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Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 04:17 AM
Thanks to everyone for your work on this!!!! This is a really big step! I will get a link for this later and post it!!!!!

jdmeltz
05-10-2012, 04:37 AM
Well done!

Mr. Zipper
05-10-2012, 05:37 AM
Great news. Kudos to the squeaky wheels who brought this to their attention!

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 07:07 AM
I have been in direct contact with Proxibid and I emailed them Ebay's "Banned COA" list two days ago.

After a lot of prodding, Proxibid did remove the catalog of garbage listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa FL. I also emailed them about a few other sellers whose items should be removed.

jgmp123
05-10-2012, 07:42 AM
Well done Chris!

Deertick
05-10-2012, 07:50 AM
WOW. I think I'll use that technique for the locals.

Be on the lookout for a rebranding COA party. BYOPOS autograph.

RichardSimon
05-10-2012, 08:11 AM
Things are getting done.
And to those who have criticized threads and posts here, you know who you are, well, when you accomplish something let us know, and I don't mean posting on a thread. I mean really doing something.

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 08:14 AM
Things are getting done.
And to those who have criticized threads and posts here, you know who you are, well, when you accomplish something let us know, and I don't mean posting on a thread. I mean really doing something.

Ditto.

7nohitter
05-10-2012, 08:52 AM
Great work...many thanks to those 'squeaky wheels!'

jgmp123
05-10-2012, 11:27 AM
Richard,

The work that you and Chris do does not go unnoticed. You guys are making a large impact in protecting victims from fraud and forgeries.

Many thanks for what you guys are doing.

slidekellyslide
05-10-2012, 12:13 PM
A big blow to Justin Priddy. the Fakers and Forgers will have to find a new venue.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 04:09 PM
Now you guys need to march on to auctionzip.com.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 04:12 PM
I want to thank everyone again. I sell on there often and occasionally I sell an autograph. The prices of my autographs suffer because a Ty Cobb signature that I claim is worth $1000 on a bad day sells for $760 because $200 fakes are everywhere.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 04:17 PM
I did not post a link because this is in the member's page which requires a login.
Sports Cards & Sports Memorabilia
PREFERRED GRADING & AUTOGRAPH AUTHENTICATORS
The following companies are considered to be reputable, trusted sports cards and sport memorabilia grading and autograph/signature authentication services. These companies are recognized throughout the hobby and industry as the market leaders. Proxibid approves other authenticators outside of this list, but these are the preferred authenticators for Sports Cards and Sports Memorabilia.
Sports Card Grading Services:
 Beckett Grading Service (BGS) including Beckett Classic Card Grading (BCCG)
 Professional Sports Authenticators (PSA/DNA)
 Sportscard Guarantee Corporation (SGC)
Autograph/Signature Authentication Services:
 Beckett Grading Service (BGS)
 Global Authentics, LLC
 James Spence Authentication
 Professional Sports Authenticators (PSA/DNA)
Leading Providers of Authentic Pre-Certified Sports Memorabilia
 All Authentic Sports Memorabilia
 Mounted Memories
 Onyx Authenticated
 Panini Authentic
 Steiner Sports
 TriStar Productions, Inc.
 Upper Deck Authenticated (UDA)
BANNED AUTHENTICATORS FROM PROXIBID
Autographed items with a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) or Letter of Authenticity (LOA) from the following companies, organizations, and individuals have been banned from being listed and sold on Proxibid:
 Any company, organization, or individual listed on the FBI’s Operation Bullpen website
 Autograph Certification Experts (ACE)
 Christopher L. Morales
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 Coach's Corner Sports Auctions LLC
 CSC Collectibles
 Donald Frangipani
 Forensic Document Services
 Greg Marino
 Hollywood Dreams
 J. DiMaggio Co. / J. DiMaggio Company
 Jim Bellino
 Legends Sports Memorabilia
 Nathan's Autographs / N.E. Autographs
 Nicholas Burczyk
 Pro Sports / Pro Sports Memorabilia
 Rare and Signed.com
 Robert Prouty
 R.R.'s Sports Cards & Collectibles
 SCAA / Front Page Art / Angelo Marino
 Slamdunk Sportscards & Memorabilia
 Sports Alley Memorabilia
 Sports Management Group
 Stan's Sports / Stans Sports Memorabilia
 TTA Authentic (formerly STAT Authentic)
 Universal Memorabilia
 XMI Authentications
 USA Authentics
 640 Sports/YMC Sports Memorabilia
Any sellers listing items that have been authenticated by the above organizations will have those lots removed from their auction. If any lots do not specify the authenticator and show a picture of the certificate/letter of authenticity, the lot will be removed from the auction. Additionally, Proxibid reserves the right to pull a lot from an auction if they find that the authenticator is not reputable.

Deertick
05-10-2012, 04:25 PM
Now you guys need to march on to auctionzip.com.

James, Auctionzip does not run or provide a platform for auctions, They are just a listing service, a new-school classified if you will. It does make it easier to find the auctions selling this stuff.

