T213 Coupons....

[Leon]

Having just finished a tiny trifecta with these red Cobby's lets see some T213s if you have them!! Special thanks to Kevin Struss for working out a deal with me for the type 2, to finish them. After missing the one in the last REA I patiently :) wanted to get it crossed off my list ....but to find a nice one is kind of tough.

http://luckeycards.com/pt213cobbmaster.jpg

[kdixon]

Here are some Wheats.

[Mikehealer]

I'm looking for a Type 3 Evers

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/johnnyevers/large/Evers-Coupon.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/johnnyevers/large/T213-2%20Evers.jpg

[t213]

Here are all six Benders from type 2.
Andy

[atx840]

Nice trio Leon. Both Hofman's


http://i.imgur.com/HGnun.jpg

[kdixon]

Leon, I just noticed something different about the type 3 T213 I posted. On mine the factory information is right under the Collect Them with a line under the information. On yours and on all ones I looked at on ebay the information is about a quarter inch lower and under the line. What do you think?

[atx840]

A rarer overprint example.

"In some rare instances, this typography was “blacked out” by a bold black “OVERPRINT”, with a revised FACTORY No.8 DIST OF LA.” label printed directly above the black overprint. These “overprint” scarce subjects are virtually non-existent with advanced tobacco collectors actively seeking the few that do exist."

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=11039

[kdixon]

Chris, thanks so much for that information. I had never paid much attention to the card until I compared it to Leons type 3. I looked at all 83 T213 type 3 listed on ebay and the 5 in the completed section and didnt find another one like mine. This board is great for answering questions and I really appreciate it.

[E93]

Leon,
Nice Cobb run!!!

I have just one type example.
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/t206backs/websize/T213-1%20McEleveen.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/t206backs/websize/T206_T213-1McElveen_Coupon%20back.jpg

[Jaybird]

I've got a few. Here's one...


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/jasonleemiller/1910-1920/T213QuinnBalto.jpg

[Bosox Blair]

How about Speaker?

[djrhanover]

Here are a few:

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponcobb50x.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponmattyeverschase.jpg
..http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponmattyeverschase25xb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910COUPONchasedkcap38x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/T213x1blueCHASEx25b.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponchance25x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponchance25xb.jpg





TED Z

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/CouponDonlin300.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/CouponDonlin300b.jpg


TED Z

[buymycards]

Hi Kenny, your Type 3 overprint is quite a card. That has to be one of the toughest cards from a tough set. I noticed that the back of your card is OC top to bottom, as is the example in the Standard Catalog and also the example in Lew Lipset's book.

Rick

[Leon]

The overprints are very tough and do add a little premium to them, in my experience.

http://luckeycards.com/pt2133master.jpg

[cguidi]

I just scored the T213 Walter Johnson (Type 2) with a double name (barely) printed at the top (Nap Lajoie) at the Brockelman & Luckey Auction. Don't have it in yet but here is a pic...

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910CouponMcIntyre.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910CouponMcIntyreb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhuggins.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhugginsb.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponwillett25x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponwillett25xb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/couponsummers.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/couponsummersb.jpg


TED Z

[ZernialFan]

My three 213-2's

[srs1a]

I picked this one up recently from the BST board -- thanks Quan.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfolderssv/srs1a/mycards//1914%20T213-II%20Johnson%20-%20SGC%2030.jpg

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/at213type3chase.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/at213type3chasebk.jpg



TED Z

[tedzan]

...................... 1910 ........................................... 1915 ........................................... 1913 ........................................ 1919 .....................
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/T213rossleachmcleanchase.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/T213rossleachmcleanchaseb.jpg




.................................................. .................................................. ............................................ circa 1915 ..............................................

.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/schaeferlenoxcoupon50x.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/schaeferlenoxcoupon50xb.jpg



NOTE.....Does anyone have any info regarding Schaefer being with K. C. of the Federal League (FL) ?

I know he played for Newark (FL) in 1915.....but, cannot find any info regarding him on K. C.


TED Z

[ValKehl]

Here's a Type 3 of WaJo:

[tedzan]

Hey Val

Really great looking Johnson.



