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t213

06-29-2013, 08:00 AM

This is a great set spanning a number of years, full of team changes and Federal Leaguers. I'll start off with the Gibsons and Dooins. Show yours.

Andy

Mikehealer

06-29-2013, 08:14 AM

Nice cards Andy. I like this set.

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/johnnyeverscards/johnnyeverscardssinglescans/large/T216%20Evers.jpg

buymycards

06-29-2013, 08:22 AM

This is a great set. Wish I had more. I am trying to learn more about this set but there isn't much info out there.

Rick

Leon

06-29-2013, 08:24 AM

This set reminds me of E92 in that there are several varieties. I like T216s quite a bit. These all came from the same grouping Goodwin was auctioning...

Mikehealer

06-29-2013, 09:00 AM

I like the thin type Kottons the best.

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/fortrade/websize/T216%20Tinker.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/fortrade/websize/T216%20Tinker%20back.jpg

buymycards

06-29-2013, 09:02 AM

The pop reports are interesting.

PSA only has one listing - 1911-16 Peoples. They don't have a separate listing for the different types, or for Kotton or Mino or VE. They show grades for 68 different cards with 145 total cards graded.

PSA only has one set in their registry. That set has 9 cards.

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SGC has a strange way of grading these:

Mino is listed as 1914, with 3 different players and a total of 4 cards graded.

VE is listed as 1914, with 1 card graded.

Peoples Tobacco is shown as 1914 with 7 players and 8 total cards. So, what are they? Kotton? Who knows.

Kotton is listed as 1911-16 with 63 different cards graded and 441 total cards.

SGC has 2 Kotton sets in their registry. One is 81% complete and the other is 3% complete. I wonder how many of each back type is in the set that is 81% complete.
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I haven't crossed checked the players from each grading company to see if they combine to show grades for all 74 cards plus the 30 variations that are listed in SCD.

SCD shows the same checklist of 74 cards plus 30 variations for Kotton, Mino, and VE. Has anyone ever seen all of these cards? It is hard for me to believe that all of these cards exist for Mino and VE. They probably don't exist for the thin paper Kotton cards either. Does anyone know if the full sets exist for all 3 types of Kotton backs?

Are there certain Kotton cards that only contain one type of back or do all of the cards come with each of the 3 backs.

Lots of questions about this set. I guess that is why I enjoy working on this set.

Rick

tedzan

06-29-2013, 09:11 AM

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/akottonchase.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bkottonchase.jpg

TED Z
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LOOKING for these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (portrait)
McGRAW (portrait-cap)....McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off)....WILTSE (portrait-cap)

obcmac

06-29-2013, 10:18 AM

Here are mine...the Cobb should look familiar Andy ;-)

Mac

t213

06-29-2013, 11:25 AM

Mac, I definitely want to trade for that Cobb back. Here's a Mino Marquard.

Andy

ullmandds

06-29-2013, 11:41 AM

I love the uniqueness of the louisianian issues with their melange of backs and tough team/league variations!

RCMcKenzie

06-29-2013, 11:49 AM

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Here's a low grade, (scrap?), Virginia Extra. These are hard to find.

scooter729

06-29-2013, 12:18 PM

Rough but it qualifies...

RCMcKenzie

06-29-2013, 02:04 PM

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Julz24

06-29-2013, 03:27 PM

I like the thin type Kottons the best.

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/fortrade/websize/T216%20Tinker.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/fortrade/websize/T216%20Tinker%20back.jpg

Man that card looks great, especially in that SGC holder!!

buymycards

06-29-2013, 05:31 PM

Pete, it is interesting that your Mino back is slabbed as a Kotton.

Rick

ullmandds

06-29-2013, 05:33 PM

If by interesting you mean disconcerting and lame...i agree!

buymycards

06-29-2013, 05:39 PM

Yes, I was trying to be positive and not bash SGC. It is really lame when we depend on the grading companies to get it right but they don't have a clue when it comes to some of the more obscure issues. I'll bet they do just fine with the 2011 blue refractors #'d to 100 parallel insert autographed game used 3 color patch card.

