Please Show your Type 1 Red Cross (T215-1) & Coupons (T213-1)

[DixieBaseball]

T213 & T215's anyone ? I miss the show em threads and realize this is a narrow focused request, but would love to see anyone out there who would want to share their Type 1 Red Cross or Coupon's. (These seem to fall in the shadows of T206 and don't get discussed or shared enough imho) Show em if you got em ! Thanks, J

[Mikehealer]

Jeremy, you've seen it before, but the only Coupon I have left and no Red Cross.

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/johnnyevers/websize/Evers-Coupon.jpg

[usernamealreadytaken]

A few...

[FrankWakefield]

Here's a Red Cross like you wanted, I think....

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/HugginsTportraits.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/HugginsTportraitsbacks.jpg


Reckon there's a type 1 Coupon I could afford that would add to this group?
Huggins reminds me of Feris Bueller, a bit...

[usernamealreadytaken]

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[Leon]

As a type collector I can usually play in the "show me" reindeer games....I don't own the T215-1 Griffith any longer.

http://luckeycards.com/pt2131mattyandcobb.jpg

http://luckeycards.com/pt2151x2.jpg

[atx840]

A real beauty right here..realized its not a Type 1. :(

http://i.imgur.com/rV6kJ.jpg

[nolemmings]

http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverhere/prewar/various/huge/10-12t215ford.jpg

[wonkaticket]

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/huge/ruckers.jpg

[tedzan]

1910 "COUPON"..........T213-2..........T213-3


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/3couponrossmcleanchase.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/3couponrossmcleanchaseb.jpg


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910couponcobb50x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910COUPONredCobb75xb.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910CouponChance.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910CouponChanceBx.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1910couponmattyeverschase.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1910couponmattyeverschase25xb.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910COUPONchasedkcap38x.jpg.[http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/T213x1blueCHASEx25b.jpg




T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/TedbreitensteinTchop50x.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/TedbreitensteinTchop50xb.jpg


T-Rex TED

[pete zouras]

<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/my%20collection/?action=view&amp;current=t215f-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/my%20collection/t215f-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhuggins.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhugginsb.jpg


T-Rex TED

[willworkforT206]

All of these are a little rough, but I'm still happy to own them. "Coupon" is one of my favorite T206 backs. ;)

Steve

[DixieBaseball]

Many beautiful Coupons & RC's ! Thanks for sharing... (Keep em coming) I always find it interesting to see a card in a slab with a 1 on it and it look as great as several that are being shown. Here's one with a 2 grade that has 4 razor sharp corners... Not sure how this is a 2, but I will take the kid in the cubicle's slabbing word on it! ;) Great cards, guys !

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/t215miller50xb.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/t215miller50x.jpg


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

So far here....we have 16 different Major Leaguer's on display....that leaves 32 to go in this set.

And, 5 different Southern Association guys on display......that leaves 15 to go in this set.

Hey Net54er's, let's show some more of these rare T-cards.



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/couponsummers.jpg


T-Rex TED

[calvindog]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909248907/" title="1910 Red Cross Tobacco T215-1 by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3270/2909248907_5589e4df97_o.jpg" width="900" height="736" alt="1910 Red Cross Tobacco T215-1"></a>

[Brian Weisner]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010002-8.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010001-6.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010004-4.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010005-3.jpg


Be well Brian

[buymycards]

Byrne

[Gradedcardman]

John, what am I missing on the 213 Rucker ??

[DixieBaseball]

Here ya go Ted... Add Dutch to your list....

[usernamealreadytaken]

Ok, a couple more...

[DixieBaseball]

Let's round out Ted's numbers to 20 on Major Leaguer's... Sweet hair from Matty...

[ValKehl]

Leon - Thanks again for trading the T215-1 Griffith card to me and for showing it in this thread; my CCD scanner died recently, so I couldn't have taken a decent scan of it.