Hey guys, here's a challenge that you will find quite interesting....try putting together a 4-card sub-set of any of the 16 - Southern Association players
in the 1910 COUPON set that were printed with these four T-brand backs. Pick your favorite guy(s).....mine is Ted Breitenstein.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/TedbreitensteinTchop50x.jpg

.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/TedbreitensteinTchop50xb.jpg


TED Z

[big80s]

My lone contribution...

http://packgeek.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1914_t213_coupon_cigarettes_baker_double.jpg

[t206blogcom]

My only Coupon card:

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/t213-Zimmermann-Coupon.jpg

[nolemmings]

I have a few-- I like this Mugsy:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverhere/prewar/various/large/t213-2mcgraw.jpg

[tbob]

A rarer overprint example.

"In some rare instances, this typography was “blacked out” by a bold black “OVERPRINT”, with a revised FACTORY No.8 DIST OF LA.” label printed directly above the black overprint. These “overprint” scarce subjects are virtually non-existent with advanced tobacco collectors actively seeking the few that do exist."

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=11039


"virtually non-existent"? No.
Much scarcer and tougher to find? Yes.
My T213-3 set had 12 overprinted factory backs including McGraw, Cobb, Bender, etc. with the rest the regular factory backs. All came from the same source.

[teetwoohsix]

Amazing cards everyone- thanks for posting those !!! This is a great thread. I don't have any T-213 Coupons but always enjoy looking at them, thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

[joeadcock]

T213 Cy Barger Type 2

[atx840]

T213 Cy Barger Type 2

What a beauty Joe!

[buymycards]

Some beaters

[buymycards]

more

[buymycards]

a couple more

[RCMcKenzie]

interesting to note that Jeff Sweeney appears in all 3 Coupon series. Here is a type 2 I got the other day...

www.ebay.com/itm/320992854307?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:I7&_trksil=p3984.ml497.12649

[ullmandds]

here are a few of my type I's.

[RCMcKenzie]

Nice cards, Peter.

Y'all may have already gone over this, but by my count there are 19 subjects that have all three Coupon series backs. The 6 superprints and Byrne, Donovan, Doolan, Dubuc, Dunn, Huggins port and hm, Mowrey, Paskert, Jeff Sweeney, and Thomas. I do not have Gabby Street(so i don't know the Street variation in series 1 which comes in port and fielding in series 2 and 3)... edit to add Myers fielding

[Bwstew]

Real curious about the louisiana find! Since I'm from La want to read up on it. Anyone have any info or know where i might can find some? Thanks BW

[Bosox Blair]

Real curious about the louisiana find! Since I'm from La want to read up on it. Anyone have any info or know where i might can find some? Thanks BW

Here you go:

http://blog.robertedwardauctions.com/?p=310

Cheers,
Blair

[Bwstew]

Thanks for the link!

[tedzan]

Let's see some more COUPON cards.....any kind.....depicted here is a Vaudeville and Movie star, George Beban.....circa 1915.



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1915CouponGeorgeBebanb.jpg . http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1915CouponGeorgeBeban.jpg



TED Z

[Bosox Blair]

One more:

[buymycards]

Hi Ted, I have been watching for one of these for the past couple of years but I haven't seen any on ebay. This is a T82 - Series of Movie Stars. Part of a 50 card set made somewhere between 1915 and 1920.

Thanks for posting it.

Rick

[milkit1]

Heres my complete set of Chase's

77273

[tedzan]

Hi Ted, I have been watching for one of these for the past couple of years but I haven't seen any on ebay. This is a T82 - Series of Movie Stars. Part of a 50 card set made somewhere between 1915 and 1920.

Thanks for posting it.

Rick

As you know, the T82 (RECRUIT tobacco) Movie stars are fairly easy to find. But, their COUPON tobacco counterparts are tough.

The George Beban card is the only one I have, and is my type card.

Best regards,

TED Z

[Leon]

A few other coupons. Always like the background color with the Cobby bat on and off..

[RCMcKenzie]

A board member requested scans of Nashville Coupons77800

77801

77802

77803, so since I made them I thought I would also include them here..

[z28jd]

Bringing back this thread to share my one T213, bought it because it is a Pirates player(close enough) and because of the double-name up top. Schaefer KC. Back is miscut the same amount

[tedzan]

Bringing back this thread to share my one T213, bought it because it is a Pirates player(close enough) and because of the double-name up top. Schaefer KC. Back is miscut the same amount


.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/schaeferlenoxcoupon50x.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/schaeferlenoxcoupon50xb.jpg


Hey John

Here is the rest of the card above your Owen Wilson card.


