Ok I have seen enough JOEY FARINO board member

[danmckee]

I refunded him $650 for the R315 Ruth he bought from me due to supposed employment problems on January 11th. Now he is bidding and winning expensive items on ebay.

Anyone dealing with him, I say beware.

I asked him why he is bidding on these and winning some and his reply was that he was bidding for a friend of his friend gives him the cash.

I am calling BULLSHIT on Joey Farino!!



Looks like another Dan Mckee bad judgment refund:

Here is Mr. Joey Farino 2 days after I refunded him and 5 days after he said he lost his job

His bids on January 13th and 15th won for a total of $1189.00

160683291027
Nov-15-11 Jan-12-12 08:32:27 US $699.00 09 Kobe Bryant National Treasures Auto Jersey SP /25 BGS 9.5 TIMELINE ON CARD Purchased on:
Jan-12-12 08:32:27
See All Buyers
doigi

220929877671
Jan-10-12 Jan-12-12 11:27:49 US $551.11 BV$600 Derrick Rose 2008-09 SPX Upper Deck SPX Away Jersey Auto RC #111 #/99 Purchased on:
Jan-12-12 11:27:49
See All Buyers
fentman

320827515549
Jan-10-12 Jan-13-12 13:19:44 US $600.00 BGS 9.5 Carmelo Anthony 10-11 Certified Green Auto #4/5 Next Precious Metal Gem Purchased on:
Jan-13-12 13:19:44
See All Buyers
faaugustin

120839496544
Jan-06-12 Jan-13-12 17:08:56 US $530.00 2008-09 BOWMAN CHROME RC AUTO #151 DERRICK ROSE BGS 9.5 AU 10 italianz31 (*) chiayi.1

120840488547
Jan-08-12 Jan-15-12 18:30:05 US $659.00 2008 EXQUISITE KOBE BRYANT BGS 9.5 W/10 AUTO #/24 L@@K italianz31 (*) bryan-bandb

[kmac32]

Find it interesting that Joeyf keeps asking the board for prices on graded cards from vcp. Buck it up and buy a subscription if it's so important to know a price. It's just plain rude in my opinion.

[t206hound]

Find it interesting that Joeyf keeps asking the board for prices on graded cards from vcp. Buck it up and buy a subscriptiong if it's so important to know a price. It's just plain rude in my opinion.

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

[sportscardpete]

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

No no no.... That would make too much sense :)

[Sean1125]

This guy is banned on the PSA forums for a reason.

[danmckee]

Wait a minute, I am banned from the PSA boards as well!

[danmckee]

oh that's right, cause of the lawsuit. Since I won, they should have reinstated me! :)

[autograf]

You should have made that part of the judgment!

[k-dog]

He could answer his own question in two minutes by paying $3.99...

He did that...and now he is trying to sell it for $1.99! :D

[Jaybird]

bummer, Dan. Sorry to hear about that. It's a bit of a slap in the face when you're trying to take someone at their word.

[HRBAKER]

Dan,
The problem is you don't sell shiny basketball cards.
Yours was just an old Ruth card.

Jeff

[Fred]

Wait a minute, I am banned from the PSA boards as well!

Next time don't be so mean to Joe. I wonder if Adam's been banned with you? :p

If getting banned for what happened aint a badge of honor in the collecting world then nothing is!

Sorry to hear about this - some people will have a reason/excuse for lots of things. Like Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say -

"It just goes to show ya, it's always something"

[hangman62]

O)h, yea, Im callin BS on that one !

[Taxman]

This poor fellow has some really bad luck...told me his grandmother died and girlfriend was pregnant...Now he's lost his job. :confused:

[novakjr]

Is this the same guy who was inquiring about a '54 Aaron in Pro-6 holder? And apparently wasn't unemployed enough to keep him from inquiring about how low the seller was willing to go on price.

[asphaltman]

It does sound like you got suckered Dan. For what reason though, i'm not sure.

[Big Six]

Over 1,100 views in a bit more than five hours...impressive.

[Taxman]

999 by Joey Farino 100 by Sam1952 and no response from the culprits.

[DJR]

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[Jay Wolt]

I thought deadbeat buyers on eBay were given 3 strikes before they were booted.
Isn't that the case anymore?

[danmckee]

:)

[Taxman]

Dan, Be strong.....Ive been receiving the same emails ever since I outed Joey over on the SGC and PSA boards. This Hobby doesnt need the likes of him and his alts.

[novakjr]

Honest question here...Does he seem to be a guy that's just in over his head in the hobby? Or is he just scatter-brained and indecisive?

[wonkaticket]

Wow not cool! Dan sorry that will teach you to be nice.

