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YankeeCollector
02-13-2012, 12:49 PM
Jason Whitlock should be fired immediately for his racial comments regarding NY Knicks PG Jeremy Lin. Basically, he tweeted after the Knicks' win over the Lakers that" Some lucky lady is gonna feel a couple of inches of pain tonight" regarding Asian American Jeremy Lin. This is flat out disgraceful. Imagine if the roles were reversed.

CMIZ5290
02-13-2012, 12:54 PM
Jason whitlock is and always has been a piece of garbage. The only pain any woman would feel is if he was to slip and fall his big fat a** on them

slidekellyslide
02-13-2012, 12:59 PM
The Kansas City area may have the worst collection of sports journalists in the US. Between Whitlock and Bob Fescoe I can't decide who is the bigger idiot.

Ease
02-13-2012, 01:04 PM
As a half asian myself, it really pissed me off, and so did his weak ass apology. He'd be lucky to see his pecker over his fat gut.

Ease
02-13-2012, 01:16 PM
Btw: he won't be fired because fox sports loves the publicity, playing second fiddle to espn all the time means they'll take anything they can get.

CMIZ5290
02-13-2012, 01:34 PM
Can you imagine what his 580 pound a** would say if a reporter of another race made a comment like that pertaining an african american player?

brownscollector78
02-13-2012, 01:41 PM
Can you imagine what his 580 pound a** would say if a reporter of another race made a comment like that pertaining an african american player?

For the purposes of full disclosure, I'm a white guy but this is something I have often noticed and asked myself over the years.

Vol
02-13-2012, 01:44 PM
He likes reaction, either one way or another. Good or bad.

FoxSports knew what they were getting when they paid him 800k per year.

brownscollector78
02-13-2012, 02:14 PM
800k?

Thats a lot of riiibbbbsssssssssss

YankeeCollector
02-13-2012, 02:23 PM
Its unfortunate but if a white guy said this, he would be fired on the spot!! It's such a double standard.
Something wrong with this pic if he's pulling in 800k!

alanu
02-13-2012, 02:27 PM
He's like PETA, any publicity is good publicity.

dstraate
02-13-2012, 03:47 PM
It kind makes Tony Kornheuiser's Sausage in a Skin comment seem pedestrian.

packs
02-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Its unfortunate but if a white guy said this, he would be fired on the spot!! It's such a double standard.
Something wrong with this pic if he's pulling in 800k!


I understand what you're trying to say but I don't see anything unfortunate about it. For nearly the first 50 years of the last century baseball kept black players out of their major leagues and racism ran rampant not only in the sports pages, but also on the fields themselves. These were write sportswriters and white players.

While I agree that if something is wrong for one person to say it should be wrong for another, I do not think anyone is unfortunate for being born a white male in this country and I don't think anything is lost in not being able to make racist comments.

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 06:05 PM
So if this guy he commented about was white would this thread even be here? Society is to over sensitive to stuff. If your not happy then F- the majority and give favor to the minority. I had a conversation with a few of my cousins (yes blood related) severals yrs back about comments made to me and some friends we were with. I asked Lee if the fact that I was related to him if it made it ok to say the word "Nigga" to him and others since he did and has called me that several times. He looked kinda stunned and answered NO!! How stunning it was to me. Its ok for another race to make racial slurs all the time and publicly at that, but if anyone else says it of another race its an issue. So how about "PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH" or Shut the Flip up for craps sake.

CMIZ5290
02-13-2012, 06:17 PM
However we go with this thread, and how we may disagree with other's opinions, jason whitlock is a supersized piece of garbage. I have heard him many times moan and groan about comments made towards african american athletes, mainly tiger woods in his hay day. What a hypocrite. But it's ok for him to make this kind of bullsh** remark? I don't think so. However much it hurts, the one post was right in what was said. If this had been a white sportswriter making these comments towards an african american athlete, his ass would have been grass....

Ladder7
02-13-2012, 07:09 PM
What a doosh. Funny in a private setting perhaps. Dumb, anywhere else.

Incidentally, Jeremy Lin seems like a great asset to the NBA. Knicks fans seem elated too.

