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mighty bombjack
11-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Google search isn't turning up much. Anyone know anything bout these guys?

Duluth Eskimo
11-19-2012, 09:21 PM
Good guys, but as usual judge the item not the cert.

Scott Garner
11-19-2012, 09:36 PM
Wayne is a long time collector/dealer in the hobby and he comes recommended.
I definitely agree with the philosophy of the previous poster that you should examine any piece carefully, FWIW.

mighty bombjack
11-19-2012, 09:51 PM
Thanks guys. There is a seller with a number of TOUGH autos for sale, promising Stivers COAs. I don't like a number of the autos, and the prices are very low for many of these guys. I just saw the names and wanted to ask.

Runscott
11-19-2012, 11:32 PM
Do you mean Wayne Stivers who has been compiling Negro League box scores forever, and who collects and sells Negro league player autographs, etc.? If so, he's someone who I've communicated with regularly over the years and I certainly trust him. I'm unaware of his doing any authentication.

mighty bombjack
11-19-2012, 11:39 PM
Do you mean Wayne Stivers who has been compiling Negro League box scores forever, and who collects and sells Negro league player autographs, etc.? If so, he's someone who I've communicated with regularly over the years and I certainly trust him. I'm unaware of his doing any authentication.

I don't know if that's who I mean.

Take a look at this auction. I have plenty of reasons not to make this purchase, but I noticed the names in the auction and wanted to ask if they meant anything to anyone here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281021966606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Same seller has a number of high end autos with the same "Lifetime Letter of Authenticity - Wayne and Mike Stivers" line.

drc
11-20-2012, 12:18 AM
The Wayne Scott mentioned is a Negro Leagues researcher for the Baseball Hall of Fame.

daves_resale_shop
03-17-2013, 09:30 AM
Came across this one on ebay (ends today)...

Auto seems questionable at best given Keurajian & other examplars...

What do you guys think? Is this gentleman a reputable autograph dealer?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-BRESNAHAM-AUTOGRAPH-ON-1939-STAMP-/281075710909?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item41716afbbd

RichardSimon
03-17-2013, 10:41 AM
Thanks guys. There is a seller with a number of TOUGH autos for sale, promising Stivers COAs. I don't like a number of the autos, and the prices are very low for many of these guys. I just saw the names and wanted to ask.

Wayne,
Seems like you already knew the answer to your question before you asked.

mighty bombjack
03-17-2013, 11:35 AM
Wayne,
Seems like you already knew the answer to your question before you asked.

This was a while back, but I certainly did know the answer on that specific auto (don't remember who it was). I was looking to educate myself on the name Stivers. Really, I was asking if that was a bad auto somehow fraudulently attached to a reputable LOA or if the LOA itself was meaningless.

Know what I mean? There are some LOAs that turn me away from even considering the auto itself. There are some that don't.

mighty bombjack
03-17-2013, 11:37 AM
Came across this one on ebay (ends today)...

Auto seems questionable at best given Keurajian & other examplars...

What do you guys think? Is this gentleman a reputable autograph dealer?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-BRESNAHAM-AUTOGRAPH-ON-1939-STAMP-/281075710909?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item41716afbbd

This seller was mentioned in the current "eBay isn't taking anything down" thread. I agree with Richard that some of his stuff looks legit, particularly in completed auctions, but a huge amount of his stuff is BAD. I'd stay away.

RichardSimon
03-17-2013, 11:43 AM
That seller is either knowingly mixing good with bad autographs or he had no clue and just bought without doing any homework.

daves_resale_shop
03-17-2013, 11:46 AM
This seller was mentioned in the current "eBay isn't taking anything down" thread. I agree with Richard that some of his stuff looks legit, particularly in completed auctions, but a huge amount of his stuff is BAD. I'd stay away.
Thanks Wayne,

Just finished reading that thread and looking at the sellers listings... The George wright is as amazing as the Grover Alexander and John McGraw that he recently slipped through the eBay cracks...

jgmp123
03-17-2013, 01:10 PM
Yeah I hate that this guy has been peddling fakes with the occasional real auto in there...I do believe that the McGowan and Billy Evans are real...the rest, not so much...

daves_resale_shop
03-17-2013, 02:27 PM
the evans looks good, but looking at keurajian's exemplars the McGowan appears off...

Yeah I hate that this guy has been peddling fakes with the occasional real auto in there...I do believe that the McGowan and Billy Evans are real...the rest, not so much...

earlywynnfan
03-17-2013, 04:07 PM
This was a while back, but I certainly did know the answer on that specific auto (don't remember who it was). I was looking to educate myself on the name Stivers. Really, I was asking if that was a bad auto somehow fraudulently attached to a reputable LOA or if the LOA itself was meaningless.

Know what I mean? There are some LOAs that turn me away from even considering the auto itself. There are some that don't.

Wayne Stivers is/was one of the best of the best, the #1 guy to go to for Negro Lg autos. He dabbled in some others, but I have no recollection of him selling higher-end MLB guys. Also, none of my LOA's from items I got from Wayne have "Mike" included; I don't have an explanation for this.

Ken

theshleps
03-18-2013, 02:15 PM
I have bought from Wayne over the years. I bought a Andy Cooper that is a perfect match to the one in the Negro Leagues book but not a match to the one in Ron's new book. Also got a Mathewson from him that Jim Stinson looked at and was't sure. Might sell the Cooper as it should be worth alot. Got lots os Negro League from him and he did supply COA's on some.

Runscott
03-18-2013, 02:20 PM
Wayne Stivers is/was one of the best of the best, the #1 guy to go to for Negro Lg autos. He dabbled in some others, but I have no recollection of him selling higher-end MLB guys. Also, none of my LOA's from items I got from Wayne have "Mike" included; I don't have an explanation for this.

Ken

All I know is that Wayne has helped me out tremendously over the years, with black baseball history research - always willing to share information, and very appreciative of anything I've been able to help him with. I've only bought one item from him, which I was very happy with.

JimStinson
03-18-2013, 05:10 PM
The listing was for an autograph of Roger Bresnaham, and the autograph sold for $76.00.

ROGER BRESNAHAN'S autograph sells for $1,000 and up as he is a Hall of Fame catcher that has been deceased for almost 70 years.

I've never heard of Roger Bresnaham , but I'm guessing the fellow that paid $76.00 for his autograph HAS. But whoever it is it comes with a COA, I wonder how the name is spelled on that.
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RichardSimon
03-18-2013, 05:31 PM
The listing was for an autograph of Roger Bresnaham, and the autograph sold for $76.00.

ROGER BRESNAHAN'S autograph sells for $1,000 and up as he is a Hall of Fame catcher that has been deceased for almost 70 years.

I've never heard of Roger Bresnaham , but I'm guessing the fellow that paid $76.00 for his autograph HAS. But whoever it is it comes with a COA, I wonder how the name is spelled on that.
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Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed "Ed Delehanty" then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

JimStinson
03-18-2013, 05:43 PM
Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed Ed Delehanty then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

I'm holding out for a LOIS GEHRIG or BABE ROOT...;)
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RichardSimon
03-18-2013, 06:56 PM
I'm holding out for a LOIS GEHRIG or BABE ROOT...;)
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How much will you pay?? :D

travrosty
03-20-2013, 05:07 PM
Hey, if a letter can sell for $30K that was signed "Ed Delehanty" then Roger Bresnaham can sell for $76.:rolleyes:

checking the spelling of ed's last name was not psa or jsa's strong suit.