People In Glass Houses.....

[thetruthisoutthere]

Joe Jackson autograph? Seriously?

88854

[thetruthisoutthere]

Cy Young?

88859

[jgmp123]

Chris,

Where are these from?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Harry Chadwick sig?


88917

[Scott Garner]

From your loving old husband, Henry Chadwick!

That inscription makes perfect sense to me...
It was nice of Henry to sign his note to his wife with both his first and last name :rolleyes:

[thetruthisoutthere]

These did not originate from Coach's Corner.

[Bestdj777]

At least he included his picture so she would know which husband....

[thetruthisoutthere]

Ty Cobb? Really?

88999

[shelly]

Chris, I respect you for showing all the bad autographs you have purchased but please tell me why you are now showing them off.:confused: I live in a house they can throw rocks at.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Chris, I respect you for showing all the bad autographs you have purchased but please tell me why you are now showing them off.:confused: I live in a house they can throw rocks at.

Very funny, Shelly.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Dan Brouthers?

89027

[earlywynnfan]

Am I the only one missing the point of this thread?? Is Chris building up to some giant "So and So authenticated these" unveiling?

Ken

[Mr. Zipper]

Is Chris building up to some giant "So and So authenticated these" unveiling?

Ken

I don't think who "authenticated" them is the issue. ;)

[Runscott]

Please don't post my bad Jethro Pugh signatures :(

[Leon]

Am I the only one missing the point of this thread?? Is Chris building up to some giant "So and So authenticated these" unveiling?

Ken

Yes, I missed it too. Chris sort of explained some things to me personally but I am still mostly in the dark (kind of like a mushroom some would say)...

[HRBAKER]

The suspense is killing me.
You can never have enough drama over on the autograph side.

[GrayGhost]

The suspense is killing me.
You can never have enough drama over on the autograph side.

+1

[Forever Young]

The suspense is killing me.
You can never have enough drama over on the autograph side.

My guess is.. Chris is calling out a hypocrite(s). I am also waiting for the boom.

[prewarsports]

Its gotta be a Peter Nash thing.

[HRBAKER]

My guess is.. Chris is calling out a hypocrite(s). I am also waiting for the boom.

Ben,
I think you are right.
I was just speaking to the dramatic reveal. :)

[Forever Young]

Its gotta be a Peter Nash thing.

Whoever it is, they have no business criticizing anything. That is, if they created these.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Nap Lajoie?

89167

[thetruthisoutthere]

Frank Selee?

89268

[GrayGhost]

Seriously, what are these awful forgeries?

[Runscott]

I'm afraid I know how this is going to end...if it does, get ready for an autograph sub-forum meltdown.


No balls, please.

[GrayGhost]

I don't know how its going to end, but I sure hope it doesn't end in a meltdown. Yes, the debate is nuts at times on the sub forum, but I've learned a lot also, and enjoy giving my limited opinions.

Chris, David and Shelley, how bout getting along for the good of the rest of us who want to enjoy the forum?

[shelly]

More than my pleasure:)

[shelly]

I have a feeling like some other people on here that they are from Peter Nash:D

[jgmp123]

I have a feeling like some other people on here that they are from Peter Nash:D

+1

[mighty bombjack]

I don't want to further the speculation at this point, but what would "from Peter Nash" even mean? In his PC? Does he sell stuff?

[shelly]

Good question. I think these might have been items that he sold in the past.:confused:

[thetruthisoutthere]

Al Spalding?

89358

[Runscott]

Chris, could we have the punchline please?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Cy Young autograph?

89393

[GrayGhost]

I'm out of popcorn Chris. We know these are bad autographs, and why do they look like crayon, many of them? Just awful..

I just have a feeling that the excrement is gonna hit the bladed thingy that cools us down in the summer soon. ;)

[slidekellyslide]

Chris, could we have the punchline please?

Yes...how about a little follow through?

[HRBAKER]

Dan,
Don't erode the drama quotient.
This is the auto side after all. :D

[slidekellyslide]

Dan,
Don't erode the drama quotient.
This is the auto side after all. :D

Yeah, I know. I've virtually given up trying to moderate any type of peace between the usual suspects, but I hate threads and posts with innuendo and no payoff. There's so much secrecy going on in this group, it's ridiculous.

