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esd10
06-05-2012, 05:14 PM
does paper loss always get you a grade of a psa 1 or sgc 10? the reason i ask i saw on ebay a e92 looks to have been glued to a book and its in a sgc 20 holder

bcookie
06-05-2012, 05:15 PM
i had a T-206 that graded a PSA 3 with paper loss on the front of the card

chaddurbin
06-05-2012, 05:18 PM
does paper loss always get you a grade of a psa 1 or sgc 10? the reason i ask i saw on ebay a e92 looks to have been glued to a book and its in a sgc 20 holder

you just answered ur own question?

T206Collector
06-05-2012, 05:29 PM
Here's a PSA 5 Cobb Green Portrait that I am VERY tired of seeing on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-TY-COBB-GREEN-PORTRAIT-Psa-5-low-Starting-Bid-/330741868030?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4d01c065fe#ht_500wt_1413

As you can see, there is a spot of paper loss in the top right corner.

bbcard1
06-05-2012, 05:39 PM
Here's a PSA 5 Cobb Green Portrait that I am VERY tired of seeing on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-TY-COBB-GREEN-PORTRAIT-Psa-5-low-Starting-Bid-/330741868030?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4d01c065fe#ht_500wt_1413

As you can see, there is a spot of paper loss in the top right corner.

Looking for someone who will buy the holder not the card on that one, eh?

Luke
06-05-2012, 05:53 PM
you just answered ur own question?

Lol
I regularly see/bid on psa 2s that have very nice fronts and a few spots of paper loss on the back

CMIZ5290
06-05-2012, 05:58 PM
Yea....that green cobb psa 5 first came on ebay when king kong was a monkey......

phikappapsi
06-05-2012, 05:59 PM
I have an E121-80 Hornsby that is darn near mint in every way, with the exception of a dime sized paper loss on the reverse. As far as I'm concerned that "poor" is one of the nicest cards in my collection

CMIZ5290
06-05-2012, 06:23 PM
I actually have a t206 frank chance psa 5 that looks like an 8, but on the back there is a tiny spot of paper loss. It actually has to be seen under magnification....in this situation, i think psa got the grade right but if it were in an 8 holder, not many people would even second glance it.....

RUSH2112
06-05-2012, 09:42 PM
If the mark on this card, which appears to be paperloss, is actually paperloss, then yes, they do grade above 1.

It also appears badly miscut cards also grade well on the PSA scale.

I intentionally blocked out the serial number. Not my card.

hangman62
06-05-2012, 09:46 PM
When King Kong was a monkey ! AAHAHA LOL
never heard that before !

Ral G

egbeachley
06-05-2012, 11:31 PM
If they are dirty, they get a 4.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/egbeachley/Ewing-f3.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/egbeachley/Ewing-f2.jpg

esd10
06-05-2012, 11:34 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-E92-Croft-Candy-LARRY-DOYLE-with-bat-NY-Nat-SGC-20-/120436772997?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c0a975085 this is what i'm talking about this looks to be a dime size chunk missing from where it was glued to something. I have seen nicer cards that get lower grades than this with no paper loss.

ValKehl
06-05-2012, 11:54 PM
This SGC 30 (which I currently have up on eBay) has a small area of paper loss on the back in addition to areas of stain.
Val

esd10
06-06-2012, 07:15 AM
thats a nice e97 with a small amount of paper loss but i use to remember if you had any paper loss it was a sgc 10 or psa 1

GregMitch34
06-06-2012, 11:47 AM
Here is an SGC 30 with paper loss on the back. Two questions: 1) Do they care less if on the back? 2) Since it got the SGC 30, and the front is very nice, would the paper loss hurt value or would it be considered a solid SGC 30?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T204-Ramly-Lou-Criger-SGC-30-2-1285804-098-/120917712719?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c2741df4f#ht_2678wt_1104

esd10
06-06-2012, 01:03 PM
have the grader's become less strict with the grades they give?

markf31
06-06-2012, 02:57 PM
thats a nice e97 with a small amount of paper loss but i use to remember if you had any paper loss it was a sgc 10 or psa 1

As far as I can remember paper loss, also referred to as a surface tear, has always been able to achieve a grade from SGC of Good 30 (2) as long as the rest of the card's characteristics were good. And in some cases a grade as high as VG/EX 50 4 could be achieved if it was a small and very minor surface tear. If the paper loss is present along with other detractors then the grade gets lowered accordingly.