Ease
02-13-2012, 07:15 PM
So if this guy he commented about was white would this thread even be here? Society is to over sensitive to stuff. If your not happy then F- the majority and give favor to the minority. I had a conversation with a few of my cousins (yes blood related) severals yrs back about comments made to me and some friends we were with. I asked Lee if the fact that I was related to him if it made it ok to say the word "Nigga" to him and others since he did and has called me that several times. He looked kinda stunned and answered NO!! How stunning it was to me. Its ok for another race to make racial slurs all the time and publicly at that, but if anyone else says it of another race its an issue. So how about "PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH" or Shut the Flip up for craps sake.

Absolutely ridiculous, why would you even want to call him "nigga"? Why would you think being blood related would make it ok? Its not about favoring the minorities brah, its about RESPECT.

YankeeCollector
02-13-2012, 07:22 PM
I understand what you're trying to say but I don't see anything unfortunate about it. For nearly the first 50 years of the last century baseball kept black players out of their major leagues and racism ran rampant not only in the sports pages, but also on the fields themselves. These were write sportswriters and white players.

While I agree that if something is wrong for one person to say it should be wrong for another, I do not think anyone is unfortunate for being born a white male in this country and I don't think anything is lost in not being able to make racist comments.

So , basically reverse discrimination is ok? Some people never learn. This was a messed up comment that would have gotten anyone not African American canned!
Whitlock is a hater, plain and simple! It's a shame that these idiots are given a forum to speak their hatred.

Runscott
02-13-2012, 08:07 PM
So , basically reverse discrimination is ok? Some people never learn. This was a messed up comment that would have gotten anyone not African American canned!
Whitlock is a hater, plain and simple! It's a shame that these idiots are given a forum to speak their hatred.

I agree - it's a shame when idiots are given a forum to speak their hatred.

alanu
02-13-2012, 08:12 PM
However we go with this thread, and how we may disagree with other's opinions, jason whitlock is a supersized piece of garbage. I have heard him many times moan and groan about comments made towards african american athletes, mainly tiger woods in his hay day. What a hypocrite. But it's ok for him to make this kind of bullsh** remark? I don't think so. However much it hurts, the one post was right in what was said. If this had been a white sportswriter making these comments towards an african american athlete, his ass would have been grass....

One thing ironic about this, every seems to forget that Tiger is half asian. I've never once heard Tiger referred to as the Asian golfer Tiger Woods.

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 08:36 PM
Absolutely ridiculous, why would you even want to call him "nigga"? Why would you think being blood related would make it ok? Its not about favoring the minorities brah, its about RESPECT.

Eric obviously you missed the moral of the story I told. I though it was ignorant that I was even called that as well as a few other comments made by his friends we were with. So when asked if it was ok for me to do that the answer was no. So why then is it ok for them to use the word as a greeting but not anyone of another race. Double standards and ignorance!! Its is not ok to use these words and I do not condone the ignorance of these type of people and the lack of a useful vocabulary.

packs
02-13-2012, 08:42 PM
Some people are saying things like "If this guy were white...." My point is, you should never think that because someone else is a racist, you should be able to be a racist too.
This guy should get fired for what he said. And he shouldn't not be fired because he's African American.

To Pup: People should know better. Do you really have to ask WHY it isn't okay for you to use a racial slur? There has been a big movement in this country to take back the N-word and remove its power over a large percentage of our population. It was once only a term full of hate. Now that is not so true. However, what business do you have saying it? I'm failing to see your point. You do not have the experiences with the word that many African Americans do. I don't think you can understand their perspective.

Ease
02-13-2012, 09:04 PM
I understood what you were saying, but I'm going to let Andrew Ti sum it up for me:

"White America (and, OK, fine, Asian America) thirsts for permission to say the n-word: "What about in song lyrics?" "What if my black friend says he doesn't care?" "It's racist that black people can say it but I can't." The word is reclaimed by the people it oppresses, and parts of America can't wait to join in on the fun.

Does the Jeremy Lin phenomenon mean rewriting the rules of the N-Word Pass? Without getting bogged down in nuance, the basic rules of the N-Word Pass are pretty simple: THERE IS NO F***ING N-WORD PASS. If you're not black, definitely don't say that sh**."

His entire article is here. (http://deadspin.com/5884747/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-this-jeremy-lin-nigga)

I'm sorry for jumping you brother, we t205 guys are too few and far between.:o

HRBAKER
02-13-2012, 09:07 PM
White America (and, OK, fine, Asian America) thirsts for permission to say the n-word

Really?

