd never heard of Imageshack, or any of the other ten million sites that do that for free.

[wolf441]

He didn't seem smart enough to pull that off. Unless that was part of the ruse.
He came off too nutty and manic for it to be an act in my opinion. Just another whack job who unfortunately found this site.



I finally figured it out!! You are right, it was all a ruse. Adrian is Keyser Soze from Unusual Suspects!! "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.....and then...poof...he's gone."

[Deertick]

I finally figured it out!! You are right, it was all a ruse. Adrian is Keyser Soze from Unusual Suspects!! "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.....and then...poof...he's gone."

One of my favorite movies "The Usual Suspects".

"How do you shoot the Devil himself in the back? What if you miss?"

[frankbmd]

It is back up...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161098767149?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25823c1b2d

50% off:D, but still no break on the shipping charge:eek:. I think I'll wait.;)

[deucetwins]

After reading all of the posts in this thread, I get the feeling that everyone is kind of wax nostalgic for the Summer of Adrian. Leon, could you let him have user rights again just so he can respond to this thread? Everyone on here needs to have that last "summer fling". Messy divorces/breakups, name calling, threats, outlandish accusations, schemes, scams, tall tales and everyone's blood pressure spiking. Who needs TV when you can come on here and watch Adrian bring about chaos and mayhem?

And for $125 for shipping, I would want the card hand delivered by a Hooters waitress.

[frankbmd]

After reading all of the posts in this thread, I get the feeling that everyone is kind of wax nostalgic for the Summer of Adrian. Leon, could you let him have user rights again just so he can respond to this thread? Everyone on here needs to have that last "summer fling". Messy divorces/breakups, name calling, threats, outlandish accusations, schemes, scams, tall tales and everyone's blood pressure spiking. Who needs TV when you can come on here and watch Adrian bring about chaos and mayhem?

And for $125 for shipping, I would want the card hand delivered by a Hooters waitress.

For $125 I'd prefer cleavage delivery by a Hooters waitress.:D

[auggiedoggy]

For $125 I'd prefer cleavage delivery by a Hooters waitress
.:D

+2

[Sean]

After reading all of the posts in this thread, I get the feeling that everyone is kind of wax nostalgic for the Summer of Adrian. Leon, could you let him have user rights again just so he can respond to this thread? Everyone on here needs to have that last "summer fling". Messy divorces/breakups, name calling, threats, outlandish accusations, schemes, scams, tall tales and everyone's blood pressure spiking. Who needs TV when you can come on here and watch Adrian bring about chaos and mayhem?

And for $125 for shipping, I would want the card hand delivered by a Hooters waitress.

Maybe we should start a poll asking how many of us miss Adrian. :D

[Sean]

It is back up...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161098767149?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25823c1b2d

He's still using that line about how he can't post a picture of the actual card because today is a holiday. And he couldn't possibly wait until tomorrow to sell. :rolleyes:

[EvilKing00]

I know he said he only pays for 98% of the cards he wins auctions on, BUT whats the % of the cards he ships out that he sells???

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Maybe we should start a poll asking how many of us miss Adrian. :D

Would rather see a return from Peter C or Marshall B.arkman.

Comparatively, Adrian's noize wasn't really all that interesting. :)

[Leon]

Maybe we should start a poll asking how many of us miss Adrian. :D

Maybe a few...

post #8

[Cardboard Junkie]

Maybe a few...

post #8

Ha Ha ha! Took me a second to get it.......VERY funny! Dave.:D

[GoldenAge50s]

It is back up...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161098767149?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25823c1b2d


I think it's gone again!

[thehoodedcoder]

Sean

If you can tell me where he bought the Murr'y, I can tell you what he paid for it.


Jantz

he bought if from you...

kevin

[nsaddict]

He also listed his PSA4 52 Mantle, stating it should be a 5 or 6. And the auction will run for 3 days and if no buyers he'll keep it. He listed it and pulled it within 19 minutes. I say give him a 3 day pass to return here to answer questions on the thread :D

[brianp-beme]

Wait, hold a sec...it's back.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161099245685?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2582436875#ht_610wt_1399

Brian

[thehoodedcoder]

LOL.

that is the 3rd time.

kevin

[barrysloate]

Adrian's bipolar is kicking in.

[frankbmd]

I hope Ebay will comply with the 15 posts/card rule.

[JollyRoger]

Who in their right mind would even consider dealing with this guy after looking at this ebay listing?

[thehoodedcoder]

well the price is now down to 4500 bucks and has the actual card listed.

its still over priced. what would you value this card at?

kevin

[kcohen]

You peoples' Adrian compulsion borders on obsession, if not perversion. Just sayin'

[Paul S]

Ended. What do you think the error in the listing was? "FeDex"?:)

[BengoughingForAwhile]

well the price is now down to 4500 bucks and has the actual card listed.

its still over priced. what would you value this card at?

kevin

So much for waiting for the banks to open tomorrow to get a picture of the card! LOL

[Cardboard Junkie]

I would never consider purchasing this card. Paper loss is one of a few things I avoid, (trimming or holes are others). If it did not have paper loss and I really wanted or needed the card for my collection, I might go a grand for it. JMO Dave.

[thehoodedcoder]

desire to purchase is totally different than placing a value on an item.

given the paper loss, and past sales prices, what would you say the value of the item is?

kevin

[Cardboard Junkie]

I get it now.......in light of what you said....I think Zone91 way overpaid and the retail value of the card would be about 500. Dave.

[ullmandds]

Adrian overpaid for every card he ever purchased. He is an idiot...and I would never ever deal with him in any way shape or form!

[egbeachley]

When he purchased the card he was so over zealous that he didn't realize it was NOT a variation or even an error, but the result of a plate chip or whatever. When he found out he didn't like the card so much. That didn't stop him, however, from saying in his listing that it is a variation where the printers out in an extra apostrophe.

[Sean1125]

Down to 4500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T206-Red-Murray-error-Murry-only-4-known-Sweet-Caporal-SGC-10-/161099367394?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25824543e2

[frankbmd]

Personally I have added each listing for the card to My Watch List to keep his spirits up.:D

Why don't y'all do the same. It's free.;)

[arc2q]

The best is that the description says an SGC 10 sold this year for $3150 and that there are only 4 known - so clearly the one he is selling is this very card and he paid $3150 for it. The description actually advertises that you are getting ripped off over $1000 if you pay the BIN.

[PolarBear]

This thread is odd and confusing, although I admit, I don't understand the back story.

[D.P.Johnson]

Personally I have added each listing for the card to My Watch List to keep his spirits up.:D

Why don't y'all do the same. It's free.;)

Done...:)...

[deucetwins]

+2 on adding it to the watch list. Wonder who made the 2 offers?

[RCMcKenzie]

I don't understand the back story.

My understanding is that he was a coin collector who wanted to sell one of his coins and buy a 1952 Mantle. He was only here about 6 weeks, but posted over 1000 times, mostly about buying a 52 mantle.

[D.P.Johnson]

+2 on adding it to the watch list. Wonder who made the 2 offers?

His mom and sister...:)...

[DHogan]

$125.00 for shipping ?

[PolarBear]

My understanding is that he was a coin collector who wanted to sell one of his coins and buy a 1952 Mantle. He was only here about 6 weeks, but posted over 1000 times, mostly about buying a 52 mantle.

Thanks, but that just adds another layer of confusion. :confused:

[Cardboard Junkie]

His mom and sister...:)...

Okay, that accounts for one offer.:D

[D.P.Johnson]

Okay, that accounts for one offer.:D

LOL...Can't top that one...:)....

[Craig M]

I wish Adrian well and gets better soon!

I gave him advice in his final days here on how he can overcome his busy mind but he did not listen. Nobody can help Adrian; only Adrian can help himself.

With lots of rest, staying off of the internet, good nutrition, a good exercise plan and so forth; I believe that he can get better but he must commit himself to take care of his mind and body.

I believe he needs cards in his life because he probably is very lonely.

I hope he gets better!

Craig

[Deertick]

Thanks, but that just adds another layer of confusion. :confused:

Take a week or two to catch up :)

http://www.net54baseball.com/search.php?searchid=573550

[thehoodedcoder]

link is gone.

kevin

[PolarBear]

Take a week or two to catch up :)

http://www.net54baseball.com/search.php?searchid=573550


When I click on the link, it says "sorry no matches".

I'm in the twilight zone. :confused:

[frankbmd]

When I click on the link, it says "sorry no matches".

I'm in the twilight zone. :confused:

Without a Trace

[PolarBear]

Without a Trace



LOL. I don't know what that is either. I give up.

[the 'stache]

Personally I have added each listing for the card to My Watch List to keep his spirits up.:D

Why don't y'all do the same. It's free.;)

Done. He's going to think his card is hot sh__.

[Sean]

link is gone.

kevin

It's back up, and selling for $3275.00.