Here's my T213-1 type-card example:
Val

[buymycards]

Is that McIntyre or Ace Ventura - Pet Detective?

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910couponcobb50x.jpg



So far here....we have 21 different Major Leaguer's on display....that leaves 27 to go in this set.

And, 8 different Southern Association guys on display......that leaves 12 to go in this set.

Hey Net54er's, how about showing us some more of these rare T-cards



T-Rex TED

[DixieBaseball]

Hey Ted - Whatever gave you that impression ? :rolleyes:

I wished a few other board members would step up and show em... I know a few that have a nice stash :D

[Abravefan11]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ILJmUcNgO9I/TmpAgpwcE5I/AAAAAAAAFbA/BtWuPvYI67Q/s575/T213SweeneyType1.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-glDHLHivWRQ/TqyVy8RR2wI/AAAAAAAAFdg/wQnH0sk-iAA/s576/T213BealsBecker.jpg

[White Borders]

T213-1

[Bridwell]

I have a Myers, as well. Also have these two, from the B-L Auction last year.

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bmatty1910coupon.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amatty1910coupon.jpg


Pretty good run of 1910 "COUPON" cards here. And, the following listed "COUPON" guys have yet to be posted.

Major Leaguer's
---------------

Campbell
Chase (dark cap)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dubuc
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Thomas
Wilson


Southern Association
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Carey
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons
Reagan


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

Last Call....

[tedzan]

Mike "Turkey" Donlin.......one of my favorite guys pictured on one of my favorite COUPON cards.

Although his caption states...... ".300 batter 7 years" .....his career BA = .333 which was good enough for Donlin to be in the HOF.
That's if he had taken his Major League BB career more seriously, instead of seeking an acting career in vaudeville and the movies.

One thing is for certain, Donlin was the "toast of the town" in New York City, where all these White-Bordered cards were printed.



http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/CouponDonlin300.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/CouponDonlin300b.jpg



TED Z

[edhans]

I'm a little surprised by the 6:1 ratio (by my rough count) of T213 to T215 so far in this thread. It's far from a scientific survey, of course, but given the recent hype of Coupon 1s, I would have considered their scarcity level more in line with that of the Red Crosses.

[DixieBaseball]

I'm a little surprised by the 6:1 ratio (by my rough count) of T213 to T215 so far in this thread. It's far from a scientific survey, of course, but given the recent hype of Coupon 1s, I would have considered their scarcity level more in line with that of the Red Crosses.

Ed - I am to blame a little here as I don't collect Red Crosses and I have dumped several Type 1 Coupon examples in the thread as this is what I collect and have done so for years. You are right... This thread is very far from scientific regarding ratios, so I would not read anything into what you are seeing....

Red Cross and Coupon Type 1's are both rare cards. Extremely difficult to find...

[DixieBaseball]

For comparison sake, there are about twice as many Pirate backs graded as there are Type 2 Red Cross and there are less Type 1 Red Cross than Type 2's, so that should give you an idea of how rare these rascals are...

Also, a little further data from some research I did last year... I can only document on average 3 graded examples of each player in the Coupon Type 1 set. (Keep in mind this is graded examples from PSA, SGC & BVG) I am sure some raw Type 1's exist, but to put futher perspective on this, imagine if you were wanting a T206 Red Cobb, and there were only 3 or 4 examples ever graded. They would simply rarely come available for sale and prices would be intense. (I think I remember Leon crowing about how cheap he got his Type 1 Coupon Red Cobb last year, and I agree....) Something further to consider... How many Red Cobb Ty Cobb backs are there graded ? Now, take a peek at how many Red Cobb Type 1 Coupon's that are graded. The numbers are very interesting....

[buymycards]

Just received this yesterday. Pretty rough but that's OK.:)

Rick

[npa589]

I can help out with that!




Pretty good run of 1910 "COUPON" cards here. And, the following listed "COUPON" guys have yet to be posted.