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 09:09 PM
For craps sakes. READ the words in my post. He used the word in reference to me and because I was offended by it I asked the question to try and see if he realized that it was not ok to use it. You know I wonder if people only interpret the negative to have something to bitch about


BTW isn't it a board rule to post your full name if you are going to post about stuff like this? Just wondering.

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 09:13 PM
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packs
02-13-2012, 09:16 PM
So if this guy he commented about was white would this thread even be here? Society is to over sensitive to stuff. If your not happy then F- the majority and give favor to the minority.... I asked Lee if the fact that I was related to him if it made it ok to say the word "Nigga" to him and others since he did and has called me that several times. He looked kinda stunned and answered NO!! How stunning it was to me.....

My comments were in reference to these aspects of your post. I was suprised that you were surprised by his reaction.

Ease
02-13-2012, 09:19 PM
You will never understand. Why were you offended by it?

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 09:50 PM
You will never understand. Why were you offended by it?

Because it is derogatory and ignorant. What its okay to say to me because my skin is white. And what right do YOU have. Just because your half asian makes it okay to throw derogatory slurs. So I am part of another race also but I don't use it as an excuse to be ignorant. Check the facts before you comment. I have more right to toss that word than you. My grandfather was African american and my grandmother was Jewish.

Cat
02-13-2012, 09:53 PM
I just wanted to say that probably everyone that collects baseball cards has small junk.....but it's just a theory.

Ease
02-13-2012, 09:53 PM
I didn't throw derogatory slurs. Show me where I did that. While u are at it, answer any one of the questions I asked you earlier.

HRBAKER
02-13-2012, 10:02 PM
I just wanted to say that probably everyone that collects baseball cards has small junk.....but it's just a theory.

" A man's gotta know his limitations............"

Runscott
02-13-2012, 10:03 PM
I just wanted to say that probably everyone that collects baseball cards has small junk.....but it's just a theory.

My understanding is that the entire mix-up has been resolved. Whitlock showed his winkie to his boss and it turned out to be only 1.8" long. Whitlock said he thought that was normal size and had no idea he had made a racial slur. His contract says that non-racial weiner comments are okay, so everything's good.

Pup6913
02-13-2012, 10:06 PM
I didn't throw derogatory slurs. Show me where I did that. While u are at it, answer any one of the questions I asked you earlier.


pm sent

thekingofclout
02-13-2012, 10:38 PM
I agree - it's a shame when idiots are given a forum to speak their hatred.

Now that is funny, Scott.

kcohen
02-13-2012, 10:45 PM
With the vast expansion of sports coverage through newer platforms such as 24/7 cable and social networking media, it's inevitable that a fair number of morons gain entry into the industry. This guy is just one of them. The days of Red Smith and Shirley Povich are long gone.

D. Bergin
02-14-2012, 08:33 AM
Still wondering, at which exact point did we reach the over-saturation threshold, in which "tweets" became "news".

Seems like half the stories on ESPN are about damn tweets.

Ridiculous if you ask me.

prewarsports
02-14-2012, 10:31 AM
The world would be a better place if we could all just grow a little thicker skin and get over it. Seems like you cant turn on the news anymore without someone making a "slur".

glchen
02-14-2012, 10:57 AM
The world would be a better place if people wouldn't make slurs, and their enablers wouldn't defend them. There are still idiots out there who believe that the Holocaust didn't happen!

CMIZ5290
02-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Well said gary

Peter_Spaeth
02-14-2012, 12:40 PM
I am in the politically incorrect minority here, but it seems to me people are overreacting to a bit of obvious sophomoric humor that, if anything, is poking fun at stereotypes rather than seriously perpetuating them. This isn't at all akin to using the "N" word.

packs
02-14-2012, 03:27 PM
This guy is supposed to be a professional. There is nothing professional about what he said. Jeremy Lin fought for his career daily for years. He didn't persevere just to have some idiot make racially insensitive remarks about something that has nothing to do with basketball. I think most of the outrage doesn't have to do with what he specifically said, the words he used, just the fact that he thought it was okay to say it. Especially in today's world. Obviously he wanted people to read it or he wouldn't have posted it to the Internet. That's where the real disgust lies.

