PDA

View Full Version : LLP Auctions of Tampa - 100% forgeries!!


Deertick
05-06-2012, 12:41 PM
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=52487

Most you can't get a good look at, but scroll down to the baseballs. Especially remarkable is the last item. I don't want to ruin the fun!

mr2686
05-06-2012, 01:14 PM
Seriously? Those baseballs are so bad, I could do a better job with my off hand while blindfolded and drunk.

Deertick
05-06-2012, 01:24 PM
You forgot to add: while riding in a jeep without a seatbelt on while off-roading.

Deertick
05-06-2012, 01:39 PM
Actually, they may be considered quite good for someone who has never before attempted (or seen) these particular autographs. Or written on a baseball for that matter.

Wymers Auction
05-06-2012, 03:41 PM
Deertick look at the Johnny Bench ball you may change your mind. Johnny has great handwriting and would never sign that sloppy. I am a Reds fan and was amazed that they even have a horribly fake Pete Rose. Why fake a photo with so little value. I guess this is a beginning forger.
I emailed the auction house and said the following
I was looking at your autograph auction and that is nothing but fake garbage. If you want me to email you pictures of real photographs or call you and explain why let me know. You have been warned that these items are bogus. Not even decent forgeries.

travrosty
05-06-2012, 03:58 PM
these are the shakiest, worst ever, where are the feds?

they specialize in gold and silver, and autographs that look like a 3 year old did them.


roberto clemente signed photo in black sharpie. not gonna happen.

thetruthisoutthere
05-06-2012, 04:31 PM
How about Lou Gehrig signing with a black sharpie.

62837

62839

Bilko G
05-06-2012, 04:34 PM
Bahahahahaha, the Michael Jordan Basketball is hilarious!!!!:p

Bilko G
05-06-2012, 04:37 PM
You have been warned that these items are bogus.


After warning them you should have said that if the auctions are still running in 24 hours you are contacting the FBI's local Tampa office.

thetruthisoutthere
05-06-2012, 04:38 PM
Look at this mess!!!

62840

travrosty
05-06-2012, 04:40 PM
thats derek jeter's cousin derek jitter.

Bilko G
05-06-2012, 05:01 PM
omg what an absolute mess that Jeter is. I really hope these auctions are a big joke somehow.

Deertick
05-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Bahahahahaha, the Michael Jordan Basketball is hilarious!!!!:p

My favorite also:D

Another possible explanation for how slow and shaky these are: Someone was slowly spelling the names as the guy signed them.
"D-E-R-E-K J-E-T-E-R"

drc
05-06-2012, 05:13 PM
A saw a Mickes McUntle

Wymers Auction
05-06-2012, 05:15 PM
Look at this mess!!!

62840
I think that maybe they were eating at the same time. Wow they must sell their practice materials!!!

Deertick
05-06-2012, 05:20 PM
these are the shakiest, worst ever, where are the feds?

I tried before (see other thread, http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150386 ) with no understanding of the problem elicited from any of the authorities I contacted. Investigative consumer reporter for the newspaper still hasn't got back to me. They have still shown MUCH more interest than the others.

BTW, that Auction Kings event sold those bogus items for in excess of $2K. I told them they were fake. They don't care. $800 cut must be worth their intergrity.

RichardSimon
05-06-2012, 05:27 PM
I think these were signed by the interns at CC, they are just practicing for the real thing but so far they are so awful that Lee has said "NO WAY" to these.
I never thought I would say this but these would be rejected by CC.
There is no way any of their authenticators could pass these.
Not even at CC.

Deertick
05-06-2012, 05:29 PM
I think these were signed by the interns at CC, they are just practicing for the real thing but so far they are so awful that Lee has said "NO WAY" to these.
I never thought I would say this but these would be rejected by CC.
There is no way any of their authenticators could pass these.
Not even at CC.

I emailed asking who COA's were on several of the items, no response.

Looks like all of the photos were taken in the bathroom. Classy.

mr2686
05-06-2012, 06:01 PM
I never thought I would say this but these would be rejected by CC.
There is no way any of their authenticators could pass these.
Not even at CC.

