The Nun's Wagner

[Leon]

So our poster who has the Wagner would like to come back on the board. I think he wants to explain himself. I didn't want the other thread being able to be edited, for the moment, so this thread. And I am going to reinstate Andrew and we can take it from there....Not sure how else to accomplish letting him back and protecting the other thread's posts.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Clearly Photoshopped. Look at the slab. The corners are square. Come on!

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88528&stc=1&d=1361245035

[Jacklitsch]

I tend to agree that it looks photoshopped. Slab appears a bit larger than normal.

[ullmandds]

Who's the bozo on tv?

[flavius]

Even if it is photoshopped, this is a trade you are obviously going to do in person. If he doesn't have the card, he won't get yours.

I would encourage him to post a 5-10 second video with the card.

[TNP777]

I'm pretty sure I know who manufactured that dresser.

[ctownboy]

1) If he owns the card then what is the story behind it?

2) Why he is willing to sell it for $75,000 when the last sale, to the Dr. in Philadelphia, was for $220,000?

David

[Al C.risafulli]

That's pretty cool how the slab sticks to his fingers like that without his fingers really touching the sides. Is he Spider-Man? But, like, TINY Spider-Man, since the slab is almost as big as his entire face.

I don't know what Heritage was thinking; nuns consigning a card is nowhere NEAR as interesting as Tiny Spider-Man consigning it.

-Al

[Shoele$$]

Thread of the year yet??......:)

Gotta agree though, those corners are like perfect points on that slab :rolleyes:

Give him some points on creativity though....

[ullmandds]

I Dont know...the kids room is a mess! Clothes on the floor...lotion and paper towel near the tv...he doesnt look like the cool kid on the boat surrounded by hotties?!

I bet wags is sticky!:confused:

[queencitysportscards]

Look at the reflection in the back mirror...see anything? If he was indeed holding the card it would show up in the mirror in the background...

[novakjr]

Hmmm! 3 bottles of lotion, a roll of paper towels, what appears to be some sort of gay porn-star on the tv, and the complete and total look of shame on his face.. I wonder what's going on there?:eek::eek::eek:

Edited to add: Damn, Peter. You beat me to it.. No pun intended.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Whenever you scan an SGC slab, there are certain glare marks around the edge of the holder from the scanner. If you blow up his pic and compare the Wagner he is holding to the Wagner in the original pics, the glare marks are identical.

[aclinton1107]

leon let me back on the board. I didnt know this was worth as much as it is. with this in mind i am going to list the card if i do somewhere else. I didnt mean to stir up this amount of chaos as I do use this board alot and am always diligent in my transactions.
thanks
andrew

[JollyElm]

The card holder edges--top, bottom and side to side--are perfectly parallel to the top, bottom and sides of the picture he submitted.
PERFECTLY PARALLEL. A PERFECT RECTANGLE.
I used the selection tool in photoshop (dotted line) to illustrate the point in this blow-up.

So the Wagner is absolutely flat in reference to the photographer's vantage point. That occurring naturally is as close to impossible as you can get.

I don't know the guy, so I lack a horse in this race, but he obviously held something (perhaps a graded card), took a picture and then superimposed a 'professional' scan of the Wagner in front of it.

[vintagetoppsguy]

If you're gonna try to scam someone, do it up right. Let me help you out, bro...

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x137/vintagetoppsguy/Presentation1_zpsf31467ba.jpg

[sbfinley]

Seems legit. It really is the little things in life that make me happy. I've got a two hour ride home right now and this thread should make it bearable.

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[npa589]

This is awesome.

You sir, are ridiculous...

[Matthew H]

Doesn't KO have that card?

[npa589]

I'm waiting for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHZZ5bwASU

[CW]

Damn, he's got some sweet stuff!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Republicaninmass]

I was hoping someone would post a picture of the "Topps" kid (kid on the topps wax cases I believe). holding up the card in a "wow" fashion and then superimpose the Wagner.

[Jlighter]

Doesn't KO have that card?

I'm pretty sure this guy owns it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcrvKWV0mxQ

[wonkaticket]

LOL Chuck.

[D. Bergin]

Look at the reflection in the back mirror...see anything? If he was indeed holding the card it would show up in the mirror in the background...


LOL! :D

Actually, you can see his hand in the mirror...........and he's not holding anything!

This is just precious.

[Shoele$$]

I wonder if he'll take a Cobb bat off Sweet Cap for the Mona Lisa......

