1887 A.D. (Here comes de judge)

[SmokyBurgess]

Would love to see some of these old 19th century cards.

Scan 'em if you got 'em.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Here are mine...............

[jimivintage]

As always, Phil, I'm very jealous of your RC collection. Nice group! I haven't owned an OJ in about 8 years when I owned a Ward. I think I got the SGC 10 back then for around $80. Ugh.....

[SmokyBurgess]

Love the Ed Delehanty! Too bad he got pushed off that train (as the story goes). Great old cards.

[jimivintage]

Yes, not only did he supposedly jump off that bridge into the Niagra Falls, but he's famous also for a pretty "shameful" home run:

Delahanty was also the victim behind one of "The Most Shameful Home Runs of All Time" according to the third edition of Bruce Nash and Allan Zullo's series, "The Baseball Hall of Shame." In July 1892, when Delahanty's Phillies hosted Cap Anson's Chicago White Stockings at Philadelphia's Huntingdon Street Grounds (aka National League Park), Anson hit a fly ball to center in the top of the eighth inning. The ball hit a pole and landed right in the "doghouse," a feature unbeknownst to everyone then until that moment; it was used to store numbers for the manually run scoreboard. Delahanty tried to get the ball (it was still in play) by first reaching over the doghouse, then crawling down into it, but on the latter attempt, he got stuck, and by the time teammate Sam Thompson had freed Delahanty from the area, Anson crossed home plate on what the "Baseball Hall of Shame" book calls an "inside-the-doghouse home run."

Yikes!

Jimi

[GaryPassamonte]

The King

[scooter729]

A "big" brother wants to join the party, and someone else wants to "Watch"

[bn2cardz]

I had to sell my favorite last year shortly after getting it. After we had some money back in the bank, my wife said "you should try buying it back". What a supportive wife, but it was long gone.

Now I am left with this lone example from the Old Judge set. Though, I believe this copy is from 1889 (not 1887).

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k607/bn2cardz/bn2cardz/N172Harkins_GD2.jpg

[z28jd]

Rare one player teams, rare players, rare doubles of a Player's League card, rare grade for a PL card and rare to find so many cards of one player

[sycks22]

I'm confident my mascot will be the shortest on the list

[t206blogcom]

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/N172-Old-Judge-Danny-Richardson-SGC-10-Poor.jpg

[wazoo]

Not baseball, but still a great card. It's a "2" for sure ;). Not bad for $13?

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/aoldjudgecigpack.jpghttp://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/aoldjudgeglassck.jpg


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1888x3buffalobillannieoakley.jpg


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/a-gjohnmward.jpg


TED Z

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Brouthers.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20BrwonsChamps%20Comiskey.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Holbert%20spotted%20tie.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Wardportrait.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Ewiing%20and%20mascot%20.jpg

More pics online here:
http://imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge

[RCMcKenzie]

78980

78981

[ValKehl]

Soon to be in the HOF??

[bcbgcbrcb]

A few more of mine..........

[bn2cardz]

This thread made me pull out "The Photographic Baseball Cards of Goodwin & Company 1886-1890, Old Judge's baseball cards" (Jay Miller, Joe Gonsowski and Richard Masson) last night and read through it some more.

My 2 year daughter saw me reading it and said "Bible?" (We read the Bible most nights before bed). I explained, no, it was baseball cards, she got up in my lap and looked through it with me flipping the pages.

Bonding with my 2 year old daughter over Old Judge baseball cards :D

[DHogan]

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/4986/scan0001nf.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/scan0001nf.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img812/6449/scan0001np.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/scan0001np.jpg/)

[z28jd]

Dave, did you buy that low-grade one off me about 11 years ago? I bought a lot of three low grade cards to get a Corcoran and a Hogan like that was in the group. Thought I sold it to someone with the same last name

[CW]

3 OJ's in the collection....

[Kenny Cole]

I'll play. Here's a few of mine

[pete zouras]

<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/?action=view&amp;current=keefef.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/keefef.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[DHogan]

Dave, did you buy that low-grade one off me about 11 years ago? I bought a lot of three low grade cards to get a Corcoran and a Hogan like that was in the group. Thought I sold it to someone with the same last name

Yes, Im pretty sure it was you who I bought it from. Thank you for helping me with it. I have about 35-40 cards with different cards from all different sets and sports with people named Hogan. A few even have their first name as Hogan.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Nice lot, Kenny!

[z28jd]

Even Authentic, OJ's can look great if the picture is nice. On the other hand, pink tint ones never look good but for some subjects, you have to settle for them

[Matthew H]

pink tint ones never look good...