Major Leaguer's
---------------

Campbell
Chase (dark cap)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dubuc
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Thomas
Wilson


Southern Association
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Carey
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons
Reagan


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

Nate - Thanks for sharing ! Strike Carey from the list & lets go ahead and take Hunter off as well : (Please Post your T213-1 on this list !)

Pretty good run of 1910 "COUPON" cards here. And, the following listed "COUPON" guys have yet to be posted. (Ted Z)

Major Leaguer's (48)
---------------

Campbell
Chase (dark cap)
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dubuc
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Thomas
Wilson


Southern Association (20)
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons
Reagan

[buymycards]

Another rough one.

[Edwolf1963]

Always thought this one was under-graded (..then again, who doesn't think their cards are?)

[ullmandds]

Here's a t215-I schulte.

[ullmandds]

Here are a few T213-I's.

[Runscott]

I only have the one Red Cross Jennings, and at Coupon Type 1 Bender (which I can't get to upload for some reason).

Not especially attached to either:

[smtjoy]

Here are my two, still need to add some Coupons to the collection-

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/T215-1rcSteinfeldt10.jpghttp://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/T215-2rcMeyers20.jpg

[ullmandds]

nice jennings scott...i love it!!!

[Runscott]

I don't know much about Coupon and Red Cross cards, but I'm thinking the blue-lettering on your right-side card precludes it from being a Type 1.

Same for Ted Z's Mike Donlin card.

Am I wrong about this?

[ullmandds]

Scott...youre absolutely correct. Those type II's have no place in this thread.

[Runscott]

Scott...youre absolutely correct. Those type II's have no place in this thread.

I was seriously only asking.

I have seen the blue-caption cards show up in a lot of 'Type 1' discussions, which had me wondering if I really understood the differences. I only have these two: the single Red Cross and a single Type 1 Coupon, so nothing to compare them to. Also, both of mine are slabbed, so the thinness aspect is lost on me as well (never held type 1's in hand).

...carry on.

edited to add: When I initially picked up the Jennings, Leon had to tell me it was a Type 1, or I would not have known. The other confusing thing I've noticed is that when SGC puts the year range on these (either for Coupon or Red Cross), it doesn't always correspond to what I've seen called 'type 1, 2 or 3', so it must be confusing to them as well.

[refz]

t213-1

[DixieBaseball]

With a couple of recent additons to this thread we have knocked off the T213-1 Chase Dark Cap & Regan SLer. Let's strike Doolan & Dubuc from the list as well. Also, some nice Type 1 Red Cross to boot. Thanks for sharing - keep em coming !

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Paskert
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Thomas
Wilson


Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[tiger8mush]

One more T213 off the Jeremy / Ted Z Coupon list ...

Rob
:)

[DixieBaseball]

Rob - Nice Thomas - Very clean, indeed.

Let's also strike Paskert from the list which I believe is more like very scarce rather than rare among the Coupon gang.

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Knabe
LaPorte
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Wilson


Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[tedzan]

Why do so many of these 1910 COUPON cards have a repeated pattern of paper loss in the upper portion of their backs ?


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponwillett25x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponwillett25xb.jpg



Thanks Chris for this Willett.


TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

Hey Ted,

Nice Willett ! I can't explain it, other than perhaps these cards all resided in the same ole time collector's hands and perhaps he stored them in a certain pattern and upon removal they all suffered the same fate. I do know this, there are some really nice Coupon's that have technical grades of 1 or 1.5. They look like 6's on the front, but have the paper loss. They look amazing and are in such beautiful shape (wrinkle free).

[FrankWakefield]

Alright... I can add to my Huggins post back there. Thank you, Chris. Now I have a Huggins T213 type 1.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/HugginsT206-13-13-15.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/HugginsT206-13-13-15backs.jpg


I know the idea of thinking of the type 1 Coupon cards being like T206's crops up. In a slab they look similar. Hold one in your hand and it is obvious that the type one cards are virtually on paper, not cardstock. The type 1's aren't at all like T206's. At least the slim American Beauty cards look like they were T206 size until a side was trimmed. Their thinness, their fragility, would be a contributing factor to there being few of the type 1 cards...

