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67_Palmer
08-01-2013, 09:21 AM
Figured I'd start it off.

Nothing special, just set building stuff.

<img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5332/9414063689_8b5b0020a7.jpg" width="371" height="500" alt="70T_Gibson"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5493/9414063925_22fa598cd8.jpg" width="354" height="500" alt="57T_Maranda"><br>
<img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9414064167_c430f79cbe.jpg" width="363" height="500" alt="70T_LL_McNally"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/9414064427_d4694268e2.jpg" width="359" height="500" alt="80T_Brett"><br>
<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/9416830032_8284af2a9b.jpg" width="358" height="500" alt="75T_Powell">

ALR-bishop
08-01-2013, 10:45 AM
Nice cards. I really like that Gibson card. What would be a good caption for the Powell card ? :)

Cardboard Junkie
08-01-2013, 11:02 AM
Platoon

67_Palmer
08-01-2013, 03:58 PM
Haha, almost the exact same pose.

Bestdj777
08-02-2013, 07:53 PM
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/KGrHqZo4FHvb-gUQBR8dZveqIQ60_57_zps9d1d9203.jpg

brob28
08-03-2013, 05:42 PM
Nice cards everyone. For some reason I've always disliked that Brett card, I hate that profile picture, would have been so much better if the photographer would have called his name and snapped the photo when George looked over. Anyway, here's a few more for my '61 set. Trying to drown my sorrows at not making the National! Down to 39 to go to complete this bear!

ALR-bishop
08-03-2013, 06:52 PM
Very nice cards Bill

CW
08-03-2013, 07:49 PM
Nice cards. I really like that Gibson card. What would be a good caption for the Powell card ? :)

"I GOT IT! I GOT IT! Where the *%@& DID IT GO???!!!"

:D

Harliduck
08-03-2013, 08:06 PM
brob...great 61s...I wish I was needing only 39, I'm a little behind you and only have TWO high numbers...lol. It IS a beast, and I thought the 66s were bad.

Picked up this 65 Yaz...only need ONE more for the 1965 set...a Jim Hunter rookie (526)...fun being down to one. The Yaz is a little OC, but sharp non the less...


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1965-Topps-Carl-Yastrzemski-385-EX-/00/s/MTEyNFg4MjQ=/z/oYQAAOxyfS1R1cZp/$T2eC16VHJIQFHI,nvRCGBR1cZomltg~~60_57.JPG

brob28
08-03-2013, 09:24 PM
Thanks Al & John, I knew the High #'s were tough but they are by far the toughest of any set I've built. I'm down to 7 high #'s and can't be done with them soon enough, but I like to work on the tough sets, the chase is half the fun!

BTW - John, that's my fav. Yaz card!

the 'stache
08-03-2013, 11:59 PM
Nice cards, everybody!

ALR-bishop
08-04-2013, 08:13 AM
Yaz looks good. One to go is exciting. What's after that ?

SPMIDD
08-04-2013, 09:25 AM
brob28...that will be an awesome '61 set with the quality of cards you're buying. Nice pickups.

brob28
08-04-2013, 06:54 PM
brob28...that will be an awesome '61 set with the quality of cards you're buying. Nice pickups.

Thank you Sir! Trying to find some of these centered is proving to be a real challenge...

AMBST95
08-06-2013, 05:30 PM
Newest addition to my collection!

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b524/ambst95/Postwar%20Hall%20of%20Fame%20Rookie%20Card%20Colle ction/9A309A3F-D554-4BB3-86F4-27F7A2CF89E2-521-000000EC711D324C_zps38e7dc2a.jpg

Bestdj777
08-06-2013, 08:08 PM
I've been watching this for a while and finally pulled the trigger.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1954-All-Star-Picture-Pack-Mickey-Mantle-Very-Scarce-Issue-VG-PH-/00/s/MTM1MFg5Mzc=/$%28KGrHqFHJFQFBj+1fS%28eBQhGk-48Yg~~60_57.JPG

ALR-bishop
08-06-2013, 08:38 PM
Nice Chris

Great Bunning Adam

Bestdj777
08-06-2013, 08:47 PM
Nice Chris

Great Bunning Adam

Thanks Al! And agreed, beautiful card Adam.

DanP
08-07-2013, 05:34 AM
I've been watching this for a while and finally pulled the trigger.


Chris, really nice. Congratulations! Dan

MBMiller25
08-07-2013, 06:49 AM
Nice Mick and Bunning RC!

Adam, How much of that Post War HOF set do you have complete?

Bestdj777
08-07-2013, 08:43 PM
Chris, really nice. Congratulations! Dan

Thanks Dan! I love the 50s/60s Mantle Picture Packs. Such a great value for the price.