Unless they do look good :)

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/matthewhall111/N172%20Old%20Judge/scan0015-1.jpg

You've got some nice cards, John. As does everyone else, great stuff!

[z28jd]

Thanks Matt. That barely qualifies as a pink tint :) Most don't have pictures that nice. I think I have about three of them total, that's enough for me. I'll get a chance to scan some more OJ's on Monday, so this thread will live at least another three days. For now, here is an article I wrote back in April, using my Old Judge cards to help tell the story

http://blogs.piratesprospects.com/history/april-301887-pittsburgh-plays-first-nl-game/

[vwtdi]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_myers891.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_bishop921.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_flint945.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_fogarty948.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_mcgeachy957.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_daly004.jpg

[Matthew H]

Thanks Matt. That barely qualifies as a pink tint :) Most don't have pictures that nice. I think I have about three of them total, that's enough for me. I'll get a chance to scan some more OJ's on Monday, so this thread will live at least another three days. For now, here is an article I wrote back in April, using my Old Judge cards to help tell the story

http://blogs.piratesprospects.com/history/april-301887-pittsburgh-plays-first-nl-game/

Cool story John, thanks for sharing that history.

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Van%20Haltren.jpg

Here is one of the nicest pink OJs I've seen.

[Kenny Cole]

I think this is a decent pink tint one too.

[Matthew H]

Does anyone know how many different colors OJs were made? I had a nice gray one that I sold, I wish I didn't. I know there are purple ones too,,, different shades of brown. Sepia too, of course, what else is there?


Nice card Bruce and Kenny.

[z28jd]

Does anyone know how many different colors OJs were made? I had a nice gray one that I sold, I wish I didn't. I know there are purple ones too,,, different shades of brown. Sepia too, of course, what else is there?




Tom Brown
Deacon White
Bill Greenwood
Red Ehret
Black Jack Burdock
Silver King

[the-illini]

John - great Schmelz OJ! That is a tough one to find...

[z28jd]

John - great Schmelz OJ! That is a tough one to find...

Thanks Chris. Yes, he is very difficult to find. The only other one I remember seeing for sale was much more expensive and had a badly faded photo. Like I said up top, I try to avoid the pink tint OJ's but sometimes you have to make exceptions or you may give up your only chance to get a player/mgr for a long time.

I passed on the Madden/leaning on rock pose at the 2003 National, regretted it immediately and haven't found another one since.

[Matthew H]

I would love to see a red Red Ehret

[Joe_G.]

Great thread!, lots on eye candy. Here is one of my favorite players, Lady Baldwin. Would love to eventually find the 1st & 5th pose. I've also included the errant Kid Baldwin pose w/ Detroit (should be shown as Cincy catcher, not Detroit pitcher).

[ngrow9]

.

[yanks12025]

I know these weren't made during 1887, but several of the pics are from the 1887 year. So hopefully it's ok that I post them.

[z28jd]

Before posting any individual scans, I figured why not save myself some time. I call this pile of mess "Trying to alphabetize 345 Old Judge cards that were in almost no particular order before". It's a pretty long title and probably too descriptive.

[Matthew H]

John, wow.

[kkkkandp]

... McKayla is not impressed. :)

[z28jd]

... McKayla is not impressed. :)

I wouldn't expect a girl to be impressed by a pile of Old Judge cards, even if I did finally figure out what doubles I have available. Now if those cards belonged to Mr OJ-NJ, she would probably look more like this ---> :D

[bmarlowe1]

Brock - nice items. I wonder why they have a photo of Lee Richmond (bottom row 2nd from right) as a member of Pittsburgh.

[mrvster]

:eek:

[E93]

Here are a few favorites. Great thread!
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Charles%20Comiskey.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20George%20Haddock.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20MC%20Robinson.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Pop%20Smith%20SGC%2060.jpeg
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Wise%20SGC%2030.jpeghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Wheelock%20SGC%2080.jpeg

[E93]

From the Old Judge set that started it all...
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n167/websize/N167%20Ewing.JPGhttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n167/websize/N167%20Welch%20SGC%2020.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n167/websize/N167%20Ewing%20Back.JPGhttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n167/websize/N167%20Welch%20bk%20SGC%2020_0001.jpg

[19cbb]

From the Old Judge set that started it all...
JimB

Is that the ex-Andy "grilled" Ewing?

Time does go by fast!

www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1093575428

Cool card with a nice story...

[E93]

Is that the ex-Andy "grilled" Ewing?

Time does go by fast!

www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1093575428

Cool card with a nice story...

