How does this Heritage/Mantle look to you?

[RichardSimon]

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=151313&lotNo=40116#Photo
I know it is only "pre-certified", but are they kidding???
When Heritage says pre-certified does it mean that nobody looks at it?
If it means that someone looked at it, why don't they say who looked at it.
I saved a screen shot of it. They can pull it, they probably will, but we know they put it up.
An autograph item, straight from Florida, that would make CC blush.

[shelly]

Heritage is the new outlet for Tony P. What a joke:eek:

[mighty bombjack]

Yikes! Doesn't say who it is pre-certed by, but it shouldn't matter. I hope it's taken down.

[Fuddjcal]

OMG BECKEY :D:D:D:D:D:D:

what a bunch of doofs

[shelly]

What does matter is they let this kind of garbage on there site. Even Coaches Corner can this is a forgery from a mile away. Oh! My mistake I thought it was from them.:(

[RichardSimon]

With two of the hobby autograph "giants" on staff you would think something like this would not happen,,,, BUT IT DID.
Maybe they will double ban me now.;)
At least I won't be able to bid on that Mantle :).

[mr2686]

They may double ban you Richard, but then you can be on double secret probation.

[daves_resale_shop]

Thats one ugly mantle

[Leon]

Thats one ugly mantle

It got taken down....

[shelly]

Leon, not the point. It should have never been there in the first place. This a known forgery. It has been shown on ever site there is. For such a high end house that was just plain awful.:mad:

[JimStinson]

What ever it was its gone so SOMEONE reads this stuff ...:), Being banned from auctions ? Seriously ? Let me get this straight ... If someone "wins" something at a high end auction that means they were the ONE person in the ENTIRE WORLD that was willing to pay more than anyone else. Which (I guess) means they paid too much.
Thats like a Vegas Casino putting a limit on how much a player can lose..;)
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[RichardSimon]

Well, at least they did pull it.
But I would be really interested in their definition of pre-certified.
Pre-certified with the auctions that I am aware of usually means that a TPA at least gives the item a cursory look.
Was that Mantle given a cursory look by PSA or JSA?
I could not believe in a thousand years that either PSA or JSA would have given that Florida crap Mantle a thumbs up.
Heritage - why not come on and tell us who pre-certified that piece. You have come on Net54 before, this one needs an explanation.

[RichardSimon]

I do have the screen shot of this listing. However I had to save it in my photo editing software (only way to save screen shots) and I cannot upload it on Net54.

[kneerat]

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

[GrayGhost]

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

+1

[RichardSimon]

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

Chris,
So if the item is listed without an examination, why say it is pre-certified and create an impression that is totally incorrect?
I don't regard this question as mud slinging, I do think it is worthy of a response.
The entire hobby is improved by truthful statements in auction house descriptions, don't you think?

[shelly]

Chris,
You say pre certified in many of your auction descriptions but we don't even know who does the pre certifying based on your auction descriptions.In this case I would have thought Drew Max, Ted Taylor and if you where very lucky Morales might have done your early certification.
And as Richard has pointed out you are saying pre certified when the item has not been pre certified I am really confused.
You also ask us to help you out by e mailing you when we find mistakes.
You are paying the major tpa guys to do that work, why ask us to do it for free why not make us an offer we can't refuse. I know that there are better people on this site vs who you hire. How about the two geniuses that work for you now do you not trust there work?
Putting up that Mantle picture when the knowing part of the autograph community knows it is crap is an insult to us and makes us think you don't even care.
If no one had said a word about that piece how do we know that it would have been taken down?

[Forever Young]

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

[jgmp123]

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

Ben,

You see no issues with one of the major auction houses using the word "pre-certified" when it has actually not been? That doesn't seem like a CYA statement to you?

You shouldn't write the words "pre-certified" until it has been done. It is misleading and shady.

[RichardSimon]

Ben,

You see no issues with one of the major auction houses using the word "pre-certified" when it has actually not been? That doesn't seem like a CYA statement to you?

You shouldn't write the words "pre-certified" until it has been done. It is misleading and shady.

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Ben is like the three wise monkeys, see no evil, etc.