Exhibitman
08-08-2013, 07:30 AM
No idea what this is; about 3 x 4 photographic premium or team issue I guess:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1950%20Kiner%20photo.jpg

1965 Kahns:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1965%20Kahnqus%20Robinson.jpg

1969 Topps Super:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1969%20Topps%20Super%20Gibson.jpg

ALR-bishop
08-08-2013, 07:54 AM
Good ones Adam

AMBST95
08-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Nice Mick and Bunning RC!

Adam, How much of that Post War HOF set do you have complete?

Not much of the Postwar set really. I might have about 20 cards with several of them being the newer guys. I pickup a new card occasionally but it's not my focus right now. I'm more heavily invested in the prewar sets I'm working at.

brob28
08-08-2013, 08:33 PM
Great Kiner Adam.

Iwantmorecards77
08-09-2013, 12:24 PM
Latest addition to the rookie collection. Picked up from a fellow board member in a super-easy transaction!

Bestdj777
08-09-2013, 08:01 PM
Finally got it:
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/PhilliesMantle1_zps705727f2.jpg

http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/T2eC16FzUE9s38-QPVBR26GMOiw60_57_zps4519beed.jpg

itjclarke
08-10-2013, 04:58 AM
Feel lucky to have added both of these historical cards/players to my collection as both came by way of 2nd chance type offers.. thanks Brad (Pencil1974) and Mike Denaro.

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ALR-bishop
08-10-2013, 06:48 AM
Nice Ion. Did 2nd chances come due to buyer default or seller extras, or do you know. There have been threads about bogus 2nd offers on Pre war

itjclarke
08-10-2013, 12:56 PM
Nice Ion. Did 2nd chances come due to buyer default or seller extras, or do you know. There have been threads about bogus 2nd offers on Pre war

Thanks Al. Neither were formal 2nd chance offers via eBay, but more so nice email exchanges with the sellers. I actually started that 2nd chance thread a few months back, so am hyper sensitive toward those emails. Oddly enough, I haven't received an eBay 2nd chance since (real or fake). Both cards have arrived, though one is still at the post office waiting for me.

brob28
08-11-2013, 06:09 AM
A few more, down to 26 for the set.

67_Palmer
08-11-2013, 07:08 AM
Nice!

DanP
08-12-2013, 06:53 AM
Sold my Mantle RC last year, finally picked up another one.

Dan

bcbgcbrcb
08-12-2013, 07:55 AM
Nice pick-ups, Dan. Keen eye for centering on both........

MattyC
08-12-2013, 10:50 AM
Great Mantle RC! Gotta tell ya, centering on that particular card makes so much of its eye appeal, at least to my sense of aesthetics. I'd take that one over many others I've seen with higher grades, because centering is all over the place with that card, especially left to right. Congrats!

MattyC
08-14-2013, 07:04 PM
Finally grabbed one of these. My goal was always (1) nice L/R centering, (2) minimal tilt, and (3) as smooth back edges as can be expected, chipping wise. The backs of these can get so rugged with that black coloring. The back on this one is fantastic, will get a scan up...

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/rookie-cards/12445/1973-topps-mike-schmidt-rc

39special
08-14-2013, 07:38 PM
Finally grabbed one of these. My goal was always (1) nice L/R centering, (2) minimal tilt, and (3) as smooth back edges as can be expected, chipping wise. The backs of these can get so rugged with that black coloring. The back on this one is fantastic, will get a scan up...

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/rookie-cards/12445/1973-topps-mike-schmidt-rc

Matt that is great looking card.Awesome pickup!!!!

MattyC
08-14-2013, 08:35 PM
Thanks. That was FedEx, and now just checked the mail... The right edge is hiding a little behind the holder's inner lip but centering is money.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12446/1974-topps-mike-schmidt

paul
08-16-2013, 02:11 PM
My new favorite post-war card, a 1949-50 Acebo Ray Dandridge from Cuba.

varsitycollectibles
08-16-2013, 03:05 PM
No idea what this is; about 3 x 4 photographic premium or team issue I guess:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1950%20Kiner%20photo.jpg

1965 Kahns:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1965%20Kahnqus%20Robinson.jpg

1969 Topps Super:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1969%20Topps%20Super%20Gibson.jpg


Good lookin' Gibby.

bcbgcbrcb
08-16-2013, 04:08 PM
Wow, that's a near-perfect card, Paul. Great pick-up.

Vintageloz
08-16-2013, 09:03 PM
Just picked this up for my HOF rookie collection. Low grade but it will work for now....

