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ALR-bishop
01-04-2013, 03:21 PM
Through family inheritance my wife has been a long time stockholder in Hillerich & Bradsby. ( They have a very good bat and baseball related museum in Louisville Kentucky if you are ever in that area). Because of that I have accumulated some of the cards they used to attach to merchandise associated with a particular player.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img375.jpg?t=1357334113

David W
01-04-2013, 03:41 PM
I worked at a K Mart store while in college, and "liberated" many from the gloves. Here are a few more. What I found interesting was how mediocre a player selection they had. They are nice looking cards.

4reals
01-11-2013, 01:41 PM
Love this kind of oddball stuff!

These are variations from my Dodgers team set. I was fortunate enough to find a Hershiser without the hole being punched out at all. Some collectors are unaware that these cards were printed with a glossy finish through 1987, at which point a flat finish was adopted as production moved from Taiwan to the Philippines (see the print location in the pic). So there are multiple variations of a lot of the players. I just realized from the back of your other pic that your 'Philippines' Hershiser has a black bordered back, I only have the blue variation. Thanks for giving me a new item to hunt down!

In fact, all four of my cards have blue bordered backs. Can anyone tell me if their Garvey, Guerrero, or 'Taiwan' Hershiser have a black bordered back variation as well?

darkhorse9
01-24-2013, 11:57 AM
Don't know if this helps or not, but I have both Hershiser versions (full bleed photo,/ cropped photo) and they were both printed in the Phillipenes. The full bleed picture has a black border back and the narrow photo has blue

darkhorse9
01-24-2013, 12:00 PM
BTW - also have a Ray Knight as an Astro version. Both are Taiwan printed. Other than the photo and slight color variations on the back, the only other difference is the position is listed as "All Star Firstbaseman" instead of All Star Infielder

4reals
02-23-2013, 07:52 PM
This type of oddball stuff really grabs a hold of me and won't let go. The SCD has a checklist but because the cards aren't dated or numbered it's tough to pinpoint exactly what year each card is from. As a Dodgers collector, I was particularly drawn to this set because of the Hershiser cards. He is cataloged as appearing on four different cards over the years and since most people don't know the difference from one card to the next and call them all the same thing (1981-93) it was difficult to track down all four but I think I've done it.

Hershiser #A) My guess is that this is from 1986. It was the only one of his four cards printed in Taiwan prior to Louisville Slugger moving their printing operations to the Philippines in 1987 and the back of the card contains season stats from the '85 season so labeling this an '86 is fairly safe unless it was printed in Nov. or Dec. of '85. The photo on the front of the card is cropped on the sides, the photo touches the top and bottom green border, one knuckle appears in his glove, there is a blue bio border on the back with a thin black line break on top and a thin blue line break on bottom.

Hershiser #B) My guess is that this is from 1987. It was the first of three to be printed in the Philippines. Again, the front photo is cropped on the sides, however, this time they pulled the photo back from the top and bottom away from the green border. This time two knuckles appear in the glove. The back design is almost identical to the previous year with the exception of where it was printed and the thin blue line break line which now appears to have been drawn in place due to its waviness.

Hershiser #C) My guess is that this is from 1988. This variation appears almost identical to the previous year with one very minor exception - the tail of the "l" in Orel on the facsimile autograph does not touch the players jersey. Upon careful inspection, the tail of the "l" on the '87 Hershiser can clearly be seen touching his jersey. The back, however is a different story. Apparently the blue wavy line didn't sit well with some folks because they changed it to black and for the first time both line break lines are black. The Hillerich & Bradsbury logo is also now touching the bottom blue border where on previous years it did not.

Hershiser #D) My guess is this is from 1989. This variation is the most drastically different compared to the others. The back bio was completely reconstructed to reflect the accomplishments he achieved in '88. I suppose it's possible that it could have been printed in Nov. or Dec. of '88 or in 1990 or 1991 for that matter but my best guess is that it was changed in '89 and used throughout the remainder of the contract. The front photo now has a full bleed, meaning it extends to the border on the right and left. This caused part of the photo to be cropped off so now there are no knuckles showing in the glove. Orel's first name on his facsimile autograph is now completely off his body. The back is also very different with a black border now encompassing the bio. His middle name and name suffix were dropped from the top and he is now labeled as an All-Star pitched as opposed to just a pitcher. The H&B logo is once again dropped down off of the border.


http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy19/joeoneone/cards%20blog/louisvillesluggerhershiserfrontmarks_zps491ea8de.j pg
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy19/joeoneone/cards%20blog/louisvillesluggerhershiserbackmarks_zps35cf7724.jp g

The checklist
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy19/joeoneone/cards%20blog/louisville_zps7ddba921.jpg

ALR-bishop
02-24-2013, 08:45 AM
Good info on Hershiser. I think I have 3 but think there maybe more than 4. I did not know about McDowell but the SCD checklist is incomplete. I just got a Bret Butler and Robin Ventura. I am out of town but they should show up in a completed eBay search. Will get back to you on Hershiser when back home

ALR-bishop
02-27-2013, 03:25 PM
This is why I think there are at least 5 of them

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img425_zps630eb21a.jpg?t=1361999036
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img424_zps5e0732f1.jpg?t=1362000606

4reals
02-27-2013, 05:49 PM
TIME OUT...what the heck? That card was made in Taiwan but has '88-'89 stats. Also thicker page line breaks. This appears to mean that there was a 1990 variation and printing moved BACK to Taiwan that year. Interesting. There may be more...

