Ebay delibrately leaving bad items on the board - they need the $$$

[RichardSimon]

For at least a week now, ebay has not been removing items that are being reported by their EMR people.
Apparently any thought of trying to help clean up the ebay autograph market has been removed from ebay's corporate policy.
How about if all autograph collectors on this board write to them and complain about this apparent policy change.

[Sean1125]

Are they responsible if it is brought to their attention and nothing is done about it?

[mighty bombjack]

I thought there was an inordinate amount of bad autos up currently. Here's one outstanding example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JIMMY-COLLINS-SIGNED-CUT-/281075718928?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item41716b1b10

[thetruthisoutthere]

This piece-of-crap forgery sold for $2.000.

Listed and sold by Ebay seller dino565.


The scammers on Ebay are now running amok.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140934792724?nma=true&si=daq%2BSAJoUp1wifFCmzuDC%2BEYZsE%3D&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2557&orig_cvip=true

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[thecatspajamas]

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

[thetruthisoutthere]

For some reason, Ebay has stopped removing forgeries.

Check out these forgeries listed by EBay seller mcollins10.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-AUTOGRAPHED-BABE-RUTH-CY-YOUNG-J-HONUS-WAGNER-BASEBALL-/140932578030?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item20d03c7aee

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[thetruthisoutthere]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-AUTOGRAPHED-MICKEY-MANTLE-RANDY-GUMPERT-JIM-LONBORG-/140932585463?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item20d03c97f7

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[thetruthisoutthere]

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

Check out these forgeries listed by Ebay seller poffin. The COAs are from CSC Collectibles (on Ebay's Banned COA list).

Ebay isn't removing anything these days from what I can observe.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/mickey-mantle-and-ted-williams-autographed-Picture-/321088836480?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item4ac262d380

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-mantle-autographed-Picture-/321088835169?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item4ac262ce61

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[keithsky]

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

[RichardSimon]

It does seem that the new corporate policy at ebay is just let the crooks run wild.
All collectors should write to them and publicize this fact on other boards.
Autographs on Ebay are now as bad as any time in its history.
It is as bad now as in the horror days of pre Operation Bullpen.
When John G. was "moved" out of his role of top ebay policeman we should have known what would be next.

[Mr. Zipper]

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

What Richard is specifically referring to is eBay appears to be no longer responding to EMR reports.

[RichardSimon]

Ebay doesn't care it's all about the money. I have reported about 6 things this week with Drew Maxx and Ace certs and they do NOTHING. They probably get so many complaints about bad autographs they blow it off as people just complaning. Like we don't know what were talking about. It will never change unless they get sued for some reason for millions of dollars or some amount to make an impact then maybe the'll wise up and listen to the people like us that care and want the hobby to get cleaned up. It's like taking 1 step forward and 5 steps back sometimes. I find lately all they seem to care about is making there website more attractive cause every time I log on something has changed in appearance but still the same bogus autographs that I tell them about.

Keith - not to denigrate you or any collector who made reports to ebay. but those reports were almost never listened to.
The reports that they did listen to came from the dedicated volunteers of the EMR group. Now they are ignoring those reports to the detriment of the hobby.

[thecatspajamas]

When John G. was "moved" out of his role of top ebay policeman we should have known what would be next.

When did this happen? I must have missed it if something was posted regarding his move. It does sound like with the change of head cop, the policies (or attentiveness to them) has changed, which is very disappointing.

[jgmp123]

Talk about a heap of garbage...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/skyline384/m.html?item=281075718928&pt=US_Autographs&%3Bhash=item41716b1b10&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

[mighty bombjack]

Talk about a heap of garbage...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/skyline384/m.html?item=281075718928&pt=US_Autographs&%3Bhash=item41716b1b10&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

That seller has numerous completed listings as well.

[jgmp123]

That seller has numerous completed listings as well.

Yeah...look at the going price for a lot of those listings...and a few that have been pulled in the past...

The thing that throws me off with this seller is that a lot of his stuff is accompanied by a Wayne Stivers COA, who I previously believed as being pretty trustworthy..but man, that Collins is crap.

[RichardSimon]

When did this happen? I must have missed it if something was posted regarding his move. It does sound like with the change of head cop, the policies (or attentiveness to them) has changed, which is very disappointing.

It happened last year.
Nothing was posted regarding his move. He was doing his job too well and he was facilitating the removal of too many items. He was costing ebay money.

[RichardSimon]

That seller has numerous completed listings as well.

I always like to look at sellers lists, the ones who have been caught with a bad item. This guy actually has a few good items mixed in with his junk.

[RichardSimon]

That "Quick Judgement Service" by AMA is hilarious. Based on their track record, couldn't they issue those without even looking at the item?

Does the "banned authenticators" list no longer apply as well?

I always have to chuckle when a COA does not list the address or phone number of the authenticator. What are they hiding?? :eek:
Yes banned authenticator items have been reported and nothing has been done by ebay.

[slidekellyslide]

For at least a week now, ebay has not been removing items that are being reported by their EMR people.
Apparently any thought of trying to help clean up the ebay autograph market has been removed from ebay's corporate policy.
How about if all autograph collectors on this board write to them and complain about this apparent policy change.