Cheers,

John

[YankeeCollector]

oh that's right, cause of the lawsuit. Since I won, they should have reinstated me! :)

What law suit?

[wonkaticket]

What law suit?

Cliff notes back in the day Dan sent a T206 Magie to be re-graded. Dan called PSA for weeks looking for an update they sort of blew him off, then they sort of lost his card. Dan then proceeded to take PSA to court for the loss rightfully so. Long story short Dan and PSA are not sharing Xmas cards. :D

Sad thing was I was the guy who was buying the card from Dan, had the card not got lost I would have had a nice VG-VGEX card for way less than what my one in REA cost me.

John

[YankeeCollector]

I feel bad for Joey on many levels but when it starts affecting others, it bothers me and wish he would go away quietly.

I added Joey's eBay ID italianz31 to my blocked bidder list months ago and would suggest everyone to follow my lead.

I will post below a sampling of items Joey recently 'purchased' on eBay, then reneged, and were subsequently relisted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160708333780
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160712527866

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380367680428
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380401328921

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160683291027
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400269710026

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280775667600
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280803939033

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320827515549
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320829876663

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220929877671
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320829862663

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200687850986
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200690324338

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300641950721
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300645768685

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300639393577
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300641390086

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390377940573
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390382204907

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170658110000
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170757234065

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190621902382
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190624853490

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140545732752
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380399914035

Maybe I'm just naive but how do you know he bid on this stuff when Ids are blocked? Why do buyers have "private feedback"?

[Sean1125]

Buyers who ONLY make purchases can set their feedback to private so that it cannot be viewed.

[celoknob]

"I thought deadbeat buyers on eBay were given 3 strikes before they were booted.
Isn't that the case anymore? "

It sure doesn't seem that way. What's more, I've seen people with less than 50 total feedback that have 20 retracted bids in one year.

Unlike some others, I did not really have a problem when ebay got rid of leaving buyer feedback. But that action should have backed that up with very strong and enforceable sanctions against non-paying bidders and chronic "bid retracters". It seems to me they have done the opposite and these kind of guys never go away. Often they end up screwing up auctions, whether you are involved buying or selling.

[Leon]

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

[Taxman]

Now he is posting again on the SGC Board.

[ullmandds]

If ebay hadn't purchased paypal a few years ago...they'd be in trouble with all of the lame-ass changes they've made in the last few years...it really is hurting their auction business...and it sucks to be a seller sometimes!

[vintagetoppsguy]

It is too difficult to identify someone virtually, many times. I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation. I have suspended both of them from this board pending both of them sending me proof that they are who they are. I have asked for fronts and backs of their licenses OR some other hard copy proof. Once both satisfy me (I am a pushover) that they are in fact different people, then after a few more questions to Joey about this buying habits issue, all will be good and they can come back. As I told someone yesterday, I am rather protective of this board. best regards

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jasonchicas&ftab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

[sportscardpete]

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jasonchicas&ftab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

They could be friends though.

[Taxman]

They could be friends though.

OR Family members, members of the same tribe, members of the same gang, or just people out to scam someone....While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.

[Leon]

I don’t think that JoeyF and Sam1952 are one in the same. Sam1952 has only posted in one thread about a 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams card that he bought. Sam1952’s eBay username is jasonchicas and he is registered in California. If you do search and look at his feedback, you can see where he bought the Williams from Probstein in late October.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jasonchicas&ftab=AllFeedback

JoeyF however is from Washington. I realize that your location can be manipulated, but I don't think either is smart enough to figure that out.

As I told both of them, as soon as they prove who they really are, they will be back on the board. They might not be different people. This is only a permanent suspension if they choose it to be. I think that is pretty fair, no? If someone asked me to prove who I am because they had concerns I was someone else, I would prove it in 2 minutes, and move on. It's just that simple.

[vintagetoppsguy]

They could be friends though.
So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

While they were members of the PSA board they frequently posted in the same thread about cards they had bought.
So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

[Leon]

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.


So what? What's wrong with frequently posting in the same thread about cards we buy? We do it all the time in the monthly pick-up threads. Does that mean we are all alts? What proof do you have other than they post in the same thread?

Sorry, Leon, but I don’t understand how your idea of scanning the drivers licenses will prove anything. Let’s just say for a minute that you are right and they are one in the same. Let’s also say that Joey produces the proof that you are asking for, but Sam1952 can’t. Are you going to let Joey back on the board and not Sam1952? If they really are one in the same and you let the one who complied back on the board and not the other, then what did you really resolve?