ALR-bishop
03-12-2013, 10:37 AM
I now have 5 different Herhsisers ( one coming), and think there are at least 6

ALR-bishop
03-12-2013, 10:52 AM
I now have 5 different Herhsisers ( one coming), and think there are at least 6. Added a couple of others

The SCD checklist is definitely not complete

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img432_zps6cd60b25.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img431_zpsbbd9f41d.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/img433_zpse2b20bef.jpg

darkhorse9
03-12-2013, 07:29 PM
have you seen this hershiser?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980s-GLOVE-TAG-CARD-OREL-HERSHISER-DODGERS-LOUISVILLE-SLUGGER-MINT-045028-/190780551331?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c6b6830a3

I can't tell if it's just a bad scan, a fake or a new variation.

ALR-bishop
03-12-2013, 11:49 PM
Hard to imagine someone having the incentive to counterfeit these. I'd vote bad scan but would like to see back as well

4reals
03-19-2013, 02:51 AM
yeah, I agree there are at least five...what makes you think there's a sixth? The Butler card is new to me, very cool. I still haven't seen an Eric Davis Dodgers variation though. Hey Al, need to fill any holes in the set, at least of what you're aware of? I'd be willing to buy or trade with you if you have any extras of the Hershiser '90 variation or the Butler card.

4reals
02-20-2014, 08:30 PM
Crazy how these little additions bring so much joy, especially when they elude you for so long. :D

Here is the Eric Davis Dodgers LS card.

ALR-bishop
02-20-2014, 09:37 PM
That's great Joe. Had not seen that one. Taiwan or Philippines ?

4reals
02-20-2014, 10:43 PM
taiwan Al, this time in all caps, with a 1991 bio line it probably makes this a 92. Added a scan of the back for reference.

4reals
02-24-2014, 11:56 PM
Obtained another Hershiser LS variation. In 1989 it appears they came in both a blue bordered back and a black bordered back. Both were printed in the Philippines and both have the same exact bio. In addition, I discovered a Hershiser Bulldog card that recently sold on ebay. That puts the count of known Hershiser LS cards at six. Are there more?

ALR-bishop
02-25-2014, 08:10 AM
Was aware of the blue/black variant but had never heard of the dog version. Cool. You are on roll

David W
02-27-2014, 07:32 AM
Somewhere I have some of the Hershiser bull dog cards.

I am slowly trying to organize all my 80's 90's junk and will
eventually find it (or them).

4reals
02-27-2014, 09:58 AM
That's great Dave, let me know if you find one, I would be interested in buying one from you.

autograf
02-27-2014, 03:26 PM
I've got 10-12 'sets' of these somewhere......can't find them. They are incomplete but might yield some additional variations. I'll try to find them. Probably 12-18 cards in each 'set'. I know Ventura is tougher and Pagliarulo used to be kind of tough. There was a guy on ebay selling sets of them that said he had thousands of them. That's been a while. Think his name was Jack or something. Have not see the bulldog card but would also be interested should there be enough to go around...............

Nice lot of hang tags/cards sold recently...........
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980s-90s-Glove-Tags-Lot-32-Louisville-Slugger-Franklin-Wilson-Regent-Brett8-/141151213055?hash=item20dd4495ff&nma=true&si=oF8MJ1JJyho7roxBAw2fafuAUyE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Have some Wilson Tom Seavers too and maybe a Mizuno Rose somewhere.

4reals
02-16-2015, 09:18 PM
Everything appears similar...the cropping on the front, the facsimile auto on front, the stat years in the bio box back and the location printed (Taiwan). The lone difference? ...the white and blue top boxes on back. And for those super ocd variation collectors, perhaps the color of the card stock.

4reals
02-16-2015, 09:23 PM
found a '90 Eric Davis with '89 stats on back and what appears to be a hand-written correction in the '86 stat line.

rgpete
02-17-2015, 06:53 PM
Same as the others

autograf
02-19-2015, 08:03 AM
Found all my 'sets' and have been selling them on ebay. Have looked through them all and haven't found anything out of the ordinary........Most are 16-17 card 'sets'. Had maybe 8-10 of them. Generally bringing about $40-$50 for the 'sets'. Need Ventura, Butler, McDowell and Davis Dogers if anyone has any dupes of those. Tons of these to trade and other stuff too. Thanks to all the variation collectors out there. Love seeing this stuff and the oddball quirks on the cards.

aelefson
02-19-2015, 06:15 PM
Hi-
Thank you for the education about these! I found two in a small group of other glove tags I recently purchased. I think both of these have been shown above by other posters but I have attached a scan as well. My other scans show my favorite tags from the lot (I collect Mattingly and Rice items/cards).