If you went back and read some of the things people used to say about Jackie Robinson it would make your head spin. Why should someone have to be subjected to anything like that again?

irishdenny
02-14-2012, 04:29 PM
This guy is supposed to be a professional. There is nothing professional about what he said. Jeremy Lin fought for his career daily for years. He didn't persevere just to have some idiot make racially insensitive remarks about something that has nothing to do with basketball. I think most of the outrage doesn't have to do with what he specifically said, the words he used, just the fact that he thought it was okay to say it. Especially in today's world. Obviously he wanted people to read it or he wouldn't have posted it to the Internet. That's where the real disgust lies.

If you went back and read some of the things people used to say about Jackie Robinson it would make your head spin. Why should someone have to be subjected to anything like that again?

Absolutely "Right oN!"

Since then, as a society we've done a 180 verbally... it's to our own demise. Lin is an amazing physically talented ball player who has come a long way. He's just now starting to develop.

My Bother, who is a retired NYPD officer, told me yesterday that when the media asked Kobi Bryant "What he thought about Lin?" His reply was, "Who?" Well, I'm sure he knows who Jeremy is NOW!

jonron42
02-14-2012, 05:16 PM
I live in KC Mo and Jason Whitlock was run out of town for runnin his mouth too much.

Now Floyd Mayweather is stickin his foot in his mouth about Lin

glchen
02-14-2012, 06:02 PM
I actually don't think what Mayweather said was that bad since on a similar note, I think that much of the publicity is because Lin is playing in New York. If this were in Cleveland, this news would barely make the radar, IMHO. I think as teams start "game planning" for Lin, his productivity may go down, but I'm hoping for the best.

packs
02-14-2012, 07:02 PM
Mayweather's quote is just as ignorant but not nearly as offensive. Basketball is a sport with predominantly African American players and until now, no Asian American players. Does he really not understand why Lin is a news story? Perhaps he really is that dense. But looking at the comments he's made about Pacman in the past, he's probably also a bigot. It's strange to me that two men whose fathers were likely excluded from so many opportunities just a generation ago would be so ignorant today.

Vol
02-14-2012, 07:30 PM
Mayweather's quote is just as ignorant but not nearly as offensive..

packs, that you mention Mayweather's quotes to Whitlock's tweet should show how low he has stooped here.

Kenny Cole
02-14-2012, 10:19 PM
It doesn't happen often, but I agree with Peter in this instance. I also wonder how many of the purportedly offended can honestly say that they have never uttered or thought something similar, or worse, in their lifetimes. I don't think I could truthfully make that claim, nor do I think most of the posters here could. Stones and glass houses. He said something stupid, he rightfully got called on it, he has now apologized, and its done. Time to move on.

Runscott
02-14-2012, 11:59 PM
It doesn't happen often, but I agree with Peter in this instance. I also wonder how many of the purportedly offended can honestly say that they have never uttered or thought something similar, or worse, in their lifetimes. I don't think I could truthfully make that claim, nor do I think most of the posters here could. Stones and glass houses. He said something stupid, he rightfully got called on it, he has now apologized, and its done. Time to move on.

Kenny, you don't post ethic slurs here, and if you were a public figure you would probably do like dealers and others and barely post anything here that you thought might be even the tiniest bit controversial. If I have a funny thought I might post it here, but if I have a funny ethic slur joke thought...I'll tell it to my girlfriend instead and let her slap me.

kllrbee
02-15-2012, 09:41 AM
Race....ignorance....derogatory....blah, blah, blah.

People need to lighten up!

I swear nothing gets people more fired up than racial talk (maybe religion) and Im totally sick of it.

I got my Bachelors in Biological Anthropology. 99.9% of biological anthropologists (ie...experts on the subject) as well as most if not all scientists who work in the broader field of life sciences agree that the term "race" is not even applicable for the physical differences we see in human beings.
If the religious right would back off and let the educational system teach evolution thoroughly in school, then this "race" crap would not be such an issue. Simply because it would be understood that the color of ones skin is so small a difference in our genetic makeup, that it would be deemed insignificant in "classification" of differences in Homo sapiens.

Im not just saying this to be PC, this is what I truly believe. I am 100% certain of the validity of evolution. It is not a so called "theory" to me, but more of a proof, such as E=mc2 or pythagoras theorem.
No matter what u believe, the fact is we are ALL related.