Wow, you mean even CC has its standards? Too funny Richard :D

HOFAUTOS
05-06-2012, 06:30 PM
Whoever signed the Gwynn signed his sons autograph, Tony Gwynn Jr. They must have used an UD card where the stickers were placed on the wrong Gwynn, as an exemplar. Absolutely horrible. This is in my neck of the woods. I might have to go check it out.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52487&lid=13328103#topoflot


http://www.sportsautosttm.com/tonygwynnjr.JPG

Wymers Auction
05-06-2012, 06:42 PM
Whoever signed the Gwynn signed his sons autograph, Tony Gwynn Jr. They must have used an UD card where the stickers were placed on the wrong Gwynn, as an exemplar. Absolutely horrible. This is in my neck of the woods. I might have to go check it out.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52487&lid=13328103#topoflot


http://www.sportsautosttm.com/tonygwynnjr.JPG
You should bring a copy of this thread with you. That would be really fun to get their face on video reading this thread.

thetruthisoutthere
05-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Whoever signed the Gwynn signed his sons autograph, Tony Gwynn Jr. They must have used an UD card where the stickers were placed on the wrong Gwynn, as an exemplar. Absolutely horrible. This is in my neck of the woods. I might have to go check it out.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52487&lid=13328103#topoflot


http://www.sportsautosttm.com/tonygwynnjr.JPG

Here it is:

62860

62861

Deertick
05-06-2012, 08:21 PM
For comparison

GrayGhost
05-07-2012, 07:43 AM
It boggles the mind that idiots will bid on the garbage like that, and as has been said by MANY On here, that these guys get away w selling crap like that.

thetruthisoutthere
05-07-2012, 12:51 PM
Johnny Bench autographed baseball listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa FL.

This is as hideous a forgery as you will ever see.

62942

Wymers Auction
05-07-2012, 05:23 PM
Johnny Bench autographed baseball listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa FL.

This is as hideous a forgery as you will ever see.

62942
I agree Chris!!! Check out the Pete Rose it is no where near as bad as Johnny Bench, but still a complete laugh.

thetruthisoutthere
05-07-2012, 07:08 PM
How about Lou Gehrig signing with a black sharpie.

62837

62839

Some moron actually placed a bid for this piece of crap!!!!

Wymers Auction
05-07-2012, 07:16 PM
I called and left a message that I was going to contact the police and FBI if they proceed with this sale.

thetruthisoutthere
05-07-2012, 08:18 PM
I called and left a message that I was going to contact the police and FBI if they proceed with this sale.

I went to the Facebook page of Proxibid where they are promoting a Michael Jordan autographed jersey. Yes, I left a comment about their Jordan autographed jersey.

Wymers Auction
05-07-2012, 08:39 PM
That Jordan looked fake to me would you agree Chris?

thetruthisoutthere
05-07-2012, 08:45 PM
That Jordan looked fake to me would you agree Chris?

It is a forgery. Yes.

Bilko G
05-08-2012, 07:26 AM
I called and left a message that I was going to contact the police and FBI if they proceed with this sale.


NICE!!!:cool:

7nohitter
05-08-2012, 08:27 AM
My 4 year old has a better signature than what's on this site!

Deertick
05-08-2012, 09:28 AM
My 4 year old has a better signature than what's on this site!

I hear they may be looking for more experienced workers! Can she sign righty? The current guy is mouth-handed.

jgmp123
05-08-2012, 09:50 AM
This guy was lucky enough to find Stan and Yogi in the same place with that same bright blue pen...

These guys should be put in jail as soon as possible.

RichardSimon
05-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Considering the twenty five cent bids, this place will be lucky to cover the cost of the frames and baseball holders.

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 11:41 AM
Please note that Proxibid did the right thing and removed all of the auctions listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa Fl.

Deertick
05-08-2012, 11:54 AM
Please note that Proxibid did the right thing and removed all of the auctions listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa Fl.

He never did answer my emails or phone messages.