At this rate you can pick it up for $500 on Wednesday. :D

[D.P.Johnson]

It's back up, and selling for $3275.00.

At this rate you can pick it up for $500 on Wednesday. :D

LOL.
The guy is definitely a spazz...

[Runscott]

Adrian's bipolar is kicking in.

That's not what he has. It's kind of different....like a lot.

[Deertick]

Sorry, I tried to post a search of his threads. Search user Zone91. Here is a couple to get you started:

First post: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=165630

Thread limit: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167065

REA: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167292

52 Mantle: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167295

Red Murray: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167581

He pays most of the time: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167643

[the 'stache]

I'm still amused that he spent $12,950 on a PSA 4 '52 Topps Mantle, yet can't spend $200 to get a decent phone or a digital camera to take photos of the cards he's trying to sell on Ebay.

My enjoyment level here has skyrocketed since Adrian exited stage left.

[Leon]

Sorry, I tried to post a search of his threads. Search user Zone91. Here is a couple to get you started:

First post: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=165630

Thread limit: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167065

REA: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167292

52 Mantle: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167295

Red Murray: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167581

He pays most of the time: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167643

Without looking at each one I always liked the "I pay most of the times" comment. And that is the one that got him ousted from our BST, if I remember correctly. That just doesn't quite make the cut over there. :eek:

[4815162342]

As annoying as he was, I felt sorry for the guy and rooted for him to cash in on his coin sale. He just seemed to be an overzealous collector at first, which a lot of us can be at times. But then he went bonkers and started cursing out everyone in sight.

[barrysloate]

That's not what he has. It's kind of different....like a lot.

Whatever it is, he needs his medication.

[PolarBear]

Sorry, I tried to post a search of his threads. Search user Zone91. Here is a couple to get you started:

First post: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=165630

Thread limit: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167065

REA: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167292

52 Mantle: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167295

Red Murray: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167581

He pays most of the time: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167643


Sadly, that was somewhat entertaining.

So, did the guy really sell a 200k coin and buy a 52 Mantle?

I had a hard time separating fact from fiction in those threads.

[Howe’s Hunter]

I had a hard time separating fact from fiction ...

Think that was a lot of Adrian's problem also.

[christopher.herman]

Just lowered to a $2500.00 BIN right before he took it down again.

[thehoodedcoder]

And its gone again. Sold to the highest bidder.

[PolarBear]

It sold for something between $1200 and $1500. If you look at his "completed" auctions and sort by price, this one falls between a $1200 BIN and a $1500 BIN.

If he paid $3175 as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, he took a pretty good beating.

[bender07]

Sold for $1400. Ouch

[Paul S]

Yeah, well rent is usually due at this time of the month :(

[nsaddict]

He actually paid about 200 more because Adrian lives in Canada with the currency exchange. And if it sold for 1400 that's nearly a 2K loss?

[Forever Young]

He actually paid about 200 more because Adrian lives in Canada with the currency exchange. And if it sold for 1400 that's nearly a 2K loss?

damn... ouch. what did he pay for that mantle anyone know? he had that up too.

[conor912]

I wouldn't put it past him to pocket the cash and never ship. If he admittedly only pays for "most" of the cards he buys, what makes you think he doesn't only ship "most" of the cards he sells?

[nsaddict]

damn... ouch. what did he pay for that mantle anyone know? he had that up too.


http://tinyurl.com/lyzug8q

13,653 with currency exchange, was asking 15,350 but yanked after in 19 minutes???

[ctownboy]

IMHO, seeing as how he has mental problems and the attention span of a fly, this is why someone close to him needs to SERIOUSLY step in and get a guardian or conservator so as to stop him from frittering his money away.

David

[auggiedoggy]

That's not what he has. It's kind of different....like a lot.

I thought he said he had OCD. :confused:

[ullmandds]

Rob...maybe you and some of our other brothers up north can help Adrian with his issues?! Let us know how that turns out!

[VoodooChild]

Have any of you ever taken a $2,000+ loss, or if I've done my math right, around a 60% loss on a pre-war card before?

My biggest issue with Adrian (besides the obvious) was that he was an "Acquirer" and not a "Collector". He had no connection to baseball cards. Did any of you ever jump right into the hobby by purchasing rare and expensive cards without doing any research or having some sort of emotional connection to the player? Who drops that kind of cash on common card where there is no consensus within the hobby that it is even a "variation", especially with that kind of back damage, when they have no idea what they are doing? Unless you are a professional sports team owner, you can't take that risk. And if you do, I guess that's when 60% losses happen.

I only saw my dad get teary-eyed three times in my life - when he put my family dog down, when he dropped me off at the dorm for my first day of college, and when he talked about Roberto Clemente. I'm sure that is the reason for my Clemente collection. Like many of you, I started collecting in the early 80's. I would buy those "All Time Greats" cards and read baseball almanacs and record books. That's where I learned about Matty, Cobb, Hans, Three-Finger Brown, etc. I'm sure that is the reason for my pre-war card "obsession". Many of the board members here tried to convince Adrian to slow down, do some research, find a favorite player or team, but he did not listen. He just acquired a few rare, high priced cards with no rhyme or reason. I mean, I have a Bake McBride collection that I'm sure I cherish more than any cards he acquired.

That being said, he must have really needed the money and I wish him well. Hindsight being 20/20, he should have consigned the Murr'y to an established auction house right? Oh well, just thought I'd share my two cents on Adrian. I won't be posting anymore about him....promise.

- Ja$on Chri$$i$

[ullmandds]

i've taken a large loss on a vintage card...like 8K!:eek:

[4815162342]

i've taken a large loss on a vintage card...like 8K!:eek:

Ouch! What card?!

[ullmandds]

I prefer not to say! But his name starts with Louis!

You can't win em' all!!!!

[Paul S]

i've taken a large loss on a vintage card...like 8K!:eek:

Yeah, but didn't you make up for the loss by scrap metaling all those extracted gold and silver fillings? :D

[ullmandds]

ha ha...the last time I traded in all of my scrap metal...I WAS very pleasantly surprised. Perhaps by the end of my dental career I'll recoup the loss on lowdy!!!!

[Paul S]

ha ha...the last time I traded in all of my scrap metal...I WAS very pleasantly surprised. Perhaps by the end of my dental career I'll recoup the loss on lowdy!!!!

lol, you might consign with Adrian. You'll have a 99.6% chance of getting paid!

[ullmandds]

more like I'd have a 99.6% likelihood of having to hire a canadian lawyer to go after his idiotic A$$!

[Cardboard Junkie]

lol, you might consign with Adrian. You'll have a 99.6% chance of getting paid!

You might be on to something there.....Zone91 Auction House (where you get paid most of the time!)

[Paul S]

more like I'd have a 99.6% likelihood of having to hire a canadian lawyer to go after his idiotic A$$!

More like you should get the lawyer to accept 00.40% as a fee?

[ullmandds]

David...I think some existing auction houses have already coined that phrase!!!

[MVSNYC]

I took a $10K loss on a vintage card 5 years ago. it was something i consigned to a live auction, had $24K into a card, it sold for barely $14K...that hurt, but i've made it up in other deals.

[Jantz]

Hindsight being 20/20, he should have consigned the Murr'y to an established auction house right?

- Ja$on Chri$$i$

Ja$on

The card was consigned with an established auction house. The winning bidder (not Adrian) won the card for around $1600 (with juice).

Shortly after that Adrian shows up here posting up his purchase of the SGC 10 Murr'y that he bought for $3150.

Interesting how he either doesn't know or doesn't want to put in his Ebay auction description that the exact card he is selling sold for only $1600 earlier this year.

Jantz

[thehoodedcoder]

so here is the whole story now that it is basically over with and the card is in the mail:

i was the one who bought the card. he lowered the shipping to 25.00 so i was able to get it for 1425. this completes my collection of name variations...nodgrass, shappe, murr'y, dopner, cpiger

there was a reason why the price was so high on the shipping but i honestly don't remember what it was, but part of that was he wanted it to arrive at the buyer in a timely fashion as it can get held up in customs for a significant period of time sometimes. this is admiral but utlimately not needed to make the sale more attractive to purchases. we were able to work through it.

payment was made last night. the card was shipped today with tracking information as promised.

i spoke to adrian on the phone during the process. he did mention he had ocd but also said he is sound in mind when it comes to everything else. the reason he mentioned for wanting to sell the card is that he realized that he wasn't sure what he wanted to collect before, when he bought the card. he now has an interest in babe ruth cards. he wanted to take what he could for the card and roll it into some babe ruth cards.

i presume he was interested in taking a loss on the card because he was very interested in another purchase that he didn't want to wait for. at the end of the day i think his anxiousness hurt his wallet a little bit but ultimately it his money and his hobby. we all have jumped at a few cards and wiggled some cash to get what we want. in the end, i ended up getting an affordable and reasonable deal and he can buy his ruth card.

the guy does read the board and he basically said you were all "dicks" in not so many words because you are distorting and blowing up everything he said and did. he knows you guys are posting about him. he can read it but he has no way of responding to what you are posting.

he seemed like a nice guy under it all, even though he may have some issues.....but who doesn't. im certian everyone on this board has an issue with something in their life....in some capacity. there is no need to talk about a guy that has no way of responding back or may have some issues that are due to a medical condition.

for instance, if someone made fun of down syndrome people and you had a kid with that affliction....you probably wouldn't enjoy it to much. replace that concept with whatever you take personally.

for the sake of him, i would honestly just ask that you let the thread go....and move on to the next hot topic.

kevin

[the 'stache]

the guy does read the board and he basically said you were all "dicks" in not so many words because you are distorting and blowing up everything he said and did. he knows you guys are posting about him. he can read it but he has no way of responding to what you are posting.