Well they certainly have no qualms about removing cap gun auctions that don't have permanent orange stoppers in the barrel. How stupid of a rule is that? They ended three of my auctions for cap guns that were made in the 1950s and 60s because my orange stoppers that I crafted out of plastic did not meet their lofty standards.

[travrosty]

they only removed "some" of the fakes anyway, so they are being fair now, either leave all the fakes up or take down ALL the fakes.

[Mr. Zipper]

they only removed "some" of the fakes anyway, so they are being fair now, either leave all the fakes up or take down ALL the fakes.

With a philosophy like that, thankfully you are not in law enforcement or anti-terrorism.

Officer: Chief, our estimates indicate there are a percentage of drunk drivers, rapists and con artists at large.

Chief Roste: You mean we are not catching 100% of violators? That's not fair to the ones we do arrest. Screw it. Let 'em all go.

[thetruthisoutthere]

With a philosophy like that, thankfully you are not in law enforcement or anti-terrorism.

Officer: Chief, our estimates indicate there are a percentage of drunk drivers, rapists and con artists at large.

Chief Roste: You mean we are not catching 100% of violators? That's not fair to the ones we do arrest. Screw it. Let 'em all go.

Well written, Mr. Zipper!!!!

My sentiments exactly.

[travrosty]

thats the dumbest analogy ever.

when the violators arre already caught, not AT LARGE. It's not liek we dont know fo the psa and jsa screwups, they have been caught, proven and turned in. Just not prosecuted fairly like the rest.

case in point.

you catch two guys robbing the store,

one white, one black, you bring them in, they book the black guy and let the white guy go.

now does your analogy hold up?


what you are saying is that we cant catch the psa or jsa screwups so lets let them all go.

but we already caught them and reported them, its just that its selective ENFORCEMENT, not the fact that we cant catch them all so let's let the ones we do catch go. We DID catch psa and jsa, its just that its ebay picking winners and losers.

I don't think you would have the same attitude if they delisted the psa and jsa fakes and kept the drew max fakes up? you wouldnt have a problem with that? It all comes down to whose ox is being gored. Just give me a good reason why psa and jsa fakes that have been proven to be fake deserve to remain up. you can't because you you like it that way. You like psa and jsa fakes. If you didn't , you would demand they come down the same as the rest.

a fake is a fake is a fake. These fakes are being laid right at ebays doorstep, they just choose to ignore some because of their cozy relationships.

So it's good i am not in law enforcement because I don't practive selective enforcement of the law? law enforcements job is to serve justice, which is suppose to be blind. two violators violating the same statute deserve equal treatment and justice under the law. not look one way for one and book the other. when the DA's brother in law gets his traffic ticket dismissed, when others have to pay, then that's a problem. But I guess you don't have a problem with that. I have had an EMR ask me for all the non psa and jsa fakes. what the heck is that? why protect companies who screwup and certify fakes. why are their fakes golden and something we shouldn't talk about and take proactive action with? Sacred cows for $$$$$$$$$$$$, power and other considerations in return for shutting up.

[Mr. Zipper]

when the violators are turned in an you let them go, its not like you have to go searching for them.

case in point.

you catch two guys robbing the store,

one white, one black, you bring them in, they book the black guy and let the white guy go.

now does your analogy hold up?

I need to capture your post for posterity.

The point is this:

This war you have with PSA and JSA has so warped your judgement and reasoning that you actually welcome the idea of unleashing thousands upon thousands of fakes into the marketplace out of pure spite.

[Mr. Zipper]

And once again, Travis hijacks yet another thread with his incoherent ramblings about a white whale or strawberry ice cream.

Go start your own thread people can ignore. This is NOT about PSA or JSA.

[travrosty]

autographs don't have a race but they have an affiliation.

if you are affiliated with us (psa, jsa), then your autographs are protected on ebay.

i would report all fakes no matter whose name or company is on them, and i would demand they ALL be taken down. no name is above being pulled as a FAKE.

why is a psa or jsa fake somehow a better, higher-cut of an autograph than a fake by anyone else?

its discrimination, no matter how you look at it. you can defend it or try to explain it away, but it's still there.

some emr's deserve to be emr's some don't. i know an emr who knows nothing about autographs, but he is an emr. why? I don't know.

other emr's sell a lot of autogrpah in their specialty on ebay, with disclaimers on their accounts to watch out for the OTHER sellers, who may sell fakes. and this guy gets to report to ebay the fakes he finds within that same specialty he sells for and promises coa's from the company he works for as well. that's what is screwed up about this whole deal.

if ebay won't treat a proven fake as a fake and pull it, then it doesnt' deserve the support of emr's or anybody.

[travrosty]

Ebay should either start their own authentication service and require that all autographs be certed by team ebay, listing their authenticators on their website and making sure there are no conflicts of interest concerning these authenticators,

or

they should let all autographs on ebay without pulling anything down, just requiring that any company's or individuals coa that is listed with an autograph be registered with ebay first. listed on their website, with a weblink so you can go to that companies or indiduals website page, with a photo of the guy who looked at your autograph, his address, phone number, email which all been verified before hand.

this way the scammers will be reluctant to put their info down, and the rest will have their coa's up on ebay. and run a disclaimer in large print at the beginning of every autograph listing that be sure to visit the coa's website first, ask questions and be confident in the person or company that is issuing the coa. and that's it. if people are confident with someone you don't like. then let them be.

that way an autograph can either be listed without authentication, or it can be listed with a coa that must be picked out of the registered list before it can be listed. if the company or person issuing the coa you have isnt registered with ebay, then you cant mention or list the coa. all autograph without authentication are buyer beware as well, and it should say that you should be confident with who you are buying from. only the people and companies who take the time to meet the requirements will be allowed to be listed, and some fakers might do it, but their names, addresses and other identifiable info will be posted for all to see, no more GFA's.

if a coa is shown that isnt on the list, or a coa is listed that is a mismatch with the one shown, then one warning and after that, the seller is banned.