RichardSimon
05-08-2012, 12:07 PM
He never did answer my emails or phone messages.

Looks like some comments on their Facebook page initially by Chris and then by me actually got action from Proxibid.
Glad to see that Proxibid is a responsible company. Wow,, when have I said something like that on this forum? :D.

barrysloate
05-08-2012, 12:21 PM
It used to be that forgers would spend hours and hours honing their skills, trying to replicate someone's signature with such care that most would not be able to detect it's a forgery.

These clowns are skipping that step altogether. They're merely penning a sloppy signature that's borderline passable, and then letting the bad LOA do the work for them. These forgeries are becoming so commonplace that it is no longer necessary to waste time learning one's craft...if you can call it a craft.

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 12:46 PM
It used to be that forgers would spend hours and hours honing their skills, trying to replicate someone's signature with such care that most would not be able to detect it's a forgery.

These clowns are skipping that step altogether. They're merely penning a sloppy signature that's borderline passable, and then letting the bad LOA do the work for them. These forgeries are becoming so commonplace that it is no longer necessary to waste time learning one's craft...if you can call it a craft.

Barry, the fact that people were actually bidding on that junk says it all about those wannabe collectors.

barrysloate
05-08-2012, 01:10 PM
I know Chris. It's amazing how stupid or trusting people can be. But there are many who do not realize that the LOA's are bad. They assume since it has one they are safe to bid. Still stupid, I know.

mighty bombjack
05-08-2012, 01:23 PM
I know Chris. It's amazing how stupid or trusting people can be. But there are many who do not realize that the LOA's are bad. They assume since it has one they are safe to bid. Still stupid, I know.

This is it. I was at an "antiques mall" (read: indoor flea market) when I spotted some autographs. I asked a lady to open the case for me (general salesperson, not the seller of the items), but while she was doing so I saw that they had ACE certs (and, not surprisingly, looked bad). I told her that she could keep the case closed. She sensed that I didn't trust the stuff, but then she kinda got indignant and told me that the LOAs definitively proved the autos were real, and that "You can look up the numbers on the internet and everything!"

mr2686
05-08-2012, 01:24 PM
Well heck, if that doesn't prove it, what does? :rolleyes:

Wymers Auction
05-08-2012, 05:29 PM
Please note that Proxibid did the right thing and removed all of the auctions listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa Fl.
The sad thing is Chris we were too late in the past. They had another sports auction that completed and brought way too much money for that phoney garbage. My hope is that they go back to selling worthless gemstones.

thecatspajamas
05-08-2012, 05:36 PM
Please note that Proxibid did the right thing and removed all of the auctions listed by LLP Auctions, Tampa Fl.

Huzzah!

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 05:51 PM
The sad thing is Chris we were too late in the past. They had another sports auction that completed and brought way too much money for that phoney garbage. My hope is that they go back to selling worthless gemstones.

That is sad, James.

Do you know if LLP Auctions, Tampa FL, was selling that same garbage before we discovered them?

It is difficult to comprehend that anyone would bid on forgeries that looked as bad as they did.

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 05:56 PM
I have also been in communication with Proxibid about the numerous other forgeries listed on their platform.

I've already done a thread on both LLP Auctions and DK Listing on another site that I write for and I informed Proxibid that I would hold off on doing more until I see if they take any action on the other auctioneers I reported to them.

This is the kind of junk DK Listing, Fairfield OH, has listed on Proxibid.com

63033

tinkereversandme
05-08-2012, 06:12 PM
Even those authenticators we know and love would fail this stuff. This stuff is nasty.

Larry

jgmp123
05-08-2012, 06:55 PM
DK Listings is a huge offender...once a week they are peddling garbage...tons of Morales and Nick Burkskskdkfhfk (however it's spelled)

Wymers Auction
05-08-2012, 07:56 PM
DK Listings is a huge offender...once a week they are peddling garbage...tons of Morales and Nick Burkskskdkfhfk (however it's spelled)

I come from the same part of town as DK Listing. I bought a set of 1948 Swell cards from them and even those were counterfeit. I have never bought anything else from them their autos are always a joke. They were not willing to refund me even after I proved that the Swell cards were counterfeit. A little info for you Chris as far as I know nobody that works for DK has an auctioneers license so they should not even be allowed on Proxibid to begin with.