Nothing is being distorted, or blown out of proportion. Nothing. The reason he has no way to respond to what is being posted is because he was banned after being given several chances by Leon to fly straight. He was given great advice by some very smart people, and he choose to ignore it. The fact that he is lurking on a forum where he is banned speaks volumes as to his psyche. He can't let it go.

He seemed like a nice guy under it all

Ted Bundy seemed like a great guy, too. Sometimes the worst people are the ones that seem most affable when they want something. But when things don't go their way, or somebody disagrees with them, they show their true colors. This is Adrian to a tee.


For instance, if someone made fun of down syndrome people and you had a kid with that affliction....you probably wouldn't enjoy it to much. replace that concept with whatever you take personally.


I do have a pretty serious medical condition. And how did Adrian speak to me once he found out about it?

the 'stache (you are the main reason I started this thread)

No need to say anything to you anymore now that I know God is taking care of you and that is enough to put a smile on my face!!! He is sure having fun with you....your body is his toy!!! Or maybe it is all the evil spirits inside you that are crippling your body either way I am sure the future for you will be one HELL of a ride!!!

Post # 12


the 'stache

Better my brain than your soul!!!! :eek:

The evil spirits are inside you crippling you!!! And guess what God could care less about you. I wonder how long before your are fully crippled....ah the justice of nature!!! You can be a as##ole with us humans but not with God....and you are paying the FULL price!!! You will soon be a crippled freak of nature....women will be all over you then....NOW that is absolutely FUNNY!!! You are like the freak in the exorcism of Emily Rose...with her back all messed up!!!

Wonder why God did this to you hmmmmmmm......oh yes because you are a asshole and a bad human!!! Can you say CRIPPLED FREAK 3 time in front of a mirror!!!

You want to play nasty I can play that game!!!

Post # 13



the 'stache

No this is the kind of guy that has had enough of your sh## and super bad attitude.....you pushed me to my limit and now you are getting a dose of what you serve to others. You laugh at me with my life now I am laughing at you and you want to cry wolf....bullsh## Leon is not stupid.

EVERYONE knows you are a FUC##R/AS##OLE!!!

Post # 14



You will learn to keep your stupid comments to yourself.

FU## YOU...AND I hope life keeps on giving more and more piles of shi#!!!

Oh poor you and your disease
I truly hope it does not come back bohoho so sad. :D


Clearly, we have all been blowing distorting and blowing things out of proportion. :rolleyes:

As one of the forum members that messaged me privately called it, Adrian's behavior was "despicable, disgraceful and disgusting."

He can't wish death on other members anymore. He can't make any more "I'm leaving" threads, followed in close proximity by the "all of you that are nasty to me, your end is coming" threads.

This place is so much better now that he's gone.

[cardsfan73]

While I wish nothing bad to anyone, those vile & hate filled comments that Adrian made are the reason he is no longer here and can't reply. They are also the reason I feel little sympathy for him.

[drcy]

My vote would be to drop this topic. It's a combination of beating a dead horse and repeating old gossip, and if he does have problems I'm not comfortable with it being chatted about on as a water cooler topic on a chat board.

I hope things work out for him. I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

[thehoodedcoder]

admittadly, i didn't read all of his posts.

i don't need to though, like i said....he clearly has some issues. you have never gotten mad and said things that you regret and didn't mean? of course you have. maybe he took it to the next level. ok. well then yea. he doesn't need to be on the board any more but continuing to harp on them in public forum is not going to help anything, especially him and his future endeavours and communication with others.

kevin

[ullmandds]

Kevin...hopefully you'll get you card...end of story.

That's really all that matters isn't it...that we "get" our cards?

It doesn't matter how corrupt the seller...how unstable...how many previous ethical/moral infractions...congrats on completing your...whatever it was subset of T206.

[Sean]

Kevin, I'm really glad for you that you got this card. I know you've really wanted it. :)

As for Adrian, I realize he can't respond to our comments, but I wonder why he still reads them. It just seems like an act of masochism on his part. And if saying that makes me a "dick" in his eyes, well I can live with that.

However, I will stop discussing him now.

[Ease]

That's really all that matters isn't it...that we "get" our cards?
:D, so true in most instances, stuff trumps all I guess...

[auggiedoggy]

Rob...maybe you and some of our other brothers up north can help Adrian with his issues?! Let us know how that turns out!

Ya, I'll get on that one right away. :rolleyes:

[thehoodedcoder]

:D, so true in most instances, stuff trumps all I guess...

i fail to see how me bringing to light the fact that he has shipped the card turned into me being greedy and only caring about the fact that i get my card ..... and how i probably shouldn't have bought the card from him because of his actions on this board, as if i need to join the ultra rightous johnny justice cause that seems to keep popping out all over the place.

i bought the card. it worked out. i reported the transaction and that it worked out.

low ground? why would you ever want to go that route? i simply stated it would probably be best to take the higher ground and let the Adrian bashing go, unless continuing to ridicule someone who has no recourse of response serves your higher needs of self amusement.

there are much more important things to discuss. or am i missing something?

[CMIZ5290]

Could we please just let this Adrian sh*t go away? I mean, enough is enough....

[Ease]

I'm glad you got your card Kevin and I hope you enjoy it. FWIW I'm actually very easily amused.

[cyseymour]

i fail to see how me bringing to light the fact that he has shipped the card turned into me being greedy and only caring about the fact that i get my card ..... and how i probably shouldn't have bought the card from him because of his actions on this board, as if i need to join the ultra rightous johnny justice cause that seems to keep popping out all over the place.


If it makes you feel any better, the "ultra-righteous johnny justice cause" thinks I'm a moron with character flaws who hangs with a bad crowd. So if you want, you can roll with me and the rest of the lying liars that make up my crew. We gonna be hangin and buying cards from people on imaginary blacklists.

[CMIZ5290]

If it makes you feel any better, the "ultra-righteous johnny justice cause" thinks I'm a moron with character flaws who hangs with a bad crowd. So if you want, you can roll with me and the rest of the lying liars that make up my crew. We gonna be hangin and buying cards from people on imaginary blacklists.

???

[Cardboard Junkie]

Well, this baseball card stuff is no fun until somebody starts crying.:(

[cyseymour]

???

Ahh.. it's from the other thread where they went berserk on me for questioning their blacklist idea.

Anyways, congrats to KQ on buying a nice card for a bargain price. I like that Murr'y card.

[RCMcKenzie]

...hangs with a bad crowd.
I thought they were talking about the FC board. Anyway good luck to Adrian. I would suggest that he consign cards to small auction houses to get the best return. As it was, I think he lost money on the buy price of the Murr'y. The final sale price was not bad considering the back damage.

[jcmtiger]

Kevin, I'm really glad for you that you got this card. I know you've really wanted it. :)

As for Adrian, I realize he can't respond to our comments, but I wonder why he still reads them. It just seems like an act of masochism on his part. And if saying that makes me a "dick" in his eyes, well I can live with that.

However, I will stop discussing him now.

He loves this board and misses the contact. I bought several cards on-line when I was on vacation in Florida one time. After I got home I ended up selling all of them. Don't really know if I lost or made money, but it was not a lot either way. Hope all is well with him.

Joe

[the 'stache]

He loves this board and misses the contact.

