T205 Q&A open platform

[T205 GB]

I know we have quite a few 205 collectors on here. Does anyone have any questions or theories they want to ask or give. There are several very knowledgeable collectors and myself on this board that would love to talk about some 205's.

[Leon]

Hey Andrew
Nice thread. Any ideas on why we have only seen 1 hall of famer with a Hindu back? I think we went over this before (and I am not using the search function :)) but should there be a Cobb with Drum and/or Hindu back?

[T205 GB]

Leon that's a great question. Cobb is found with an AB green back. That's the toughest back for him. There unfortunately will not be a BL or Drum back. As far as HOFers with Hindus that's unknown.

All 205's that have AB green backs will not ever have a BL or Drum back making the AB green the toughest back for them. I posted a thread a while back with Drum and Hindu possibles and confirmed. Very intersting that the counts were about the same on both sides.

Pictures are always welcome of these cards (;);) Leon)

[Leon]

Hey Andrew
I will go back and look at that possibility list. I do have one observation though. You say the Cobb with AB back is tough but for some reason I see them pop up fairly often. Without even thinking about it I know of at least 3 that have sold fairly recently, including one I had? Here is a pic, shown a million times before, but still fits the thread.....

[T205 GB]

Only in the last few yrs have the AB Cobbs hit the market. I know of only less than 10 unique examples. I graded one recently that resides in a SGC 1.5 slab. I was gonna sell it but decided to keep it with my collection. That's the one Somerset Velvet had. I know REA had a grade 5 FS a few yrs back and Scott has one. I have seen a few more but that's it. There are fewer AB backed Cobbs than any other back found with his card, even the pied 42's. I was unaware you had one. Was it graded? You have a scan available?

[peterb69]

I have a T205 question.

I am still having difficulty determining between Broadleaf Black & Broadleaf Green backs. I'm trying to have at least 1 of every back in my collection, but I'm having a darn time distinquishing between these 2. It just might be my eyes however.

Can somebody post an example of each Broadleaf back side by side?

Thanks

[Leon]

Only in the last few yrs have the AB Cobbs hit the market. I know of only less than 10 unique examples. I graded one recently that resides in a SGC 1.5 slab. I was gonna sell it but decided to keep it with my collection. That's the one Somerset Velvet had. I know REA had a grade 5 FS a few yrs back and Scott has one. I have seen a few more but that's it. There are fewer AB backed Cobbs than any other back found with his card, even the pied 42's. I was unaware you had one. Was it graded? You have a scan available?

Here is the one I had.....I know Mckee had 2 for sale recently and there have been others. Actually, I have seen quite a few Cobb AB's in the past year or so. I bought this one raw off of ebay...in the last few years...

http://b-lauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=4030

[T205 GB]

Pete it's hard to tell from a scan even side by side. I would visit Ron Koranaki's site on t205's. it has one of the best and complete checklist out there. Use that to determine what card to buy for BL black and olive.

Leon I actually can't believe I forgot about that one and the ones Dan had. That still puts the AB as the toughest but not far behind the Pied 42. I am sure in a few yrs the Pied 42 will far surpass most in value other than BL, Drum, and Hindu even though it has some higher pop numbers

[barrysloate]

Is it the general consensus that the Hobby no stats is the toughest card in the set? Is the Wallace one line a close second?

[peterb69]

Hobby no stats is by far the hardest & most $$$$$.

Only card I do not have in my collection, wish I did just to make collection complete.

I'll let somebody else answer about the Wallace one line. I actually got my copy very early in my chase for this set.

[barrysloate]

Peter- among my favorite "hobby" stories is getting a consignment of an original card collection from a family, maybe about 150 cards, mostly T205 and T206, and among the group was a Hoblitzell no stats that graded out an SGC 40. Even more amazing, the family lived half a block from me, literally only four of five doors away!. That was the coolest part of it.