[thecatspajamas]

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

[johnmh71]

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

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[Leon]

... The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

There was 50% that was coherent? I guess I was reading the other 50%. :cool:

[yanksfan09]

Message to ebay: It's been brought to my attention that ebay may have recently had a policy change, regarding reported autograph forgeries. Some members of the autograph EMR team have recently been unsuccessful in trying to take down bad items that they see and report. I personally spend a lot of money on ebay every year, as I'm sure you can see and so do thousands of other autograph and sports memorabilia collectors. I certainly hope there was not a change in policy here that is making you move in a backwards direction regarding taking down fraudulent listings. Many other collectors will catch on soon enough and begin to look elsewhere when making purchases if ebay doesn't provide the proper buyer protection. Ignoring all the bad forgeries to make more $ is unacceptable. If you're the host, you take on a certain level of responsibility to police the listings and do your best to make sure the buyers are protected. As they are the lifeblood of your site in the first place. I realize some will always slip through the cracks and it may be hard to check out everything. However, you guys need to do a better job in taking down reported items.

Many experienced collectors, like myself, report bad items all the time. I think the majority of the time I see nothing done about it either. I only make reports when I'm 100% certain an item is bad and anyone with a trained eye who reviews my reports would have to agree, as I only report the most obvious and blatant items! It's very discouraging to watch a reported item continue on and become a completed listing for some unknowing buyer. Likely they are inexperienced young buyers and they end up getting burned. It's a shortsighted move on behalf of ebay to let these items slip through and let these buyers get burned. Once they gain more knowledge in the hobby later on, they will realize they were ripped off and ebay may lose that customer for good. It's penny wise and pound foolish!


That's the message I just attempted to send to ebay. ( I used every last one of the 2000 characters in the message) . Only, I can't find how to email it to customer support. The only way I could find to write any message to ebay was on some survey after I responded that the search was unsuccessful for the topic I was trying to get help to. I'm sure I didn't send it to where I'd want to.

anyone know the customer support email? Or do you think it would be best to send a physical printed letter to their headquarters? Anyone know that address?

[jgmp123]

I found this one... rswebhelp@ebay.com

[yanksfan09]

thanks, I'll try that one

[Forever Young]

travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, no fake autos are being taken down, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: All authenticators are being treated the same: They are all being given free reign on ebay!

there is no preference being given by ebay to psa, jsa or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!

hahahaha @ "dancing in the streets".

[RichardSimon]

Through the grapevine information, and totally unconfirmed, I have heard that a new exec at ebay has led to this policy change of not removing bogus autographs. His sole priority is profit and attempting to keep the site honest is no longer important. How very shortsighted and pathetically sad.
Guess it is time to post this vintage cut, minimum bid $1.99

[GrayGhost]

Through the grapevine information, and totally unconfirmed, I have heard that a new exec at ebay has led to this policy change of not removing bogus autographs.. His sole priority is profit and attempting to keep the site honest is no longer important. How very shortsighted and pathetically sad.
Guess it is time to post this vintage cut.

What's a matter w that? Smalls and Benny the Jet would pass that off as good in the Sandlot:)

[travrosty]

Travis, have you bothered to read the rest of this thread?

The point is, NO FAKE AUTOS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, regardless of who certed them.

It's exactly what you've been screaming for: ALL AUTHENTICATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME: they are ALL being given free reign on eBay!

There is no preference being given by eBay to PSA, JSA or any other authenticator, and all alerts from emr's are being ignored. You should be dancing in the streets, not copy/pasting from your previous rants. The 50% of what you have typed that is coherent no longer applies!



like i said, if they wont take down the jsa or psa fakes, then why should the other fakes get picked on when the psa and jsa fakes get a "get out of jail free card?

If they ONLY took down jsa and psa fakes and made it their official policy, i suppose you would be happy they are at least taking down something?

don't you see when the shoe is on the other foot, even you wouldn't hold the same opinion as before, but since the psa and jsa fakes stay up when the others didnt enjoy the same protection, to you that is better than nothing, but switch it around and it is NOT better than nothing.

i take the same tack either way, either get serious about removing fakes or don't. when they protected psa and jsa fakes, they didnt get serious, and now they are removing nothing, so they are not serious. nothing has changed.

the only ones that should be mad at the new ebay policy is psa and jsa, they now have competition for their fakes being offered. there was no shortage of fakes on ebay before even if all the non-psa and jsa fakes were removed. Still plenty of protected autos of the psa and jsa variety being offered, but i just never heard any outrage at that.