[frankbmd]

Although I think the term pre-certified implies that someone may have looked at an item, the prefix pre- could be interpreted from a linguistic perspective as simply before. Thus pre-certified linguistically implies before certification, which also implies the item will be looked at some time in the future when it is certified or not.

Similarly if you have a three year old child in pre-k (nursery school), the term pre-K does not imply that the child is qualified for, eligible for or would ever be able to handle the rigors of the kindergarten curriculum.;)

Thus I do not think technically that pre-certified means anything with respect to the authenticity of an item, good, bad or ugly.

I raise this point not to defend Heritage or anyone else that uses the term pre-certified, just to clarify the actual meaning of the language involved. I am not commenting on intent.

[shelly]

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

You have to be kidding.:confused: You think they are right. You think that we should help them for free. It does matter what they say. It also matters what we say and we should not be put down for it.:mad:

[RichardSimon]

Frank,
I understand the point you are making but I would think that the vast majority of collectors would think that pre-certified for an autograph does mean that it has been looked at and that it appears, on first look, to be authentic.

[Forever Young]

Although I think the term pre-certified implies that someone may have looked at an item, the prefix pre- could be interpreted from a linguistic perspective as simply before. Thus pre-certified linguistically implies before certification, which also implies the item will be looked at some time in the future when it is certified or not.

Similarly if you have a three year old child in pre-k (nursery school), the term pre-K does not imply that the child is qualified for, eligible for or would ever be able to handle the rigors of the kindergarten curriculum.;)

Thus I do not think technically that pre-certified means anything with respect to the authenticity of an item, good, bad or ugly.

I raise this point not to defend Heritage or anyone else that uses the term pre-certified, just to clarify the actual meaning of the language involved. I am not commenting on intent.

What Frank said. Even if they made an internal mistake, that is what psa and jsa is for. They have a process in place.

Shelly... I don't think they want or should want your help at any cost. I would guess they would not want their name associated with you for many reasons.

Richard.. I see the same monkeys on this auto-side every day and you are one of them. Unfortunately, you are the one on the right as most would prefer you to be the one in the middle.

PS: It takes a special kind of monkey to call out an auction house on a Mickey Mantle autograph berfore it was looked at by psa and jsa. ESPECIALLY when he has had a couple CERTIFIED Mantle pieces that were horrible and well documented.

[RichardSimon]

Ben - when you come out of the dreamland you live in, this will be a better place.

[jgmp123]

Ben,

You honestly see no issues with an auction company as prevalent as Heritage is in this hobby listing an obvious forgery before it has been looked at by authenticators?

The fact that they withdrew it was obvious enough, just like the items they had in the big Walter Johnson auction a few weeks back that Hauls of Shame discovered.

My only beef is that they are displaying items for auction/sale that have not been reviewed by their authenticators. That is an issue. Why bring that kind of bad publicity when you don't have to.

[Forever Young]

Ben - when you come out of the dreamland you live in, this will be a better place.

You are truly a Monkey. Would you like me to post your Mantles Mr. Simon?

[RichardSimon]

I am the one who does not listen?
You defend an auction house that uses language meant to create confusion and I don't listen? An auction house that proudly uses two COA's in their big auction in NYC,except when one of the TPA's does not think the item is authentic and that info is not revealed to the public. (Jackie Robinson ss ball, look it up).
Shelly has admitted to his mistakes. I have admitted to mistakes.
When will your holy trio of JSA, PSA and Heritage admit to any mistake?

[Forever Young]

Ben,

You honestly see no issues with an auction company as prevalent as Heritage is in this hobby listing an obvious forgery before it has been looked at by authenticators?

The fact that they withdrew it was obvious enough, just like the items they had in the big Walter Johnson auction a few weeks back that Hauls of Shame discovered.

My only beef is that they are displaying items for auction/sale that have not been reviewed by their authenticators. That is an issue. Why bring that kind of bad publicity when you don't have to.

I guess that is their decision. They obviously missed it and have PSA AND JSA to look at it before it is sold. Would you honestly say that their "pre-certed" Mantles usually look like this??? I think it was a mistake and it would have been corrected whether Little Richard and Shelly jumped on them or not.