---------------------------------------------------------

"well, 4 out of 5 experts agree with me"

"Who are they?"

"I can't tell you that"

"Why not?"

"Because I promised them I wouldn't"

---------------------------------------------------------

I question the expertise of anyone afraid to put their name out there. And I question threads like these that drag on for days on end only leaving more questions and a sense that this hobby is not one to be entered into at all.

[HRBAKER]

The Autograph Cognoscenti

Yeah, I know. I've virtually given up trying to moderate any type of peace between the usual suspects, but I hate threads and posts with innuendo and no payoff. There's so much secrecy going on in this group, it's ridiculous.

---------------------------------------------------------

"well, 4 out of 5 experts agree with me"

"Who are they?"

"I can't tell you that"

"Why not?"

"Because I promised them I wouldn't"

---------------------------------------------------------

I question the expertise of anyone afraid to put their name out there. And I question threads like these that drag on for days on end only leaving more questions and a sense that this hobby is not one to be entered into at all.

[Runscott]

Well, I hope the punchline ends up sucking, because I'm going to miss it.

You guys tell me about it if it happens.

[vintagechris]

Yeah, I know. I've virtually given up trying to moderate any type of peace between the usual suspects, but I hate threads and posts with innuendo and no payoff. There's so much secrecy going on in this group, it's ridiculous.

---------------------------------------------------------

"well, 4 out of 5 experts agree with me"

"Who are they?"

"I can't tell you that"

"Why not?"

"Because I promised them I wouldn't"

---------------------------------------------------------

I question the expertise of anyone afraid to put their name out there. And I question threads like these that drag on for days on end only leaving more questions and a sense that this hobby is not one to be entered into at all.

Agreed. Borderline childish if you ask me.

[vintagechris]

Just went and checked when this thread "started". 5 days ago and no real substance. I'm with Scott, if something earth shattering comes of it, someone please tell me, otherwise I've lost interest.

[HRBAKER]

Just went and checked when this thread "started". 5 days ago and no real substance. I'm with Scott, if something earth shattering comes of it, someone please tell me, otherwise I've lost interest.

Kind of like a stripper with 30 pieces of clothing on, eh?

[travrosty]

it's just a diversion from the current bad and stolen stuff coming up at auction with the bad loa's from the jack of no trades authenticators. there is no excuse or explanation coming forthwith, so let's blame someone else.



classic people's court episode.

judge: so you have been accused of not paying rent to the landlord for the past six months.


defendant- with no excuse: well...well... uhmmm... (pointing across the aisle) he smokes weed!

[Runscott]

Tony Lazerri autograph? Seriously?

[Runscott]

........never mind I'm being inexcusably evil.

[dgo71]

Tony Lazerri autograph? Seriously?

Ha....

[Runscott]

I can't avoid a train wreck (see icon).

I think everyone should participate in this thread. Who knows? Perhaps that is exactly what Chris intended, but he wanted to let us figure that out on our own.

[David Atkatz]

Yeah, I know. I've virtually given up trying to moderate any type of peace between the usual suspects, but I hate threads and posts with innuendo and no payoff. There's so much secrecy going on in this group, it's ridiculous.

---------------------------------------------------------

"well, 4 out of 5 experts agree with me"

"Who are they?"

"I can't tell you that"

"Why not?"

"Because I promised them I wouldn't"

---------------------------------------------------------

I question the expertise of anyone afraid to put their name out there. And I question threads like these that drag on for days on end only leaving more questions and a sense that this hobby is not one to be entered into at all.Someone else noticed the Emperor has no clothes!

[jgmp123]

Babe Ruth...

[clutch]

Mickey Mantle on a 3x5 index card

[GrayGhost]

Mickey Mantle on a 3x5 index card

I love Mickey, Mickey who? Mickey Mantle. oooooooo I love you, Not Yogi Berra? oooooo I love you......

Wonderful vintage Mickey index card. you even have a photo of him signing it..:p

[RichardSimon]

Tony Lazerri autograph? Seriously?