He has nobody to blame but himself for not being here. He was given several chances and blew every single one of them. Between the things he said to me publicly and privately, the things he said to other members (including wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth), refusing to pay for deals he made (and not grasping why that was a bad thing), and the pathological lying and excuse making, he doesn't deserve to be here. Membership on Net54 is a privilege, and members are supposed to be able to trust one another, and treat each other respectfully. Adrian, unfortunately, is incapable demonstrating the responsibility necessary to be trusted, and he's disrespectful of others at the drop of a hat. The fact that he spends any part of his life lurking here after he's been banned speaks volumes about the kind of person he is. He's a drama queen, and an attention whore. He'd go off on a forum member in some random discussion, and say he was leaving forever. Then he's start a whole new discussion announcing his imminent departure:

Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169148

He "quit", sat there reading all the comments from people saying he should take a break, or get some help, or just chill out. Then he came back. Then another month later, he made a thread threatening that all the people that were mean to him were going to "get it":

For all those that act nasty towards me...your end is coming!!!
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170958

Followed the next day by yet another "I'm leaving" thread:

How does one delete his profile I have enough of this place?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170959

I have no sympathy for him. None. People were tolerant of his issues, and were supportive of him, including myself. We all tried to befriend him. We put up with his spamming completely inappropriate posts and threads on the main board, until Leon had to put a post limit to him. Then he started to show his true colors. It takes a hell of a lot for me to not like somebody, but he managed to make me not like him. And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up. "He really misses this place, and he's a good guy that made a few mistakes". I'm sure he misses it, because here he could be the center of attention. The forum fed his narcissism.

People need to understand that he is not a good person. He is a spiteful human being. He can turn on the charm, and appear to be the nicest person you've ever talked to. It's an act. When somebody questions what he's done, he goes into full-on attack mode. It's predictable, and frightening the amount of joy he seems to get from the assault he wages on other members here.

When he buys a bunch of cards, and ends up not paying for them, it's always the government's fault for not giving him the money he's owed for medical, or somebody owes him money for a coin he sold. Or his 19 year old dog needed emergency surgery (who puts a 19 year old dog through emergency surgery? That's not fair to the animal). Or his job owes him money. Or his grandma is sick. He never accepts responsibility for anything. He says he has learned, but then he does the exact same thing again. Forum members (Leon included) tell him it is not ok to buy cards, and not pay for them. He then says he realizes what he did was wrong, using his OCD as an excuse why he didn't before, and he will try to change. Then, he backs out of a card that he bought, costing the seller $500. The next day, he buys $100 worth of cards instead of giving that $100 to the guy he just stiffed, and working out a plan for the rest. He then justifies it by saying the seller might be losing $500 now, but they'll get $1,000 from me in the future when I buy another card. That twisted rationalization is a clear indication that he's never going to get it.

And he uses the same excuses over and over. You could come up with a list of Adrianisms, and just sit back and wait for them to be played in order. Kevin just posted this recently:


i spoke to adrian on the phone during the process. he did mention he had ocd but also said he is sound in mind when it comes to everything else. the reason he mentioned for wanting to sell the card is that he realized that he wasn't sure what he wanted to collect before, when he bought the card. he now has an interest in babe ruth cards.

Same excuse he used back in May:


When I 1st started to collect baseball cards a few months ago I was very confused at what I was going to collect....now I know what my focuses are I will have a much better time knowing what I am doing and not doing.

I want to build the 52 Topps set (since I have the Mantle this makes it that much easier) so far I have 13 cards and 4 of those are nice looking high numbers and the other 9 are also nice looking for the grade (s);

I want to collect T206 cards (HOF players mostly and error cards)

and

I want to put together the most Mantle cards I can in PSA 8.


Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up. I get nervous when I see how "he misses the forum" because the next thing we know, somebody will be trying to bring him back. And that would be tragic.

[wolf441]

Hey Bill, a big +1.

I originally felt sorry for Adrian and his OCD condition (I have a family member with a similar problem, so I've seen how it can impact a person and his family). When I saw what he wrote about you and your medical issues, I lost all respect and any sympathy for him.

I come to this site because I love the hobby and enjoy reading the insights of all of our expert members. I also enjoy the interactions that I've had with all of the great folks that I've done deals with over the past year plus. There's no room here for a person who would wish harm or additional pain on another human being.

I'd also like to add that I believe there are at least one or two great members who have stopped posting (or greatly reduced their posts) because of all the drama when Zone91 was melting down.

[cyseymour]

Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up.

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

[4815162342]

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

Finally! +1

[ynnek4]

+1

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?



Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

[camlov2]

Ouch... I have to say that I have found stache to be a positive member who is truly trying to learn about the pre-war hobby. This thread aside I have looked forward to his posts.

[Cardboard Junkie]

I have made deals with Bill, and he is a great guy. 100% true to his word, and only concerned for the welfare of the hobby of collecting baseball cards. Yes, he may have a small start on prewar cards, but I know he is serious about them and his love for the hobby is greater than many who have collections valued in the hundreds of thousands or more. Bill IS a prewar card collector and he is not a Troll, and I don't think he is trying to be a tough guy. Dave. ps No place here for bullies!:mad:

[Texxxx]

It's sad that Adrain is still here hammering wedges between current board members.

[EvilKing00]

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?



Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

Pretty harsh dude - I personally like the 'stache a lot and love reading his posts. Not sure why the huge defense of some idiot banded member by you, and attacking a quality member telling him hes a troll. Really???

And now your counting his pre war cards???? come on man. Weather you have 1 or 10,000 or even none but looking to learn and begin collecting them, this is the place to be isn't it?

[Tao_Moko]

Wow man! You need to let it go and talk cards. Edited to add my name because this was apparently liable advice. Eric Sharp

He has nobody to blame but himself for not being here. He was given several chances and blew every single one of them. Between the things he said to me publicly and privately, the things he said to other members (including wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth), refusing to pay for deals he made (and not grasping why that was a bad thing), and the pathological lying and excuse making, he doesn't deserve to be here. Membership on Net54 is a privilege, and members are supposed to be able to trust one another, and treat each other respectfully. Adrian, unfortunately, is incapable demonstrating the responsibility necessary to be trusted, and he's disrespectful of others at the drop of a hat. The fact that he spends any part of his life lurking here after he's been banned speaks volumes about the kind of person he is. He's a drama queen, and an attention whore. He'd go off on a forum member in some random discussion, and say he was leaving forever. Then he's start a whole new discussion announcing his imminent departure:

Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169148

He "quit", sat there reading all the comments from people saying he should take a break, or get some help, or just chill out. Then he came back. Then another month later, he made a thread threatening that all the people that were mean to him were going to "get it":

For all those that act nasty towards me...your end is coming!!!
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170958

Followed the next day by yet another "I'm leaving" thread:

How does one delete his profile I have enough of this place?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170959

I have no sympathy for him. None. People were tolerant of his issues, and were supportive of him, including myself. We all tried to befriend him. We put up with his spamming completely inappropriate posts and threads on the main board, until Leon had to put a post limit to him. Then he started to show his true colors. It takes a hell of a lot for me to not like somebody, but he managed to make me not like him. And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up. "He really misses this place, and he's a good guy that made a few mistakes". I'm sure he misses it, because here he could be the center of attention. The forum fed his narcissism.

People need to understand that he is not a good person. He is a spiteful human being. He can turn on the charm, and appear to be the nicest person you've ever talked to. It's an act. When somebody questions what he's done, he goes into full-on attack mode. It's predictable, and frightening the amount of joy he seems to get from the assault he wages on other members here.

When he buys a bunch of cards, and ends up not paying for them, it's always the government's fault for not giving him the money he's owed for medical, or somebody owes him money for a coin he sold. Or his 19 year old dog needed emergency surgery (who puts a 19 year old dog through emergency surgery? That's not fair to the animal). Or his job owes him money. Or his grandma is sick. He never accepts responsibility for anything. He says he has learned, but then he does the exact same thing again. Forum members (Leon included) tell him it is not ok to buy cards, and not pay for them. He then says he realizes what he did was wrong, using his OCD as an excuse why he didn't before, and he will try to change. Then, he backs out of a card that he bought, costing the seller $500. The next day, he buys $100 worth of cards instead of giving that $100 to the guy he just stiffed, and working out a plan for the rest. He then justifies it by saying the seller might be losing $500 now, but they'll get $1,000 from me in the future when I buy another card. That twisted rationalization is a clear indication that he's never going to get it.

And he uses the same excuses over and over. You could come up with a list of Adrianisms, and just sit back and wait for them to be played in order. Kevin just posted this recently:



Same excuse he used back in May:



Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up. I get nervous when I see how "he misses the forum" because the next thing we know, somebody will be trying to bring him back. And that would be tragic.

[Paul S]

Wow man! You need to let it go and talk cards.

Very much agree.

And Bill, when you write, "And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up.", Well, you just did. (Me too, I guess).

Meanwhile, I'm returning back to my Yankees, who think they are going to mount a comeback at the Red Sox. The Bastids!

Here's a nice card to get the show on the road:

[the 'stache]

Hey Bill, a big +1.

I originally felt sorry for Adrian and his OCD condition (I have a family member with a similar problem, so I've seen how it can impact a person and his family). When I saw what he wrote about you and your medical issues, I lost all respect and any sympathy for him.

I come to this site because I love the hobby and enjoy reading the insights of all of our expert members. I also enjoy the interactions that I've had with all of the great folks that I've done deals with over the past year plus. There's no room here for a person who would wish harm or additional pain on another human being.