[milkit1]

Vampire card! I'm smelling a twilight sequel!

[ctownboy]

Guys, guys, guys, don't you get it? He owns a VAMPIRE T206 Wagner!!!! You can see it when you look at it but its reflection wont appear in a mirror......

David

[stewbacca]

Check out the Tobacco BST section. He has decided to list it somewhere else.

[Jlighter]

Edited: Unnecessary.

[TNP777]

If it ever makes it to auction, there had darn well better be full transparency, not any of that whack-ass semi-transparency that litters eBay.

[Shoele$$]

Vampire card! I'm smelling a twilight sequel!

Now I'm even more interested in buying it, that card is sick! Doesn't even give off a reflection :eek:

[Leon]

Now I'm even more interested in buying it, that card is sick! Doesn't even give off a reflection :eek:

It's a vampire card!!

[bobbyw8469]

I'm willing to bet the real owner of that card has it sitting in a safety deposit box somewhere, and not in a house with minimalistic furniture and dirty socks on the floor.

[aclinton1107]

i didnt realize this card was worth that much, I did not photoshop... i will be putting this card up... and indeed if a deal was done we would do it in person.... im always diligent in my transactions in here.
thanks
andrew

[Robextend]

I bet you the iceberg that sunk the Titanic is stashed in the freezer.

[npa589]

Seriously though Andrew, are you just bored or something?

[Shoele$$]

i didnt realize this card was worth that much, I did not photoshop... i will be putting this card up... and indeed if a deal was done we would do it in person.... im always diligent in my transactions in here.
thanks
andrew

*sigh*......

[Leon]

i didnt realize this card was worth that much, I did not photoshop... i will be putting this card up... and indeed if a deal was done we would do it in person.... im always diligent in my transactions in here.
thanks
andrew

How do you explain a (seemingly) wealthy gentleman showing that he won the same card in a Heritage auction, on Youtube, from a few years ago? He's got your card!!

[npa589]

Haven't you heard that TV adds 10 lbs? Andrew is clearly the very successful cardiologist with millions of dollars of memorabilia in a highly organized, and well-kept show room! The game worn Gehrig jersey is under the lotion.

[Shoele$$]

I bet you the iceberg that sunk the Titanic is stashed in the freezer.

I'm in the process of making him an offer on THE actual knife OJ used.....I'll keep everyone posted.

He also has the "missing" white suit Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the Super Bowl murders if anyone is interested?

[DerekMichael]

How do you explain a (seemingly) wealthy gentleman showing that he won the same card in a Heritage auction, on Youtube, from a few years ago? He's got your card!!

I hear crickets chirping in the background...

[vintagetoppsguy]

And here are Ray Edwards and John Cobb to present you with the Scam of the year Award...

http://www.inlandvalleynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/11711982-ray-edwards-and-john-cobb-268x300.jpg

[Robextend]

I'm in the process of making him an offer on THE actual knife OJ used.....I'll keep everyone posted.

He also has the "missing" white suit Ray Lewis was wearing the night of the Super Bowl murders if anyone is interested?

Ok, as long as I can have Benjamin Franklin's kite and Thomas Edison's phonograph.

[TNP777]

And here are Ray Edwards and John Cobb to present you with the Scam of the year Award...

http://www.inlandvalleynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/11711982-ray-edwards-and-john-cobb-268x300.jpg
heh!

[Matthew H]

And here are Ray Edwards and John Cobb to present you with the Scam of the year Award...

http://www.inlandvalleynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/11711982-ray-edwards-and-john-cobb-268x300.jpg

Haha, classic!

[Robextend]

And here are Ray Edwards and John Cobb to present you with the Scam of the year Award...

http://www.inlandvalleynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/11711982-ray-edwards-and-john-cobb-268x300.jpg

HAHA good stuff David!

[novakjr]

It's a vampire card!!

This actually makes sense. Andrew forgot to tell us that his grandfather is Nosferatu. Here's a photo of him taking in a Nationals/Phillies game last year.

[milkit1]

Ok can we put this on hold til tomorrow I HAVE to get to bed! BEST THREAD EVER

[Kenny Cole]

nitpickers ...

[Shoele$$]

And here are Ray Edwards and John Cobb to present you with the Scam of the year Award...

http://www.inlandvalleynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/11711982-ray-edwards-and-john-cobb-268x300.jpg

That IS quite an honor ;)

[Wymers Auction]

i didnt realize this card was worth that much, I did not photoshop... i will be putting this card up... and indeed if a deal was done we would do it in person.... im always diligent in my transactions in here.
thanks
andrew
Why not take a shot with your face next to the card so that the card can be seen more clearly. If you zoom all the way in on this card it is a total blur.