Alan

Rich Klein
02-20-2015, 12:30 PM
IIRC

The Mattingly cards were "collector" issues. I know we had too many of them in NJ for all of them to be legit

ArmourPhil
08-25-2016, 09:49 AM
Have been collecting the Louisville Slugger cards since the first release of Garvey back in 1981. In the early 1990s the set became very confusing.

I originally gave the info to Lemke for the Std CAtalog (~2005) which had release years on the initial cards. The list in there now is impossible to understand since there are no card numbers and now no card dates.

I came upon your thread which has helped a lot. With this info I propose the following checklist . I have used the back info to determine the year the card was released. See that column for details.

Right now the goal is to lock in the players, teams and major variations (Taiwan vs Philippines; blue border vs black border etc )

The last 3 cards on the list Sanders, Jones and Stottlymre are listed in the Std catalog but I have never seen them and no one on this thread mentions them. Does anyone know if they really exist ???

Let me know if I have missed any MAJOR variations. Comments are appreciated....Phil

ALR-bishop
08-25-2016, 10:23 AM
Phil- thanks for your effort and contribution. Very Helpful.

On Hershiser besides the differences in place of origin and black and blue, there are significant front cropping differences in the front photo, plus the Bull Dog version posted above. Also I have two black Hershisers, one light ( Taiwan) and one dark ( Philippines). Also two dark blues, Taiwan and Philippine

Not sure if the Ruth card should be included or viewed as a separate item

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/1960180_zpsakszuo3n.jpg?t=1472053431
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Bishop539/1960181_zpsjrxepbom.jpg

ArmourPhil
08-25-2016, 02:00 PM
please send me or post pics of the Hersheiser's you think I am not listing ...thanks

ALR-bishop
08-25-2016, 02:38 PM
Will do when I have the chance , and then you can send me scans of what you have I do not

ArmourPhil
08-27-2016, 01:08 PM
working with Al Richter on this. Appears there may be 1 or two more Hershisers ...I will post when I can confirm.

ArmourPhil
12-04-2016, 08:40 AM
Can anyone help me get the Butler, McDowell and Davis/Dodgers cards ??

4reals
12-04-2016, 08:24 PM
Very hard cards to find, good luck!

autograf
12-06-2016, 07:44 AM
Good luck Phil. I look every day for those and Ventura.

ALR-bishop
12-06-2016, 05:12 PM
My wife and her family were all shareholders in H&B which made the Louisville Slugger bats. Their grandfather was a major shareholder and director of the company. That connection scored us a lot of World Series tickets over the years

H&B has a very nice Museum in Louisville. Worth a visit if you are ever there. I asked the company Secretary why they did not have an exhibit of these cards like they do for the bats. I don't think it ever occurred to them. I asked if they had a master list of all the player cards they produced in Taiwan, the Philippines or elsewhere. They did not. It was of no real interest to anyone I talked to threre.

For the most part, the Louisville Slugger brand was sold by H&B to Wilson a couple of years back. The company really only owns the bat factory and Museum in Louisville now. It was always a family run business ( Hillerich as opposed to Bradsby) that was not up to the new competitors in the bat market.

Card history and documentation about what they produced did not seem important to anyone I could find. And whether there are 5 or 6 or more Hershiser variants clearly is of no interest to anyone at H & B

sb1
12-06-2016, 06:55 PM
I realize this is not the proper place to buy and sell, but I have a group of nine different of these that I would like to sell and feel like they would not get any attention in the BST under normal conditions.

So... Here are 9 that I have.. please pm if interested., Not even sure how much. let's talk and make a deal for someone.

autograf
12-07-2016, 10:27 AM
Arrgghh....no tough ones there!

And to Al's point about the Slugger Museum......if you're ever in the area, it is a great place for a couple hour visit. Muhammad Ali museum is within walking distance as is the Louisville Science Museum and the Frazier museum of history.....focusing heavily on guns and weaponry. All about 2 hour diversions. If you come to Louisville for the Hunts auction which is generally on the second Saturday of November, they always have free admission to the museum on that day.

And to Al's other point.....they don't have much in the ephemera type of stuff on display at the museum. It's all about the bats but some of the tangent stuff would make such a great display. No mini bats. No bat banks. No pens/pencils. Little to no advertising....posters, point of sale, die cut, etc. Love the place, but they could really add to it.

autograf
02-02-2017, 09:53 AM
Picked up this lot on ebay just now and got this Todd Stottlemyre card in it. Not exactly like the series of Louisville Slugger cards but looks to be attempted to be close. Was printed in the Philippines. Why would they go all the way to the Philippines to print cards? Odd..........anyway, just FYI..........

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=1&pictureid=22262 http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=1&pictureid=22263

ArmourPhil
02-02-2017, 11:42 AM
Congrats...this is one of the mysterious TPX cards listed in the Std Catalog (2011) p 988 . I had never seen one before !