[jgmp123]

It was sent to them in the mail from a seller. When they opened the package and saw it, took photos, and loaded them to the site, they had the chance to not make the mistake. Once it's listed and pointed out as BAD, just like with the previous example when Hauls pointed out a bad item, it was pulled.

Don't let Scott see this and resurrect his green team signed Yankees ball from that auction...

[Forever Young]

I am the one who does not listen?
You defend an auction house that uses language meant to create confusion and I don't listen? An auction house that proudly uses two COA's in their big auction in NYC,except when one of the TPA's does not think the item is authentic and that info is not revealed to the public. (Jackie Robinson ss ball, look it up).
Shelly has admitted to his mistakes. I have admitted to mistakes.
When will your holy trio of JSA, PSA and Heritage admit to any mistake?

He just admitted it was a mistake and it would have been corrected and it has.

[Forever Young]

It was sent to them in the mail from a seller. When they opened the package and saw it, took photos, and loaded them to the site, they had the chance to not make the mistake. Once it's listed and pointed out as BAD, just like with the previous example when Hauls pointed out a bad item, it was pulled.

What exactly is your point? Everyone is allowed to make mistakes(NASH, SHELLY, SIMON,,ECT) but not Heritage?? They even have a safety in place in PSA AND JSA.

[shelly]

Ben, really are a sweet guy. My opinion is as good as a thief from the Hall Of Fame that they hired. :D Funny you can try to insult people looking the way you do. {Ever consider a trainer?}By the by ask your friend DC which company does he disrespect more Heritage or CC?

That is the end of our conversation
Over and Out.

[JimStinson]

Although I think the term pre-certified implies that someone may have looked at an item, the prefix pre- could be interpreted from a linguistic perspective as simply before. Thus pre-certified linguistically implies before certification, which also implies the item will be looked at some time in the future when it is certified or not.

Similarly if you have a three year old child in pre-k (nursery school), the term pre-K does not imply that the child is qualified for, eligible for or would ever be able to handle the rigors of the kindergarten curriculum.;)

Thus I do not think technically that pre-certified means anything with respect to the authenticity of an item, good, bad or ugly.

I raise this point not to defend Heritage or anyone else that uses the term pre-certified, just to clarify the actual meaning of the language involved. I am not commenting on intent.

That is an excellent point , from a purely techical point of view "pre" establishes "prior to" , as in pre-kindergarten, pre-teen etc. but it also implies the INEVITABILITY of the later, a pre teen will eventually become a teenager, a pre-K student will eventually become a 1st grader, Unless God forbid they died. It implies inevitability of an outcome.
Now that I've said my 2 cents , it appears I've accidently stumbled into the "Angry heated, Mudslinging" forum by accident. Could someone please direct me to the "Peace, Love and Happiness" forum ?? Thanks
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[RichardSimon]

That is an excellent point , from a purely techical point of view "pre" establishes "prior to" , as in pre-kindergarten, pre-teen etc. but it also implies the INEVITABILITY of the later, a pre teen will eventually become a teenager, a pre-K student will eventually become a 1st grader, Unless God forbid they died. It implies inevitability of an outcome.
Now that I've said my 2 cents , it appears I've accidently stumbled into the "Angry heated, Mudslinging" forum by accident. Could someone please direct me to the "Peace, Love and Happiness" forum ?? Thanks
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Yes an excellent point, but you know that pre-certified in this hobby means that a pair of knowledgeable eyes had been focused on it.

[Forever Young]

Ben, really are a sweet guy. My opinion is as good as a thief from the Hall Of Fame that they hired. :D Funny you can try to insult people looking the way you do. {Ever consider a trainer?}By the by ask your friend DC which company does he disrespect more Heritage or CC?

That is the end of our conversation
Over and Out.

It IS funny isn't it??? The way both you and Richard attack day after day after day after day.

[jgmp123]

Besides David (their differences are well documented), who does Richard or Shelly attack?

[Leon]

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

[Forever Young]

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

Thank God for the voice of reason.

