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joe dean
04-19-2013, 03:02 AM
Hi - Fellow collectors: I recently went through a hoard of nr/- mint 1981 baseball cards at my local shop.... I did well and found 3 sharp ryans..... However, My question as follows: 1981 Twins Mike Cubbage -- "The name on front is barley there and the topps logo on right corner is missing the stiching" All is suppose to be black ink !!!.....YES, I do have blackless variations from the 1982 set.....Can somebody assist on letting me know any info. on this error/ variation...... Sorry scan no working..... I appreciate the help....TY - joe dean:)

ALR-bishop
04-19-2013, 12:27 PM
Without a scan it is hard to say much. If you have a smart phone and can email me a picture I can post it. In it's 2012 edition SCD does not list any variations to the 1981 Topps set. I have accumulated some print flaws/defects in my set for cards 63/94/169/183/311/332/346/391/443/453/472 and 694...but not Cubbage.

Not sure what you mean by "All is supposed to be black ink". On a regular card "Topps" in the ball would be in black but the stitching and his name would be red.

I am familiar with with blackless cards as I have the 82 blackless set, in which the black ink is missing on the entire card front...although gray versions can also be found.

Is your card missing the black borders around the yellow background ?

joe dean
04-20-2013, 08:15 PM
having in trouble scanning from cell phone....can you please send full email to me private so I can send pics...... ty- joe dean

joe dean
04-21-2013, 02:22 AM
96737

96738

96739

joe dean
04-21-2013, 11:17 AM
alr-bishop ----- can you please check out these jpegs. i transfered them from my bad cell phone to the computer jpeg files...... best i can do.... let me know....ty

ALR-bishop
04-21-2013, 01:02 PM
It would not appear to be a blackless card because on the 82 blackless cards no black ink occurs at all. Below are examples of blackless cards from 1982 and 1968. The red ink on Cubbage is messed up ,something like what happened on several of the 1980 Topps cards that became quite famous when the red was diluted and left only a dirty yellow, such as the yellow Stanley ( there are 6 to 8 of them), and they are listed in SCD. Examples below .
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img460_zps85870494.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img309.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop53MG]http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/Cardvariations.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/Cardvariations.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img029.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img100.jpg

ALR-bishop
04-21-2013, 02:42 PM
Joe

Your Cubbage print error may be more like some of these 80 defects. The yellow name defects/variations carry a premium since they are listed in SCD as as variations...even though they are just print defects...like the 1961 Fairly green smudge on the back baseball, which PSA had now slabbed as a variation, even though it also is just a print defects.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img479_zps75660074.jpg?t=1366483041
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img480_zpsa0a7d5b9.jpg?t=1366569355
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img478_zps1aa38c2e.jpg?t=1366561992

joe dean
04-21-2013, 03:14 PM
thanks for info...in have some 82 blackless and i sold the fred stanley 1980 on ebay ---- for some good money a few yrs back...... what do u think the cubbage card is a variation/error/ or just print defect - with little or no value....

ty - joe dean

ALR-bishop
04-21-2013, 04:37 PM
I think it is a print defect, but some print defects, such as the 80 Stanley, the 52 Campos, the 57 Bakep and the 58 Herrer, and even the 61 Fairly have gone for large premiums, but only after being recognized as a "variation" in a major publication, Like SCD or Beckett, or in the PSA Registry master set list. Absent that, they are just oddities collected by a few oddballs...like me :)

mcadams
04-22-2013, 08:49 AM
Interesting thread. If you're into registry collecting, you have to be up on the variations, because you never know when something you "think" is a print error might wind up in the composite of your master set.

ALR-bishop
04-22-2013, 01:58 PM
Michael---the 61 Fairly certainly proves your point. That defect occurs on numerous Topps 61 cards and they slab it as a variation whether the whole lower part of the ball is green or just a smidgeon

4reals
04-23-2013, 01:15 AM
I agree mcadams, better to stay ahead of the curve than in a reactionary state and miss the boat.

ALR-bishop
04-23-2013, 08:50 AM
There is however a medical term for such an obsessive state of readiness in regard to pieces of cardboard :)