I'd also like to add that I believe there are at least one or two great members who have stopped posting (or greatly reduced their posts) because of all the drama when Zone91 was melting down.

Good afternoon, Steve.

I'm with you. As somebody that has been dealing with ADD my entire life (before anybody named it, diagnosed it, or even knew what the heck it was), I could empathize with what he was going through. ADD and OCD share some similar behavioral traits. I used to make my parents, and my teachers, nuts. Parent teacher conferences were always an event. It was always the same-"your son is so smart, but he's so talkative. Too much so. And when he starts a project, he starts off so strong, but then seems to lose interest. Or, he starts a project, works on it a while, then completely starts over".

I was such a perfectionist, and eventually in college, it got to the point where I would have a major project due, or a portfolio review (I was an ad art major before switching to political science and pre-law), and I'd scrap it the night before it was to be handed in, and start from scratch. That's not easy to deal with. It messed up my relationships with the girls I would date, and it really hurt my grades in school. So I understood some of the demons he was dealing with. But he took it way too far. When he started with the personal attacks, I just couldn't look past it. If he'd never made them, I'd still be sticking up for the guy.

I love this place. The knowledge that emanates from the virtual walls of Net54 alone would make this a favorite site. But it's the people here that make our little home truly special. And I don't think it's asking too much that everybody here be respectful of one another, even when they don't agree on something.

[CMIZ5290]

Wow, this Adrian stuff is just incredible. Here's a guy who has been banned from the board, but numerous and endless threads continue about him. Unbelievable....

[the 'stache]

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

What tough guy act? If anything, you seem to be the one that is getting confrontational here. You did it last night with Eric, who is one of the nicest people on this forum.

The only thing I have done regarding Adrian here is to bring up what he did to get booted off the forum, nothing more. I fail to see how doing so makes me a "tough guy" whatsoever. I would think that telling somebody else to get lost would constitute being a "tough guy", however.

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

What threads have I started about him???

Here are the topics, I have started since March (I will bold the topics having to do with pre-war):

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago)
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.)
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).
5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout au
6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auction
7. What is your most cherished piece, and why?
8. The all-time best of Net 54
9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out..
10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks)
11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war card
12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please?
13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby?
14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?
15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit?
16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster".
17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled
18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts?
19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster?
20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350?
21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR?
22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013?
23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for?
24. Do these flips look right to you?
25. Recommendations for a magnifying glass

Seems to me that a person taking even a quick look at the list of topics I've started over the last six months would see somebody learning about pre-war cards, educating myself about looking out for fake pre-war cards, etc. The only topic I started that had anything to do with a card from the 70s was #24, where I was looking for a new graded 1975 Topps Robin Yount, whom I collect.

So no, I'm not a "troll". Talk about making an assumption, and being completely wrong.

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

Yes, I do collect pre-war cards, and vintage, and modern cards, too. Unfortunately, I shattered my femur at the end of June, spent a month in the hospital fighting sepsis, and since coming home at the end of July, I've been doing physical therapy, and paying off my share of the $200,000 medical bill I ran up. So I haven't been buying any cards at all. I have new bills coming in daily, and before I spend money on my hobby, I am taking care of my responsibilities. So, I am sorry if my volume of pre-war card purchases do not meet your satisfaction, but I have bills to pay.

I've registered with REA so I could bid on some pre-war cards. I've been pretty open about the pre-war cards I want (T206 portrait Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth '33 Goudey, Lou Gehrig '34 Goudey, Nap Lajoie T206 with bat, Christy Matthewson T206 Dark Cap, Ty Cobb T206 bat on shoulder, T202 "Cobb Steals Third", T206 Willie Keeler portrait, I could go on...). I've been learning about pre-war cards, and if you've been paying attention to any of the posts I've made not related to Zone, you'd see that pretty much everything I've done since joining this forum has to do with my desire to build a really nice collection of players from the early days of the game. That doesn't mean I won't buy cards from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, because I will. I love Clemente, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Warren Spahn, etc, and I want to dabble in all sorts of different sets. I love the T206 set. I love the 1915 Cracker jack set. The 1953 Bowman Color set might be my favorite of all-time. I love the '58 Topps set, the '71 Topps set. I'm a big fan of the T202 set. I really like the T205 set. So, again, you are making a statement about me with zero knowledge of what I do. You've seen me making a few posts about Zone91, and made the quantum leap in logic to "well, you're a 70s card collecting internet-tough guy-troll that is trying to blacklist people". Jesus, if you knew anything about me (which clearly you do not), you'd laugh how completely ridiculous that is.

In fact, I think I ended my last post about Adrian asking forum members to let this topic go, as he was no longer a forum member, and couldn't defend himself.

And funny thing, in the last six months, I don't see a single thread I started about Zone91, though you are certain that I have. Another fabrication.

You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

Actually, if you go back and read some of my posts (the ones I make lying in bed with my casted/iced leg sticking up in the air...you know, when I'm not being a "tough guy"), you'd see a lot of the posts I make are about pre-war cards. As soon as the first few of the T206 cards I bought came in, I couldn't scan them quickly enough to get them in the virtual T206 collection thread. You'll see the three of my additions late in the discussion.

I talk about storing my baseball cards, using a lock box at the bank, or a safe at home. I talk about '33 Goudey cards. I talk with Ian about t202 cards. I try to welcome new members when I see them, or answer questions to help people out. Talking about Adrian makes up 0.005% of what I do on this forum, yet it's all you can see. Maybe you should open your eyes?

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector.

Again, you have no idea what I "am", so until you educate yourself, I'd appreciate it if you stopped making assumptions about who I am, what I like, or what I stand for. Because you are way off base.

You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

Now I have a vendetta? LOL. You're something else. I didn't start this topic. Before this, I've made 5 of the 147 posts in the discussion. And all I've done is remind people of what he did. When the "aw, Adrian isn't such a bad guy" meme comes out, I remind everybody of why he was booted. And I've had multiple people message me expressing their shock over just how bad he was.

Jamie, if you want to talk baseball, or about baseball cards, I would love to do so. That's why I came here. I don't have any vendetta against this guy. I have nothing against you. And again, I would appreciate it if we could just leave him in the past. There's far too many good things to talk about, and I hate wasting my time on negativity.

[Bored5000]

This is no defense of Adrian in any way. The guy deserved to be banned, and he was. I am not trying to be rude in any way. but at what point do some of you guys move on? Never?

The guy has already been banned. Rehashing every past thread he posted in doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose, IMO. :)

[the 'stache]

Yes, he may have a small start on prewar cards, but I know he is serious about them and his love for the hobby is greater than many who have collections valued in the hundreds of thousands or more. Bill IS a prewar card collector and he is not a Troll, and I don't think he is trying to be a tough guy. Dave. ps No place here for bullies!:mad:

Pretty harsh dude - I personally like the 'stache a lot and love reading his posts. Not sure why the huge defense of some idiot banded member by you, and attacking a quality member telling him hes a troll. Really???

And now your counting his pre war cards???? come on man. Weather you have 1 or 10,000 or even none but looking to learn and begin collecting them, this is the place to be isn't it?

This is why I am not buying pre-war baseball cards right now:

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/7913/7x5o.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img268/8291/uu7z.jpg

On the left is a picture of my left leg 15 minutes after breaking the fibula, and snapping my femur all the way through right above the knee, shattering the bone. On the right is an xray of the leg after my orthopedic surgeon finished 4.5 hours of surgery to reconstruct my leg.

I am busy paying off medical bills. Spending money on baseball cards takes a back seat to my responsibilities.

[Bored5000]

Wow, Bill. How did you break your tibia and fibula?

I have a titanium screw in my left leg after tearing my ACL, MCL and PCL in November 2011. I have never gone through anything that hurt like that, and the therapy following the ACL reconstruction was just brutal. It blows my mind that it is almost standard now to come back from torn ACLs and play again in the NFL or the NBA.

I had no idea how a torn ACL were replaced until it happened to me. It was shocking when the orthopaedist looked at my MRI and nonchalantly said he was would drill a hole in my tibia for my new ACL.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Whew! That's a nasty looking leg! 200K to put it back together seems like a bargain. Luckey for me I've never broken a bone. Hundreds of stitches though and lots of little burns. Dave. Reminded me of this: Was your fib an open fracture?

[the 'stache]

Wow, Bill. How did you break your tibia and fibula?

I have a titanium screw in my left leg after tearing my ACL, MCL and PCL in November 2011. I have never gone through anything that hurt like that, and the therapy following the ACL reconstruction was just brutal. It blows my mind that it is almost standard now to come back from torn ACLs and play again in the NFL or the NBA.

I had no idea how a torn ACL were replaced until it happened to me. It was shocking when the orthopaedist looked at my MRI and nonchalantly said he was would drill a hole in my tibia for my new ACL.