[RichardSimon]

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).

Leon - you are correct, the way that it is handled is the important thing.
But they "pre-handle" it by saying the item is pre-certified and in the autograph business, as I have already stated, that means it has been looked at by someone with knowledge of autographs.
I have asked them to explain that, because it is pretty obvious to me that PSA and JSA did not look at the item in question. If they had looked at it, I am certain it would never have made it to the auction site. They both would have rejected that Florida trash in a heartbeat.

[Forever Young]

Leon - you are correct, the way that it is handled is the important thing.
But they "pre-handle" it by saying the item is pre-certified and in the autograph business, as I have already stated, that means it has been looked at by someone with knowledge of autographs.
I have asked them to explain that, because it is pretty obvious to me that PSA and JSA did not look at the item in question. If they had looked at it, I am certain it would never have made it to the auction site. They both would have rejected that Florida trash in a heartbeat.

Please tell me why it is even a big deal??? It either means it is pre-(prior to when they were to have it looked at by psa/jsa) or their own people made a mistake. No one would have got a bad item as it would have been caught by psa or jsa. There is a safety in place either way. Why are you so hung up on this??

[travrosty]

I think Chris from Heritage explained the process quite well. The fact that some of our members either didn't read what he said, or can't comprehend it, is beside the point. Questions are being asked that have been answered already. Things get pulled from every single auction house that runs auctions, mine included. Mistakes happen and it's the way they are handled that counts the most (to me).


it's not a mistake, they have explained it that they throw any piece of carp up there and psa or jsa eventually gets around to looking at it, in the meantime a forgery is up for bid. a mistake is putting something up you believe to be genuine and it is found out not to be. they arent even looking at it at all when it comes in and it gets put up for bids. it's not a mistake.

it used to say precertified psa and jsa auction loa until we forced them to take it down, and in their usual fashion, they thumbed their nose at the collector and only took the jsa or psa part down, leaving up the pre-certified. It's not precertified and that should come down as well, but try getting chris ivy to do anything pro-active and he will have a little hissy fit and kick his arms and legs like a 2 year old.

And then he can't come on here himself (i have never seen chris ivy come on here) and give an explanation, he sends jonathon or chris nerat to do his light work as he is too big and above it all to explain to us mere serfs and peasants or forum owners or whoever just what the heck they are doing over there in ivory tower number 1 in dallas texas.

if richard gets double banned, i hope i get triple.

[RichardSimon]

Please tell me why it is even a big deal??? It either means it is pre-(prior to when they were to have it looked at by psa/jsa) or their own people made a mistake. No one would have got a bad item as it would have been caught by psa or jsa. There is a safety in place either way. Why are you so hung up on this??

When an auction house states an autograph is pre-certified they are stating the item is real and that it has been looked at by a qualified person.
Why put up a forgery and solicit bids otherwise? Why state it has been looked at by a qualified person WHEN IT HAS NOT.
No one would have gotten a bad item that is correct. But I believe they are obfuscating when they state the item has been pre-certified.

[Forever Young]

it's not a mistake, they have explained it that they throw any piece of carp up there and psa or jsa eventually gets around to looking at it, in the meantime a forgery is up for bid. a mistake is putting something up you believe to be genuine and it is found out not to be. they arent even looking at it at all when it comes in and it gets put up for bids. it's not a mistake.

it used to say precertified psa and jsa auction loa until we forced them to take it down, and in their usual fashion, they thumbed their nose at the collector and only took the jsa or psa part down, leaving up the pre-certified. It's not precertified and that should come down as well, but try getting chris ivy to do anything pro-active and he will have a little hissy fit and kick his arms and legs like a 2 year old. and then he can't come on here himself and give an explanation, he sends jonathon or chris nerat to do his light work as he is too big and above it all to explain to us mere serfs and peasants or forum owners or whoever just what the heck they are doing over there in ivory tower number 1 in dallas texas.

if richard gets double banned, i hope i get triple.

Now that all three are here. Please let my know what the big deal is since they will get taken down anyway.

