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FireGardy
03-02-2012, 07:59 PM
Has anyone been able to find 3 versions of any player who doesn't have an A/B variation? I have been stuck on 2 different Rod Carews for quite some time and am wondering if anyone else has been able to track all 3 down for anybody.

A third version of the Carew should be missing a trademark symbol by the Twins logo I think. The top version is much harder to find than the bottom.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/Rod%20Carew/79kelloggsbacks.jpg

I was able to find the third variation of Jim Palmer and Gaylord Perry on COMC both of which involve the team logo trademark symbol on the B version of an A/B variation, but I didn't see any other variations for any other players available.
http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom-back/999d2a02-2d10-42f7-95c8-620a7ca77ab0.jpg
http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom-back/0c07002c-cefc-4d38-94cb-982f63691119.jpg

http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom-back/184a31d8-f6db-4a30-a759-c40b577fc33e.jpg
http://images.checkoutmycards.com/zoom-back/fef8658a-b4c6-433e-a946-e2fddb603d5b.jpg
Cliff Bowman
03-03-2012, 11:29 AM
It took me forever to find a 1979 Kellogg's Rick Reuschel with the registered trademark in Tony The Tiger's scarf (or collar, whatever it is), and even though it was still sealed in the original package from inside the cereal box the plastic surface had cracks. To me, 1970 to 1979 Kellogg's cards are the most frustrating thing to collect because they are prone to cracking over time, I have given up trying to replace them. You have the most difficult one, the one with the registered trademark in the scarf. The next time that you see a sealed 1979 Kellogg's Rod Carew it is guaranteed to be one without the registered trademark next to the Twins team emblem, and more than likely the one that you need with the registered trademark below Tony's scarf. The only 1979 Kellogg's that have the registered trademark next to the team are from the plentiful third printing factory sets. It gets confusing with some teams because they didn't have a registered trademark next to the team emblem on any of the printings, Phillies, Red Sox, Brewers, Astros, A's, Blue Jays, and a couple of Dodgers, Monday and Rau, didn't have a registered trademark at all near Tony The Tiger. The Carew that you need will look like the Zahn back, the registered trademark below Tony's scarf and no registered trademark next to the Twins emblem.
FireGardy
03-03-2012, 12:27 PM
I've only seen a couple sealed ones, but they contained the Carew I already have. It would help immensely if all sellers scanned the back of the card, but I can understand why they wouldn't on these cards because they go for so little money. I actually cleaned out most of the Beckett Marketplace blindly about a year ago and got only the common version, so I've got more than 10 of that one. I have a couple on scarf versions; I got lucky that a couple got listed on ebay around the same time. If I could find the third '79 Kellogg's, a '77 Hostess #3, and the million or so Carousel back variations, I think I'd be about done with food issues for Carew.
71buc
03-03-2012, 07:48 PM
I love the Kelloggs cards as well. I don't know if I have shared these as of yet. If I have forgive me. These are the die cut art proofs for a few of the 1980 set. The cards are to give you an idea of the scale. I have never seen any others for sale anywhere. Have you ever encountered similiar pieces?
FireGardy
03-03-2012, 08:24 PM
I believe I saw you unleash those babies on another message board. I've never seen anything else like them, and I bet they would bring a decent pile of change. Thanks for sharing.
71buc
03-03-2012, 09:09 PM
I believe I saw you unleash those babies on another message board. I've never seen anything else like them, and I bet they would bring a decent pile of change. Thanks for sharing.

Sorry for the repeat:o
FireGardy
03-05-2012, 02:43 PM
Sorry for the repeat:o

No worries. They are definitely worth repeating.
FireGardy
03-07-2012, 08:45 AM
Does this mean there is not a third Carew? I have been told by every person I have asked with a factory set that they have the same set of marks. Is there someone with a set on here that can confirm that? The only difference I see is a print dot by the 153 in games played in 1974. I have 2 or 3 with this mark. Thoughts? Thanks.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/79kelloggs.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/Rod%20Carew/79kelloggsbacks.jpg
FireGardy
03-07-2012, 10:08 AM
from ebay:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/SET-60-VINTAGE-1979-KELLOGGS-3-D-SUPERSTARS-BASEBALL-CARDS-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqJ,!gwE8NWumGjnBPH2GCQ7,!~~60_57.JPG