[itjclarke]

That still puts the AB as the toughest but not far behind the Pied 42. I am sure in a few yrs the Pied 42 will far surpass most in value other than BL, Drum, and Hindu even though it has some higher pop numbers

So you think P42s will increase in value/demand over time? I feel like I've read previously on the board that some players are much more common in P42, than others.. But would have no idea which players.

Re- Cobb, I am only now realizing this is his 2nd toughest back. I was lucky enough to pick up 2x P42 Cobbs off the BST a couple years ago.

[edhans]

Okay; three T205 threads in the first seven. There is clearly a monstrous conspiracy afoot to drag our collective attention away from T206s. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

[T205 GB]

Okay; three T205 threads in the first seven. There is clearly a monstrous conspiracy afoot to drag our collective attention away from T206s. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Stop being a hater Ed:D. Your over exaggerating anyways There are only two threads.

[z28jd]

I'll ask a question that I could probably look up. Tell me all you can about the Dots Miller B and D variations. Is it a recognized variation now, which is easier/harder, backs, price differential, anything else...go!

[Mrc32]

Here are both those variations. I don't think they are recognized by the grading companies.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mrc32/forsale//miller.jpg

[T205 GB]

Mike there is a D over B for Miller also.

As far a variation recognition grading companies don't recognize it, prices are normal for all 3 and I think there is about an even number of all 3 especially after nationals this yr. The D over B seemed tougher but I found quite a few examples this yr.

Barry I think the Hobby no stats is iconic to the set and hobby and is the most valuable by far in the set. There are 2 Variations that are significantly rarer but not commonly known nor recognized by most. One is the Collins closed mouth yellow elephant with only 5 known to my knowledge and found by Turner Engle, and the other is the Latham HLC back with period before A that I found a few yrs ago and has only 7 known to me. A few even have an upside down W faintly found before the period. Example shown here for you guys that haven't seen it.

[T205 GB]

So you think P42s will increase in value/demand over time? I feel like I've read previously on the board that some players are much more common in P42, than others.. But would have no idea which players.

Re- Cobb, I am only now realizing this is his 2nd toughest back. I was lucky enough to pick up 2x P42 Cobbs off the BST a couple years ago.

Yes they will and have already just about disappeared from collectors gathering them up. K White is a multi print in the 42's, as well as Phelps. What weird is players like Wolter, Brown, and Huggins that are found commonly on Drum, BL, and the common backs are scarce with Pied 42 and/or AB.

[EvilKing00]

So you think P42s will increase in value/demand over time? I feel like I've read previously on the board that some players are much more common in P42, than others.. But would have no idea which players.

Re- Cobb, I am only now realizing this is his 2nd toughest back. I was lucky enough to pick up 2x P42 Cobbs off the BST a couple years ago.

I totally agree that the pied 42 will increase a lot in value as IMO and from what I have seen they are pretty rare.

[EvilKing00]

Mike there is a D over B for Miller also.

As far a variation recognition grading companies don't recognize it, prices are normal for all 3 and I think there is about an even number of all 3 especially after nationals this yr. The D over B seemed tougher but I found quite a few examples this yr.

Barry I think the Hobby no stats is iconic to the set and hobby and is the most valuable by far in the set. There are 2 Variations that are significantly rarer but not commonly known nor recognized by most. One is the Collins closed mouth yellow elephant with only 5 known to my knowledge and found by Turner Engle, and the other is the Latham HLC back with period before A that I found a few yrs ago and has only 7 known to me. A few even have an upside down W faintly found before the period. Example shown here for you guys that haven't seen it.

D over B.... don't have that one and have never seen it, U have a scan? Interest is peeked lol

[obcbeatle]

Mike there is a D over B for Miller also.

As far a variation recognition grading companies don't recognize it, prices are normal for all 3 and I think there is about an even number of all 3 especially after nationals this yr. The D over B seemed tougher but I found quite a few examples this yr.