Hi Eddie.

I had ACL reconstruction in December of 2011, as I'd blown out my knee in college playing basketball. Well, over the years, the knee got progressively worse to the point where it started going out on me. And the last thing a guy on disability with a bad back needs is to fall. So, the orthopedic surgeon that fixed my knee in 1992 did an ACL reconstruct, using a cadaver ligament. About a week after the surgery, I fell asleep in the CPM machine used to stretch the ligament out. I woke up, jerked the leg badly, and got a stress fracture (as I was strapped into the machine). The screw you see in the lower part of the pic is a titanium screw for that rebuild.

As for this break, I was stepping over my black lab Brewster, who was sleeping on the landing of the stairs. I had socks on (which I never wear. I don't know why I did this time). Well, my foot slipped right off the edge of the landing, and I felt the entire knee go out. I came crashing down, and the left leg above the knee looked like it had an elbow. I knew I couldn't move, so we had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I thought I'd blown out the ligaments in my knee. When the emergency room attending physician showed me the xray of my leg, the femur was just destroyed. I almost threw up, I was so horrified. I was born with a congenital bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta, so I am susceptible to broken bones. But this one was bad, even for me. I had surgery to rebuild the leg the next day, and after I got out of post op, and upstairs to my room, I immediately started developing a fever. They couldn't find the cause, so they started me on some really powerful antibiotics. When they didn't work, the hospital's infectious disease doc said I was septic, and they began all sorts of tests, as well as chest x-rays, galium scans, ultrasound to look for blood clots, etc. I got shots in my abdomen to prevent clots. My vitals started getting better, so two weeks after surgery, they sent me to the rehab hospital. Within 24 hours, I was back at the first hospital by ambulance. My fever was 103, and my white blood cell count was over 19,000. So overall, a very long, unfun, and expensive stay.

I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now. :D

[the 'stache]

Whew! That's a nasty looking leg! 200K to put it back together seems like a bargain. Luckey for me I've never broken a bone. Hundreds of stitches though and lots of little burns. Dave. Reminded me of this: Was your fib an open fracture?

Yuck! :eek:

Nope, the fibula was a minor break. They didn't do any repair on it. If you look at the x-ray, you'll see it wasn't that bad. Look where the fibula meets the tibia. The fall was violent, so that's why it cracked. The femur was the really bad part.

The only open fracture I remember was in grade school. I broke my left wrist playing football (I lived in Wisconsin then), and I slipped on the ice throwing the nerf ball. The bone popped right through. It grossed the principal out something awful. I got another ambulance ride out of it.

You're lucky, don't break anything. It's not fun. I've had about 25 excluding toes and fingers.

[Cardboard Junkie]

"I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now." Bill

Psa or Sgc? What do you think you will grade?

[the 'stache]

"I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now." Bill

Psa or Sgc? What do you think you will grade?

Oh, I'm a low SGC grade, probably fair as far as technical grades go. But I still have some nice eye appeal. :D

[cyseymour]

What tough guy act? If anything, you seem to be the one that is getting confrontational here. You did it last night with Eric, who is one of the nicest people on this forum.

The only thing I have done regarding Adrian here is to bring up what he did to get booted off the forum, nothing more. I fail to see how doing so makes me a "tough guy" whatsoever. I would think that telling somebody else to get lost would constitute being a "tough guy", however.



What threads have I started about him???

Here are the topics, I have started since March (I will bold the topics having to do with pre-war):

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago)
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.)
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).
5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout au
6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auction
7. What is your most cherished piece, and why?
8. The all-time best of Net 54
9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out..
10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks)
11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war card
12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please?
13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby?
14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?
15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit?
16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster".
17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled
18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts?
19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster?
20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350?
21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR?
22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013?
23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for?
24. Do these flips look right to you?
25. Recommendations for a magnifying glass

Seems to me that a person taking even a quick look at the list of topics I've started over the last six months would see somebody learning about pre-war cards, educating myself about looking out for fake pre-war cards, etc. The only topic I started that had anything to do with a card from the 70s was #24, where I was looking for a new graded 1975 Topps Robin Yount, whom I collect.

So no, I'm not a "troll". Talk about making an assumption, and being completely wrong.



Yes, I do collect pre-war cards, and vintage, and modern cards, too. Unfortunately, I shattered my femur at the end of June, spent a month in the hospital fighting sepsis, and since coming home at the end of July, I've been doing physical therapy, and paying off my share of the $200,000 medical bill I ran up. So I haven't been buying any cards at all. I have new bills coming in daily, and before I spend money on my hobby, I am taking care of my responsibilities. So, I am sorry if my volume of pre-war card purchases do not meet your satisfaction, but I have bills to pay.

I've registered with REA so I could bid on some pre-war cards. I've been pretty open about the pre-war cards I want (T206 portrait Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth '33 Goudey, Lou Gehrig '34 Goudey, Nap Lajoie T206 with bat, Christy Matthewson T206 Dark Cap, Ty Cobb T206 bat on shoulder, T202 "Cobb Steals Third", T206 Willie Keeler portrait, I could go on...). I've been learning about pre-war cards, and if you've been paying attention to any of the posts I've made not related to Zone, you'd see that pretty much everything I've done since joining this forum has to do with my desire to build a really nice collection of players from the early days of the game. That doesn't mean I won't buy cards from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, because I will. I love Clemente, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Warren Spahn, etc, and I want to dabble in all sorts of different sets. I love the T206 set. I love the 1915 Cracker jack set. The 1953 Bowman Color set might be my favorite of all-time. I love the '58 Topps set, the '71 Topps set. I'm a big fan of the T202 set. I really like the T205 set. So, again, you are making a statement about me with zero knowledge of what I do. You've seen me making a few posts about Zone91, and made the quantum leap in logic to "well, you're a 70s card collecting internet-tough guy-troll that is trying to blacklist people". Jesus, if you knew anything about me (which clearly you do not), you'd laugh how completely ridiculous that is.

In fact, I think I ended my last post about Adrian asking forum members to let this topic go, as he was no longer a forum member, and couldn't defend himself.

And funny thing, in the last six months, I don't see a single thread I started about Zone91, though you are certain that I have. Another fabrication.



Actually, if you go back and read some of my posts (the ones I make lying in bed with my casted/iced leg sticking up in the air...you know, when I'm not being a "tough guy"), you'd see a lot of the posts I make are about pre-war cards. As soon as the first few of the T206 cards I bought came in, I couldn't scan them quickly enough to get them in the virtual T206 collection thread. You'll see the three of my additions late in the discussion.

I talk about storing my baseball cards, using a lock box at the bank, or a safe at home. I talk about '33 Goudey cards. I talk with Ian about t202 cards. I try to welcome new members when I see them, or answer questions to help people out. Talking about Adrian makes up 0.005% of what I do on this forum, yet it's all you can see. Maybe you should open your eyes?



Again, you have no idea what I "am", so until you educate yourself, I'd appreciate it if you stopped making assumptions about who I am, what I like, or what I stand for. Because you are way off base.



Now I have a vendetta? LOL. You're something else. I didn't start this topic. Before this, I've made 5 of the 147 posts in the discussion. And all I've done is remind people of what he did. When the "aw, Adrian isn't such a bad guy" meme comes out, I remind everybody of why he was booted. And I've had multiple people message me expressing their shock over just how bad he was.

Jamie, if you want to talk baseball, or about baseball cards, I would love to do so. That's why I came here. I don't have any vendetta against this guy. I have nothing against you. And again, I would appreciate it if we could just leave him in the past. There's far too many good things to talk about, and I hate wasting my time on negativity.

He has harped on and on about Adrian and posted endless links to old threads written by him. He said Adrian committed criminal acts when he hadn't. He claims he wrote the thread on making a blacklist simply because it "warranted conversation", when in fact he was heavily pumping the idea and offered to manage the blacklist himself, presumably so that he could gain control over it and the power associated with who would or wouldn't be on it (hint-Adrian). He wrote that the board should let the matter go, but only after, in the very same post, accusing Adrian of stealing from people in the future, even though Adrian has no history of stealing from anyone in the past and in fact just shipped out a card he sold. He also posted links to the very same Adrian threads that got everyone so upset in the first place. Those links and accusations are obviously so inflammatory that it isn't going to encourage anyone to let the matter go. Yet he claims he doesn't have a vendetta.

He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements.

As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff.

Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character?

[CMIZ5290]

Hope you guys don't mind, I'm going to start a new thread....."Adrian is laughing his ass off"

[Bored5000]

Hi Eddie.