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 08:24 PM
I come from the same part of town as DK Listing. I bought a set of 1948 Swell cards from them and even those were counterfeit. I have never bought anything else from them their autos are always a joke. They were not willing to refund me even after I proved that the Swell cards were counterfeit. A little info for you Chris as far as I know nobody that works for DK has an auctioneers license so they should not even be allowed on Proxibid to begin with.

James, so you're the one that left them that negative comment on YP about the counterfeit Swell cards.

GrayGhost
05-08-2012, 09:11 PM
All Joking aside. To Chris , Richard, Trav, David and others. These are SO BAD. Sharpie Gehrigs. HIDEOUS forgeries, all in same pen/hand. Cant they really be shut down by the Police? ITS REALLY DISGUISTING:mad:

thetruthisoutthere
05-08-2012, 09:21 PM
All Joking aside. To Chris , Richard, Trav, David and others. These are SO BAD. Sharpie Gehrigs. HIDEOUS forgeries, all in same pen/hand. Cant they really be shut down by the Police? ITS REALLY DISGUISTING:mad:

Scott, we did get Proxibid to remove the entire catalog of auctions listed by LLP Auctions. Also realize, that their address is a box that resides in a UPS store.

GrayGhost
05-08-2012, 09:47 PM
Oh, I must not have seen that. Thanks. and thats good news at least.

Wymers Auction
05-08-2012, 09:48 PM
James, so you're the one that left them that negative comment on YP about the counterfeit Swell cards.

Yes, I also reported them to the Better Business Bureau. I considered filing suit, but I am to busy running my own business for that.

jgmp123
05-08-2012, 10:15 PM
Here's another great one from Proxibid: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=52565
All the balls come with COA's from Morales and Florida's own YMC Sports....
Also appears all the balls were signed with the same pen.

And this reoccurring beauty: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=4548&aid=52565&lid=13345411#topoflot

Deertick
05-08-2012, 10:33 PM
Here's another great one from Proxibid: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=52565
All the balls come with COA's from Morales and Florida's own YMC Sports....
Also appears all the balls were signed with the same pen.

And this reoccurring beauty: https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=4548&aid=52565&lid=13345411#topoflot

Had these same things in Tampa at a local auction. IDENTICAL Marino, Bauer/Skowron, and I believe Mantle/ DiMaggio.

Wymers Auction
05-09-2012, 12:53 AM
Had these same things in Tampa at a local auction. IDENTICAL Marino, Bauer/Skowron, and I believe Mantle/ DiMaggio.

Thing that drives me crazy with them is that they already had a great auction Rolex, coins, etc. They really did not need these!!! This is a much more practiced hand then what we were viewing before.

thetruthisoutthere
05-09-2012, 11:25 AM
We have been exposing the forgeries listed by auctioneers under the Proxibid.com platform.

One of those auctioneers is Aaron Joseph & Company, Tallahassee FL who is selling some Mantle, Williams, DiMaggio, etc. forgeries with a COA from "CSC Collectibles."

Here is their YouTube video for the aforementioned items:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44IwThaoxdU

thetruthisoutthere
05-09-2012, 11:28 AM
A photo of one of their listings.

63087

63088

Deertick
05-09-2012, 12:06 PM
We were able to handle LLP Auctions, these others deserve their own scrutiny. We don't want to muddy the waters for outing these forgeries.

thetruthisoutthere
05-09-2012, 01:09 PM
We were able to handle LLP Auctions, these others deserve their own scrutiny. We don't want to muddy the waters for outing these forgeries.

Jim, if you want to start a new thread on Aaron Joseph & Company, Dixon's Auction Inc., etc., I will certainly follow.

thetruthisoutthere
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Jim, I think you're right. We should end it here. I'll be writing blogs for another site on the other sellers who use the Proxibid platform.