Bestdj777
08-16-2013, 09:24 PM
Picked up this B&W Holiday Inn Dexter Press Postcard. I picked up the other two Dexter Press Mantles, and am working on a run of Mantle Holiday Inn Postcards, so it is nice to be able to finish out the Dexter Press trio while adding to the Holiday Inn set. Also grabbed two Mantle stadium issue postcards but having problems posting those.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MICKEY-MANTLE-on-POSTCARD-for-MICKEYS-HOLIDAY-INN-ROUTE-66-JOPLIN-MO-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMDQ3/z/HBoAAOxy9LxSDs4C/$%28KGrHqZ,!lIFI!DKhQZ6BSDs4BPEGg~~60_57.JPG

67_Palmer
08-16-2013, 11:19 PM
Some cards for my autograph/blog project.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/9490614510_2e824540d1_n.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/9488878932_2f7f2c055f_n.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7455/9488879080_d79e08ebbf_n.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2883/9488879390_c792d8212f.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5446/9486083827_da38d62656.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/9488879884_35d8fefa61.jpg

ALR-bishop
08-17-2013, 08:19 AM
67--I just picked up a 2nd Shea for my set. There are two versions. In one some blue ink is missing from the sky in the upper right. You can see several of both versions on ebay

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img593_zps7edf810f.jpg?t=1376687079

paul
08-18-2013, 01:20 PM
Wow, that's a near-perfect card, Paul. Great pick-up.

Thanks Phil.

Gobucsmagic74
08-18-2013, 09:42 PM
Same pose as 1953 Topps in which he's shown in Brooklyn cap. My first Canadian card. Lol!

MBMiller25
08-19-2013, 08:17 AM
Matty, Fantastic Schmidt RC and 2nd year. That's probably one of the best centered 74's I have ever seen.

I love the oddball Dexter Press Mantle, Frank Robinson Kahn's card (why is he so undervalued BTW?), Kiner 3 x 4.

Both of these showed up over the 5 days or so. I real pleased with both of these.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mbmiller25/baseball-post-war-hofers/12315/1954-topps-aaron-psa-8

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mbmiller25/baseball-post-war-hofers/12301/1954-topps-kaline-psa-8.5

CharleyBrown
08-19-2013, 08:54 AM
Matt, beautiful Kaline and Aaron!!

ALR-bishop
08-19-2013, 09:33 AM
Matt, beautiful Kaline and Aaron!!

+1

MattyC
08-19-2013, 02:58 PM
That Aaron is really a standout example; must be so tough for Mr. Kaline to stand next to him, lol!

Thanks re: that 74 Schmidt. As a centering/no tilt guy, that card has driven me nuts. Alas that one's the best I've come across.

pawpawdiv9
08-19-2013, 03:29 PM
totally a Homerun with the Hank and Kaline.
I been searching for a Hank, think i found one..but not as nice and centered as yours. The centering is a $%^&

MattyC
08-19-2013, 07:56 PM
Chris-- I feel you on how centering can be so annoying on Hanks; when I finally saw centering I liked, it was on a very surprising grade...

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/rookie-cards/11300/1954-topps-hank-aaron-rc

Funny thing was, once in hand, it hit my eye so pleasingly that I wound up saving a bundle from what I'd initially expected to drop. Of course that savings was immediately spent on cards.

vintagebaseballcardguy
08-19-2013, 08:10 PM
Beautiful Aaron! I have also noticed really good centering lately on a variety of vintage cards in the 4-6 range. These well-centered mid-grade cards represent the best buys in the hobby IMHO.

MattyC
08-19-2013, 08:24 PM
Beautiful Aaron! I have also noticed really good centering lately on a variety of vintage cards in the 4-6 range. These well-centered mid-grade cards represent the best buys in the hobby IMHO.

Could not agree more with that statement. Especially when putting cards in a permanent collection and not reselling, it's like finding treasure (or more cards!) when you expect to pay big for centering, and instead find it on a much less expensive card with say a rough corner. Was just able to pick up some nice 71s of Reggie and Ryan that way; PSA 7s but great centering.

Of course, if funds were infinite, I'd be begging Miller to sell me that Aaron 8 ;) Or at least his 71 Ryan. Or 56 Mick. The list could go on...

By the way, MBM, I'd bet that Aaron could bump to 8.5 pretty easily!

67_Palmer
08-19-2013, 09:08 PM
67--I just picked up a 2nd Shea for my set. There are two versions. In one some blue ink is missing from the sky in the upper right. You can see several of both versions on ebay

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img593_zps7edf810f.jpg?t=1376687079

Cool, I never noticed that.