TED Z

[RCMcKenzie]

78560

78561


A couple of weeks ago I asked if the T213-1 Street was portrait or fielding. With lots of help I was able to see that it's the portrait.

[frohme]

Mostly rough and all shown here before, I believe

Camnitz (w/Bender) and Carey w/lots o' baggage

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10767.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10058.jpg

and Wilson (w/Wilson),
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/3de0ea8c-1-1.jpg

[RCMcKenzie]

78698

78699

Mike that Carey is not that bad. The extra paper stuck to the back would probably soak right off.

[DixieBaseball]

Man, I am sorry I glossed over this thread and missed it... Think I will revive it from a few weeks ago. --- Rob - here are the other 2 Gabby's to go along with your Type 1 :

[RCMcKenzie]

80421



Jeremy, thanks for the Street port type 1. Also, I have updated the list of subjects that appear in all three coupon types to 21. Updated with Street port and Bender trees.

[ullmandds]

The Red Cross Byrne discussions caused me to take a closer look at Bobby's career...and also to look at my byrne coupons cards.

It seems byrnes left st louis early in his career...never to return...yet the type 3...supposedly dated 1919 lists him w/st louis. Not to mention he appears to have been long retired by then as well.

I know there are other examples of retired players included as well. Weird!

[tedzan]

The Red Cross Byrne discussions caused me to take a closer look at Bobby's career...and also to look at my byrne coupons cards.

It seems byrnes left st louis early in his career...never to return...yet the type 3...supposedly dated 1919 lists him w/st louis. Not to mention he appears to have been long retired by then as well.

I know there are other examples of retired players included as well. Weird!

Peter

He did return to St Louis....owned a Bowling Alley there. It is reported that he once bowled 19 consecutive strikes, including a 300 game.

So, perhaps this earned Bobby a slot on a T213-3 card :)

TED Z

[ullmandds]

ha ha...thanx ted...sounds like he was a better bowler...than baller!!!!

[DixieBaseball]

Let's see some more Type 1's..

[ullmandds]

here are some more!

[DixieBaseball]

Peter - I never get tired of seeing that Reagan, even if it is a micro-scan !

[Abravefan11]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_z7r97i3qpA/UMP-c1Gwb3I/AAAAAAAAHlI/tEaDpDuqTEA/s812/Herzog.jpg

[ullmandds]

Sorry...i havent figured out new scanner yet!!!

[RCMcKenzie]

I was digging through my T213-1 collection to show this Jeff Sweeney back run, and I just realized that I do not have a Jeff Sweeney. I have a Bill Sweeney. Unless someone has a scan of a T213-1 Jeff Sweeney, I am assuming the sgc registry list as well as the latest SCD that I have, 2006, is incorrect.

I must amend what I said at the beginning of the thread about Jeff Sweeney appearing in all 3 Coupon sets. My list of subjects is now back down to 20 with all 3 backs.80697

80698

80699

80700

80701

80702

[Abravefan11]

Unless someone has a scan of a T213-1 Jeff Sweeney, I am assuming the sgc registry list as well as the latest SCD that I have, 2006, is incorrect.

The 2011 SCD lists Jeff Sweeney as well, but it's Bill. A quick note to SGC and SCD should get the lists corrected.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ILJmUcNgO9I/TmpAgpwcE5I/AAAAAAAAFbA/BtWuPvYI67Q/s640/T213SweeneyType1.jpg

Here's Bill's Type 2.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-apSrrqRHy1o/ThyulAWoEsI/AAAAAAAAFHs/PQgc7YtKsBo/s700/T213SweeneyType2.jpg

[RCMcKenzie]

Tim, thanks for verifying this. I just looked in Lipset's Encyclopedia and he has Bill Sweeney listed correctly. No Jeff Sweeney.

[calvindog]

Someone, anyone -- feel free to sell me a type 1 Chase.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910102410/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3117/2910102410_5b264ec81b_o.jpg" width="900" height="770" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/8003599113/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Buffalo) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/8003599113_97bbb4c52f_o.jpg" width="848" height="685" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Buffalo)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/6419135665/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6419135665_f53e9bec84_o.jpg" width="999" height="803" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5343585290/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Holding Cup (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5003/5343585290_a7ca564376_o.jpg" width="900" height="728" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Holding Cup (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909255695/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3206/2909255695_fee0865c2e_o.jpg" width="900" height="763" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909256173/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Throwing by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3144/2909256173_de5936704d_o.jpg" width="900" height="734" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Throwing"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5905044073/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Holding Cup by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5275/5905044073_0504e61c27_o.jpg" width="968" height="810" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Holding Cup"></a>

[RCMcKenzie]

80710

80711

80712

80713

I have 1 for trade. I am going to put this over in my bst thread which has a trade-for list.