It was picking winners and losers. they were saying all psa and jsa autographs were winners and all others were losers.

i offered an autograph from a private signing session i did and it included a picture of the guy signing the item and it got taken down. why? politics only.

if it had no picture but a psa or jsa cert, it would have been golden. it's slanted from day one people!

zipper always claims hijacking threads, but its only hijacking if someone says something he doesn't like. zipper approved popular speech isn't hijacking.

I put out an alternative of what ebay could do, actually two of them. i really liked leon's suggestion. zero
maybe everyone likes what they were doing before, protecting psa and jsa. i know the auction houses love it, but it's one big nest of protection from the authenticators, the auction houses, the publications and the other hangers on who can make a buck off the current system of protection and back scratching. Don't rock the boat and don't change the status quo. The loser is the collector as always. Ebay will figure out what to do eventually. There were EMR's who are authenticators for the pre-approved companies, EMR's with big accounts on ebay selling their autographs. conflicts of interests abound. Let's clean it up and if ebay starts by going back to square one, then I await them to do some REAL cleaning up of the hobby and their auction house. But it will take a pair, not just saying to psa or jsa, "just list" whatever the heck it is you want and we will leave it up".

[Fuddjcal]

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

[D. Bergin]

slanted schmanted.....I will not buy or sell anything on e-bay...ANYTHING PERIOD, if this is in fact happening. I'm sure missing 1 customer won't hurt them but they will be no better than the current selling platforms that are infected with 99% fakes IMHO and I'm not going to feed companies that sell fake autographs. If that's happening, tyou know they are selling fake high end purses, fake watches, fake gold , f that. I'm out. Good luck e-bay, it was nice knowing you.

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

[mighty bombjack]

This seems to make sense for eBay. It may not solely be a matter of letting everything go through so profits go up, but it could be them throwing their hands up at frustration with their accepted LOAs. Can you imagine the winding paths of truth, opinion, and politics that a fraud protection staffer at ebay must wander when dealing with autographs? I'd bet it makes the squabbles on this board look like afternoon tea. Further, remember the post about someone at eBay allegedly saying that the big alphabets sucked? Well, the natural progression of that Travis-esque frustration is to let everything go through and let the buyer beware.

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

So here we are.

[thecatspajamas]

They certainly won't start paying in-house people to authenticate and take down fakes, as that would cut into profits two ways.

Now that I certainly agree with. From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items (Gucci, Prada, unlicensed KISS merchandise, bootleg Disney DVDs, etc etc). The difference is, those other companies have their own in-house experts who find and report the fakes directly to eBay to protect their own "brands". It's one thing for a company or individual to say, "We didn't produce or authorize that," and something else for a third party to say, "As a concerned citizen, I don't think that was produced by them."

It's hard enough for eBay personnel to figure out whose opinion to listen to in the first place when it comes to autographs. It's not like calling up Louis Vuitton and asking the head of their fraud department who their go-to guy for identifying fake handbags is. By and large, celebrities whose autographs are being sold do not have "authorized representatives" to make those definitive calls (I'm sure there are some that do, but most don't).

Considering what a small sliver of the overall eBay pie is represented by "autographed collectibles," there's absolutely no chance that eBay is going to pay someone in-house to do third-party analysis of signed items.

[thecatspajamas]

If they ONLY took down jsa and psa fakes and made it their official policy, i suppose you would be happy they are at least taking down something?

don't you see when the shoe is on the other foot, even you wouldn't hold the same opinion as before, but since the psa and jsa fakes stay up when the others didnt enjoy the same protection, to you that is better than nothing, but switch it around and it is NOT better than nothing.

Travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, I am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.

[RichardSimon]

From what I understand, none of the EMR's were ever paid one cent by eBay, nor does eBay pay any of the other watchdogs for counterfeit items.

You are absolutely correct, ebay never paid one cent to the EMR's.
EMR's only do the work for the good of the hobby. It is time consuming and no reward is paid by ebay except for a very small token which is given out at Christmas. (every year a pen, a memory stick, a thermos, etc). Works out to about five cents an hour.
I have now been informed that the card side is experiencing the same thing as the autograph side. EMR reports are being ignored and allegedly a re-organization has occurred in the oversight division.
THEY DON'T CARE ANY LONGER, if they ever really cared at all.

[Big Dave]

Ebay just sucks in general with everything now days. Pretty much quit selling on there awhile back but decided to sell something recently and was quite shocked at how far and greedy they have become. Sold an item on there for 1000.00 and between ebay and their surrogate evil stepchild, PayPal, they took 125.00 for fees. This is why I won't be back for a good while.

[travrosty]

Travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, I am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.



i am not speaking for you but people seem to be speaking for me!

[Forever Young]

travis, please don't ever attempt to speak for me. If you would like to ask my opinion, i am on the boards frequently enough that you can do so without having to "suppose" what my thoughts are on the subject. Your assessment of my opinion is so far off-base as to be both offensive to me and indicative of your own tenuous grasp of reality. And if you must quote me, please do so by using the quote button at the bottom so that at least something in your post will have proper punctuation and grammar.

lol

[Fuddjcal]

Sorry, but EBAY doesn't sell anything.

It is comprised of individual sellers, each with their own specific reputation or lack of reputation they can hang their hat on. It's not hard to narrow down the items of a specific seller you trust, from all the other nonsense you find on Ebay doing a general search.