I had ACL reconstruction in December of 2011, as I'd blown out my knee in college playing basketball. Well, over the years, the knee got progressively worse to the point where it started going out on me. And the last thing a guy on disability with a bad back needs is to fall. So, the orthopedic surgeon that fixed my knee in 1992 did an ACL reconstruct, using a cadaver ligament. About a week after the surgery, I fell asleep in the CPM machine used to stretch the ligament out. I woke up, jerked the leg badly, and got a stress fracture (as I was strapped into the machine). The screw you see in the lower part of the pic is a titanium screw for that rebuild.

As for this break, I was stepping over my black lab Brewster, who was sleeping on the landing of the stairs. I had socks on (which I never wear. I don't know why I did this time). Well, my foot slipped right off the edge of the landing, and I felt the entire knee go out. I came crashing down, and the left leg above the knee looked like it had an elbow. I knew I couldn't move, so we had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I thought I'd blown out the ligaments in my knee. When the emergency room attending physician showed me the xray of my leg, the femur was just destroyed. I almost threw up, I was so horrified. I was born with a congenital bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta, so I am susceptible to broken bones. But this one was bad, even for me. I had surgery to rebuild the leg the next day, and after I got out of post op, and upstairs to my room, I immediately started developing a fever. They couldn't find the cause, so they started me on some really powerful antibiotics. When they didn't work, the hospital's infectious disease doc said I was septic, and they began all sorts of tests, as well as chest x-rays, galium scans, ultrasound to look for blood clots, etc. I got shots in my abdomen to prevent clots. My vitals started getting better, so two weeks after surgery, they sent me to the rehab hospital. Within 24 hours, I was back at the first hospital by ambulance. My fever was 103, and my white blood cell count was over 19,000. So overall, a very long, unfun, and expensive stay.

I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now. :D

I also went with the cadaver ligament for my ACL reconstruction. I had done a ton of reading about torn ACLs when it happened to me, and I found a couple of really great online forums dedicated to recovering from ACL reconstructions.

My orthopaedist is also the ortho doctor for the AA baseball Reading (Pa.) Phillies and the ECHL's Reading Royals. He reccommended the cadaver ligament as opposed to a graft from my own hamstring because i was 38 years old at the time and didn't play any serious sports.

I never had a machine for stretching my ligament or even had the doctor/therapists suggest that to me. The online forums I found were very helpful for getting feedback as to what I was experiencing, although it was somewhat disconcerting to read multiple stories from people who tore their ACL (or multiple knee ligaments) playing high school or low level college sports, rehabbed like a fiend for 9-10 months, then tore the new ACL again on the first day of practice or something awful like that.

On my first doctor appointment following the ACL reconstruction, the doctor put my x-ray on the screen to show me his work. I wasn't really expecting that, or I would have averted my eyes. I didn't really want to see the screw in my leg. I know your most recent injury is worse than torn knee ligaments, but I went through several months of feeling like I was the unluckiest person in the world. :(

I wish you the best of luck with your latest injury. That really sounds like a terrible thing to experience. :(

[the 'stache]

He has harped on and on about Adrian and posted endless links to old threads written by him. He said Adrian committed criminal acts when he hadn't. He claims he wrote the thread on making a blacklist simply because it "warranted conversation", when in fact he was heavily pumping the idea and offered to manage the blacklist himself, presumably so that he could gain control over it and the power associated with who would or wouldn't be on it (hint-Adrian). He wrote that the board should let the matter go, but only after, in the very same post, accusing Adrian of stealing from people in the future, even though Adrian has no history of stealing from anyone in the past and in fact just shipped out a card he sold. He also posted links to the very same Adrian threads that got everyone so upset in the first place. Those links and accusations are obviously so inflammatory that it isn't going to encourage anyone to let the matter go. Yet he claims he doesn't have a vendetta.

He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements.

As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff.

Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character?

You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

[the 'stache]

I also went with the cadaver ligament for my ACL reconstruction. I had done a ton of reading about torn ACLs when it happened to me, and I found a couple of really great online forums dedicated to recovering from ACL reconstructions.

My orthopaedist is also the ortho doctor for the AA baseball Reading (Pa.) Phillies and the ECHL's Reading Royals. He reccommended the cadaver ligament as opposed to a graft from my own hamstring because i was 38 years old at the time and didn't play any serious sports.

I never had a machine for stretching my ligament or even had the doctor/therapists suggest that to me. The online forums I found were very helpful for getting feedback as to what I was experiencing, although it was somewhat disconcerting to read multiple stories from people who tore their ACL (or multiple knee ligaments) playing high school or low level college sports, rehabbed like a fiend for 9-10 months, then tore the new ACL again on the first day of practice or something awful like that.

On my first doctor appointment following the ACL reconstruction, the doctor put my x-ray on the screen to show me his work. I wasn't really expecting that, or I would have averted my eyes. I didn't really want to see the screw in my leg. I know your most recent injury is worse than torn knee ligaments, but I went through several months of feeling like I was the unluckiest person in the world. :(

I wish you the best of luck with your latest injury. That really sounds like a terrible thing to experience. :(

Thank you for the kind words, Eddie. I'm about to turn 42, and to be honest, I wish I had that machine again. I didn't get my full range of motion back after the ACL reconstruction (the stress fracture stopped my rehab cold. A month of bed rest caused me to lose all the gains I'd made), but I plan on getting there now. I can bend the knee to about 75 degrees currently, and I want to be able to touch my heel to my rear end. At least I slept without a brace for the first time in almost 11 weeks last night. Best night's sleep I've had since June 23rd!

I've been very lucky to have a wonderful family and a lot of great friends to help me through it. And this place has helped me pass the hours quite nicely. I've made a lot of new friends here that share my enthusiasm, and they've been very generous with their time, knowledge, and other things.

As for the x-ray, I'm used to seeing things that would freak most anybody else out. I've got a high pain threshold, and a tolerance for gore, for lack of a better word.

How is your knee doing now post rehab? Do you get soreness, or does it stiffen up at all when the weather changes?

[drcy]

I never had the feeling Stash was a troll, and still don't, though he definitely gets into certain topics :) i don't think one has to collect Pre-War cards to participate. Clearly, Stash is interested in baseball.

I already stated my feeling on the Adrian topic. At least at this time, I think it's a dead horse.

For the record, I don't consider Travis is a troll either. He just often takes the contrarian view, one that I often don't agree with. Being contrarian, opinionated or not taking my view doesn't make one a troll.

[the 'stache]

drcy,

I'm heavily into the vintage and pre-war cards, too, and if that's not apparent to some people now, it will be. It's completely natural for me because I collected as a kid, and learned about the history of the game at a young age as well. I am passionate about the game, and the hobby...all aspects of it.

The only reason I haven't bought them earlier is that I didn't know anything about them. The extent of my baseball card knowledge went back as far as 1952 Topps. I'd seen a few pictures of tobacco cards, and was intrigued, but I was really hesitant about buying them because I didn't want to spend my money on a card only to find out it was fake later. I have to have the knowledge before I will invest in anything, be it securities or a sports card. I think that it is wise because you protect yourself, and you also have the opportunity to learn what you like.

It's incredible to me these little things are over 100 years old. I think about the people that might have owned them before me. Kids that might have traded them. These are pieces of history, parts of Americana.

[Bpm0014]

the 'stache: For what it's worth, I never got the impression that you were a troll, and I've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

[EvilKing00]

the 'stache: For what it's worth, i never got the impression that you were a troll, and i've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

+714

[Jason]

Im not sure about the troll reference yet but with 30 plus posts in one day I would say Stache is at least a good candidate for the next member with a post limit.Im just saying.

[Bpm0014]

"+714". Nice reference...

[the 'stache]

the 'stache: For what it's worth, I never got the impression that you were a troll, and I've almost always found your threads/posts to be helpful, insightful, funny, and relevant. You also give off the impression that you are eager to learn and listen. I'm sure most members feel the same...

Thank you, Brendan. I appreciate it. It just blows my mind that anybody might think I'm on a power trip or something. I've always tried to be humble, helpful, and friendly.

[thehoodedcoder]

Holy... Freaking... Ka..Jesuses

[cyseymour]

You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.

I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that. No one can know your true motivations except you. But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.

And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

Someone can own a lot or a little amount of cards and still be a troll. Bruce Dorskind was a troll and he had a phenomenal collection. But it's possible for someone who is a troll to buy a few cards in order to claim they are a collector. I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier, and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll. My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

[EvilKing00]

Im not sure about the troll reference yet but with 30 plus posts in one day I would say you are at least a good candidate for the next member with a post limit.Im just saying.
Lol i 500 posts since 2009 and now all this?? Interesting

[EvilKing00]

"+714". Nice reference...

:D

[cyseymour]

This is only my fourth post today, so I imagine that Jason is referring to Bill with the 30 in a day reference. Incessant posting... another trolling characteristic. That, along with the inflammatory comments and off-topic threads make for a pretty strong case. Frankly, I think the EvilKing guy is also a troll.

Goodnight folks.