+1,,, well done Scott.
could it have been ghost signed by Ty Cobb?

[Big Dave]

This tread is just plain stupid and a waste of board space and time.

Lock it.

[mighty bombjack]

This tread is just plain stupid and a waste of board space and time.

Lock it.

If Chris doesn't bring this to some larger point that he wants to make, it does need to be locked. We could post fakes all day, but I don't think it's fair to allow continued speculation about where these came from.

[HRBAKER]

Assume for a minute that these all have to do with Mr. Nash (I have NO idea but it has been speculated above), I don't think anybody ever tried to impute to him any sort of noble intentions; does it necessarily make everything he says/uncovers/prints false? Or rather does it require a greater deal of scrutiny due to the origin? Or should it be discounted altogether?

[slidekellyslide]

Assume for a minute that these all have to do with Mr. Nash (I have NO idea but it has been speculated above), I don't think anybody ever tried to impute to him any sort of noble intentions; does it necessarily make everything he says/uncovers/prints false? Or rather does it require a greater deal of scrutiny due to the origin? Or should it be discounted altogether?

The entirety of his website is more about retribution than it is in recovering stolen items from the NYPL and Hall of Fame and cleaning up the hobby.. Does anyone doubt that if his misdeeds were still unknown that he'd be doing any of this "sleuthing"? However with that said most of what he's putting out there is pretty damning and I don't see too many people refuting any of it.

[RichardSimon]

most of what he's putting out there is pretty damning and I don't see too many people refuting any of it.

+1

[Runscott]

Read the following (written by Peter Nash, himself) and you'll understand how great he is.

Amazing how Hamilton was able to get Peter Nash in touch with his dark side, purely through analyzing his handwriting :confused:

"But from 1989 to 1995 Nash experienced the dark side of the baseball collectibles field as he discovered, with the help of his friend and world renowned handwriting expert Charles Hamilton, that close to a quarter million dollars worth of materials he’d purchased were either bogus or stolen goods. Some of the stolen items were believed to originate from the collections of the New York Public Library and the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. Over the past fifteen years, Nash has conducted his own personal investigation into the hobby, which now constitutes the backdrop for his compelling exposé on the fraud-ridden industry. In particular, Nash has succeeded in unraveling some of the hobby’s greatest mysteries involving massive thefts from the historical baseball collections housed at the New York Public Library, Boston Public Library and National Baseball Hall of Fame. "

[Forever Young]

Read the following (written by Peter Nash, himself) and you'll understand how great he is.

Amazing how Hamilton was able to get Peter Nash in touch with his dark side, purely through analyzing his handwriting :confused:

"But from 1989 to 1995 Nash experienced the dark side of the baseball collectibles field as he discovered, with the help of his friend and world renowned handwriting expert Charles Hamilton, that close to a quarter million dollars worth of materials he’d purchased were either bogus or stolen goods. Some of the stolen items were believed to originate from the collections of the New York Public Library and the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. Over the past fifteen years, Nash has conducted his own personal investigation into the hobby, which now constitutes the backdrop for his compelling exposé on the fraud-ridden industry. In particular, Nash has succeeded in unraveling some of the hobby’s greatest mysteries involving massive thefts from the historical baseball collections housed at the New York Public Library, Boston Public Library and National Baseball Hall of Fame. "

So Nash was a victim and now a hero???

[Runscott]

So Nash was a victim and now a hero???

According to an unbiased 3rd-party source named 'Nash', yes, apparently so.

However, Haulsofshame eventually does exposes on any questionable element in the hobby, so I'm sure they will be investigating Peter Nash soon. If that occurs, we have a board member who might be able to provide him advice on suing himself.

[HRBAKER]

According to an unbiased 3rd-party source named 'Nash', yes, apparently so.

However, Haulsofshame eventually does exposes on any questionable element in the hobby, so I'm sure they will be investigating Peter Nash soon. If that occurs, we have a board member who might be able to provide him advice on suing himself.

Scott,
I like where you're headed with this. Funny.

[David Atkatz]

I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors. (Ya'll know who they are.)