Also, people throw around the word ignorant all the time. I think they are ignorant of the definition of the word itself. It simply means to not know about the subject at hand. So when someone says something "racist", it does not automatically make them ignorant as well. They might know a great deal about the people or culture they are making the remark about. It just makes them an A**hole.

Ultimately, unless you all drop the term race from your vocabulary and realize that by evolutionary standards, we as Homo sapiens are all the same, you are all ignorant.

Now, lets talk vintage cards!!!!

kcohen
02-15-2012, 11:42 AM
Gee. Must be a huge burden to bear to always be the smartest guy in the room.

freakhappy
02-15-2012, 11:47 AM
Gee. Must be a huge burden to bear to always be the smartest guy in the room.

Must be a huge burden to make ASSumptions about other people...:D

autograf
02-15-2012, 11:53 AM
+1 Kcohen...........

Peter_Spaeth
02-15-2012, 12:08 PM
As was said of Joe Louis, he was a credit to his race -- the human race.

kllrbee
02-15-2012, 12:12 PM
Yeah, maybe I went too far with my post....haha.

I just get tired of all the racial BS so I thought I would rant.

Fwiw, I agree Whitlock is an incredibly huge douche!

Also, I am not ALWAYS the smartest guy in the room. Most of the time, I feel like the dumbest....haha.

barrysloate
02-15-2012, 12:42 PM
A good rule of thumb is not to discuss race, religion, or politics in any kind of public forum, because it will always end in rancor. Take the high road and conduct yourself intelligently at all times, as you can never lose.

drc
02-15-2012, 12:50 PM
But you just did right there, Barry.

I'm a curious person and ask people about their national backgrounds and religions-- in a friendly. non-judgmental way. I don't have to subscribe to something to be interested in learning how it works. Notice, I didn't say politics.

There are good sportswriters who say intelligent things, but there sportwriters and commentators who are specifically picked to stir the pot and get 'hits' for the web site. I mean, come one, do you think Fox Sports hired Deon Sanders as a commentator for his intellectual insight? I promise you, Terrell Owens will be hired as a tv football commentator sooner rather than later.

I'm somewhat familiar with Mr. Whitlock's articles. I think he does provide some interesting and different viewpoints to current stories (in a sea of bandwagon jumpers), but his job clearly is to stir the pot and be controversial and contrarian. I'm sure in his contract it states somewhere "The undersigned agrees to be controversial and contrarian."

vintagetoppsguy
02-15-2012, 12:51 PM
If the religious right would back off and let the educational system teach evolution thoroughly in school, then this "race" crap would not be such an issue.

Let's look at it from another angle. If the lefties would back off and let the religious right teach Christianity in school with the premisis that we ALL descended from Adam and Eve, then race wouldn't be an issue either, right?

Edited to add: I'm not looking for a discussion on religion as this isn't the place for it. I was just giving another point of view to the comment that I quoted.

barrysloate
02-15-2012, 12:55 PM
But you just did right there, Barry.

I thought of that too David.:o

Runscott
02-15-2012, 12:56 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVSK2KhouCb7lHFjcgaT0RbjN9GwPG9 cqxUpslTA1BhUVTgNs1Xg

Leon
02-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Guys- lets don't go down the religion path please. We are not going to come to any conclusions concerning evolution, or creationism, on this board.

A couple very minor points. Who is this Jason guy? :) Did he play for the '27 Yankees or what? (j/k)

Did you know that many, if not most, African Americans take offense at them being described that way? They say they aren't from Africa. I generally use the term light green or dark green, just as we did in the Marine Corps over 30 yrs ago. We are all green in that respect.


Also, whomever mentioned the word "ignorant" and the way it is used 98% of the time is correct. When someone calls me ignorant I will answer them with a yes or no. If yes, then I don't know about the subject. If no, then I explain that I do know about the subject and they would be better served by just calling me "stupid". There is a big difference.

barrysloate
02-15-2012, 01:07 PM
I'm a lefty and we would prefer to be called southpaws.

steve B
02-15-2012, 01:59 PM
A couple small tales to encourage thought and maybe lighten the mood a touch.

I know a teacher who has a pretty diverse class and somewhat large class size. And the various groups are constantly making insensitive comments to each other. Finally fed up they had the class line up by color! It was then pointed out that it had become very difficult to tell who was in what group. The bickering was greatly diminished.