I just got back from Butterfield Auction in Zephryhills, FL. I spoke with the management and voiced my concerns about the CSC and YMC COA's on items they had consigned. I left them the eBay banned list, along with a suggestion they check out net54. They acknowledged the issue and said they will explicitly disavow the COA's, and inform bidders that the authenticity of the items are in question and to bid (or not bid) accordingly. I don't believe they could pull the items as there is no proof that the consignor knows they are forgeries.

I also asked them to give consideration to refusing future consignments of this nature. To their credit, they were very open to the info, as most legitimate businesses are. That they even gave me the time of day, speaks to their integrity.

http://www.butterfieldsauctions.com/cgi-bin/mncal.cgi?butterfield

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 04:36 PM
Jim I understand auctionzip.com they have a service called auctionzip live that is similar to proxibid.com. That is what I was referring to. If you can get the bidding platform to stop allowing these items then you do not have to go after every single auction house. I believe that maybe you have not looked at AZ in awhile they surely have a platform and it is about as big as proxibid.com.

Deertick
05-10-2012, 04:51 PM
Sorry, looking at my comment, it sounds a little condescending. I meant it to be informative.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Auctionzip Live sort of like a phone bid? By my thinking, Proxibid is like eBay and should have a responsibilty of content. Auctionzip Live is like the telephone company. Just a conduit. Don't get me wrong, it would be great if they stepped up on this. I just don't think they will see the issue as being in their purview.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 05:18 PM
Jim auctionzip live is live online realtime bidding. You can see and hear the auction in some cases. I know because I have sold on there. It operates just like proxibid.com no real major differences.

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Nice work gentlemen. Very nice work.

RichardSimon
05-10-2012, 10:18 PM
James, Auctionzip does not run or provide a platform for auctions, They are just a listing service, a new-school classified if you will. It does make it easier to find the auctions selling this stuff.

I just got back from Butterfield Auction in Zephryhills, FL. I spoke with the management and voiced my concerns about the CSC and YMC COA's on items they had consigned. I left them the eBay banned list, along with a suggestion they check out net54. They acknowledged the issue and said they will explicitly disavow the COA's, and inform bidders that the authenticity of the items are in question and to bid (or not bid) accordingly. I don't believe they could pull the items as there is no proof that the consignor knows they are forgeries.

I also asked them to give consideration to refusing future consignments of this nature. To their credit, they were very open to the info, as most legitimate businesses are. That they even gave me the time of day, speaks to their integrity.

http://www.butterfieldsauctions.com/cgi-bin/mncal.cgi?butterfield

One thing I would bet on, those buyers are aware of what they are buying, because they are buying it for resale. This stuff is like a bad cold, it just keeps spreading, from one thief to another.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 12:26 AM
Deertick I understand your feelings toward this auction house. The problem is that many of them will seem really genuine and wanting to do the right thing, but they sell the items anyways. As an auctioneer it does not matter whatsoever if the consignor knows they are fake or not. I research them, I find them to be fake or I authenticate them 3rd party and they fail it is my butt if I sell them. My reputation is worth much more than some garbage fakes. I tried to reason with this LLP auctioneer that he could play around and lose his license for this, but he chose not to respond to me.

thetruthisoutthere
05-11-2012, 07:14 AM
One thing I would bet on, those buyers are aware of what they are buying, because they are buying it for resale. This stuff is like a bad cold, it just keeps spreading, from one thief to another.

I agree with Richard on the fact that these buyers know exactly what they are purchasing. They are buying cheap to resell for 5X to 10X their purchase price.

I also gave Proxibid too much credit in the beginning when they removed the catalog of LLP Auctions. Proxibid allowed LLP Auctions to re-list that garbage an they have yet to remove any of the other listings that I suggested they remove.

The only company that was cooperative was Aaron Joseph & Company, who voluntarily removed all of their "CSC Collectibles" auctions and returned them to the consignor (CSC Collectibles).

Deertick
05-11-2012, 08:01 AM
Just submitted a complaint to the IC3.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 08:43 AM
I agree with Richard on the fact that these buyers know exactly what they are purchasing. They are buying cheap to resell for 5X to 10X their purchase price.

I also gave Proxibid too much credit in the beginning when they removed the catalog of LLP Auctions. Proxibid allowed LLP Auctions to re-list that garbage an they have yet to remove any of the other listings that I suggested they remove.

The only company that was cooperative was Aaron Joseph & Company, who voluntarily removed all of their "CSC Collectibles" auctions and returned them to the consignor (CSC Collectibles).
I just got done talking to proxibid.com and they were very helpful. They really have not had time to put the banned list in action yet. This info that I gave is not even out there to the public yet, just to the sellers. That being said I was told they will look into this today and they will likely pull this sale. The operator told me that even she was not happy with these listings. I told her that it does not take a trained eye to tell these are fakes. I spoke to the Proxibid Risk Management team. I really believe that they do not want these items on their site. I also explained that I have tried to reason with this company through emails and phone calls and I have been ignored. I also informed her that the next step that I take is to go to the Florida Auctioneer Licensing Board to try and have his license taken away.

jgmp123
05-11-2012, 08:52 AM
Amazing work James. Thanks for continuing to keep us updated.

thetruthisoutthere
05-11-2012, 08:53 AM
I just got done talking to proxibid.com and they were very helpful. They really have not had time to put the banned list in action yet. This info that I gave is not even out there to the public yet, just to the sellers. That being said I was told they will look into this today and they will likely pull this sale. The operator told me that even she was not happy with these listings. I told her that it does not take a trained eye to tell these are fakes. I spoke to the Proxibid Risk Management team. I really believe that they do not want these items on their site. I also explained that I have tried to reason with this company through emails and phone calls and I have been ignored. I also informed her that the next step that I take is to go to the Florida Auctioneer Licensing Board to try and have his license taken away.