That's kind of like opening up an issue of SCD 25 years ago, and telling yourself I'm not going to buy anything from Richard Simon, because Coach's Corner also advertises in SCD.

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?:)

[D. Bergin]

diagree dave...it would make them no better than the other platforms that don't filter fakes. I will not buy from those platforms. I will not buy a thing from a DEALER on e-bay then. How's that for you? I will not sell anything on e-bay. Is that clear enough for you?:)

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

[RichardSimon]

I have been communicating with someone on the EMR team who is on the card side.
Based on what he has told me, ebay has never been very cooperative with the EMR team and at times has actually placed roadblocks in the way of the EMR volunteers.
Profit before doing the right thing seems to be the motto. Even though doing the right thing will result in greater profits in the long run.

[Fuddjcal]

Doesn't make sense to me, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

Individual sellers on Ebay do not make up Ebay policy. They use the platform just like any other tool. Advertising in SCD, setting up your own website, sending out your own price list, posting in the B/S/T on Net54.

It's not hard to separate trustworthy sellers, from untrustworthy ones.........though I suppose it's harder then just throwing everybody under the same bus.

Sorry if I offended you somehow.

no offense taken, I just don't support companies that sell fake crap. E-bay is making plenty of money "not" selling things and I don't want to feed anyone one red cent when I don't believe in what they're doing....especially gigantic conglomerates like e-bay. That's my only point.

Others on Fudd's Current banned List:

Waste Management
Verizon
American Express
E-bay ( on the ropes)

all for various reasons

[D. Bergin]

no offense taken, I just don't support companies that sell fake crap. E-bay is making plenty of money "not" selling things and I don't want to feed anyone one red cent when I don't believe in what they're doing....especially gigantic conglomerates like e-bay. That's my only point.

Others on Fudd's Current banned List:

Waste Management
Verizon
American Express
E-bay ( on the ropes)

all for various reasons


Fair enough. For the record, it does disturb me that Ebay is following through on this policy. The phrase "Beholden to the stockholders" usually does not bode well for the general public.

This, in tandem with yet another Ebay fee rate hike, Ebay deciding they want a chunk of the S&H costs, the recent Postage rate hikes (especially overseas items), and the continuing roadblocks Ebay puts up to reach their increasingly hard to obtain fee discounts, are going to eventually cost them both buyers and sellers alike.

[jgmp123]

We're they really taking that big of a financial hit?? I think not...

@WSJ: EBay gave its CEO $29.7 million last year, up 80% from $16.5 million a year earlier. http://t.co/YuuKriU9tw $EBAY

[D. Bergin]

We're they really taking that big of a financial hit?? I think not...

@WSJ: EBay gave its CEO $29.7 million last year, up 80% from $16.5 million a year earlier. http://t.co/YuuKriU9tw $EBAY

Maybe they're aiming for $40 mill next year.

[Big Dave]

Ebay is currently taking about 13% on straight auctions....They claim such and such is free, but that is all bs...they get you in the end.

[koufax1fan]

I can only speak as a 25 year collector of just Sandy Koufax memorabilia. Many of the Sandy Koufax autographs on ebay listings are fake. At first I would email the sellers to remove item, and then advise ebay about the item if not removed. The last few months have been so bad with forgeries that it is now just out of control. Many COA's are a joke, and a few from even reputable people. Unfortunately it is a very sad part of our hobby.
Phil

[RichardSimon]

We're they really taking that big of a financial hit?? I think not...

@WSJ: EBay gave its CEO $29.7 million last year, up 80% from $16.5 million a year earlier. http://t.co/YuuKriU9tw $EBAY

It might not be a big financial hit but I would speculate that a lot of executives in ebay own stock in the company. If they can improve earnings, even a little bit, the stock goes up. So if they can keep a lot of items on the board that should be removed it helps the company's profits. If profits can beat the Wall Street estimates then every exec there who owns stock makes out very well.

[RichardSimon]

Ebay is now telling some EMR members that there has been a "technical bug" in the system and that is the reason for the failure to remove items that are being reported.
That "technical bug" has now lasted for quite some time.
Seems to me that with all their money they could have hired Bill Gates to come over and fix it.

[D. Bergin]

Ebay is now telling some EMR members that there has been a "technical bug" in the system and that is the reason for the failure to remove items that are being reported.
That "technical bug" has now lasted for quite some time.
Seems to me that with all their money they could have hired Bill Gates to come over and fix it.


I hope it was a technical bug that sent out the e-mail with their new "Fee Updates".

[thetruthisoutthere]

Ebay has been removing auctions during the last 48 hours.

[RichardSimon]

Ebay has sent out e mails to EMR members blaming a technical issue for this problem. It seems that whether or not it was a technical issue bogus items are now being removed once again.
If it was a technical issue it sure took them a long time to fix it.
Let us hope it is a permanent fix.

[Mr. Zipper]

http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_party.gif

The "dancing in the streets" has been canceled.

http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_balloon.gif

[travrosty]

lets hope they fix the protectionism of a few "favored sons" authentication companies who can 'cert no wrong'.