Mikehealer

06-29-2013, 06:09 PM

Thanks Miguel.

Pete that is a great looking Mino. Nice Crawford too.

gabrinus

06-29-2013, 08:44 PM

Here is a Virginia Extra Davis....

Bosox Blair

06-30-2013, 12:14 AM

Love these cards! Here's my little group:

Tao_Moko

06-30-2013, 04:47 AM

104953

calvindog

06-30-2013, 05:10 AM

Leon

06-30-2013, 08:03 AM

even more scarce....

Leon

07-03-2013, 07:33 AM

The pop reports are interesting.

PSA only has one listing - 1911-16 Peoples. They don't have a separate listing for the different types, or for Kotton or Mino or VE. They show grades for 68 different cards with 145 total cards graded.

PSA only has one set in their registry. That set has 9 cards.

__________________________________________________ _____________

SGC has a strange way of grading these:

Mino is listed as 1914, with 3 different players and a total of 4 cards graded.

VE is listed as 1914, with 1 card graded.

Peoples Tobacco is shown as 1914 with 7 players and 8 total cards. So, what are they? Kotton? Who knows.

Kotton is listed as 1911-16 with 63 different cards graded and 441 total cards.

SGC has 2 Kotton sets in their registry. One is 81% complete and the other is 3% complete. I wonder how many of each back type is in the set that is 81% complete.
__________________________________________________ _______________

I haven't crossed checked the players from each grading company to see if they combine to show grades for all 74 cards plus the 30 variations that are listed in SCD.

SCD shows the same checklist of 74 cards plus 30 variations for Kotton, Mino, and VE. Has anyone ever seen all of these cards? It is hard for me to believe that all of these cards exist for Mino and VE. They probably don't exist for the thin paper Kotton cards either. Does anyone know if the full sets exist for all 3 types of Kotton backs?

Are there certain Kotton cards that only contain one type of back or do all of the cards come with each of the 3 backs.

Lots of questions about this set. I guess that is why I enjoy working on this set.

Rick

These might not bode well for the SGC information as all four are in numerical SGC holders....
And for them to put "thin stock" on the flip is a bit unnecessary as there are no others, other than thin stock. They really should have saved that caveat for the T216-3 Kottons....IMO the VE's are much more scarce than the other T216s.

http://luckeycards.com/pt216MASTERX4.jpg

buymycards

07-03-2013, 05:54 PM

Wow, 4 VE's? That is amazing!

Rick

Bridwell

07-05-2013, 03:49 PM

Here's my sample. It seems extremely tough to find these in VG-EX or better condition. Anybody have one in EX+ to show off?

ullmandds

07-05-2013, 03:59 PM

Bruce?

Seiklis

07-05-2013, 04:01 PM

Since he's finally here

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=466&pictureid=11570http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=466&pictureid=11571

Great cards everyone

shammus

07-23-2013, 08:03 PM

Sorry to arrive so late on this...just got my t216s today. Really like this Wiltse though - bright colors, blank backed, oversized borders and definitely handcut.... kind of a neat card!

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pete zouras

07-23-2013, 08:15 PM

Reading Pa show purchase.
<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/zouraspm/media/t216typef.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/t216typef.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo t216typef.jpg"/></a>

tiger8mush

07-23-2013, 08:45 PM

wow, some beauts in this thread! Here's my lone poor common example of a T216 ...

Leon

07-23-2013, 10:24 PM

a few more...

http://luckeycards.com/pt216kottonmaster.jpg

honus94566

07-24-2013, 10:23 AM

That's a nice Cobb.