Can Peter be full of himself? Yeah. He can. So what?

Keep up the good work, Peter.

And thanks. We all owe you.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Billy Hamilton and Jimmy Collins autographed baseball?

89441

[thetruthisoutthere]

If Leon wishes to lock this thread that is fine with me.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors. (Ya'll know who they are.)

Can Peter be full of himself? Yeah. He can. So what?

Keep up the good work, Peter.

And thanks. We all owe you.

That, Mr. Atkatz, was touching.

[David Atkatz]

That, Mr. Atkatz, was touching.Glad you approve!

[jgmp123]

Can we please delete this thread and keep the spamming to a minimum. How is this any different than the "BrooklynDodgers6969" guy that spams the board with garbage posts??

[thetruthisoutthere]

Babe Ruth autographed baseball.

89442

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz
I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors.
----
(David is still on my block list but Chris quoted him).

David - name one time you have stepped up as a hobby protector, other than posting here, which hardly earns anyone a title as hobby protector.
There are several people here who have stepped up and contacted auctioneers about bad items. There are people here who have contacted law enforcement agencies. Have you done any of that? I would wager that you have done nothing. If I am wrong, then I apologize. Tell us David, have you done anything like that? If you have, you have never posted it here.
And I guarantee you that Chris and a few others here have done major, major work as hobby protectors, with law enforcement, and not just posts on a forum. And I believe though there is discontent about this thread, that the board knows that Chris has done a lot for the hobby.

[Fuddjcal]

I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors. (Ya'll know who they are.)

Can Peter be full of himself? Yeah. He can. So what?

Keep up the good work, Peter.

And thanks. We all owe you.

I like reading his stuff too. It's useful for the hobby. I don't care if it's self serving, at least he's putting himself out there.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz
I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors.
----
(David is still on my block list but Chris quoted him).

David - name one time you have stepped up as a hobby protector, other than posting here, which hardly earns anyone a title as hobby protector.
There are several people here who have stepped up and contacted auctioneers about bad items. There are people here who have contacted law enforcement agencies. Have you done any of that? I would wager that you have done nothing. If I am wrong, then I apologize. Tell us David, have you done anything like that?
And I guarantee you that Chris and a few others here have done major, major work as hobby protectors, with law enforcement, and not just posts on a forum. And I believe though there is discontent about this thread, that the board knows that Chris has done a lot for the hobby.

Wow, those were my thoughts exactly, Richard.

There has been stuff going on for years that myself and two others cannot write or talk about yet. Aside from that, we have done a tremendous amount of good that no one ever hears or reads about.

Our knees don't shake and our hands don't tremble at the slightest hint of a threat or intimidation.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz
I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors.
----
(David is still on my block list but Chris quoted him).

David - name one time you have stepped up as a hobby protector, other than posting here, which hardly earns anyone a title as hobby protector.
There are several people here who have stepped up and contacted auctioneers about bad items. There are people here who have contacted law enforcement agencies. Have you done any of that? I would wager that you have done nothing. If I am wrong, then I apologize. Tell us David, have you done anything like that? If you have, you have never posted it here.
And I guarantee you that Chris and a few others here have done major, major work as hobby protectors, with law enforcement, and not just posts on a forum. And I believe though there is discontent about this thread, that the board knows that Chris has done a lot for the hobby.I NEVER meant myself, Richard. I have never made any claim to such a thing.

Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote. I certainly was not giving much credit to the self-proclaimed heroes. (yourself included.)

[RichardSimon]

Sorry David, you are on block, your blather is not being read by me.
But I am sure it is critical of people who are active in the fight against crime in the hobby.
Despite attempts at intimidation, despite verbal and written threats, the fight continues and Chris is at the forefront of it.

[David Atkatz]

Wow, those were my thoughts exactly, Richard.

There has been stuff going on for years that myself and two others cannot write or talk about yet. Aside from that, we have done a tremendous amount of good that no one ever hears or reads about.

Our knees don't shake and our hands don't tremble at the slightest hint of a threat or intimidation.Nope. They certainly don't tremble. You wouldn't be able to pat yourself on the back so grandly if they did!