The other was a caller to a show I listen to occasionally. The caller had nearly been kicked out of college his first week for checking "African-American" on one of the forms. This was a problem, as he was white. Of course the full story was that he then explained that he had been born in South Africa and was a naturalized citizen. So the term was technically entirely correct.(Yeah, maybe he made it up. It's still funny.)

Steve B

packs
02-15-2012, 05:20 PM
I use the word ignorant to describe a person's complete lack of self-awareness. I do not believe I am using it incorrectly.

Cat
02-15-2012, 06:32 PM
"D!ck jokes" are some of my favorites, but "slipping on a banana" jokes are good too.

iwantitiwinit
02-15-2012, 07:01 PM
Inexcusable. Total lack of class, judgement and reflects poorly on himself and his family. He should be dismissed immediately. If I did that and my employer found out about it they wouldn't even let me back in the building.

Kenny Cole
02-15-2012, 10:36 PM
Kenny, you don't post ethic slurs here, and if you were a public figure you would probably do like dealers and others and barely post anything here that you thought might be even the tiniest bit controversial. If I have a funny thought I might post it here, but if I have a funny ethic slur joke thought...I'll tell it to my girlfriend instead and let her slap me.

OK, Scott, lets go with that. So is it the message or the messenger? Since your post seems to indicate that you think it may be OK to "tell a funny ethnic slur joke thought" privately to someone like your girlfriend (which sort of validates the point of my post), I am led to conclude that it isn't so much the message as it is the messenger. That's kind of fascinating to me. Is it OK for you to say what Whitlock said privately to your girlfriend but wrong for Whitlock to say it publicly? The word "disingenuous" is coming to mind. I hope I'm wrong. Please explain, because I'm not getting it.

Runscott
02-16-2012, 03:08 AM
Is it OK for you to say what Whitlock said privately to your girlfriend but wrong for Whitlock to say it publicly?

It would be wrong for Whitlock's joke to cross my mind, and it didn't; however, as you said, that sort of thing does cross the mind of many people. Most are smart enough to either keep it to themselves or to at worst, say it in private. Tweeting it when you are a public figure is stupid.

Kenny, thanks for only calling me 'disingenuous'. I sincerely hope I haven't offended you - it was not my intention.

tbob
02-18-2012, 05:56 PM
The fat clown is at it again. Whitlock's story about the Knicks loss last night is headlined "Chink in the Armor" and shows a picture of Lin.
Enough is enough, he needs to be canned, it's obvious his "apology" was not meant and that he doesn't realize what a buffoon he is.

calvindog
02-18-2012, 06:13 PM
Bob, almost invariably the writer of the news story is not responsible for the headline. That being said, I think what Whitlock said is not a big deal -- as long as he said it privately to friends. Publicly? That's bad.

carrigansghost
02-18-2012, 06:30 PM
Here's a story that I passed on to a friend yesterday for his birthday, I was up in a very remote town in northern Maine, at a bar of course, and this man about 85 that had never been out of the state asks my if in my travels if I've ever met any "colored" people. Well, I thought of my friend that was getting his leg done in tats to finish his artwork and replied that he was the only one that I could think of that was truely "colored". I guess I just don't get the races thing, thought we were all members of the human race.

Rawn

Rickyy
02-19-2012, 05:48 AM
I stopped listening to East Coast SPN long ago...since they don't acknowledge existence of anything out here west of the Missisippi (except for the Lakers)...juvenile incidents like this only adds to my disdain for that channel.

Ricky Y

YankeeCollector
02-19-2012, 10:11 AM
I stopped listening to East Coast SPN long ago...since they don't acknowledge existence of anything out here west of the Missisippi (except for the Lakers)...juvenile incidents like this only adds to my disdain for that channel.

Ricky Y

I guess Tim Tebow and Denver play their home games east of the Mississippi!

Wite3
02-19-2012, 10:37 AM
To me this is just like the steroid argument. Steroids are a form of cheating but who is it hurting? My answer is the kids who are growing up watching these men slowly kill themselves with drugs. The kids do not have the maturity or impulse control or reasoning skills to realize this and they try different things that can be VERY harmful to them to try to get an edge.