[EvilKing00]

Ahh still calling names and makin friends. Jesh at least andrew was entertaining, i have never posted anything good or bad in reference to anyone on this board, till your attack post before. Rarely have i seen anything like that and found it bullying, to call a guy a troll and tell him to go away. Well i said my peace , im just sick of the attacking, just makes no sense. To each his own.

[Bored5000]

How is your knee doing now post rehab? Do you get soreness, or does it stiffen up at all when the weather changes?

I don't notice any stiffness due to weather changes, but when I sit for a long time, my knee still swells up and gets stiff. My doctor told me the entire year of my recovery that my knee would get swollen for a long time. At the one year anniversary of my surgery, I was officially released by the doctor and he said that my knee might always get swollen. :(

For the most part, though, it feels fairly decent. It took me a good year and a half before I could go up and down steps reasonably. I bought a stability ball to use at home during my recovery and used that a ton during the first 6-9 months of my recovery, but steps were still a major issue for me.

[the 'stache]

I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.

And that's fine. I brought up somebody else's idea to see what other forum members felt, and it is clear they didn't think it was needed. I made my case why I thought it could be helpful, and others did the same thing. A bunch of adults made a bunch of good points, and in the end it was determined it wouldn't be needed. You were the one that took the whole thing a step further when you accused me of being on some power trip. It never entered my mind that somebody could even take what I was doing, and twist it so.

And what false allegations? I misspoke when I said what he did was criminal, and I said as much. You pointed out correctly that his actions were not criminal in the truest sense of the word, that if anything he would be liable in civil court. I agreed with you, and clarified what I meant by saying he was "criminal". What he's done is reprehensible, and I'm hardly the only person that feels that way. And still, you keep bring up these "false accusations". There's nothing false about them. In essence, he did steal from people. It's well documented, and indisputable. He promised to give these sellers money in exchange for goods (the baseball cards he bought), then he went back on his word. That's not the same as going into somebody's house and just taking what you want, which would be larceny, but it's still a pretty crappy thing to do, and something that he should be held accountable for.

Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that.

Actually, it has cut down on the number of thefts that have gone on at the sports card forums like SCF and Blowout Cards. The lists are specific to the forums, not Ebay, or Comc, or auction house sales. What I'd proposed, based on Pete's idea, was to create a list that would be all encompassing. The proposal was made, and deemed unnecessary. Again, I'm completely fine with it.

No one can know your true motivations except you.

You're absolutely right. But it didn't stop you from accusing me of being on some childish power play, did it? Or what was it, being a "vigilante".

But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.

Now who's making false allegations? Where did I ever say I would be in control of the list, or that Adrian would be on it? I said quite clearly that I would not be the one making those decisions. Leon, another site admin, or a moderator would make that determination. I would simply maintain the list on my website, nothing more. As they would give me a name to add, I would update it. And forum members could choose to utilize the list, or not. Nobody was being forced to make use of it.

Would Adrian be on the list? Quite possibly. Again, not my decision. Has he been kicked off this forum? Were his BST privileges taken away before being booted? Yes. Have multiple people come forward and stated that Adrian reneged on deals he made? Yes. So, would be be on that list, if it existed? What do you think?



I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier

And you don't? So far, you're only the second person I've had words with since I came here. And you also got into it with Eric yesterday, who I've never seen get confrontational with anybody else. Now, I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong. But is it mere coincidence that you've gotten into heated exchanges with two people in the last two days here? Maybe you're just a little part of the problem, too?

and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll.

Ok, here's the topic list again, copied and pasted. Let's see where all these off topic threads I'm starting are:

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago) A thread about baseball. Maybe off topic, but not really, as I tied in finding a store with old baseball cards. But I'll give you the benefit here.
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.) Not off topic, as the discussion was created about what could be done to improve the safety of the hobby
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.Not off topic, was done on the post 1980s baseball cards thread
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).Not off topic, talking about T206 reprint set
5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout auNot off topic, posted on the modern baseball card forum
6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auctionClearly not off topic
7. What is your most cherished piece, and why?Not off topic at all.
8. The all-time best of Net 54Slightly off topic as it could include a thread from any part of the forum.
9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out..Clearly not off topic, posted on the watercooler talk board.
10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks)Clearly not off topic, as I was looking for help protecting and storing a pre war card
11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war cardClearly not off topic
12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please?
13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby?Clearly not off topic
14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?Clearly not off topic
15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit? Not off topic, on the pre 1980 board
16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster".Clearly not off topic, talking about the T206 set
17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled.Clearly not off topic, asking about slabbed pre war cards.
18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts?Could be considered off topic
19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster? Not off topic, talking about T206 set.
20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350?Not off topic, on the postwar board
21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR?Off topic, but still talking about baseball
22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013? On the postwar board, so not off topic
23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for?post war board
24. Do these flips look right to you?post war board
25. Recommendations for a magnifying glasspost war board

So, where are all these off topic threads I'm making, hmm? Please enlighten me. Two, maybe three off topics in the last six months, and those were related to baseball, and indirectly related to the pre-war hobby. Sounds like once again you have no clue what you're talking about, just like last night when you thought Adrian was buying cards, paying for them, and returning them for a refund. No.



My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

Your view is wrong. Asked and already answered. I said quite clearly, and anybody who is able to comprehend English written out on a computer screen should be able to grasp what I am saying...the only reason that information was posted was the reason why I am not buying more cards right now. Understood? I don't need sympathy from a bunch of people online, nor am I seeking it.

[the 'stache]

This is only my fourth post today, so I imagine that Jason is referring to Bill with the 30 in a day reference. Incessant posting... another trolling characteristic. That, along with the inflammatory comments and off-topic threads make for a pretty strong case. Frankly, I think the EvilKing guy is also a troll.

Goodnight folks.

Seriously, just shut up with the trolling comment. I've been laid up since 9:30 this morning. Yes, I have posted a lot today, mostly because I had to respond to your stupid assertions. I've made 200 posts the last month, a little over 6.5 posts a day.

Again, where are the inflammatory comments? Nothing I've said is untrue.

Where are all these off-topic threads I've created? Look at my last post. I've made maybe three off topic threads in the last six months, and they've all dealt with baseball. Are we forbidden from talking about baseball, even if it deals with baseball cards, too?

[Bocabirdman]

Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

[cyseymour]

And what false allegations? In essence, he did steal from people. It's well documented, and indisputable.



Defintion "Steal": To take the property of another without right or permission.

No, Adrian never stole from anybody. In essence, or otherwise. It is a false allegation.

People can make their own judgments about the rest. I've written what I've had to say and that's it. Goodbye.

[frankbmd]

Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

Hear, Hear

or better yet

Hear! Hear!

[Sean1125]

ACL sucks I had mine done 1 year ago 1 week from today, exactly. Still go to therapy to strengthen 3-5 days a week. Used patellar tendon.... I was lucky I regained full range of motion within 2 months and was already in strengthening at about 3-4 months--- I was able to run at 5-6.... I suppose I will never be 100% as I still can only leg press about 1/8th what I used to be able to do but at least I can walk with little to no pain.

[thehoodedcoder]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh

[sam majors]

I saw a slightly obese octogenarian and a large dwarf sitting in a booth at "SQUINKS BAR AND GRILL". The one on the corner of Fifth and Fourth, not the other one that's been in the news lately. They were arguing about this thread. They were immediately arrested. Sam Majors :confused: :confused: :confused:

[the 'stache]

Against my better judgment, I shall post on this venom-spitting thread. This thread started out innocent enough with a comment regarding Adrian and his Murr'y. It should have totaled a dozen "Can you believe it? " posts and then fell to the archives. Instead, it has turned in to one of the worst threads that I have seen in my time here. Adrian was not THIS disruptive during HIS time here. I simply cannot believe the dogged stubbornness you guys are displaying in order to win a pissing contest regarding a subject that quite frankly nobody that I have talked to gives a hoot about. Adrian is gone. He messed with people and was banned. GET OVER IT! Nobody nor nothing is worth this many THOUSANDS of angry words. Feel free to trash me for injecting my opinion. :eek::):rolleyes:

You are absolutely right, Mike, and I apologize to the other members that have read this. I am out of this discussion once and for all.

[Rob D.]

Just couldn't let it continue to drop to the bottom, could you?

[Luke]

I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.



Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that. No one can know your true motivations except you. But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.



Someone can own a lot or a little amount of cards and still be a troll. Bruce Dorskind was a troll and he had a phenomenal collection. But it's possible for someone who is a troll to buy a few cards in order to claim they are a collector. I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier, and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll. My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

Fwiw, I've had the same thoughts about thestache ever since the Adrian saga ended. He went back and quoted the posts that Adrian directed against him, but failed to mention that he had essentially "started it" by jumping into a thread that didn't concern him to tell Adrian that Adrian's problems were nothing compared to his own. If troll isn't the correct term, attention whore sure is.