In other words, you banned them because you thought they were one in the same. If they really are one in the same and you let one on and not the other, what have you accomplished? The only way your idea would work is if they both complied or if they both ignored you. Then you could either reinstate both or leave both banned. I just fail to see how your idea works.

You guys are being ridiculous! Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to excuse Joey's behavior and the fact that he stiffed Dan (and others). IMO, he should be banned for that alone. However, to accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

David,
Thanks for your opinion. If you will go back and see what I said, I said that Joey will still have some questions to answer. I also said that licenses were one way to prove identity but I am open to others too. Is it that difficult to understand? To me, this proving identity thing is so easy it's a no-brainer. And it keeps the board safer by being diligent. Just my opinion though. Also, you obviously didn't get the gist of what I said. I said both need to prove it. If one does and the other doesn't, then I will go from there. best regards

[sportscardpete]

So what if they are? You can't be friends with anybody on the message boards? They're not accused of being friends. They're accused of being the same person, which I really don't believe they are.

Fair point.

It's nothing worth arguing over anyway. If he complies with Leon's request than it's water under the bridge... The main issue is the Dan incident, which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[Taxman]

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

[Leon]

David,

Very well said....I dont know with a 100% certainty that Joeyf/jboog/mantlefan81/blackitalian/italianz31 is Sam1952 but I do know keeping both off would be the easiest answer. Easy is not always the best but sometimes its the only answer.

While I appreciate the "easiest" answer I absolutely will NOT take that route. I will be fair to both of those folks. I can see Sam coming back upon proof but Joey still having quite a bit of 'splaining to do.

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

[dstraate]

Anybody with that many aliases is not somebody I want to do business with. Leon, if you get requests to use the login name realdstraate, dstraate81, sandbergfan81, or dboog, they are not me, they are my err. business partners.:D

[vintagetoppsguy]

David- help me understand what your issue is with having someone prove who they are? Is it really that big of a deal? As I said, I put myself in their shoes, I would just do it (and have) and move on. best regards

Glad you asked. I have absolutely no issue with having someone prove who they say they are...when there is probable cause to think otherwise. However, you have no cause. You said, "I have information leading me to believe we have a rat in the house with the whole SAM1952/JoeyF situation." No, you don't any information other than some other board member's suspicion. If I am wrong, lay out your information. I still stand behind my earlier statement: To accuse two people of being one in the same w/o any proof is pretty irresponsible.

We just see this differently so let's just agree to disagree. As Pete said, let's get back to the main issue which seems to have slipped through the cracks...

[Fred]

I'm sure Leon's pretty savvy about these things but in today's world you can easily have multiple IP addresses and area codes for phone numbers.

Because of my work environment (I work out of one location) I have three area codes and can shift my computer around to have three different IP addresses (not all at the same time, but I could if I used multiple computers). I can make a quick IP address swap with a 10 second hardware change or a quick software change.

Just because someone calls you from one area code and another calls from a different area code doesn't mean they're not the same person. I'd rather have them both conferenced in but even then it only takes a person to ask a friend to pretend to be someone else...

don't you just love technology and people that aren't very truthful... $hit, here I go.... I love our country but I hate the fact that criminals can get away with all types of crap because we belong to a "sensitive" society that has to give everyone the benefit of the phucing doubt and even if someone proves they're a phucing loser we let them "rehabilitate" themselves so that they can return to society and phuc someone else... Sometimes I think some of those Islamic laws aren't so bad.... you steal, you get your hand cut off... do you think that type of deterant works? Ask a Muslim that knows someone that had their hand hacked off.... no, I'm not advocating that we make drastic changes to our laws but punishments with a bit of a bite might be cool.... please, don't get me started on capital punishment...

oops... did I really type all of that... sorry.... No Leon, I don't think you need to hunt down Joey and shoot him... although I'll venture to guess that some people may disagree with that....:rolleyes:

[Leon]

Glad you asked. I have absolutely no issue with having someone prove who they say they are..

You would have been better off just shutting up after you said the above statement. Writing styles, other peoples thoughts, both SAM and Joey commenting on similar things...SAM not returning my emails in a timely manner etc etc....all give me enough cause to ask a harmless request. As for you David, as my father used to say "Son, you would argue with a billboard and give it a 30 minute headstart". You run your board your way I will do my best with this one. I will usually error on the side of caution, which is what I am doing with SAM....Again, I am sure you see it differently. My mind isn't changing so I suggest we move on from this. thanks again....

[danmckee]

Leon, you forgot to mention that Sam and Joey were also reading the board coincidently at the same time.

[scmavl]

Whether it's "fair" or not, I would just rather not have someone on this board who we have reason to suspect would screw you in a deal.