It is all detailed if you read through their Grading Scale
http://www.sgccard.com/grading_scale.htm

GregMitch34
06-06-2012, 03:11 PM
Still, I have to ask, do people treat an SGC 30, with minor paper loss, as a true 30--or do they discount because of it?

atx840
06-06-2012, 04:44 PM
Interesting regarding the tear, figured it was an automatic 1. I really don't mind them if the rest of the card is clean.

http://i.imgur.com/U3Vxm.jpg

RUSH2112
06-06-2012, 05:04 PM
It's always fun to dig into my PSA misgrade file.

RUSH2112
06-06-2012, 05:39 PM
Still, I have to ask, do people treat an SGC 30, with minor paper loss, as a true 30--or do they discount because of it?

Everyone is different when it comes to appeal of a card. An SGC30 card with a small amount of paperloss is acceptable to most collectors. The fact it has been graded SGC30 means it has already been discounted. Someone may not buy it because they consider paperloss a major defect. For others, paperloss is no big deal on a SGC30 card.

SGC are always accurate and fair in my opinion. Personally, I collect ungraded cards and grade them to oldschool, Charelton standards.

PSA seems to have made it's own rules when it comes to grading. For example, a card that is miscut or off-center can receive a NM-MT grade as long as "MC" of "OC" is written on the slab. Denoting MC or OC on the slab doesn't make the card better. Makes the slab more appealing but not the card.

chaddurbin
06-06-2012, 05:47 PM
PSA seems to have made it's own rules when it comes to grading. For example, a card that is miscut or off-center can receive a NM-MT grade as long as "MC" of "OC" is written on the slab. Denoting MC or OC on the slab doesn't make the card better. Makes the slab more appealing but not the card.

why shouldn't a mint card with a factory miscut be graded MINTmc? or mk for some kind of writing? easier for me than trying to figure out why that EX-looking card is graded an sgc 20...erased writing or pinhole i'm not seeing maybe? of course half the time PSA couldn't even see the marking...

Howe’s Hunter
06-06-2012, 05:57 PM
http://tinyurl.com/87nxa5p

Someone has a card I want, and I've made an offer. They show this one, listed as a BIN for quite some time, as a card with paper loss worth a lot more than I am offering. I keep pointing out no one is buying, but that point hasn't sunk in yet.

CMIZ5290
06-06-2012, 06:29 PM
Totally agree with chad. Give me a t206 psa 8oc versus a psa 6 with corner wear any day of the week...... unless of course it's trimmed, right dan?

RUSH2112
06-06-2012, 06:34 PM
http://tinyurl.com/87nxa5p

Someone has a card I want, and I've made an offer. They show this one, listed as a BIN for quite some time, as a card with paper loss worth a lot more than I am offering. I keep pointing out no one is buying, but that point hasn't sunk in yet.

You are being more than fair and don't buy it. The seller is asking VG price for a G+ card. VG-EX cards in PSA3 holders do exhist. The card below is in minimum 4 or 4.5 condition but was graded PSA3. I would put this card in an EX set anytime.

chaddurbin
06-06-2012, 07:06 PM
http://tinyurl.com/87nxa5p

Someone has a card I want, and I've made an offer. They show this one, listed as a BIN for quite some time, as a card with paper loss worth a lot more than I am offering. I keep pointing out no one is buying, but that point hasn't sunk in yet.

ed--maybe he knows of ur plight and thinks sooner or later you'll cave.

pcoz
06-06-2012, 09:06 PM
This one has a tiny amount of paper loss, but PSA doesn't hold you accountable as much as SGC. If SGC graded this, it would be a 2.

dog*dirt
06-06-2012, 09:42 PM
I tend to agree that PSA is more lenient when it comes to paper loss than SGC as I have seen more PSA 2 or 2.5 with paper loss but usually with SGC it gets a 20. Also 30 is the most I usually see SGC grade a card even with a very small spot of paper loss. Example below was in a PSA 2.

As a side note I do not mind writing, stamps or paper loss .

tbob
06-08-2012, 02:08 PM
This one has a tiny amount of paper loss, but PSA doesn't hold you accountable as much as SGC. If SGC graded this, it would be a 2.


Pete- agree 100%. I have an almost identical E98 Coombs and it is in an SGC 20 holder.
tbob