Mr. Zipper
05-09-2012, 10:32 PM
A photo of one of their listings.

63087

63088

Anyone ever call the number on the CSC cert?

drc
05-10-2012, 12:16 AM
Yes. I ordered a large cheese with pepperoni and green peppers.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 12:25 AM
Jim, I think you're right. We should end it here. I'll be writing blogs for another site on the other sellers who use the Proxibid platform.
Will you let us know the location of the blog?

Mr. Zipper
05-10-2012, 06:46 AM
Yes. I ordered a large cheese with pepperoni and green peppers.

Did a fake pizza arrive? :)

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 08:10 AM
Will you let us know the location of the blog?

http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/forgeries-offered-by-dixon-s-auction-inc-powhatan-va-mickey

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 10:53 AM
LLP Auctions, Tampa FL, just re-listed all of that crap under the Proxibid platform.

I had a feeling they were going to do that, that's why I checked the link again.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=52487

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 11:00 AM
LLP Auctions, Tampa FL, just re-listed all of that crap under the Proxibid platform.

I had a feeling they were going to do that, that's why I checked the link again.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=52487

It looks like the LLP Auctions catalog reappeared but no one is able to bid on the auctions. Weird how the catalog reappeared.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 07:16 PM
It looks like the LLP Auctions catalog reappeared but no one is able to bid on the auctions. Weird how the catalog reappeared.
Bidding begins in an hour and 44 minutes and ends Sunday. All they did is take out the COA pictures and they are in compliance. I am calling Proxibid.com about this in the morning.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 07:20 PM
This guy was lucky enough to find Stan and Yogi in the same place with that same bright blue pen...

These guys should be put in jail as soon as possible.
And the same horrible handwriting!!! Imagine the coincidence!

jgmp123
05-10-2012, 07:30 PM
I really can't believe they have the nuggets to re-list all of those items without the COA's... James, I can't wait to hear what Proxibid has to say...

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 07:45 PM
James Graham I am going to try to get them removed from the site all together.

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Bidding begins in an hour and 44 minutes and ends Sunday. All they did is take out the COA pictures and they are in compliance. I am calling Proxibid.com about this in the morning.

James, are you saying that those are valid auctions?

Deertick
05-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Bidding begins in an hour and 44 minutes and ends Sunday. All they did is take out the COA pictures and they are in compliance. I am calling Proxibid.com about this in the morning.

I don't recall that the original photos had COA's showing. Description just said they had COA's. Same as now. All I see is they removed the Gehrig and added some more....

thetruthisoutthere
05-10-2012, 09:15 PM
I certainly hope Proxibid removes those auctions and boots that seller. If not, I'm going to give them the kind of free advertising they won't like. I will give James time to convince them to pull that garbage.

Wymers Auction
05-10-2012, 10:11 PM
James, are you saying that those are valid auctions?

Yes, they are only under the ban if they have a photo of the coa posted.

RichardSimon
05-10-2012, 11:11 PM
They never had a COA picture.
Can you bid with them now?
It appeared you might not be able to bid.
The auction page states:
PASSED
This lot was not sold.

They use past tense,, not sold,, I think the auction is not active.

jgmp123
05-10-2012, 11:31 PM
These lots are very much still active. I just logged in and placed a $1 bid on the hideous Tony Gwynn ball....
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52773&lid=13401532#topoflot

thecatspajamas
05-10-2012, 11:31 PM
Yes, they are only under the ban if they have a photo of the coa posted.

James, from what you posted over in the Proxibid thread, it doesn't matter if there is a photo of the COA or if it is verbally stated:

"Any sellers listing items that have been authenticated by the above organizations will have those lots removed from their auction. If any lots do not specify the authenticator and show a picture of the certificate/letter of authenticity, the lot will be removed from the auction. Additionally, Proxibid reserves the right to pull a lot from an auction if they find that the authenticator is not reputable."

The part about the photo just specifies that the seller cannot get away with showing the bad COA in a photo without mentioning it in the description.