Harliduck
08-20-2013, 12:24 AM
Great cards...those Aarons (my favorite card of all time) are simply AWESOME. The PSA 8, wow. Impressive. I was thinking of grading mine just to see what I would get, but after seeing that 4, I think I'll keep it raw...

Here are some recent 1955 pickups for my new set...all 4 came from a local shop who got some in. The Mays was cracked from a PSA 4 case...and after looking at that Aaron RC PSA 4, I think I would resubmit that Aaron. Wow.

http://i.onfinite.com/4hvmKQhBd.jpg

http://i.onfinite.com/DfKnKQhBd.jpg

http://i.onfinite.com/NclqKQhBd.jpg


The last card I got was this Jackie card...I have already upgraded this for my set but for the price I couldn't pass it up. I have already promised it to my super excited 8 year old, his first "real" Jackie card as he puts it. It was obviously stapled to the wall...but for $40...who wouldn't pass that up?? I would have frankly paid more...lol.

http://i.onfinite.com/SbSqKQhBd.jpg

Great centering and look at those corners...if only, right?? Still a great card of an American Hero.

itjclarke
08-20-2013, 12:57 AM
both of these showed up over the 5 days or so. I real pleased with both of these.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mbmiller25/baseball-post-war-hofers/12315/1954-topps-aaron-psa-8

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mbmiller25/baseball-post-war-hofers/12301/1954-topps-kaline-psa-8.5


wow!!!

h2oya311
08-20-2013, 05:56 AM
My new favorite post-war card, a 1949-50 Acebo Ray Dandridge from Cuba.

Nice pick-up Paul! I picked up the 45-46 Minoso and Ray Brown cards from the same seller. He had some beautiful Cuban cards w/ gorgeous fronts and nice centering.

I had my eye on your Dandridge...glad it went to another Net54er (w/ a killer HOF rookie collection)!!

AMBST95
08-20-2013, 09:33 AM
Some great pickups on this month everyone. I just received one more.

http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b524/ambst95/Postwar%20Hall%20of%20Fame%20Rookie%20Card%20Colle ction/1957Topps18DonDrysdalePSA8_zpsf333a0cc.jpg

ALR-bishop
08-20-2013, 09:46 AM
Very nice Adam. Great smile there on Don

MBMiller25
08-21-2013, 08:37 AM
Adam, That's one of the nicest Drysale rookies that I have ever seen. Where did you pick it up at?

MBMiller25
08-21-2013, 08:41 AM
By the way, MBM, I'd bet that Aaron could bump to 8.5 pretty easily!

I dont know Matty, I think PSA is pretty stringent on this card. There is also a very small little stain on the back of a card. I don't really care about it being in a 8 or 8.5 holder. I like the card, its what I was looking for in this card, so I am very pleased!

MattyC
08-21-2013, 09:58 AM
Well said, MBM. Once it is in a permanent collection, the grade and all that becomes irrelevant, compared to the joy we get from the card itself.

Bottom line is that it hits the eye like a mint card and thus makes it a really great pickup! Very crispy.

AMBST95
08-21-2013, 04:30 PM
Adam, That's one of the nicest Drysale rookies that I have ever seen. Where did you pick it up at?

4sc had one of their discounts going last week, so I pulled the trigger. There's a faint printers line going down the left side of the card, which probably held it back but I'm happy with how it presents.

Iwantmorecards77
08-23-2013, 10:04 PM
Latest addition to the HOF Rookie collection:

bcbgcbrcb
08-25-2013, 06:17 PM
I have not posted many lately but here are a couple of my pick-ups from earlier this month...........

pepis
08-25-2013, 06:51 PM
I have not posted many lately but here are a couple of my pick-ups from earlier this month...........
Good pick ups Phil,
both cards have a very nice eye-appeal regardless of the grades, specially that
Harmon is just a nice looking card.

Bestdj777
08-26-2013, 08:02 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Very-Rare-1968-Bazooka-Mickey-Mantle-Authentic-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/GJkAAOxySFJSG64O/$%28KGrHqZ,!rgFIHtGSveCBSG64N3Iug~~60_57.JPG

bcbgcbrcb
08-27-2013, 06:09 PM
A few more recent pick-ups............

MattyC
08-27-2013, 07:42 PM
Great Yaz, Hoot, Mick-- this Post War thread has got some life this month!

Landed one of my toughest centering targets of all time; had been holding out for a centered Carew at a good price forever.