Also.." he will have a little hissy fit and kick his arms and legs like a 2 year old." ....is absolutely insane coming from you.

[Forever Young]

When an auction house states an autograph is pre-certified they are implying the item is real and that it has been looked at. Why put up a forgery and solicit bids otherwise?

Ok...fair enough.. well maybe they looked at it with their own team which made a mistake.
Again.. what is the big deal if it gets taken down anyway??

[RichardSimon]

Ok...fair enough.. well maybe they looked at it with their own team which made a mistake.
Again.. what is the big deal if it gets taken down anyway??

We are arguing apples and oranges here. You don't think it is important, Shelly, myself, Travis and James Graham think it is. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on this.
And I don't think, correct me if I am wrong, that their own team examines autographs, so I hesitate to call it a mistake. It was sent to them, they put it up, IMHO nobody looked at it, despite calling it pre-certified but,,,,
they took it off, they are done with the subject. So am I.

[travrosty]

Now that all three are here. Please let my know what the big deal is since they will get taken down anyway.

Also.." he will have a little hissy fit and kick his arms and legs like a 2 year old." ....is absolutely insane coming from you.



it took over 6 months for him to grudgingly agree to take down the jsa precertified when they hadnt looked at it yet. he didnt want to. popular support and opinions from collectors forced him to do it against his will. its like a kid who didnt want to eat his vegetables.

arms crossed and mouth shut tight who won't budge.

he is the director of the sports dept for the largest collectibles auctioneer in the country, son of the ceo/founder. he has responsibilities to do the right thing and get it right, which he is failing/abdicating. i would never pull such bush league auctioneer tactics on the collecting public if i was in charge over there.

and don't worry, i won't be in charge over there so relax. you didnt get the demeaning and patronizing emails from ivy and i did so you dont know how he can come off to a collector, pompous and out of touch.

[Joe Hunter]

If I saw the term "pre-certified" I would come away with the impression that the item had at least been viewed by a knowledgeable person. For example, if an item was submitted to PSA for a Quick Opinion and it came back as "likely genuine", I would consider the item as having been pre-certified. It hasn't been positively authenticated yet, but there is a reasonable chance that it will. I do understand the prefix "pre" means prior to; however, in the context of an auction item I believe it implies there is a reasonable chance the item is authentic and has been deemed so by someone "in the know" prior to receiving a letter of authentication from a reputable TPC.

[Deertick]

Would an auction house list a ring as "Pre-certified 14k gold" until they got around to actually testing it?

[frankbmd]

Once again the definition follows:

pre-
a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin, where it meant “before” ( preclude; prevent ); applied freely as a prefix, with the meanings “prior to,” “in advance of,” “early,” “beforehand,” “before,” “in front of,” and with other figurative meanings ( preschool; prewar; prepay; preoral; prefrontal ).

In the context of the current discussion I see no indication that what follows pre- should be interpreted as a fait accompli. I do not think the prefix should be interpreted as a guarantee that what follows is at all certain. It just hasn't happened yet (and may not).

However I feel strongly that all Auction Houses should have a mechanism in place, "prelisting", to "prevent" the "premature" placement in an auction of a bogus item that later requires withdrawl. I think there should be agreement here. My point about the language is secondary, but arguably correct.

Maturity is not a fait accompli of prematurity. Look around.:D

[shelly]

There is also slang. Words that are used incorrectly but are well understood when placed in a certain arena. The autograph hobby is one of those places. Pre certified means in this arena to mean that it has been looked at a found to be authentic. Why else would you accept bids or even show it. You look like a fool if where not to be what people thought to be fact.
Wow I have watched to much of Down Town Abbey:)

[Leon]

For the record I do think the wording could be changed to be more clear. When I see the term pre-certified, I have to agree that in my mind it has been looked at already, not that it will be looked at before auction end. If I were them I would take that term out....then if a piece is found to be bad it can be pulled. That's just me though..... Just trying to keep it real...and I still think they are a good, honest auction house too.

[chaddurbin]

how easy is it in the auction software to change the pre-certified to pending certification*? it would eliminate alot of these problems as well as the perception of misleading their potential bidders.


*really easy.