[Fuddjcal]

I hope it was a technical bug that sent out the e-mail with their new "Fee Updates".

lol, aint that the truth. The fact that free listings are adding up to 13% now is really getting carried away. I did notice that they were taking part of our shipping fees (LOL) what a rip off. It's like the other companies on my banned list.... spending out of control for their execs, but beat the stuffing out of their customers at EVERY TURN. Just like E bay. The more I think about it, the more I need to add E-bay to my banned company list. :D

[Fuddjcal]

lets hope they fix the protectionism of a few "favored sons" authentication companies who can 'cert no wrong'.

At least we have a better chance now of comparing fact from fiction. With JSA & PSA having "protectionism" we will only be bombarded with the occasional horrible fake as opposed to near every damn listing.

It is much better this way. This way, we can pick-out a bad JSA or PSA items once in a while instead of looking at "Favorite Son" Christopher Moralass, & Tony "don't call me Jorge" Podsada specials all day long. It will keep the initial moron away at least.

[travrosty]

At least we have a better chance now of comparing fact from fiction. With JSA & PSA having "protectionism" we will only be bombarded with the occasional horrible fake as opposed to near every damn listing.

It is much better this way. This way, we can pick-out a bad JSA or PSA items once in a while instead of looking at "Favorite Son" Christopher Moralass, & Tony "don't call me Jorge" Podsada specials all day long. It will keep the initial moron away at least.



but you are wrong, we can't pick out a bad jsa or psa item, i can, no one else can, because no one else wants to and ebay isnt going to do anything about it.

morales isnt ebays favorite son, he is on the banned list. the bad psa and jsa items is every bit as horrible and bad as anyone else, they just have the right kind of cert for it to sell for hundred or thousands of dollars. its a fake of a higher order so to speak. a fake you can live with.

[Fuddjcal]

but you are wrong, we can't pick out a bad jsa or psa item, i can, no one else can, because no one else wants to and ebay isnt going to do anything about it.

morales isnt ebays favorite son, he is on the banned list. the bad psa and jsa items is every bit as horrible and bad as anyone else, they just have the right kind of cert for it to sell for hundred or thousands of dollars. its a fake of a higher order so to speak. a fake you can live with.

LOL, "a fake you can live with".....once in a while you are a funny guy.

Moralass was Todd Muellers (et al) favorite son...him and his buddies on that little trash site of theirs, where you would contribute, the one you didn't get yourself kicked off of. The one that's back to a one way bash fest. The one with 3-5 complete blithering idiot losers running it. The one where Todd argued with me for 5 pages about how he knew Mantle and how that Mantle had rock solid Providence. Not one jack off over there came to my defense of this forgery. Just watching the guy in action is enough to stay away from him, IMHO

That's what the collector has become. Buying these certs only and not learning about what they are collecting. The collector these days are Anal as they come regarding these stupid certificates. That's why they are so easy to rip off. They are stupid, they continue to be stupid and there is no end in site to their stupidity.:eek:

[RichardSimon]

Ebay is very erratic now with EMR reports.
Some are acted on, many are not.
Some are taking a very long time to get acted on.
This also is going on with cards, not just autographs.
Technical glitch??
Change of ebay policy??

[HOFAUTOS]

but you are wrong, we can't pick out a bad jsa or psa item, i can, no one else can, because no one else wants to and ebay isnt going to do anything about it.

morales isnt ebays favorite son, he is on the banned list. the bad psa and jsa items is every bit as horrible and bad as anyone else, they just have the right kind of cert for it to sell for hundred or thousands of dollars. its a fake of a higher order so to speak. a fake you can live with.

I found a Roy Campanella stamped signature in a PSA/DNA tomb that I posted on this site. ebay most certainly took it down.

But there are still a lot of the fake Hank Aaron signed Front Row cards in tombs that are on the site.

[travrosty]

that's the new slogan, thanks fudd, you cemented it,


psa and jsa certification, a fake you can live with!

i have now trademarked that phrase. t-shirts and hats coming right up.

i have a new parody song coming out soon.


to the music of "Born in the USA"

instead of springsteen's "born in the USA"

Buuuurned by P.S.A .

I was buuuuurned by P.S.A.

they make the rules up their own way,

I was buuuuurned by P.S.A.

more verses to come.

[GrayGhost]

I love the Boss Mr. Roste, and need MORE VERSES:)

[travrosty]

I love the Boss Mr. Roste, and need MORE VERSES:)


they are coming, they are coming,


burned by psa is going to the top of the charts.

[Exhibitman]

Geez, Travis, what did PSA ever do to you, because that's quite a tear you are on. I mean, I dislike the Evil Empire immensely but you've taken it to a whole new place. Fess up now; did Joe O. beat you up and stuff you in a locker in middle school?

[RichardSimon]

Geez, Travis, what did PSA ever do to you, because that's quite a tear you are on. I mean, I dislike the Evil Empire immensely but you've taken it to a whole new place. Fess up now; did Joe O. beat you up and stuff you in a locker in middle school?

I would tend to think that since PSA has screwed up so much on boxing that Travis would be more than a little angered by that.

[Leon]

Geez, Travis, what did PSA ever do to you, because that's quite a tear you are on. I mean, I dislike the Evil Empire immensely but you've taken it to a whole new place. Fess up now; did Joe O. beat you up and stuff you in a locker in middle school?

Not only that I think he took his lunch money too!!

[Big Dave]

To many people have just let these guys skate by for financial or other reasons. I have no problem with Travis' post about PSA/DNA or JSA .....or how many times he wishes to shine the light under the rock.