I love me some T216's. I don't have very many, but the few I have are among my favorite cards:

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/wagfront.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/honus94566/media/wagfront.jpg.html)
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/wagback.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/honus94566/media/wagback.jpg.html)

http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/bendfront.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/honus94566/media/bendfront.jpg.html)
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/bendback.jpg (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/honus94566/media/bendback.jpg.html)

brass_rat

11-13-2015, 08:29 PM

I thought I'd revive this nice little thread -- I really enjoyed looking at everyone's cards.

Here's my Matty.

Cheers,
Steve

CW

11-13-2015, 09:29 PM

Awesome card with which to revive it, Steve.

ValKehl

11-13-2015, 11:12 PM

I was thrilled to win the card I wanted most in Leon's auction - this Virginia Extra of Jennings to go with these Kotton and Mino cards of Jennings that I already had. Now, I'm looking for Jennings with the other Kotton back variations, assuming they exist.
Val

Stetson_1883

11-14-2015, 12:43 AM

Maaan, I want one!

Leon

11-14-2015, 05:55 AM

Nice pick up Val....

I was thrilled to win the card I wanted most in Leon's auction - this Virginia Extra of Jennings to go with these Kotton and Mino cards of Jennings that I already had. Now, I'm looking for Jennings with the other Kotton back variations, assuming they exist.
Val

brass_rat

11-14-2015, 12:38 PM

Thanks, Chuck -- the Matty is definitely a favorite!

Val -- beautiful trio!

Here are two more of mine...Plank with lipstick and Wags...

Cheers,
Steve

CW

11-14-2015, 01:05 PM

Dos for me. I picked up the Speaker over 13 yrs ago, and it was one of the first prewar cards I ever purchased. At the time, I knew nothing about T216 -- I just fell for the image and had to have it.

brass_rat

11-14-2015, 01:08 PM

That Speaker is awesome, Chuck!!

gabrinus

11-14-2015, 01:43 PM

Those are all awesome Chuck, Steve, and Val!!....Here's A Virginia Extra....

ValKehl

11-14-2015, 04:18 PM

Leon, Steve & Jerry, thanks for the kind words re my Jennings trifecta. To me, all the T216s presented in this thread are fantastic - congrats to all who have them in their collections! Here are my other two T216 Kotton back-variation type cards, which I'll look to part with if I can ever acquire Jennings with these two back variations. If anyone has one, I'd love to see it, just to confirm its existence.
Val

CW

11-14-2015, 10:53 PM

Thanks Steve and Jerry. Pretty crazy to think Blair has two Speakers as well! :)

edjs

11-14-2015, 11:31 PM

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MMarvelli

11-15-2015, 03:33 AM

Just need a blank back...

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Yoda

11-15-2015, 05:08 AM

Does anybody know if there might be a Tyrus with a Mino or Virginia Extra reverse anywhere in circulation?

x2drich2000

11-15-2015, 06:11 AM

Yoda, there are at least two Mino Cobbs.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/mobile/lotdetail.aspx?inventoryid=125319&seo=1914_t216_mino_cigarettes_ty_cobb___sgc_10_pr_ 1

http://legendaryauctions.com/mobile/lotdetail.aspx?inventoryid=39098

If anyone has an extra Young they may be interested in letting go, I may be interested. :D

DJ

t213

11-15-2015, 06:36 AM

Here's a Mino Marquard I own.

Andy

ullmandds

11-15-2015, 07:02 AM

great cards everyone!!!!! so who is harboring the t216 kotton dots miller w/glove cards??????

ullmandds

11-15-2015, 07:05 AM

and sam

brass_rat

11-15-2015, 10:04 AM

great cards everyone!!!!! so who is harboring the t216 kotton dots miller w/glove cards??????

Not me, but here are a few...it's too bad that the Heritage one doesn't have the "make an offer" available. Maybe one of these other houses would pass along an offer to the winner(s) for you...