Barry I think the Hobby no stats is iconic to the set and hobby and is the most valuable by far in the set. There are 2 Variations that are significantly rarer but not commonly known nor recognized by most. One is the Collins closed mouth yellow elephant with only 5 known to my knowledge and found by Turner Engle, and the other is the Latham HLC back with period before A that I found a few yrs ago and has only 7 known to me. A few even have an upside down W faintly found before the period. Example shown here for you guys that haven't seen it.

Interesting ... so I have a silly A. Latham question. I have an SGC Polar Bear A. Latham On Back card that looks like it has a very, very light "W" printed before the "A. Latham". I'm probably just seeing things. But if not, I assume it's a common printing anomaly for A. Latham PB backs? I've attached two pics, but I'm not sure you can see what I'm talking about in the pics. It's very hard to see at certain angles. Anyway ... just curious.

http://ahomeplate.com/images/latham1.jpg

http://ahomeplate.com/images/latham2.jpg

[Tcards-Please]

Only in the last few yrs have the AB Cobbs hit the market. I know of only less than 10 unique examples. I graded one recently that resides in a SGC 1.5 slab. I was gonna sell it but decided to keep it with my collection. That's the one Somerset Velvet had. I know REA had a grade 5 FS a few yrs back and Scott has one. I have seen a few more but that's it. There are fewer AB backed Cobbs than any other back found with his card, even the pied 42's. I was unaware you had one. Was it graded? You have a scan available?

Andrew,

Great thread. Glad to see more talk on the T205s.

I too have an AB Cobb in my collection.

r/
Frank

[T205 GB]

Jerry to be honest I just don't see it there. Just looks like some blue ink on the card. Jmo

[obcbeatle]

Jerry to be honest I just don't see it there. Just looks like some blue ink on the card. Jmo

Hi Andrew ... yeah ... I think you're right ... just some stray blue ink maybe. At one angle it resembled part of a "W" I thought. Was just curious if all the Latham's, including the PB's, were supposed to get the "W.A" but the "W" didn't print because of a printing machine problem that made the "W" a weak press to the card(s) or missing ink color. Or maybe someone just tried to make a weak looking blue "W" on this card before sending to SGC :-) Anyway ... thanks for looking. Love these T-205's!

[Mrc32]

I'd be interested in seeing the D over B as well.

Unlike the Miller, I don't know about the Latham if it is a true variation. I have in my notes several other variations, that I have never seen but people mentioned over the years on this and other boards. Who knows how many are real and out there!?

[Mrc32]

At one angle it resembled part of a "W" I thought. Was just curious if all the Latham's, including the PB's, were supposed to get the "W.A" but the "W" didn't print because of a printing machine problem that made the "W" a weak press to the card(s) or missing ink color. Or maybe someone just tried to make a weak looking blue "W" on this card before sending to SGC :-) Anyway ... thanks for looking. Love these T-205's!

Jerry looking at the photo, I can see that.

For what it is worth, my A Latham is a Polar Bear back and doesn't have that mark at all.

[T205 GB]

I'd be interested in seeing the D over B as well.

Unlike the Miller, I don't know about the Latham if it is a true variation. I have in my notes several other variations, that I have never seen but people mentioned over the years on this and other boards. Who knows how many are real and out there!?

Marc I have 3 Latham HLC backs with the faint w upside down and 3 more with periods before A. All have the period before A also. Only one found without and it looks like an erasure was taken to it

[obcbeatle]

I totally agree that the pied 42 will increase a lot in value as IMO and from what I have seen they are pretty rare.

Would this hold true for T-206's as well? I thought I read somewhere that Piedmont 42's were a less common back in the T-206 set too, but I can't find where I read that, at the moment.

[T205 GB]

Would this hold true for T-206's as well? I thought I read somewhere that Piedmont 42's were a less common back in the T-206 set too, but I can't find where I read that, at the moment.

More of a collector created rarity as we are readily seeing in the 205 set. They were abundant in both sets at one time.