GrayGhost
05-11-2012, 07:51 AM
Im glad they are still up. Im psyched to be able to bid on the Jeter:o

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52773&lid=13401527#topoflot

thetruthisoutthere
05-11-2012, 08:07 AM
The auctions listed under the Proxibid platform by LLP Auctions are live!!!!

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=52773

Deertick
05-11-2012, 09:02 AM
Just submitted a complaint to the IC3

Fuddjcal
05-11-2012, 11:28 AM
The auctions listed under the Proxibid platform by LLP Auctions are live!!!!

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=52773

of course they are...what did you think, they were going to have someone police their site like e-bay.:D They would have to hire a full time authenticator. To pull forgeries from that platform will not happen too quickly, but the work you all have been doing to get them to see the big picture is admirable!!!

Keep up the good fight all!

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 12:30 PM
I just got a text from the auction company LLP that their autos have been authenticated and to stop harassing them. They said that the Gehrig was an error. I asked them who authenticated these items and there was silence.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 12:35 PM
Im glad they are still up. Im psyched to be able to bid on the Jeter:o

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=5440&aid=52773&lid=13401527#topoflot

I think you can bid a penny!!! I was also banned from their auctions SO SAD!!!!

Deertick
05-11-2012, 12:50 PM
They appear to be getting removed as we speak!


GONE!

jgmp123
05-11-2012, 01:00 PM
Just got this email from the bid I placed earlier to test if they were live or not...
Your bid was retracted on the following lot:

------------------------------------------------------------
LLP Auctions
AUTOGRAPHED SPORTS MEMORABILIA AUCTION!* 5/10/2012

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 01:14 PM
You cannot even see their company page anymore. I asked that they be removed from proxibid.com all together.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 01:18 PM
They are gone I am taking a nap!!! Whew!!!!

RichardSimon
05-11-2012, 02:52 PM
Very well done, Jim.
Welcome to the war :).

thetruthisoutthere
05-11-2012, 03:00 PM
Very well done, Jim.
Welcome to the war :).

Ditto!!!

Yes, welcome to the war.

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 04:31 PM
Chris and Richard I have a different respect for you guys today!!! Thanks

Wymers Auction
05-11-2012, 04:41 PM
Thanks Deertick and everyone involved.

thetruthisoutthere
05-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Chris and Richard I have a different respect for you guys today!!! Thanks

Thank you very much, James. I've been doing this for over eight years and Richard's been doing it longer than I have.

Bilko G
05-11-2012, 05:38 PM
They are gone I am taking a nap!!! Whew!!!!

NICE JOB:cool:

HOFAUTOS
05-11-2012, 06:04 PM
Good job gentleman!

Fuddjcal
05-12-2012, 12:33 PM
I have to say a great job....for now. But what have you done for me lately!!!:D

They'll have 3 more Loser, LLP's tomorrow with the same stuff!!!!!!

keep on them like flies on S***:D:D:D

Deertick
05-19-2012, 02:29 PM
Update to this thread.
www.goldandsilverauctionsonline.com , the website for LLP Auctions is now "disabled". Being that former proprieter Nicholas Bergum comes from a long line of auctioneers, I'll be monitoring his future endeavors. A legitimate business just wouldn't close up shop, IMO.

thetruthisoutthere
05-19-2012, 03:23 PM
Update to this thread.
www.goldandsilverauctionsonline.com , the website for LLP Auctions is now "disabled". Being that former proprieter Nicholas Bergum comes from a long line of auctioneers, I'll be monitoring his future endeavors. A legitimate business just wouldn't close up shop, IMO.

The update is appreciated, Jim.

And I agree with your last comment.

RichardSimon
05-19-2012, 04:12 PM
I never saw that on the web "disabled" site.
Guy comes from a long line of auctioneers,, could he be the black sheep?
Just askin'

thetruthisoutthere
05-19-2012, 06:29 PM
I never saw that on the web "disabled" site.
Guy comes from a long line of auctioneers,, could he be the black sheep?
Just askin'

I have never seen that either. Interesting. Nice catch, Jim.