[travrosty]

they screwed up so many times, especially on boxing, that i am more than a little peeved. it's the number of screwups and the total disregard for any type of due diligence that allows for the ridiculous screwups that has me miffed. so i am peeved and miffed. if you only knew the half of it.

They claim that they are the world experts, isn't that just stupid? the WORLD'S experts. yeah right. There is no one in Moscow or Abu Dhabi or Jakarta that can hold a candle to them!

Bob Fitzsimmons wife signs his name for him and the worlds experts give it a cert and STILL have it up on psaautographfacts.com even after being notified, and me and mark o. figured out fitzsimmons signature eons ago and we can tell the wife and manager signed but PSA can't and then they reject Mark's real signed Fitzsimmons signed photo?

I still don't know Steve Grad's qualifications to be any type of boxing autograph authenticator, or authenticator for anything and I have been searching. No one in the boxing collectibles hobby had ever heard of him before, now he is suppose to be overlord of all of us? And as much as I see them as a complete incompetant joke, I get a cold splash of water in my face by the equally bad outfit called JSA. I mean really. They won't show exemplars. Why? What do they have to hide? Maybe they can't face up to the fact they don't know what they are doing.

They are such a joke that the joke has run its course. time to pull the plug on this joke.

[RichardSimon]

Ebay is once again still not pulling autographs down that are being reported by EMR members.

[RichardSimon]

This item has been reported three times by EMR members to ebay, yet it still sits there.

271176600158

[thetruthisoutthere]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271176600158&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

This item has been reported three times by EMR members to ebay, yet it still sits there.

These are photos of the forgeries listed by Ebay seller waikaloa.

These are horrid. Check out the Joe DiMaggio, Gil Hodges, Tommie Agee, Ralph Branca, etc., forgeries.

93049

93050

93051

93052

[toyman55]

The good news on that item Richard is that no one has bid on it YET! Those are the worst signatures I have seen.

[RichardSimon]

The good news on that item Richard is that no one has bid on it YET! Those are the worst signatures I have seen.

I am thinking now that it is not really a modern day forgery but an instance of one of those pieces that was "signed" when the piece was new and someone was just trying to impress their kids or someone by showing them how many famous players signed the piece. The seller should know better though.
But if it is a modern forgery than it is just amazingly bad.

[RichardSimon]

When did this happen? I must have missed it if something was posted regarding his move. It does sound like with the change of head cop, the policies (or attentiveness to them) has changed, which is very disappointing.

Ebay never made this info public, they were probably looking to avoid negative publicity.

[Fuddjcal]

they screwed up so many times, especially on boxing, that i am more than a little peeved. it's the number of screwups and the total disregard for any type of due diligence that allows for the ridiculous screwups that has me miffed. so i am peeved and miffed. if you only knew the half of it.

They claim that they are the world experts, isn't that just stupid? the WORLD'S experts. yeah right. There is no one in Moscow or Abu Dhabi or Jakarta that can hold a candle to them!

Bob Fitzsimmons wife signs his name for him and the worlds experts give it a cert and STILL have it up on psaautographfacts.com even after being notified, and me and mark o. figured out fitzsimmons signature eons ago and we can tell the wife and manager signed but PSA can't and then they reject Mark's real signed Fitzsimmons signed photo?

I still don't know Steve Grad's qualifications to be any type of boxing autograph authenticator, or authenticator for anything and I have been searching. No one in the boxing collectibles hobby had ever heard of him before, now he is suppose to be overlord of all of us? And as much as I see them as a complete incompetant joke, I get a cold splash of water in my face by the equally bad outfit called JSA. I mean really. They won't show exemplars. Why? What do they have to hide? Maybe they can't face up to the fact they don't know what they are doing.

They are such a joke that the joke has run its course. time to pull the plug on this joke.

I certainly see your point. Had I been collecting Boxing, I'd have to admit it would rile my feathers too. Between the PSA/JSA, the actual forgers and the FDE Rubber stampers, I know all I need to know about the industry..... and the first line to your song should be "I was, burned by THE PSA". It flows off the tongue much better.

[RichardSimon]

This Mantle piece of crap sold for $399 despite multiple EMR reports:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTLE-536-H-R-s-OAL-GENE-BUDIG-BASEBALL-W-COA-/160992658001?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item257be90251

Now the same seller is offering another Mantle crap ball:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTLE-536-H-R-s-OAL-GENE-BUDIG-BASEBALL-W-COA-/160995260160?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item257c10b700
Look at those "M"'s ,,, these baseballs are not even Florida crap, Florida would be embarrassed to sell crap like this.

Ebay is asleep at the switch. The sellers now know they can do whatever they want without fear of punishment or removal of their bogus crap.

Enough is enough ebay.
You are going to be contributing to horrid damage to the autograph hobby.
You must stop this horrid policy, you must stop these sellers of bogus autographs.
When the Operation Bullpen sellers were flooding ebay with crap I took direct action.
The time is fast approaching to do something again.

[jgmp123]

This item has been reported three times by EMR members to ebay, yet it still sits there.

271176600158
LOL!!!
Here is the response I received from the seller:

Hello, Thank you for your concern regarding our listing. Our reputation IS everything and we have listed a legit item with an honest description. We can personally verify the provenance of this listing and it is authentic.