Yes, it was formerly Andy's.
JimB

[triwak]

A few. And please, no jokes about the McPhee! :p

[foxxfan]

Here's a few Cincinnati players:

[cyseymour]

<a href="http://s626.beta.photobucket.com/user/jboneparth/media/SundayKelly.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/SundayKelly.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a><a href="http://s626.beta.photobucket.com/user/jboneparth/media/WhitneyDogSGC70.jpeg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/WhitneyDogSGC70.jpeg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a><a href="http://s626.beta.photobucket.com/user/jboneparth/media/delahanty.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/delahanty.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a><a href="http://s626.beta.photobucket.com/user/jboneparth/media/nicholssmall-1.jpeg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/nicholssmall-1.jpeg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a><a href="http://s626.beta.photobucket.com/user/jboneparth/media/ewingampmascot.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/ewingampmascot.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a>

[bcbgcbrcb]

WOW, incredible Delahanty card! Nice Kelly too.

[TheBig6]

I only have a few
http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/welch.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/gleason.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/maines_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/ferguson2.jpg

[Joe_G.]

In honor of Deacon White's enshrinement.

[Al C.risafulli]

Man, I could just look at this thread all day.

Stunning cards, everyone. Thanks for sharing.

-Al

[cyseymour]

WOW, incredible Delahanty card! Nice Kelly too.

Thanks Phil, I like your Delahanty, too. Plus, the Roger Conner is a great card.

Thanks everyone for sharing your cards. Lots of awesome stuff here. Joe G, your Deacon White cards are incredible. And Jim B's smokin Comiskey plus mindblowing n167 Ewing.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Here's another group..........

[Kenny Cole]

A few more

[Kenny Cole]

Oops. Meant to post the front of Hanlon

[kkkkandp]

...but a few favorites:

[z28jd]

Nice cards Mr OJ-NJ! Love the Cross!

[Joe_G.]

Very nice Kevin!, Orator Shafer would be my fav of the bunch. Amazing group of cards.

[Matthew H]

Look at Mike Griffin. He thinks he's cool with his arms crossed.

Seriously though, the Cupid Childs and Lave Cross are Kewl. All of those cards actually, nice stuff Kevin!

[z28jd]

I'd like to see a Griffin w/bat, the pose I didn't believe existed until I saw it in the OJ book. It's never been up for sale in the last 12+ years that I know of...anyone got it? It's actually pictured in the Fritsch reprint set too

[Matthew H]

Joe, that's my favorite Deacon White pose - awesome!

[cyseymour]

Some smashing OJ's in there. A Deacon White. Cool Griffin card. And look at that Jim McCormick, for gosh sakes!

[jerrys]

80362

[ValKehl]

5 cheers to Hank O'Day for making it into the HOF!
Val

[cyseymour]

Nice O'Day's, Val! That is one kickass Billy Sunday... never seen one that nice!

[DixieBaseball]

OJ's : Batter Up !

[z28jd]

Tried to find some nice looking cards of players that haven't been posted yet(I think)

[Matthew H]

Beautiful Tyng John.


That Jordan is one of my favorite poses too.

[Matthew H]

..

[wonkaticket]

Amazing thread some great cards in here. Makes me wish I had more 19th Baseball stuff.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/huge/19th.jpg

[Matthew H]

Geez John, were those printed yesterday?

[E93]

John,
Do you have any with strong images?
JimB

[cyseymour]

Tyng was the man. Helluvan athlete, apparently. Love the spotted tie card, Matt.

John, your Delahanty is an absolute knockout! Outstanding cards!

[kkkkandp]

That's a pose I would love to have someday! :D

[Matthew H]

Thanks guys!

[z28jd]

Beautiful Tyng John.


That Jordan is one of my favorite poses too.

Thanks Matt. Those are two of my favorite cards. When I first saw that Jordan card, I had to have it.

I like how you put Cook, Rooks and Crooks in the same picture. I pictured the scene from Electric Company where they say the words back and forth Cook-Rooks-Crooks

[Matthew H]

Thanks Matt. Those are two of my favorite cards. When I first saw that Jordan card, I had to have it.

I like how you put Cook, Rooks and Crooks in the same picture. I pictured the scene from Electric Company where they say the words back and forth Cook-Rooks-Crooks

Ha! Thanks John.

[Joe_G.]

Great cards of some tough players. Here are some of the easier Detroits with decent images.

[RCMcKenzie]

80464

80465

80466

Here is a former Barker card and a poor Mack RHH and I have a Tebeau Time on the way. Spider's MGR more to come..

[DixieBaseball]

Rob - Nice Barker stamp... Some really nice photo quality on this thread as well.

[z28jd]

Refusing to let this thread die! Here are two Pittsburgh players you don't see too often and two cards of Monk Cline, who I just decided the other day to try to get all five poses of since I had two nice ones already

[the-illini]

Baltimore's manager, "Bald" Billy Barnie - an apt nickname for sure...