[ullmandds]

Can anything be deduced based on the differences in print quality between...say...t213-I's as compared to T213-2's...and the most washed out T213-3...and may as well add the t215-2's into the discussion? I just upgraded the t213-3(both are shown).

[ullmandds]

And a better scan!

[RCMcKenzie]

Peter,

I agree that T213-3 usually has a more faded look than type 1 and 2. Type 2 can be less sharp when in lower grade, but in mid to high grade the type 2 Coupons have sharp registration

81280

[ullmandds]

I agree! I have/have seen type 2's as vivid as t206...but most type 3's...as well as t216/d303/e106 tend to look fuzzy/washed out?!

[tedzan]

My guess is that by 1919, the same printing plates that were used to print T206's approx. 10 years earlier were quite worn out by the time the T213-3
cards were printed.....hence, the "fuzzy/washed out" images.

What's your guess ?


TED Z

[oaks1912]

The decline of printing quality post WW 1 was partially due to raw materials coming over from Europe, and the many toxic elements contained in Victorian / Edwardian era inks which were being removed from that field.... Ted , much like running our cars ('60 T-Bird and '64 GTO) on 91 octane "premium" gas, when they were designed for 105 octane. Standing still they look the same, i.e. same pose.... But looking closer you see a shell of what was once there...i.e washed out image

[RCMcKenzie]

I'd like to thank the hobby vets who help new collectors on here everyday. I have a question about the printing process. Scott B. mentioned recently that 150 series cards produce the best registration, because they are the earlier plates.

From this information I would assume that 150 series would command a huge premium in the way that earliest woodcuts command a premium.

[buymycards]

I didn't realize this had an upside down back when I bid on it.

[ullmandds]

rick...is it possible that byrne is rebacked?

[sb1]

yes it's two cards put together. please soak it, don't peel it off.

[RCMcKenzie]

That card is already rough, so it doesn't matter, but my experience with soaking a t213-2 is that the front faded badly. I will post a scan of the card I soaked.

8588985890

[Bridwell]

Yeah, but aren't you dying to know what player is on that other card?

[calvindog]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/8405095959/" title="1910 Coupon Cigarettes T213-1 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8364/8405095959_05e047d505_c.jpg" width="800" height="673" alt="1910 Coupon Cigarettes T213-1 Portrait"></a>


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910102410/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3117/2910102410_5b264ec81b_o.jpg" width="900" height="770" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909255695/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3206/2909255695_fee0865c2e_o.jpg" width="900" height="763" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait"></a>

[buymycards]

Yes, it does look like it could be two cards. I will have to take a closer look at it under a magnifying glass. Might be interesting. Thanks.

[buymycards]

I compared it to another type 2 and it is much thicker. After looking at it under a magnifying glass it appears to be two cards stuck together. The card is brittle and pretty delicate so I hate to try to separate the cards. I tried a blow dryer to heat it up just to see if it separated a little bit but it didn't make any difference.

I think I will leave it alone. I'm sure the hidden card is either Ty Cobb or Walter Johnson. :)

[ullmandds]

Cmon rick...its a beater byrne...he needs a bath!!!

[buymycards]

I was just checking out the pop reports for the Type 2 Coupons. What a mess. SGC has them listed alphabetically by first name. PSA has some alphabetically by first name, some by last name, and some inserted randomly. Why can't the grading companies provide some decent info? Is is that hard to put them in order by last name?

Thanks for letting me vent!


Rick

[RCMcKenzie]

Thanks to Ted Z


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86268

[Leon]

Thanks to Ted Z



sweet Chance Coupons...

[Brian Weisner]

Nice Chance's.... Here's mine...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Image1076_zps2ddc0c4b.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Image1077_zps3a101959.jpg



Be well Brian

[DeanH3]

Here are my two. Hope you guys don't mind me posting these again. I love the trifecta Chance and Cobb. I may try that with the Matty someday.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/T213-1Matty.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/Card%20Backs/T213-1Mattybck.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/T213Johnson.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/Card%20Backs/T213JohnsonBck.jpg

[RCMcKenzie]

86386

86387

Leon, Brian, thanks. Dean, great cards.


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