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Marckus99
11-07-2012, 05:32 PM
Yup....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIKE-TROUT-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-2009-BOWMAN-CHROME-AUTO-RED-REFRACTOR-1-2-/251160084056?_trksid=p2045573.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D 1%26asc%3D146%26meid%3D3301099278147692587%26pid%3 D100034%26prg%3D1079%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D190748440634% 26

cubsfan-budman
11-07-2012, 05:43 PM
i saw that yesterday and sent it to my non-collector friends.

what a joke.

bn2cardz
11-07-2012, 05:44 PM
This was talked about a couple of weeks ago...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=157991&highlight=trout

t206fix
11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
OK, what does DP & PROS. mean?

I get the Autograph, but does Red Refractor mean anything to the value of this card? Are there other refractors? What is a refractor, anyway? Can I get a t206 in a red ref? What does this all mean!!!!!!!

novakjr
11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
That's ridiculous. Too many people are overly obsesses with parallels and color variations that result in 1/1s or 1/2's....There's plenty of this card out there, just not red ones... I'd think that ultimately, if someone were dead set on investing in Trout, their money would be better spent on the regular chrome AUTO or Bowman Sterling AUTO.

HRBAKER
11-07-2012, 06:31 PM
OK, what does DP & PROS. mean?

Assume Draft Picks and Prospects.

Paul S
11-07-2012, 06:58 PM
He does, however, have a very cool signature.

prewarsports
11-07-2012, 07:10 PM
The dumbest thing about it is the 90 OFFERS!

chaddurbin
11-07-2012, 07:20 PM
wish I had the money

drmondobueno
11-07-2012, 07:40 PM
91 offers now. Offered 5 bucks and got turned down.;)

packs
11-07-2012, 09:22 PM
At least there's a second one out there somewhere.

brianp-beme
11-07-2012, 10:32 PM
The dumbest thing about it is the 90 OFFERS!

Or perhaps that the lot has currently been viewed over 13000 times. I'm lucky if I get 50 views when I have listed on ebay.

Brian

ctownboy
11-07-2012, 11:14 PM
Honestly, if someone had $50,000 dollars and they liked Mike Trout that much wouldn't it be MUCH simpler just to get in contact with him (or his agent) and see how much it would cost to buy a game used uniform, hat, cleats, bat, glove, batting gloves, etc (or all of the above)?

I mean, which would you rather show off, a single card or an actual game used item? Also, if Trout continues to play like he did this past year, which would be a better investment, the card or a game used item from early in his career?

David

alanu
11-07-2012, 11:20 PM
OK, what does DP & PROS. mean?

Assume Draft Picks and Prospects.

That's correct, it's just the name of the product.

How much did that Stephen Strausburg super duper refractor sell for a couple years back, about $18K?

It looks like this seller is just looking for the best offer he can get, 92 offers, wish I could see the highest offer.

familytoad
11-08-2012, 12:42 AM
So there are just 2 PSA slabbed of these super rare cards, assume none from BVG or SGC. That leaves 3 more floating around the universe, either in modern collections or in unopened packs.
There should be a run on those lottery tickets...er, packs of baseball cards.
Its like Wonka's golden ticket...who's the next Charlie Buckett :D

autograf
11-08-2012, 03:20 PM
@HRBAKER.....thank you for clarifing the DP and PROS question. Was a little worried there.....

EvilKing00
11-08-2012, 03:28 PM
what a joke,

E93
11-08-2012, 07:14 PM
Am I the only one here who does not know what a refractor is?
JimB

Eric72
11-08-2012, 08:57 PM
Am I the only one here who does not know what a refractor is?
JimB
Jim,

Beginning with a handful of Topps products released in the early 1990's, certain cards have been available which had a step added to the printing process that causes them to reflect light back to the observer and refract it (hence the name) into the various wavelengths of visible light. Think of a prism bending white light into a rainbow of colors.

In my opinion, it is tough to accurately capture the effect with a still photo. Two fairly common things I have seen which come close to replicating it are oil spots on asphalt and dish soap floating on water. Light reflects back to you; however, changes color depending on the angle from which you are viewing it. Diamond rings and crystals will also do similar things...tilt them one way and you eventually see red, tilt them in another direction and you eventually see violet. Along the way, you see all the colors in between. Tilt the “refractors” and you get the same results.

So, anyway...because the refractor cards are different, and produced in relatively smaller quantities; they tend to carry higher values. In a way, the collectors of modern material likely view these variations in a way similar to T206 collectors viewing the various backs available. I am not comparing the cards here...just floating an idea regarding the mindset that goes into paying extra money for the refractors. As for the $50,000 asking price for the particular refractor in question, I personally think the seller is being breathtakingly optimistic...at best.

Hope the explanation was adequate. Sorry if I wandered into the weeds a bit on the reply.

Best Regards,

Eric

Leon
11-09-2012, 12:39 PM
Jim,

Beginning with a handful of Topps products released in the early 1990's, certain cards have been available which had a step added to the printing process that causes them to reflect light back to the observer and refract it (hence the name) into the various wavelengths of visible light. Think of a prism bending white light into a rainbow of colors.

In my opinion, it is tough to accurately capture the effect with a still photo. Two fairly common things I have seen which come close to replicating it are oil spots on asphalt and dish soap floating on water. Light reflects back to you; however, changes color depending on the angle from which you are viewing it. Diamond rings and crystals will also do similar things...tilt them one way and you eventually see red, tilt them in another direction and you eventually see violet. Along the way, you see all the colors in between. Tilt the “refractors” and you get the same results.

So, anyway...because the refractor cards are different, and produced in relatively smaller quantities; they tend to carry higher values. In a way, the collectors of modern material likely view these variations in a way similar to T206 collectors viewing the various backs available. I am not comparing the cards here...just floating an idea regarding the mindset that goes into paying extra money for the refractors. As for the $50,000 asking price for the particular refractor in question, I personally think the seller is being breathtakingly optimistic...at best.

Hope the explanation was adequate. Sorry if I wandered into the weeds a bit on the reply.

Best Regards,

Eric


Jim wasn't the only one that didn't really know. Thanks for the explanation. It is a good one.

esd10
11-10-2012, 09:17 AM
well i think its foolish to spend that type of scratch on a player who had one good year and it reminds me of stephen strasburg card that sold on ebay for over 100k. These are unproven players who had one good year and people pay crazy for whats hot right now on ebay and think its a investment and when these players fall flat on there faces and you now have a card worth $100 maybe they will have a sour taste in there mouth.

rjackson44
11-10-2012, 09:34 AM
The old saying a sucker born every day,,,:cool:

sam majors
11-10-2012, 01:03 PM
I was the person who made the 100th offer! He did not accept my $4.00 bid. I guess some lucky person will get it for $5.00!! Damn the bad luck.

Leon
11-11-2012, 01:52 PM
UP to 102 offers. You could have that or something like this, your pick? I wonder which will hold value better?

http://luckeycards.com/phunc1869peckandsnyderfinal2.JPG




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rjackson44
11-11-2012, 02:05 PM
What about the other angel he's good too omg,,,,mark troumbo:mad: