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shelly
08-13-2012, 02:46 PM
I was just wondering why no one posted this?

August 10, 2012 8:35 PM

PSA stays mum about Honus Wagner T206 in public, but not in private
BY Michael O'Keeffe

When a federal grand jury in Chicago indicted sports memorabilia executives Bill Mastro and Doug Allen on fraud charges last month, the first question many collectors and dealers asked was “What does this mean for PSA?”

PSA is Professional Sports Authenticators, the Southern California grading service that declared the world’s most famous and expensive baseball card – a Honus Wagner T206 once owned by NHL star Wayne Gretzky -- an eight on a scale of 1-10 in 1991.

The indictment claims that Mastro trimmed the card, which would make it significantly less valuable. Mastro’s lawyer has said that he expects the case against his client will be resolved without a trial, suggesting that Mastro is not only cooperating with the authorities, but will eventually acknowledge that he did indeed alter the card.

As we wrote in “The Card,” our book about the T206 Wagner and corruption in the hobby, a member of the PSA team that graded the card acknowledged that he knew the card was trimmed. Visitors to the National Sports Collectors Convention in Baltimore last week say an FBI agent spent a lot of time at the company’s booth at the Baltimore Convention Center questioning PSA president Joe Orlando.

PSA has not publicly commented on the allegations in the indictment or in our book and newspaper articles. Orlando and David Hall, the president of Collectors Universe, PSA’s parent company, have not responded to requests for interviews.

But a mole who attended PSA’s invitation-only lunch at the National says the indictment and the allegations about the card were the main topic of discussion. Also, our spy tells us, the chicken Marsala was quite good.

Our mole says about 150 collectors and dealers attended the lunch, held Friday at the convention center. Hall, he says, got up and said he had to address the “800-pound gorilla in the room” – the indictment.

“He asked for a show of hands and said, ‘Anyone here see the Wagner?’ A bunch of hands go up. Then he asked, ‘Has anyone seen it outside its holder?’ And he is the only one with his hand up.

“He takes out a magnifying glass and says ‘I have examined every aspect of that card. The only question we had was if it should be a PSA 7 or a PSA 8. We never considered that it had been altered,” our spy says.

Hall, according to our source, told his audience that they should question Mastro’s motives; Mastro might have agreed to say the card is trimmed as part of a deal with prosecutors. “He was suggesting you can’t believe Mastro, because now he will do anything to save himself,” our spy says.

Hall, according to our mole, also said Bill Hughes, the member of the grading team who told us he knew the card had been trimmed, has denied making those comments. Hall, our spy says, claims Hughes says it is an “out and out lie” that he knew the card had been trimmed.

Hall, our source added, also said PSA stood by its grade and would compensate the owner if it is proved that the card had been trimmed. But he didn’t say if the company would pay $300, the fee it charges to grade cards worth $10,000 or more, or the $2.8 million current owner Ken Kendrick paid for it in 2007.

For the record, we stand by our work, too.

Our spy also tells us that Hall said PSA has paid out $13 million to people who have cards that have been misgraded. “My thought was, you’ve screwed up a lot if you’ve paid out $13 million,” he says.

Hall, our spy adds, did not take any questions.

“Here’s David Hall,” our mole concludes. “The ship is sinking and he’s saying, ‘Look at the beautiful sunset and not at the water we are taking on.’”



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ullmandds
08-13-2012, 03:04 PM
thanks for posting this...but...it doesn't really add anything that wasn't already said/known?

Pup6913
08-13-2012, 09:23 PM
There was a rumor I heard that Joe O was taken out in cuffs by the Feds. Can't say it's true since I didn't see it but the rumor spread very quickly Friday before the convention closed. No validity has been given to this rumor as to wether its true:D or false:(

Leon
08-13-2012, 09:26 PM
There was a rumor I heard that Joe O was taken out in cuffs by the Feds. Can't say it's true since I didn't see it but the rumor spread very quickly Friday before the convention closed. No validity has been given to this rumor as to wether its true:D or false:(\\

Anyone getting arrested at the National, including Joe O, was a false rumor.

Pup6913
08-13-2012, 09:28 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Leon. I figured if it was true we would have heard more. So it is just that...a rumor

Exhibitman
08-14-2012, 04:45 AM
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Anyone getting arrested at the National, including Joe O, was a false rumor.


So the rumor that after the arrest PSA would accept packs of smokes for grade reviews also wasn't true?

WhenItWasAHobby
08-14-2012, 05:51 PM
I was just wondering why no one posted this?

Shelly,

We did get real-time posts on one of either the Wagner/Mastro/Black Swamp threads by one of the members who attended the luncheon when David Hall was speaking, but thanks for posting this. The article does add some minor details of issues that I was not aware of.

I hadn't attended a registry luncheon since 2003 (Atlantic City) where collectors were disturbed and confused regarding the rumors about PSA going to half grades. When the topic came up at the luncheon, Joe Orlando announced, "Read my lips, no half grades!" Since Joe Orlando is one of the most stand-up guys in the hobby and that was a verbal declaration, I now realize what Joe really meant was "Read my lips, KNOW half grades!" - as in "know" in the biblical sense - a knowledge of passion and intimacy.

Another heartwarming story is that a friend of mine who attended the 2009 Registry Luncheon asked Joe a question about concerns of doctored cards in PSA holders. This happened as the luncheon was breaking up and Joe, being quick on his feet, gave my friend a personal and speedy escort out the exit door to make certain my friend didn't get trampled over by other attendees rushing out of the venue to get back to the convention. That's how much Joe cares about the hobby. Unfortunately, the downside of this preferential treatment is that it didn't give Joe any time to respond to the question.

Paul S
08-14-2012, 06:06 PM
So the rumor that after the arrest PSA would accept packs of smokes for grade reviews also wasn't true?

Only if the packs were from Old Mill.

Peter_Spaeth
08-14-2012, 06:09 PM
Dan, at least PSA doesn't stifle discussion on the CU board.

WhenItWasAHobby
08-14-2012, 06:55 PM
Dan, at least PSA doesn't stifle discussion on the CU board.

Peter,

It's funny you brought that up. You are right, but PSA does know when to say when for their posters. You know I used to do a lot of posting on the CU board - way too much to be honest when I now think back on it. Anytime some malcontent was blowing off smoke about some hobby scandal or some schmuck was moaning about getting fleeced, I'd get sucked into the discussion only to have the thread disappear. I know now it was Joe’s unspoken subtle way of saying, “Dan, you’ve got a wife and a son – spend some quality time with them – I’ll take care of these issues myself and everything’s going to be great.”

After years of this self-destructive, addictive behavior, around late August 2009, Joe in his infinite wisdom did one of his "tough love interventions" and blocked me from posting on the CU Board - undoubtedly so that I could spend a lot more time with my family. Is he amazing or what?