[Tim Kindler]

I have been working like crazy all evening, since about 3:00 to now-12:18 A.M. Indiana time on preparing lessons for upcoming standardized testing for my students; and I thought I would jump on the board before I crashed in bed.......when low and behold, I missed the thread of the year, maybe all-time!:p (Wow! that was a run-on sentence.) This is the funniest thread & baseball card related thing I have ever seen! There have been some crazy threads in the past week on our board! Leon, you have to be going nuts as the administrator lately! My dull Monday turned into "I can't wait to get on the board" Tuesday!

[ctownboy]

At 11:59, I asked how Andrew acquired the card and why he is willing to sell it for $75,000 when it supposedly last sold for $220,000.

At 12:33, Andrew lists it in the Tobacco section of the B/S/T.

At 12:55, Andrew states he didn't know the card was worth so much money.

SO ---

Andrew still hasn't answered HOW he obtained the card and hasn't answered WHY he is willing to sell it for about 1/3 of the price ti last sold for.

Furthermore, he states that he has been on this board for awhile yet doesn't know that a T206 Wagner (even in THAT condition) is worth quite a bit of money.

Strange.....

David

[queencitysportscards]

My dull Monday turned into "I can't wait to get on the board" Tuesday!

Very True Tim!

[ctownboy]

Tim, it is a conspiracy Leon and the other Admin's have cooked up.

Bring back Cobb and Edwards and their T206 Wagner, add in a guy who thinks Comiskey is in a photo from 1879 and not only has experts to prove it but also auction houses willing to sell it for him (while totally ignoring an expert in photo ID) and THEN to top it off, have a guy named Andrew come on with HIS T206 Wagner.

Why would they do this to us? RATINGS!!!!!

They are about to sell the board to a massive company that is looking to expand its empire and the more page clicks they can have the higher the price they can sell the board for.

David

[Tim Kindler]

David, Love the Conspiracy Theory!

Hank, You WERE plagiarizing me!:D

This thread keeps getting wackier by the moment, but I've got to get some sleep!

Tim Kindler

[Leon]

Tim, it is a conspiracy Leon and the other Admin's have cooked up.

Bring back Cobb and Edwards and their T206 Wagner, add in a guy who thinks Comiskey is in a photo from 1879 and not only has experts to prove it but also auction houses willing to sell it for him (while totally ignoring an expert in photo ID) and THEN to top it off, have a guy named Andrew come on with HIS T206 Wagner.

Why would they do this to us? RATINGS!!!!!

They are about to sell the board to a massive company that is looking to expand its empire and the more page clicks they can have the higher the price they can sell the board for.

David

I don't have a good enough imagination to dream all of this stuff up. No way.

[vintagetoppsguy]

At 11:59, I asked how Andrew acquired the card and why he is willing to sell it for $75,000 when it supposedly last sold for $220,000.

At 12:33, Andrew lists it in the Tobacco section of the B/S/T.

At 12:55, Andrew states he didn't know the card was worth so much money.

SO ---

Andrew still hasn't answered HOW he obtained the card and hasn't answered WHY he is willing to sell it for about 1/3 of the price ti last sold for.

Furthermore, he states that he has been on this board for awhile yet doesn't know that a T206 Wagner (even in THAT condition) is worth quite a bit of money.

Strange.....

David

David makes a good point. As funny as this whole thread is, it doesn't negate the fact that a scam was attempted to be perpetrated by someone that apparently doesn't know too much about cards. Fortunatey, most of us know the provenance of the card and the story behind it so nobody got taken.

[wazoo]

I Dont know...the kids room is a mess! Clothes on the floor...lotion and paper towel near the tv...he doesnt look like the cool kid on the boat surrounded by hotties?!

I bet wags is sticky!:confused:

Hahahaha gross. Didn't need to hear that, but a good laugh indeed.

[Ronnie73]

I was tired earlier so I took a nap. When I woke up I noticed a locked thread and now this one. At one point I thought I might still be sleeping and only dreaming this since I do have many incredibly detailed dreams but most i'm usually at random colleges and schools or on vacation to places i've never been. I finally realized i'm not dreaming when I saw the Mona Lisa :D. I think that would of been the point where I would have woke up.