Same thing with this kind of hate speech. It is nothing more than that. The statistics on the "harmless" jokes are staggering. I urge people to visit websites like "Teaching Tolerance" and the Southern Poverty Law Center if you want to see some of the stats on how harmful this kind of speech is.

I personally had an example of this just this week and have been dying to get here to post it...I have students come into my class (4th grade) and repeat the dumb and disgusting all the time. Friday, a student in my class who idolizes Kobe Bryant said to me he "can't wait for Kobe to play the Knicks and drop the bomb on Lin!" I asked him what he meant...he told me just like the A-bomb on Hiroshima. I told him that Lin was from Taiwan and not Japan and that his comment was out of line. Thousands of people died that day and it is not a joke. He just could not understand, being 10 years old, that what he said was bad. When I asked him where he heard that joke, he said his older brother heard it from his father. I emailed the father and he emailed back saying it was harmless. I then asked him if it would have been harmless had the japanese girl in my class said that "Lin was going to enslave Kobe next time they met on the court." That drove the point home. The family I spoke to was black. They immediately apologized and were horrified when I turned it around. They also assured me that they would be more mindful about what they say in front of the kids.

People need to understand they are not alone in this world and often there are young ears either watching the channels, reading the web, or just looking over your shoulders. These comments are neither harmless nor appropriate at any time.

Joshua

celoknob
02-19-2012, 10:51 AM
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celoknob
02-19-2012, 10:52 AM
To me this is just like the steroid argument. Steroids are a form of cheating but who is it hurting? My answer is the kids who are growing up watching these men slowly kill themselves with drugs. The kids do not have the maturity or impulse control or reasoning skills to realize this and they try different things that can be VERY harmful to them to try to get an edge.

Same thing with this kind of hate speech. It is nothing more than that. The statistics on the "harmless" jokes are staggering. I urge people to visit websites like "Teaching Tolerance" and the Southern Poverty Law Center if you want to see some of the stats on how harmful this kind of speech is.

I personally had an example of this just this week and have been dying to get here to post it...I have students come into my class (4th grade) and repeat the dumb and disgusting all the time. Friday, a student in my class who idolizes Kobe Bryant said to me he "can't wait for Kobe to play the Knicks and drop the bomb on Lin!" I asked him what he meant...he told me just like the A-bomb on Hiroshima. I told him that Lin was from Taiwan and not Japan and that his comment was out of line. Thousands of people died that day and it is not a joke. He just could not understand, being 10 years old, that what he said was bad. When I asked him where he heard that joke, he said his older brother heard it from his father. I emailed the father and he emailed back saying it was harmless. I then asked him if it would have been harmless had the japanese girl in my class said that "Lin was going to enslave Kobe next time they met on the court." That drove the point home. The family I spoke to was black. They immediately apologized and were horrified when I turned it around. They also assured me that they would be more mindful about what they say in front of the kids.

People need to understand they are not alone in this world and often there are young ears either watching the channels, reading the web, or just looking over your shoulders. These comments are neither harmless nor appropriate at any time.

Joshua

I've been mostly ignoring this thread as it does not belong in a baseball card forum but I'm glad I read this post. Nice to see some critical thinking, lack of emotional lashing out and providing specific examples of real lives and children. Thanks.

ChiefBenderForever
02-19-2012, 10:56 AM
As tough as it is to be shocked these days the screen shot tbob put up is unbelievable , is that espn website? Unreal:confused:

Rickyy
02-19-2012, 06:06 PM
I guess Tim Tebow and Denver play their home games east of the Mississippi!
Really? I stand corrected then...if they are no longer talking Brett Farve man crush I may just tune in again sometime! :-)

Peter_Spaeth
02-19-2012, 09:37 PM
Are you sure it was Whitlock that wrote the latest headline? The stories covering it do not say that. Even I object to that one.

HRBAKER
02-19-2012, 10:12 PM
Are you sure it was Whitlock that wrote the latest headline? The stories covering it do not say that. Even I object to that one.

I think that Whitlock is Fox Sports, this was an ESPN web page I thought.

Peter_Spaeth
02-19-2012, 10:14 PM
There is no way Whitlock would have written that under the circumstances. Whoever did should be summarily dismissed, world of difference between some stupid sophomoric humor (Whitlock) and this (racial/ethnic slur).