T206 back sets?

[BobbyVCP]

Are the back sets pretty much complete or is it still a work in progress? Reason I ask is it seems like new cards for the AB no frame seem to be popping up all the time. Today there is a listing for Frill and it was not on the list. So wanted to make sure the seller did not post the wrong back in the scan.

[tedzan]

Bobby

Regarding the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs, the following is a complete list with respect to the the two series these cards were printed in..


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/aamericanbeauty460.jpg" alt="[linked image]">


Complete......75 confirmed cards

350/460 Series..................29 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series..................46 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



TED Z

[BobbyVCP]

So this is an exact list and any card that is not on it and claims to have a AB-NF back is then a fake?

[brianp-beme]

I just noticed that my token American Beauty No Frame (Doyle with Bat) is not on the confirmed lists. I will confirm tonight and post a scan if my personal checklist is indeed accurate.

Brian

[tedzan]

So this is an exact list and any card that is not on it and claims to have a AB-NF back is then a fake?

I am speaking only of the T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards; and, I am certain that only these 75 subjects in the above list are found with this back.


TED Z

[White Borders]

AB No Frame usually refers to the AB 350 back without a frame (versus the AB 350 back that does have a frame). There is only one AB 460 back and it does not have a frame.

Doyle (Bat) has been confirmed with the AB 350 No Frame back.

Frill has been confirmed with the AB 460 back.

Attached are images of the three American Beauty backs taken from T206Resource.com:

Best regards and happy collecting :)
Craig

[tedzan]

I will repeat....that list pertains ONLY to AB 460 (Factory #42) cards.

The Doyle (batting) exists only with an AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (No Frame) back.

If you have an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (No Frame) T206 Doyle (batting)....please show us front/back scans ?


TED Z

[Rob D.]

T206Resource.com lists 75 confirmed AB 460 subjects:

http://www.t206resource.com/American%20Beauty%20460%20Checklist.html

Other AB checklists:

http://www.t206resource.com/American%20Beauty%20350%20Frame%20Checklist.html

http://www.t206resource.com/American%20Beauty%20350%20No%20Frame%20Checklist.h tml

[tedzan]

<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/ab350willetts460bks.jpg" alt="[linked image]">


AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame).....37 confirmed cards

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Wagner (bat on right)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


TED Z

[brianp-beme]

Thankfully there are folks on here that are paying attention (unlike myself). I evidently have the AB 350 No Frame...the exact back type is not listed in my personal checklist. I will still check tonight, and post it if by some miracle it has a 460 back. Of course if so, then it will immediately be for sale for $500,000.00. Otherwise I will consider myself to be thoroughly humbled, and will soon be begging for vintage bb cards on a street corner near you.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Alas...my AB Doyle is not the coveted (and apparently non-existent) AB 460 No Frame, but instead the more garden variety AB 350 No Framer. I thought I would scan this slender sprig of parsley anyways.

Brian