[Wymers Auction]

Damn, he's got some sweet stuff!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
That Mona Lisa is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. I was in tears!

[Tim Kindler]

David,
Yes, this is ceratinly a crazy, humerous thread; but you are correct in that someone knowingly (It certainly appears anyway) tried to scam others. Not being a lawyer or ever educated in such issues, is there really anything anyone can do about it though? :(

Edited: On a lighter note......can't wait to see what Sterling and B&L have in their upcoming auctions!
Tim Kindler

[T206DK]

Hmmm! 3 bottles of lotion, a roll of paper towels, what appears to be some sort of gay porn-star on the tv, and the complete and total look of shame on his face.. I wonder what's going on there?:eek::eek::eek:

Edited to add: Damn, Peter. You beat me to it.. No pun intended.

** Hilarious ** I just LOL'ed all over my keyboard

[TheBig6]

This would make a good Sports Collectors Digest article

[byrone]

Hopefully "race" won't be an issue here.:)

[Rob D.]

Really? Another T206 thread?

[EvilKing00]

Thread of the year yet??......:)

Gotta agree though, those corners are like perfect points on that slab :rolleyes:

Give him some points on creativity though....

the way hes holding it the holder it perfectly straight. There is no angle from the top sides of the slab or the verticle ones. Thats a perfect placement with a very steady hand

Gesh, i go to bed early one night and i miss all this.

[bigwinnerx]

And no reflections. That slab would be bouncing light, either room light or a flash. Its completely flat.

Did a good job of making it blurry so it sells the distance though.

[Exhibitman]

If a vampire doesn't cast a reflection in a mirror why can't we see his clothes? The Invisible Man's clothes were visible. Is a vampire more invisible than the Invisible Man? Does the Wolfman shed? If the Mummy is a rotten body trussed up in dirty bandages, wouldn't you smell him long before he could sneak up on you? How does Frankenstein's monster catch anyone? He walks like an old man with a bad hip. Why don't the Incredible Hulk's pants ever shred like the rest of his clothes?

When I read threads like this I think of these kinds of questions. I think I'll go fling some poo at the tourists outside my cage.

[t206blogcom]

Surprised we haven't heard the 'found it in grandpa's attic' line yet...

[bbcard1]

BBbbbuutt...but...but....

[slidekellyslide]

And to think yesterday I almost posted a question asking for your top ten all time threads on Net54. This still doesn't top "Archive", but it's pretty funny.

[sdkammeyer]

I am not even sure why I feel obligated to waste any more time on this, but I will. First off, I called you a f*cknugget in the other thread and for that I am sorry. That was rather childish of me ..... but not nearly as childish as the stunt you are trying to pull here.

If you didn't know before .... you now know that sports collectors are some of the most analytical people on Earth. The fact that you coyly played this off on the phone with Leon befuddles me. The fact that you regained your posting privileges but have not responded to this silly thread and the accusations made towards you befuddles me. The fact that you have no desire to make your story known befuddles me.

"Your card" can be seen here, in the hands of the present owner.... feel free to fast forward to 4 minutes and 14 seconds into the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcrvKWV0mxQ

Within 2 days after purchasing the "Nun Wagner" Dr. DePace was offered $60,000 more than he initially paid for it and his response was:

“I said, ‘What’s the matter with you guys?’ ” DePace said. “It’s no longer just a baseball card; it’s become a religious relic, a St. Jude of memorabilia. I’m keeping it.”

That info can be found here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/sports/baseball/01nuns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Furthermore, judging by this guys extensive collection, and his intention to open a non-profit museum, I am with belief that he didn't off the card on the side ..... money is no object to this wealthy man and as stated above, he isn't selling it.

So, how about you either come clean and admit you are a really bad scammer ..... or come up with a better story than the one you gave us?

Your words:

here it is guys.
been in the family for a long time, my grandfather picked it up when he was a kid from someone in georgia. We had it authenticated in 2008, he almost auctioned it off in 2010, however he was not satisfied with the price. I dont really like honus wagner, with this in mind Im willing to trade this for some other cards. Other cards Im interested in include 52 topps mantle 51 bowman mantle, 54 dan dee mantle, goudey babe ruth, cracker jack ty cobb, hank aaron rookie and other high end cards. I dont really know what to value this card at since it is so beat up, with that in mind if my trade is way to high let me know.
Im also
thanks
andrew

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10079

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10080

[sdkammeyer]

p.s.

I know what you are doing right now :)

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[EvilKing00]

p.s.