Matches the Carew in the pack. I guess I'm done with this one.
FireGardy
03-07-2012, 11:48 AM
From above:
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=58345&stc=1&d=1330799086
http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=58346&stc=1&d=1330799093

The Zaun is an A/B variation and the Cubs cards seemed to have changed logos between the 2nd and 3rd printings. I looked at Beckett again, and the 13 cards that supposedly have only two variations are from a certain group of teams that never include a symbol by the team logo. Taking the remaining 47 cards and removing the known A/B and logo variations (Beckett only mentions the Phillies not the Cubs) leaves the following 22 numbers (if I did my homework right): 2, 3, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 28, 29, 31, 32, 35, 36, 37, 40, 42, 44, 50, 52, 55, 58, 60.

Because of what I have seen with the Carews, I would assume these 22 numbers do not have a 3rd version (below scarf and missing by logo). Has anyone found 3 versions of any of the listed numbers?
Cliff Bowman
03-07-2012, 06:52 PM
Does this mean there is not a third Carew? I have been told by every person I have asked with a factory set that they have the same set of marks. Is there someone with a set on here that can confirm that? The only difference I see is a print dot by the 153 in games played in 1974. I have 2 or 3 with this mark. Thoughts? Thanks.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/79kelloggs.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/Rod%20Carew/79kelloggsbacks.jpg

I have seen quite a few sealed 1979 Kellogg's cards and I had never seen one with a registered trademark next to the team emblem until your scan of the sealed 1979 Carew. I just took for granted that there would be a second printing card similar to the Zahn that I have, looks like I was wrong. Maybe there are only two different Carews and the third one doesn't exist. As far as that print dot theory, there are eight 1979 Kellogg's Rod Carew cards currently on CheckOutMyCards and only one of them has the print dot.
FireGardy
03-09-2012, 06:18 AM
McCovey in pack with both marks. Matches the one on the set sheet.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj76/lewford20/1979KelloggsMcCoveybk.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/SET-60-VINTAGE-1979-KELLOGGS-3-D-SUPERSTARS-BASEBALL-CARDS-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqJ,!gwE8NWumGjnBPH2GCQ7,!~~60_57.JPG
runbrett
06-14-2013, 10:58 AM
Hi,

The Phillies logo is not the only one that has variations in this set. So far I've seen the Reds, Cubs, Cardinals and Royals logo with easy-to-see variations. Others seem to have slight changes - Twins, Tigers, others?
4reals
06-15-2013, 08:19 PM
So, of the three Dodgers in the set, Lopes, Monday, and Rau can someone please summarize the variations they are aware of besides the .577 and .625 pitching pct. on the Rau or the 107 and 197 runs variations on the Monday? Which have a copyright variation? Thanks.

By the way, I'm still looking for a clean (not cracked) .577 Rau of anyone has one they want to sell or trade for, thanks.
runbrett
06-18-2013, 05:23 PM
For Dodgers I have seen the following. I am still deciding if I should collect the thick, gray cards and the thin, brighter cards separately. Does anyone know the story of how these print runs are so different and which one is the brighter, thinner card stock?

Lopes - Reg. Mark right of scarf and right of team logo.
Rau .577. Reg mark in scarf and not right of team logo.
Rau .625. Reg mark not near Tony and not near team logo.
Monday 107. Reg mark not near Tony and not near team logo.
Monday 107. Reg mark not near Tony and right of team logo.
Monday 197. Reg mark in scarf and not near team logo.
4reals
06-24-2013, 11:43 AM
Thanks for that list.

As far as the different card stock thickness, I would surmise that the thinner stock came as a perforated mail in set and the thicker stock was from the packaged material inserted into cereal boxes. Just a guess, I don't know if this particular year even had the mail in option but if they did then it could be like the early 80's topps team leader sheets, they were made from a thinner stock than the regular issued cards.
steve B
06-24-2013, 02:30 PM
I'll have to dig my mail in set out sometime. I'm not sure if it's 79.

I don't recall it coming on thinner stock, but I think that was the year it came as 4 card panels. Die cut, and they generally fell apart. Mine is still in the shipping box, I just have to find it. I got send away sets a few times.

Steve B
runbrett
06-25-2013, 02:46 PM
I've read that there were two different print runs of the factory set that helped set up these variations. The two or three factory sets that I opened all have the thicker cards on the more yellowed card stock. I've seen unopened packs on the thinner stock.

I will search to see if I have any unopened packs with the thicker, more yellow stock.