That being said, I appreciate the fairness Leon desires and how he isn't all about censoring and banning people for every little thing. :)

[Runscott]

That being said, I appreciate the fairness Leon desires and how he isn't all about censoring and banning people for every little thing. :)

Leon has always been able to whip me into shape effectively, and that's quite a task.

Scott <=== only half-neutered

[YankeeCollector]

Buyers who ONLY make purchases can set their feedback to private so that it cannot be viewed.

Why dont they want their feedback viewed if they cannot receive negative feedback anymore?

[mdschulze]

Leon runs this board and he can manage it how he sees fit and solely on his opinion and discretion alone. Anyone who disagrees with his management style can always take a walk or just close their eyes!

[Fred]

Perhaps we all need to refresh ourselves with the fact that the part of the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket was based on our fearless moderator/leader (Leon):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peRA28m9uzY&feature=related


I just love that piece. :p Ok, Leon's not quite that bad...

[CW]

I don't have the time to go back and find the specific threads, but joeyf/blackitalian and sam1952 were also suspected of being the same person on the CU forums. Similar posting styles, lack of capitalization, and same types of questions about cards. This isn't the first forum in which joeyf and sam1952 were accused of being one in the same.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Same person or not, there's obviously a problem here. Reasonable suspicion and probable cause should be saved for freedom removal, not wasted on civil internet forum identity investigations. Leon, thanks for using good faith to remedy this and for your continued protection of this board. After Joey's and/or Sam's removal, I wish them the best and recommend they substitute this hobby for golf or marbles.

[Bilko G]

That being said, I appreciate the fairness Leon desires and how he isn't all about censoring and banning people for every little thing. :)


I TOTALLY agree this!!! I have been on a ton of different message boards in my time on a variety of different topics and i have to say that Leon's style of moderating is one of the best (if not the best) ive seen. Far too many moderators are too quick to ban someone, lock up threads, censor threads, edit threads etc. and i believe all the things i mentioned are not done by Leon unless absolutely neccessary!

[Leon]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I try my best. That being said, the push back I am getting from Sam, on proving who he is, is very, very disconcerting. I have exchanged several emails today with him and he really doesn't want to take 2 minutes to prove who he is. This is NOT the way a person who is not guilty usually acts, in my experiences. IT's kind of like saying someone did something wrong and their defense is "you can't prove it". When someone says that they are almost always guilty. I am not saying Sam isn't Sam....but he is acting either very immature or guilty. One or the other. I even told him I would do the same for him and prove who I am. We shall see......

And too, nothing against David, above, for expressing his disapproval of the way this is being handled. I have no problem with folks disagreeing with me. It's America.

[vintagetoppsguy]

And too, nothing against David, above, for expressing his disapproval of the way this is being handled. I have no problem with folks disagreeing with me. It's America.

Thanks, Leon! Even though we may not agree on the issue, I concur with the statements made about you and the great job you do of moderating the board. I know it requires a lot of you, and can probably be very frustrating sometimes. Thank you for these boards and keep up the good work!

[alanu]

Why dont they want their feedback viewed if they cannot receive negative feedback anymore?

They probably don't want people to see what they are purchasing and for how much.

[gnaz01]

leon runs this board and he can manage it how he sees fit and solely on his opinion and discretion alone. Anyone who disagrees with his management style can always take a walk or just close their eyes!

+1000 :d

[batsballsbases]

Why dont they want their feedback viewed if they cannot receive negative feedback anymore?

Jim,
Yes you cant get negative feedback but also even thou you cant give it a seller can still type a message I.E. Bad buyer took 2 months to pay! Many emails and excuses finally paid after filed a grievence with ebay. That sort of thing. People will still see that and decide for themselves.

[batsballsbases]

Leon runs this board and he can manage it how he sees fit and solely on his opinion and discretion alone. Anyone who disagrees with his management style can always take a walk or just close their eyes!

Mike,
Didnt you know Leon has been on Double Secret Probation the last 6 months.:eek::eek: I have it on good athority that the other moderators are just waiting in the wings to take this baby (net54) public and make millions.;);) Dont worry Dan I wont tell anybody!:D:D;);)

[sycks22]

I also like how most people on here have eachothers backs. If one person gets screwed then it's out like wildfire. Now if only people would start collecting T206 cards then this site would be better.:eek:

[Big Six]

I had a somewhat positive experience with everyone's favorite Joey. In early December, he posted in the B/S/T that he had a 1956 Topps Ted Williams PSA 6. I'm working on the set and most Ted cards I had seen were selling for more than what he was listing it for and the centering was really nice (unusual for this card in my experience).