I know what you are doing right now :)

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[Wite3]

Maybe time to alert Andrew's local authorities. I know my local sheriff has been asking for help in busting Craigslist frauds and internet frauds in general.

We now also have his face, so we can all avoid him at shows as well.

So sad that someone would try this but I am not surprised. Andrew...get help before you land in prison.

Joshua

[brooklynbaseball]

You "gentlemen" have again proven yourselves to be racists. Picking on the young man simply because he is caucasian, and a masterbater. For shame...:mad:

[bigtrain]

A lot of fun is being had here but on a serious note, Andrew needs to really think about what he is doing here. I don't know what the law is where he is from but in New Jersey scamming someone out of $75,000.00 is a second degree crime that carries a presumptive state prison term. He does not look like someone who would survive incarceration.

[sdkammeyer]

The Mona Lisa thing is still killing me. That's priceless right there :)

Also, I see that our friendly scammer has taken his pics out of the system ..... but I still have them up on my computer screen from before he zapped them.

I am surprised that nobody stated the most obvious flaw in the scandal.

As you can see from the actual auction page, the card is so severely trimmed that there is a TON of space between the card and the edges of the black insert:
http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7028&lotNo=80079#58425842051

Here is the picture that Mr. Scammer had posted before he took it off the site. Followed by a simple blow up of him supposedly holding the card. Notice that all you see is black between the card and the edges of the SGC insert in both photos? If it were legit .... Mr. Scammer .... there would be light in the cracks around the card in the second picture.... or at least your white hand would be visible:

[npa589]

A lot of fun is being had here but on a serious note, Andrew needs to really think about what he is doing here. I don't know what the law is where he is from but in New Jersey scamming someone out of $75,000.00 is a second degree crime that carries a presumptive state prison term. He does not look like someone who would survive incarceration.


To quote my favorite movie:

"Fresh fish! Fresh fish! Fresh fish! Fresh fish!"

[milkit1]

I quote blackadder: " when all else fails, a stubborn, pig-headed refusal to look facts in the face will always see you through".
Now I'm afraid of all t206 wagners and what bodily fluids might be on them :eek:

[sylbry]

Manti Te'o would be all over this deal.

[milkit1]

Wait a minute! Now I know why people use blacklights on cards! I'm going to be sick.

[bigwinnerx]

Serious question, since someone obviously tried harder than normal, let's rate it a 6/10 on the "attempt to scam" scale (posting, story, picture, etc) is it worth it to try and flush him out a bit more? This didn't work on us, but, it might work on someone else.

[novakjr]

Andrew. Who's your favorite Little Rascal?

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[novakjr]

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[milkit1]

Is andrew amish? That might explain his photoshop technique?

[ksabet]

I honestly believe the FBI should look no further than this board when conducting an investigation into fraud. You guys are amazing!

[Jewish-collector]

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[Wymers Auction]

A lot of fun is being had here but on a serious note, Andrew needs to really think about what he is doing here. I don't know what the law is where he is from but in New Jersey scamming someone out of $75,000.00 is a second degree crime that carries a presumptive state prison term. He does not look like someone who would survive incarceration.
I would agree bigtrain and I would add that while I am not in the habit of threatening anyone that I do not believe he looks to be the type to survive the beating he might get after scamming a grown man out of 75,000.

[novakjr]

I do not believe he looks to be the type to survive the beating he might get after scamming a grown man out of 75,000.

Can't be any worse than the way he's been beating himself..

[Republicaninmass]

treating his body like an amusement park

[rainier2004]

treating his body like an amusement park

Thats funny sh!t...

[sports-rings]

He almost got away with it!

[wolf441]

Is anyone sure that's the guy, or just someone that he's kidnapped and is forcing to pretend to hold up a card and then watch some sort of horrible TV program???:eek:

[novakjr]

Is anyone sure that's the guy, or just someone that he's kidnapped and is forcing to pretend to hold up a card and then watch some sort of horrible TV program???:eek:

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin"
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[wolf441]

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin"
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LMFAO!!!!! "It rubs the lotion on its skin, it does this whenever its told...."

[CMIZ5290]

LMFAO!!!!! "It rubs the lotion on its skin, it does this whenever its told...."

Put the f***ing lotion in the basket!!

[EvilKing00]

you guys remember that line from office space about not wanting to go to prison???

[CMIZ5290]

you guys remember that line from office space about not wanting to go to prison???