(Now, let's hear again, how I stopped posting after receiving a lawyer's letter. It never happened, but it does make for a good post. And it is all you've got--even if it's not true.)

PS: LOVE the "cannot write or talk about it" stuff. Keep it up!

[RichardSimon]

I am so honored, not reading the posts of someone who apparently loves to read mine. He posts immediately after I do, so I assume I am being read by David.
Time to watch the rest of the Rangers game :( and then Justified. I am done for the nite. Have fun guys.

[David Atkatz]

It's true, Richard! I hang on your every word. (And I LOVE your creative use of emoticons!)

[earlywynnfan]

"and then Justified."

Best friggin' show on TV!!!!

Ken

[jgmp123]

So can we just make this the "dumpster" thread...trash in, trash out...

Oh wow, IU just lost again...

[Fuddjcal]

I appreciate all of you.:)

[mighty bombjack]

Assume for a minute that these all have to do with Mr. Nash (I have NO idea but it has been speculated above), I don't think anybody ever tried to impute to him any sort of noble intentions; does it necessarily make everything he says/uncovers/prints false? Or rather does it require a greater deal of scrutiny due to the origin? Or should it be discounted altogether?

I love the haulsofshame website and am glad that he is doing the work that he is, but I think that Nash's history in this hobby does make his assertions subject to a greater deal of scrutiny. When Richard posted in the thread about the Yankees ball that he had spoken to a number of individuals who didn't like the ball, I believed him because he has a stellar reputation and doesn't appear driven by an agenda. I am much less prone to believe much of what is said by the anonymous "experts" quoted by Nash. He has an agenda and it is skewing his journalism. I happily read what he writes with that in mind.

[Tuna82]

I love the haulsofshame website and am glad that he is doing the work that he is, but I think that Nash's history in this hobby does make his assertions subject to a greater deal of scrutiny. When Richard posted in the thread about the Yankees ball that he had spoken to a number of individuals who didn't like the ball, I believed him because he has a stellar reputation and doesn't appear driven by an agenda. I am much less prone to believe much of what is said by the anonymous "experts" quoted by Nash. He has an agenda and it is skewing his journalism. I happily read what he writes with that in mind.

well said...

[Runscott]

This thread is frustrating, but only because I know Chris is up to something, and like the guy who doesn't want to wait all night to see if he won something in Legendary, I want to know what Chris is up to ..... NOW! :)

But more importantly - why do so many people here like 'Justified'? I thought it sucked. Maybe it's because I only watched two episodes?

Currently watching 'Life' and 'Touch' - enjoying both quite a bit.


(I want to post another bad autograph, but I can't find any worse than that green Lazzeri). Here it is again, since I for one, can't get enough ugly:

[E93]

Isn't Peter Nash paying off a nearly 7 figure civil settlement for creating and consigning fraudulent 19th century baseball memorabilia? That makes it hard for me to believe anything he says on his born-again website.
JimB

[thetruthisoutthere]

Mr. Atkatz, what is your opinion of the autograph items I have posted here?

Do you believe they are authentic or not?

[David Atkatz]

Mr. Atkatz, what is your opinion of the autograph items I have posted here?

Do you believe they are authentic or not?I couldn't care less about the autographs you have presented here.

Don't try to use me to help you make your point. If these autographs have something to do with Nash, cut the drama, quit being a diva, and say so.

But it doesn't matter to me either way. (Just like Shelly's past no longer matters.) I appreciate what he does now.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Nope. They certainly don't tremble. You wouldn't be able to pat yourself on the back so grandly if they did!

(Now, let's hear again, how I stopped posting after receiving a lawyer's letter. It never happened, but it does make for a good post. And it is all you've got--even if it's not true.)

PS: LOVE the "cannot write or talk about it" stuff. Keep it up!

Below is a gift I received from a good friend for Christmas.

It is a copy of the book "Operation Bullpen." It's a gift I will cherish forever.


Inside on the first page of the book is a note addressed to me from Tim. Yes, that Tim.

89478

[jgmp123]

I couldn't care less about the autographs you have presented here.