[z28jd]

One more post for today. Back when the law firm of Miller, Masson and Gonsowski asked me to help out with the Old Judge book, among other things, I took on the task of researching the bios. One particular player, who wasn't in my group, remained a mystery until near the end. So I spent a week trying to figure out if there really was a Whiteacre, or was it Pat Whitaker spelled wrong, like it had been suggested for many years. The name "Whiteacre was listed on the Reserve List for the Philadelphia Athletics over the Winter of 1887-88, but no player with that name ever played minor/major league ball. After searching daily for hours a day, I finally stumbled upon an obscure book about the town of Kennett Square, Pa with an 1886 team photo of the town's amateur team and in the corner was a match, a man named Harry Whiteacre! This card may only be a psa1, but it is one of my favorite cards because 120 years later, he finally had a name and wasn't misidentified as someone else from the set anymore.

[Matthew H]

Chris, great Barnie.

John, thats interesting... Whiteacre has to be one of the sneaky tough, right?

About Monk Cline, I had a similar thing happen to me when I realized I had three Black Jack Burdock poses, I was looking for the last two... Until one day I had a lapse of judgement and sold my portrait card of him. I miss that card, oh well, live and learn. At least I know where it is. :)

[z28jd]

Chris, great Barnie.

John, thats interesting... Whiteacre has to be one of the sneaky tough, right?

About Monk Cline, I had a similar thing happen to me when I realized I had three Black Jack Burdock poses, I was looking for the last two... Until one day I had a lapse of judgement and sold my portrait card of him. I miss that card, oh well, live and learn. At least I know where it is. :)


You don't see him too often, but he isn't impossible. Joe's Vintage has a real nice one on their site I wouldn't mind getting, I just mind paying that much for it :)

[Matthew H]

That is a nice card,,, pricy :)

[kkkkandp]

...a few more:

[bcbgcbrcb]

The latest addition to my OJ HOF collection. Thanks, Bruce!

[calvindog]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5610141957/" title="1887 Old Judge N172 Art Whitney with Dog by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5190/5610141957_7ba2d058c9_o.jpg" width="487" height="832" alt="1887 Old Judge N172 Art Whitney with Dog"></a>


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5610140173/" title="1887 Old Judge N172 Buck Ewing with Mascot by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5102/5610140173_242a41582c_o.jpg" width="487" height="846" alt="1887 Old Judge N172 Buck Ewing with Mascot"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2922483452/" title="1887 Old Judge N172 by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3024/2922483452_b9c76b81aa_o.jpg" width="450" height="732" alt="1887 Old Judge N172"></a>

[z28jd]

Look at Mr OJ-NJ showing off again! Breaking out the Henry and Daniels, excellent cards! Didn't know you had either of those. Where is the jealous emoticon when you need it...

[oldjudge]

Wow Kevin, some really scarce cards. Mr OJ-NJ for sure.

Jeff--Midget never looked better

[Matthew H]

+1, jealous emoticon! I want a John Ewing too.

[kkkkandp]

I could not have gotten as far as I have collecting OJs without the great trades and buys from Net 54 members, many of whom have posted in this thread. One more example of why this site is one of the best things in this hobby!

As for being Mr. OJ NJ, I don't know about that. You've got me on quantity, John, and I cannot brag about having more Larry Corcorans than anyone else in the world! :)

[z28jd]

Hey I tried to trade with you yesterday! What about all the great trades that didn't happen with board members? I can't even give away my Cod Myers to you so it just shows that my cards aren't good enough for the OJ-NJ collection. BTW, why doesn't SGC put that on your labels when you submit them? Might boost the value in the future. :)

PS Leave the Corcoran collection alone, they have done nothing bad to you

[kkkkandp]

If it'll make you feel better, I'll let you give me your Cod Myers! ;)

[cyseymour]

forgot one...

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt350/jboneparth/OJRyan1_zps457f8e46.jpg

[kkkkandp]

Doesn't Candy Nelson just look like you'd expect a 19th century baseball player to?

[cyseymour]

Yes, he does. And amazingly, that's how the hipsters dress today! 19th Century style has returned!

[bcbgcbrcb]

WOW, that OJ Jimmy Ryan looks like the best "1" ever!

[champaigneappetite]

It is cool scrolling through these pages and seeing so many of my previously owned cards. At one time I was three players shy of the complete player list for Cinicnnati. Now I am down to just a few of my uncle Paul's cards.

Tom

[jcmtiger]

Here is one I got from Joe G. I know the Detroit has been scraped off,but still a tuff card.

Joe