Cheers,
Steve

http://www.goodwinandco.com/1911_16_kotton_cigarettes_t216_dots_miller_pittsbu-lot16984.aspx

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1911-16-t216-kotton-cigarettes-dots-miller-sgc-30-good-2/a/49024-44009.s

http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-9946.aspx

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/extremely-rare-1911-16-t216-%22mino%22-cigarettes-sgc-graded-collection-(10-different)-including-hall-of-lot109928.aspx

Leon

11-15-2015, 10:56 AM

You guys haven't seen the last of me on adding a great T216 to my (new) collection when the time is right!! Thanks for sharing guys. BTW, would love to see a Cobb Virginia Extra but never have.

ullmandds

11-15-2015, 10:58 AM

thanks steve...don't know how I missed some of those...I must have been chasing something/someone else?!?!

Zeenut

11-16-2015, 05:48 PM

This is the only one I have left... one of my favorite issues.

trdcrdkid

11-16-2015, 09:51 PM

Here are my two T216s, Tinker and Bridwell, adjacent to each other in the album page that has been their home for many years.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_19.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpg

Bosox Blair

11-16-2015, 11:12 PM

Thanks Steve and Jerry. Pretty crazy to think Blair has two Speakers as well! :)

Hi Chuck,

That is a great Speaker you have there! I got the Kotton Speaker first and then the MINO came up...had to have it too :D.

And I love the fantastic cards shown by everyone in this thread!

Cheers,
Blair

brianp-beme

11-17-2015, 02:08 AM

Nice cards everyone. Now here is one not so nice. This one closed out an 'ugliest card'' thread a couple of years back...no one had the heart to post after me.

Brian

phlflyer1

11-18-2015, 05:53 PM

Great cards all!

The Gibson doesn't fit my Philadelphia themed type collection and I'm missing one of the Kotton backs but I'm happy to have the following examples.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Kotton_Gibson_Front_zpszqd5xlzj.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Kotton_Gibson_Front_zpszqd5xlzj.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Kotton_Gibson_Back_zpsdiolrzu1.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Kotton_Gibson_Back_zpsdiolrzu1.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Kotton_Hartsel_Front_zps5tsvvjyx.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Kotton_Hartsel_Front_zps5tsvvjyx.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Kotton_Hartsel_Back_zps3jkixouq.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Kotton_Hartsel_Back_zps3jkixouq.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Mino_Barry_Front_zpsgr3wbles.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Mino_Barry_Front_zpsgr3wbles.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Mino_Barry_Back_zpsbnii1ba7.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Mino_Barry_Back_zpsbnii1ba7.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Virginia_Extra_Hartsel_Front_zps0mdut5od.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Virginia_Extra_Hartsel_Front_zps0mdut5od.jpg. html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag169/phlflyer1/T216_Virginia_Extra_Hartsel_Back_zpsk7jlv28n.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/phlflyer1/media/T216_Virginia_Extra_Hartsel_Back_zpsk7jlv28n.jpg.h tml)

brass_rat

11-19-2015, 07:24 PM

Great cards, Scott - I like that Virginia Extra!

Cheers,
Steve

brass_rat

11-19-2015, 07:26 PM

Nice cards everyone. Now here is one not so nice. This one closed out an 'ugliest card'' thread a couple of years back...no one had the heart to post after me.

Brian

I'm glad you added the anecdote...every card needs a little love...

darwinbulldog

11-20-2015, 09:01 AM

I've sold a few in the past couple of years, but this is the only one I currently own.

Leon

11-21-2015, 11:37 AM

Those are all awesome Chuck, Steve, and Val!!....Here's A Virginia Extra....

Not sure if I have seen the VE McGraw before. If so, surely not more than one.

gabrinus

11-22-2015, 01:19 PM

Can't remember where I got that McGraw...here are a few more Virginia Extras....some a little rough......Jerry

ullmandds

11-22-2015, 01:53 PM

jerry...please sell/trade me the VE miller...please!!!!!!

gabrinus

11-22-2015, 02:13 PM

Pete if I decide to sell any of them you have first dibs....I promise.....Jerry

ullmandds

11-22-2015, 02:20 PM

Jerry...you're killing me!!!!! Thanks for the consideration though!!!!! I DO have the mino.

brass_rat

01-16-2016, 06:11 PM

BTW, would love to see a Cobb Virginia Extra but never have.