James, your efforts are appreciated.

Unfortunately, I view Proxibid a bit differently than you do, but let's wait and see what actions they take or don't take.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 09:03 AM
Chris I think that the Florida Auctioneer Licensing probably sees fraud as a problem for their licensees. I have my own auction this weekend so it will be next week before I get to talk with them about this.

RichardSimon
05-11-2012, 09:25 AM
The Florida State Business Board (or whatever the name is) should see about fraud in their state. It seems that all the stink in this hobby is emanating from the state of beaches and orange juice.

RichardSimon
05-11-2012, 09:33 AM
Apparently, once again, you cannot bid on LLP Auctions.
Here again is what the listings state:

PASSED
This lot was not sold.

There is no place bid button on the auction pages.

Deertick
05-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Apparently, once again, you cannot bid on LLP Auctions.
Here again is what the listings state:

PASSED
This lot was not sold.

There is no place bid button on the auction pages.

You may be on the old link or a cached copy? I just checked and still going strong.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=52773

I also just finished filling out the DBPR 0070 - Uniform Complaint Form for the State of Florida Dept of Business and Professional Regulation. The only submission is to MAIL it!!!

jgmp123
05-11-2012, 12:03 PM
Just got this message after I bid on one of their crappy auctions to test if they were live or not..
Your bid was retracted on the following lot:

------------------------------------------------------------
LLP Auctions
AUTOGRAPHED SPORTS MEMORABILIA AUCTION!* 5/10/2012

jgmp123
05-12-2012, 09:44 AM
Next up on Proxi-Watch....DK Listings...huge memorabilia auction coming first of June. Check out some of the items in the auction like this ball...

Don't care where it says the COA is from, look how bad this Jordan is:

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3215&aid=51975&lid=13222801&rfpb=0#Top

thetruthisoutthere
05-12-2012, 09:54 AM
Next up on Proxi-Watch....DK Listings...huge memorabilia auction coming first of June. Check out some of the items in the auction like this ball...

Don't care where it says the COA is from, look how bad this Jordan is:

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3215&aid=51975&lid=13222801&rfpb=0#Top

http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/forgeries-offered-by-dk-listing-fairfield-ohio-mickey-mantle-joe

http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/forgeries-offered-by-bid-daddy-auctions-albuquerque-nm-mickey

http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/forgeries-offered-by-dixon-s-auction-inc-powhatan-va-mickey

earlywynnfan
05-12-2012, 10:17 AM
I sent an email to Cal's Store. Any bets on if he replies?

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

jgmp123
05-12-2012, 10:54 AM
Christopher,
Thanks for the article link....great stuff as always.

RichardSimon
05-12-2012, 11:21 AM
I sent an email to Cal's Store. Any bets on if he replies?

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

I might even bet my Greenberg letter :D that your e mail is already deleted.

Deertick
05-12-2012, 11:35 AM
With terms like these, Why would anyone bid anyway?

PLEASE READ: At the request of the auction company, this auction permits bids to be placed by the auctioneer, an employee of the auctioneer, or the seller or an agent on the seller's behalf, even if such bids are placed solely for the purpose of increasing the bid. While Proxibid's Unified User Agreement prohibits this behavior, in accordance with UCC 2-328, this auction is permitted to engage in this activity by providing this clear disclosure to you, the bidder.

PLEASE READ: This auction company has requested and been granted access to see all bids placed including any maximum pre-bids. This auction is permitted to engage in this activity by providing this clear disclosure to you, the bidder.

In other words, we know how much you will spend, and we will make sure we get it.

thecatspajamas
05-12-2012, 01:48 PM
Wow, talk about having a big brass pair. I started to question why Proxibid would allow such a thing even with full disclosure, but I guess it is the next-best-thing to hanging a big "don't trust these guys" sign on their auction without actually banning them altogether.

thetruthisoutthere
05-12-2012, 04:14 PM
Christopher,
Thanks for the article link....great stuff as always.

Thank you, James. We do what we can. As far as I am concerned, they (Proxibid) deserve all of the free advertising we can give them.

Mr. Zipper
05-12-2012, 09:26 PM
With terms like these, Why would anyone bid anyway?



In other words, we know how much you will spend, and we will make sure we get it.

OMG. That's unbelievable. How sleazy.

Wymers Auction
05-12-2012, 09:47 PM
OMG. That's unbelievable. How sleazy.

Unfortunately I can tell you as an auctioneer that most bidders do not read the terms and conditions. In online auctions many of them do not even read the descriptions.