[RichardSimon]

ebay will claim that they are not responsible for what happens on its boards.
But when you have an EMR team that you have recruited, a team that works for nothing (except for their delightful Christmas gifts :D, the cheap water bottle did not keep cold drinks cold or hot drinks hot), then you are accepting the fact that bogus items are being listed on your board. You have to accept the responsibility for that and maintain at least minimal vigilance. They have stopped doing that. They have placed profit above all else. There is something wrong here and it must be stopped.

[HRBAKER]

To many people have just let these guys skate by for financial or other reasons. I have no problem with Travis' post about PSA/DNA or JSA .....or how many times he wishes to shine the light under the rock.

Agreed. Right more often than wrong, so what. Everyone is subject to scrutiny. World Class Marketing skills do not equate to non-questioned expertise does it?

[travrosty]

Agreed. Right more often than wrong, so what. Everyone is subject to scrutiny. World Class Marketing skills do not equate to non-questioned expertise does it?



That is correct, they have a marketing machine to try to cover up their inadequacies. getting more right than wrong doesn't impress me. most people can do that. their "wrongs" are collosal wrongs that cannot be explained by making a 'simple mistake'.

[thetruthisoutthere]

That is correct, they have a marketing machine to try to cover up their inadequacies. getting more right than wrong doesn't impress me. most people can do that. their "wrongs" are collosal wrongs that cannot be explained by making a 'simple mistake'.

Does your comment apply to Todd "Da Man" Mueller?

[travrosty]

Does your comment apply to Todd "Da Man" Mueller?

he is not a third party authenticator, he is a dealer who backs up his offerings with a money back guarantee, psa, jsa guarantee nothing.

[thetruthisoutthere]

he is not a third party authenticator, he is a dealer who backs up his offerings with a money back guarantee, psa, jsa guarantee nothing.

By the way, I was recently given a "badge of honor" by Travis, Mueller and their cowardly cronies.

More on this in the very near future.

[RichardSimon]

This merry go round keeps spinning, apparently they are removing autograph items again but the card side is still having problems.

[RichardSimon]

The merry go round will not stop. For the last 72 hours ebay has not acted on EMR reports.
The following has been sent to ebay:

"What the heck is going on ever there!!! I've been reporting this
crap for three days and they are still up!!! And my other reports are being
ignored, too. What is going on over there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't know if the technical glitch has reared its ugly head again or ebay is really not giving a crap about EMR reports of bad autographs. Either way, it sux.

[Scott Garner]

Geez, Travis, what did PSA ever do to you, because that's quite a tear you are on. I mean, I dislike the Evil Empire immensely but you've taken it to a whole new place. Fess up now; did Joe O. beat you up and stuff you in a locker in middle school?

LOL :p

[collectbaseball]

What does one do when they uncover a forger who has been active on ebay for a decade with thousands upon thousands of positive feedback?

[RichardSimon]

What does one do when they uncover a forger who has been active on ebay for a decade with thousands upon thousands of positive feedback?

When John G. was in charge of removing fraud you could have had something done.
Now you may as well be pissing in the wind.

[thetruthisoutthere]

When John G. was in charge of removing fraud you could have had something done.
Now you may as well be pissing in the wind.


The below was reported at least a dozen times.


The seller (turtle_t38) accepted a Best Offer of $1050.00.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Lou-Gehrig-Ty-Cobb-autograph-baseball-/261191057615?nma=true&si=daq%252BSAJoUp1wifFCmzuDC%252BEYZsE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

94036

94037

94038


A few days later the buyer (now Ebay seller profe920) receives it and immediately lists (starting bid $1500.00) the Ruth, Gehrig and Cobb forgeries with a COA from Drew Max.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Lou-Gehrig-Ty-Cobb-Autographed-Spalding-Baseball-AAU-COA-/221207861326

94039

94040

[RichardSimon]

And the merry-go-round keeps spinning.

[travrosty]

ebay has gone round the bend, has been for awhile, it's favorites or get dumped.

[RichardSimon]

The ball was reported with the original seller and then a thread was started on Autograph Magazine Live. The seller then dropped his price like a lead balloon and took $1050 for the ball. $1050 for a ball that should be $25K-$30K. Lovely.
The ball has been reported again. Anyone want to bet on it being removed now?
I won't hold my breath on it being removed.

[thetruthisoutthere]

The below was reported at least a dozen times.


The seller (turtle_t38) accepted a Best Offer of $1050.00.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Lou-Gehrig-Ty-Cobb-autograph-baseball-/261191057615?nma=true&si=daq%252BSAJoUp1wifFCmzuDC%252BEYZsE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

94036

94037

94038


A few days later the buyer (now Ebay seller profe920) receives it and immediately lists (starting bid $1500.00) the Ruth, Gehrig and Cobb forgeries with a COA from Drew Max.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Lou-Gehrig-Ty-Cobb-Autographed-Spalding-Baseball-AAU-COA-/221207861326

94039

94040


This has been removed.

[thetruthisoutthere]

A member on another site where I also posted this crap, questioned whether the original sale ever took place.

I looked at my screen shots and noticed that both EBay sellers (turtle_t38 and profe92) have their location listed as Wisconsin.

The main thing is that EBay did remove the second listing of that garbage.