I was recently fortunate to add this to my collection and got it graded at the show today. :) They are so fragile -- the paper loss on the bottom left kept it from being a 10.

Cheers,
Steve

Leon

01-16-2016, 06:57 PM

I was recently fortunate to add this to my collection and got it graded at the show today. :) They are so fragile -- the paper loss on the bottom left kept it from being a 10.

Cheers,
Steve

I think that is the first one (Cobb leaning VE) I have seen.. super card......congrats...

gabrinus

01-16-2016, 09:51 PM

Agree with Leon.....that is amazing Steve........Jerry

brass_rat

01-17-2016, 01:24 PM

Thanks, guys. I agree, Leon -- no amount of searching has led me to another, so I'm pretty pleased. I got it along with this Crawford...

Cheers,
Steve

RCMcKenzie

03-28-2016, 09:45 PM

Here are a few

gabrinus

03-28-2016, 09:52 PM

Nice ones Robert.....Jerry

RCMcKenzie

03-28-2016, 10:55 PM

Thanks, Jerry. Here's a VE I got recently. Just realized this thread goes back to 2013 and I already posted in it. I will have some more T216 on the way soon...

ZachS

03-29-2016, 06:33 AM

So many great cards in this thread.

http://www.louisianacards.com/uploads/2/7/0/3/27039045/1300022.jpg?1405517835

http://www.louisianacards.com/uploads/2/7/0/3/27039045/7612890.jpg?1427818966

VoodooChild

03-29-2016, 09:03 AM

Great cards everybody!

I never thought I'd be able to post in a thread like this, but I just won my first T216's at the last BST auction. I bought this lot for the Gibson and Oakes as they fit in my Pittsburgh Collection. The Lobert will be available once I receive them:

DixieBaseball

03-30-2016, 07:41 AM

I was recently fortunate to add this to my collection and got it graded at the show today. :) They are so fragile -- the paper loss on the bottom left kept it from being a 10.

Cheers,
Steve

Steve, Congrats and Thanks for sharing! Incredible card! :eek:

Great Eye Candy Thread, and love seeing all this New Orleans "Thin" paper! I have owned about 2 or 3 VE's in my collection, and they never stayed in my collection very long. The last T216 I bought, came in a "Grab Bag" of T's in a Huggins or Hunt auction best of my recollection, and I didn't even know it was in the lot, nor did anyone else bidding. It was in incredible shape, and sold it very quick after buying the T lot of cards. (Will dig up scan if I can find it... Someone on the Net 54 board bought it from me) The crazy thing was I was bidding for a T211 in the lot, and wound up with a real T216 gem among some other nice stuff... Love those Grab bag auctions with out back scans!

edjs

02-22-2017, 01:00 PM

I wanted to revive this thread, and figured I would add my newest T216 to kick start it. I love these cards.

Bliggity

02-22-2017, 01:32 PM

Nice, Ed. What a great thread! I collect any & all E92-family poses, focusing on E92/101/102/106 at the moment, but I do have a couple T216s. Hope to add at least one or two more this year.

https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/Bliggity/e92-family/47585/tinker-batting-t216-1-2
https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/Bliggity/e92-family/47573/schaefer-t216-3

Yoda

02-22-2017, 03:20 PM

The Wagner usually sells at a premium at auction because of the T206 tobacco connection.

gabrinus

02-22-2017, 05:57 PM

Nice one Ed.....here are some Minos.........Jerry

edjs

02-22-2017, 08:07 PM

Thanks Dan & Jerry. Yours aren't too shabby either. Jerry, where have you been, you haven't run a sale in forever. I look everyday for you to list! Is everything okay?

gabrinus

02-22-2017, 11:43 PM

Everything's fine Ed....just in a holding pattern........Jerry