I also learned a lesson I will keep in mind forever; saw the PSA 9 Winfield and took a flyer because the centering, color, and corners were so sweet, and the central image was clean. I saw the stray white PDs in the scan and figured I'd find a way to live with them. Lo and behold, I get it in hand, and those dots are so small and unobtrusive. Amazing how a blown-up scan can magnify and in effect overstate a card's flaws! I gotta keep in mind that in-hand certain aspects will look way different.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12718/1967-topps-rod-carew-rc

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12717/1965-topps-steve-carlton-rc

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12621/1971-topps-nolan-ryan

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12573/1971-topps-reggie-jackson

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12664/1972-topps-roberto-clemente-ia

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12622/1973-topps-thurman-munson

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/mattianc/my-collection/12610/1975-topps-dave-winfield

Bestdj777
08-27-2013, 09:11 PM
Great cards Matt! I especially love the Nolan Ryan.

Another pickup for me. Thanks to Chris (pawpaw) for finding this one and bringing it to my attention. Almost done with my team issue/premium photo run.

http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/T2eC16VkE9s4FsBSCYzOEg60_57_zpsfd890a7b.jpg

pawpawdiv9
08-28-2013, 10:12 AM
Dont i get a finders fee? JK. glad to help a fellow member out, wasnt sure what it was, and neither did the seller apparently. Other than it was a team issue, and i knew you had it on your want list.

Bestdj777
08-28-2013, 10:35 AM
Dont i get a finders fee? JK. glad to help a fellow member out, wasnt sure what it was, and neither did the seller apparently. Other than it was a team issue, and i knew you had it on your want list.

Haha, I will think about the finders fee. To be honest, I am not entirely sure what it is either. I saw another one that Mantle sent to a fan in 1967 in response to an autograph request, so I assume it was some sort of team, or personal, issue from 1966/67. I wish there was a resource for these team issue photos as I have a handful that I just cannot date.

novakjr
08-28-2013, 03:54 PM
I guess they come in bunches. A month + off, and suddenly a handful of HOF rookies seemingly fall into my lap. This being the lone post-war one so far. I would've been happy to leave the '55 Golden stamp as my Alston representative, but I'm not one to pass up a nice deal on a pre-rookie minor league issue, especially on a "type" that wasn't represented yet in my collection..

bcbgcbrcb
08-28-2013, 04:14 PM
Nice pick-up, Dave.

rsdill2
08-29-2013, 03:43 PM
Finished my '58 set (been needing the Mick for over a year), and put big dents into my '55 and '66 sets (all high #'s). Good month for me!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/rsdill2/augustpickups.jpg?t=1377812311

Bestdj777
08-29-2013, 06:52 PM
Glad to add these to the collection.

http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/T2eC16hHJHMFHyzflpBSFjMr2dQ60_57_zps529655be.jpg

http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p669/debonochris/T2eC16JEE9s2ufV3rBSFQ56IzDg60_57_zpsd1594427.jpg

h2oya311
08-29-2013, 08:35 PM
picked up some tough 1948 Philadelphia Bulletin Stand-Ups, including "rookie cards" of Richie Ashburn & Robin Roberts!!

<p align="left"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1948%20Ashburn.jpg">
<br /><b>Ashburn, Richie (2)</b>
<br />1948 Philadelphia Bulletin Stand-Ups</p>

<p align="left"><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1948%20Roberts_1.jpg">
<br /><b>Roberts, Robin (2)</b>
<br />1948 Philadelphia Bulletin Stand-Ups</p>

MBMiller25
08-30-2013, 05:29 AM
Wow, go away for a week and all hell breaks loose all over the boards, rookie pickups are going nuts, and ML auction last night was insane! I guess the hobby is riding high right now.

I don't know a lot of you here, but I love these oddball rookies everyone is picking up. Matty, great looking cards, strong eye appeal as usual. I love the looks of that Carew RC.

Congrats guys!

novakjr
08-30-2013, 08:58 AM
Derek. I love the Philadelphia Bulletins. Great pickups:D:D:mad::D:D

Sorry, had to add a :mad: there. I have to admit, I'm a bit envious.:D

7nohitter
08-30-2013, 02:43 PM
112203

bcbgcbrcb
09-06-2013, 07:42 PM
A couple of my most recent pick-ups............

ALR-bishop
09-07-2013, 06:50 AM
Phil--nice cards, but surely you are in violation of multiple forum protocols by posting these in the August pick up thread in September. The fact you may have bought them in August would seem to be a weak defense :)

bcbgcbrcb
09-07-2013, 07:53 AM
Sorry, my mistake, I meant to post them in the September Pick-Up thread :)

brob28
09-07-2013, 12:54 PM
Phil, I'll start a September pick up thread. You can show those fine pick-ups in it as well, therefore putting the Net54 universe back in balance. Maybe not, though there is certainly a rule against double-posting! :D