Yes...You are a very bad person Peter

[novakjr]

you guys remember that line from office space about not wanting to go to prison???

this one?
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[Deertick]

He almost got away with it!

He'll be popular in prison with that 'taint tickler' on his chin.

[thehoodedcoder]

There is not one person who buys and sells tobacco cards...that does not or would not know the value of or look up the value of a Wagner prior to trying to sell it.

Not long ago he posted 10 t cards for sale.

End of story.

[ChiefBenderForever]

S#%^ like this is what I really miss about the hobby, priceless !!

[Runscott]

The part that has me laughing my butt off, is the reflection of his empty hand in the mirror. He must have spent hours practicing positioning his hand, when all he had to do was hold anything that was the same size, and paste the Wagner scan over it.

If I had John's photoshop skills, I'd put a banana in it.

[Sean1125]

He'll be popular in prison with that 'taint tickler' on his chin.

I don't often laugh but this one was BAD... In a good sense of the word ;)

[bn2cardz]

To me it makes sense that he is willing to sell this one.
I see that he has a better one in the background of the photo. It also looks like he has the original image...

[Clutch-Hitter]

I'm guessing heroin.:mad:

[ScottFandango]

gotta love how the SGC case is PERFECTLY squared to the camera...everything in that picture is disheveled except the card...
classic

[soxfan1986]

I actually met Andrew in person and traded with him a couple times in person. He has always been straight with me. I'm not sure if the Wagner thing was just a joke or whatever but the guy is a legit buyer and seller And to whoever posted the pic with him holding the Mona Lisa. AWESome. Funniest thing I've seen on this site yet

[Leon]

I actually met Andrew in person and traded with him a couple times in person. He has always been straight with me. I'm not sure if the Wagner thing was just a joke or whatever but the guy is a legit buyer and seller And to whoever posted the pic with him holding the Mona Lisa. AWESome. Funniest thing I've seen on this site yet

It's a joke but he wasn't intending for it to be. He intended/s to rip someone off. Also, either he or the Nun's on national media are telling a story about it's history. I have my money (philosophically speaking) on the Nun's for telling the truth about it. That being said, I understand he has done quite a few good deals with forum members. No one, nor I, can figure out why this whole Wags debacle. It defies logic.

[thehoodedcoder]

it does not make sense. i will completely agree with you on that.

are we certian his account was not compromised?


kevin

[Leon]

it does not make sense. i will completely agree with you on that.

are we certian his account was not compromised?


kevin

I spoke with him on the phone. He had the same story. I think several other board members have spoken with him and met him in the last several days. Same story.

[Wite3]

I have said it before...often con men create a seemingly honest persona (thus the word confidence men...they gain your confidence first) and then go for the big score...I feel that this might be the case.

[yanks12025]

I have said it before...often con men create a seemingly honest persona (thus the word confidence men...they gain your confidence first) and then go for the big score...I feel that this might be the case.

Isn't that what the guy did on another card forum the other month. Had good deals and sold many items. But then he stole like $20,000 ++ from people one the forum and disappeared.

[npa589]

Well, should we submit him to the "World's Dumbest Criminals?"

The empty hand in the mirror is enough to justify that qualification...

I suppose picking an item that is tracked, whose owner is known, and the provenance of which contradicts the "Con man's" claim is not too brilliant either...

[bigwinnerx]

Isn't that what the guy did on another card forum the other month. Had good deals and sold many items. But then he stole like $20,000 ++ from people one the forum and disappeared.

Yes, the forum for a card retailer, rhymes with No Doubt, a guy was doing grab bag deals and took the money and ran. He did many, many small deals leading up to it.

[Runscott]

Warning - do not meet this guy in person.

Seriously, if he is willing to meet you in person, and we already know that he does NOT have the card, nothing good can come from such a meeting. My best guess is that he's desperate for money (bad drug deal, gambling, who knows?) and this is a random shot he's taking. You knock on his door and there's no telling what's waiting for you.

[lsutigers1973]

Anyone know his eBay ID?

[thehoodedcoder]

where do you seen an empty hand in the mirror. i honestly see quite the opposite. i see the top of a card holder.

kevin

[Eric72]

where do you seen an empty hand in the mirror. i honestly see quite the opposite. i see the top of a card holder.

kevin

Kevin,

Please check out post #107 of this thread.

Respectfully,

Eric

[mark evans]

Damn, he's got some sweet stuff!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I've seen some funny s**t on this Board over the years. But, the photo of Mona with the accompanying line sets a new standard. Nice job.