Don't try to use me to help you make your point. If these autographs have something to do with Nash, cut the drama, quit being a diva, and say so.

But it doesn't matter to me either way. (Just like Shelly's past no longer matters.) I appreciate what he does now.

+1. We all know Shelly's past and I'm pretty sure nearly everyone here has been helped in some way by Shelly and his knowledge of the hobby.
Just because someone has made a mistake, doesn't mean they aren't still able to add value. Nash adds a great deal of value to this hobby, just as Shelly does.

I will say thank you Shelly for what you bring to the hobby. You had the choice to turn your back and walk away, but you stuck around and am now helping some of the "young guys" like myself.

James

[Runscott]

Finally....the pimple is about to burst

[Scott Garner]

Finally....the pimple is about to burst

LOL :eek:

[shelly]

James, I want to thank you for what you said. I promised a lot of people that I would not even think of replying to anything that piece of work said. I do again have to reply. If there is a human on this site thinks what he said about me is fact. I will sell you every autograph that Chris posted plus the Ruth ball{which I thought was authentic until I saw the shakes} :(
Quote, from the phd.

But it doesn't matter to me either way. (Just like Shelly's past no longer matters.) I appreciate what he does now.
Just read what he said in the last 48 hours. You can take what he says from now on.

Not a chance in hell.:eek:

[David Atkatz]

You're quite correct, Shelly. "That piece of work" was referring to Peter. I appreciate what Peter does now.

(As far as I can discern, except for pointing out the occasional Mantle forgery--and who better to know one than a former dealer in Mantle forgeries?--you perform no useful service, at all.)

[RichardSimon]

Below is a gift I received from a good friend for Christmas.

It is a copy of the book "Operation Bullpen." It's a gift I will cherish forever.


Inside on the first page of the book is a note addressed to me from Tim. Yes, that Tim.

89478

Very cool for certain.
Way to go Chris.

[Fuddjcal]

You're quite correct, Shelly. "That piece of work" was referring to Peter. I appreciate what Peter does now.

(As far as I can discern, except for pointing out the occasional Mantle forgery--and who better to know one than a former dealer in Mantle forgeries?--you perform no useful service, at all.)

He's a contributor on this site, much like you and I David. The hobby does need him here and pointing out the endless Mantle forgeries. That's were many knumbskulls start their autograph hobby. They quickly find it's a cess pool out there and they either stay or go. I certainly don't jump in much and sell much more than I buy these days. So many forgeries, so little time.

I agree that we need to get to the punchline of this thread. I don't know any of these signatures so I can't comment on them.

[GrayGhost]

This has gone beyond entertainment. Chris has shown a bunch of really lousy looking "autographs". But, this stringing it out and then having Shelly and David in the middle of it is tiring. Just like Travis on his PSA and JSA rants.

I love the knowledge I gain on here, but in the end, this is sounding like the old wrestling board I used to be a member of. Personal attacks and grudges.

Guys, your knowledge is so welcome, but this stuff...should be taken elsewhere. JMWO

Scott Roberts

[shelly]

This has gone beyond entertainment. Chris has shown a bunch of really lousy looking "autographs". But, this stringing it out and then having Shelly and David in the middle of it is tiring. Just like Travis on his PSA and JSA rants.

I love the knowledge I gain on here, but in the end, this is sounding like the old wrestling board I used to be a member of. Personal attacks and grudges.

Guys, your knowledge is so welcome, but this stuff...should be taken elsewhere. JMWO

Scott Roberts

+1

[sdkammeyer]

I like cheese. I love root beer. I also like to walk barefoot in the sand on warm sunny days. I don't like liver and onions very much .... but I will eat it if I have to. I like to fish, but I do not hunt. I enjoy being outdoors, but only in nice weather.

[Runscott]

The pimple grows...

Someone get a pin

[shelly]

Steve, just in case I have a great liver and onion recipe.:)

[GrayGhost]

Steve, just in case I have a great liver and onion recipe.:)

Put some crispy bacon with it, make it well done and send it on up to me here in CT. I LOVE LIVER AND ONIONS and Real Shoeless Joe signatures:p

[sdkammeyer]

Steve, just in case I have a great liver and onion recipe.:)

I might have to get that from you!! :)

I also drive on parkways and park on driveways. I believe that sports is the original "reality television".