[Runscott]

Alright... I can add to my Huggins post back there. Thank you, Chris. Now I have a Huggins T213 type 1.

I know the idea of thinking of the type 1 Coupon cards being like T206's crops up. In a slab they look similar. Hold one in your hand and it is obvious that the type one cards are virtually on paper, not cardstock. The type 1's aren't at all like T206's. At least the slim American Beauty cards look like they were T206 size until a side was trimmed. Their thinness, their fragility, would be a contributing factor to there being few of the type 1 cards...

Frank, the slab kills a lot of learning opportunities regarding cards...and hides quite a few surface creases and other flaws.

Leon suggested that I crack out a '14 CJ just so that I would know what they were really like (thinness mainly). I was kind of stunned - I now have a lot more respect for those that survived.

[AndrewJerome]

Laporte

[DixieBaseball]

Frank, the slab kills a lot of learning opportunities regarding cards...and hides quite a few surface creases and other flaws.

Leon suggested that I crack out a '14 CJ just so that I would know what they were really like (thinness mainly). I was kind of stunned - I now have a lot more respect for those that survived.

- Scott - I held my first type 1 several years ago and like you was utterly surprised at just how delicate and ultra thin these cards are... The CJ's as well. It does make you appreciate their survival more and certainly helps one understand why so few survived (Type 1's) compared to Type 2's, etc.

Thanks to Andrew for posting a seldom seen type 1, LaPorte. The list is dwindling down, but we have a little ways to go... Post em if you got em...

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Knabe
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mowrey
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Wilson


Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bay
Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[cfc1909]

62460

62461

[marcdelpercio]

a couple more beauties

[DixieBaseball]

Jim & Marc,
Thanks for sharing your tough types! We are taking this list down, so I hope anyone else might be able to jump in and knock the remaining Type 1's off the list. Nice Bay Jim and a super tough player to find...

Let's also strike these remaining 2 Cincy players that I recently owned...

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Knabe
Lennox
Marshall
McElveen
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Wilson


Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[White Borders]

T213-1 Lennox

[DixieBaseball]

Thanks Craig ! Strike Lennox from the group.

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Knabe
Marshall
McElveen
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Wilson

Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[frohme]

Hi Jeremy,

You can strike Wilson, sort of - not pretty, but all there, mostly. He runs with better company, so to speak.


http://photos.imageevent.com/gspinf/earlypittsburghcards/tobaccoissues/t206byadvertisingback/large/Other_1.jpg

Be well.
--
Mike

[DixieBaseball]

Hi Mike,
Thanks for sharing your Wilson Coupon and lovely RC's as well ! (Wilson has been removed from the list...) Let's also strike off Marshall (I recently owned this card and traded it away...)

Major Leaguer's (48) - Show any of these you own :
---------------

Campbell
Donovan (throwing)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Fletcher
Knabe
McElveen
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr

Southern Association (20) - Show any of these you own :
--------------------

Bernhard
Ellam
Fritz
Greminger
Hickman
Perdue
Persons

[ullmandds]

Does anyone know if there is a t213-I of Donlin with the same pose as type II w/bat(caption or no caption).

Also if this pose is present in T215 I or II?

Any help is appreciated!

[ullmandds]

I think I found the answer! Assuming Ted's checklist of T213-I is accurate...there is no donlin in t213-I or t215-I...but maybe II?

[tedzan]

I think I found the answer! Assuming Ted's checklist of T213-I is accurate...there is no donlin in t213-I or t215-I...but maybe II?

Peter

(1) There is no Donlin (bat) in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set.

(2) There is a Donlin (bat) in the RED CROSS (T215-1) set (as my listing indicates).

Please check-out the latter bit of info, again.


TED Z

[ullmandds]

thanks for clarification, Ted.