Rainbows are awesome ... double rainbows are more rare than no-hitters.

I admire people who sacrifice their own time, with no financial gain, to better the hobby with one-of-a-kind information.

I firmly believe that heaven exists.

I think that Christmas has become overrated. Valentines day too.

[shelly]

If you promise to end this i will give you the recipe;)

[Runscott]

Steve, why your sudden interest in this thread? If you are trying to 'out-stupid' Chris, you won hands-down.

[Leon]

Steve is suspended. Anyone else want to act like a maroon?

and I just deleted 25 of Steve's idiotic posts.....as well as 17 of Big Dave's posts.

[Big Dave]

Leon...I believe he was just showing the ridiculous that this thread has become. It has been going on for a week.....to what purpose? If Chris has a point to make, a finger to point, or an allegation against someone...then have him get to the point...

[Leon]

Leon...I believe he was just showing the ridiculous that this thread has become. It has been going on for a week.....to what purpose? If Chris has a point to make, a finger to point, or an allegation against someone...then have him get to the point...

You guys made a point and so did I.....42 total deletions later. Every single post I deleted had nothing to do with the hobby. Yes, Chris is being a bit evasive but there is a method to his madness. And it should be rather obvious who he is talking about anyway. On the other hand no one is going to hold threads or this board hostage the way you and Steve were posting. This one post, in this thread (that I am responding to) is all you had to say to get your point across. I hate censoring anything or deleting anything but if it's for the betterment of the board, imo, then so be it. Every post I deleted was completely and 100% void of anything to do with anything in this thread or the hobby.

PS.. I reinstated Steve but I don't want anyone hijacking a thread with a gazillion insane posts. It makes the board look bad. Please PM me for help before it comes to that. I understand the covertness of this thread but that doesn't mean everyone can hijack it.

[jgmp123]

Leon,

At the same time, what Chris is doing is making the board look bad. I get that he has done some great things for the hobby, but he really shouldn't get a pass...

[Leon]

Leon,

At the same time, what Chris is doing is making the board look bad. I get that he has done some great things for the hobby, but he really shouldn't get a pass...

So a few folks should PM me and I can have a chat with Chris about it. Taking over the thread, or the board, isn't the way to accomplish anything. Sorry, but it wasn't even close in my mind, 42 completely erroneous posts in a row just upset me. What can I say?

[earlywynnfan]

Leon,

At the same time, what Chris is doing is making the board look bad. I get that he has done some great things for the hobby, but he really shouldn't get a pass...

Agreed. What has this post led to? Another pissing match with the regulars and finger-pointing amongst everyone. This is worse than gossip.

Ken

[earlywynnfan]

Sorry, Leon, guess I was typing at the same time as you.

Ken

[Leon]

Sorry, Leon, guess I was typing at the same time as you.

Ken

That's ok Ken. Like I said, if several folks are upset and several folks PM me I promise I will help. I always have. That is the way it should be done.

[Big Dave]

I expressed how I felt about this thread 6 pages ago....yet here we are with the same as then.

[Leon]

I expressed how I felt about this thread 6 pages ago....yet here we are with the same as then.

And when did you PM me? Like I said, instead of taking over the thread, you, Steve, and whomever else should have got a hold of me. I have never, that I remember, been accused of not helping someone when asked. I always at least try and most times am successful. This would have been no different.

PS...this should only be your 2nd page...you can set how many posts per page all the way up to 80 in your user control panel.....this is barely the 2nd page for me.

[Leon]

If Leon wishes to lock this thread that is fine with me.

I think the easiest thing to do at this point is what the originator of the thread said is fine with him. Lock it.
All I ask is that in the future, before anyone blows a gasket, get a hold of me to help. I will always try or give an explanation of why I can't. I do think this is concerning a self proclaimed white knight, who a few have mentioned and already stated in the thread. But I don't know, for sure, as Chris never told me either.