The price, if I remember correctly was in the low $200's. I went out to eBay to do a "reality check" on the card and the price he was asking and, amazingly, the card was listed there, too, for $197 shipped. After a couple e-mail exchanges, I ended up purchasing the card via eBay since I felt better protected (and it was a few bucks cheaper, too!).

The card arrived in a few days and all is well...I don't understand his buying/selling behavior but I can say that he did deliver the card as advertised. Just wish he hadn't try to pass a premium cost to the Net54 community versus what he got on eBay...

Carry on...Matt

[Leon]

I had a somewhat positive experience with everyone's favorite Joey. In early December, he posted in the B/S/T that he had a 1956 Topps Ted Williams PSA 6. I'm working on the set and most Ted cards I had seen were selling for more than what he was listing it for and the centering was really nice (unusual for this card in my experience).

The price, if I remember correctly was in the low $200's. I went out to eBay to do a "reality check" on the card and the price he was asking and, amazingly, the card was listed there, too, for $197 shipped. After a couple e-mail exchanges, I ended up purchasing the card via eBay since I felt better protected (and it was a few bucks cheaper, too!).

The card arrived in a few days and all is well...I don't understand his buying/selling behavior but I can say that he did deliver the card as advertised. Just wish he hadn't try to pass a premium cost to the Net54 community versus what he got on eBay...

Carry on...Matt

I am sure there have been a few positive transactions Joey/Sam etc.. have done. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in a while!! His track record still isn't looking too bright right now. Ask Dan M. what he thinks??

[yankeeno7]

I also had a positive transaction buying from him. BUT....what ever scam he is pulling on who he buys from, its necessary for him to complete sales to keep the gig going.

I had my transaction with him just before the big explosion with him on CU, thank God. I still say that its only a matter of time and there will be someone that will get screwed in a big way. I just know that I will never do another transaction with him because Im seeing the personality come through in his posts as well as learning of his habits.

[chaddurbin]

who wouldn't want to buy from a seller that buys high and sell low? beats the guy that keeps recycling auction-won stuff a week later at 20% premium.

as a buyer i've blocked him so i don't anticipate a problem there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Joey admitted that he's funding his purchases with eBay's "Bill Me Later" option. That gives the buyer 6 months with no payments. I have 3 theories:

Theory 1: He is using a false identity to make these purchases and never intends to pay for them. It doesn't matter if he sells the cards for a loss because everything is pure profit.

Theory 2: He's using his own identity/credit to make these purchases and still doesn't intend to pay for them, screwing eBay and ruining his credit.

Theory 3: He really is out of work and uses the "Bill Me Later" option as a way to buy high dollar cards, flip them quickly for a small loss and uses the funds for his living expenses. He doesn't have to worry about making any payment for 6 months, thus buying him more time.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

[Big Six]

What a recipe for disaster...

[Leon]

Here is my last correspondence with the infamous Sam (I am)....ya'll can make your own minds up. Mine is made up. (he didn't use *s) :)


On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Leon Luckey <leonl@flash.net> wrote:
Because of things I have read and seen I want you to prove who you are. It’s not personal. My bigger question now is why the pushback? I will prove who I am to you…Now you give me even more reason to suspect something is awry. It will take you 2-3 minutes to find something to prove who you are, or days to argue……or just don’t worry about the forum and go on to other places ……again, I assure you this isn’t personal. You will either prove who you are or you won’t be back on Net54baseball. Have a good evening.
LL


Thu 1/19/2012 2:57 PM
starcard1234@gmail.com "you know what leon f*** you and i saw you once on you tube you sound like a faggot that got beat up in hischool have a nice day and go f*** yourself"



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[freakhappy]

Sounds like you two go way back ;)

So does this mean that Sam/Joey won't be able to claim his Net54 t-shirt that has been on hold?

[Leon]

Sounds like you two go way back ;)

So does this mean that Sam/Joey won't be able to claim his Net54 t-shirt that has been on hold?

oh no, fair is fair....he can only claim in person (or is that "persons"?) though :eek:

[barrysloate]

Seems like an awfully nice fellow to me.

[AndyG09]

I don't think he (they) spent a lot of time studying grammar in hischool. :D

Best,

Andy

[Ease]

Seems like an awfully nice fellow to me.

+1, very cordial too, he wants Leon to "have a nice day."

[tiger8mush]

starcard1234@gmail.com "you know what leon f*** you and i saw you once on you tube you sound like a faggot that got beat up in hischool have a nice day and go f*** yourself"


He obviously didn't graduate from Barry's School of Grammar and Punctuation!

[4815162342]

Wow, you ask for simple proof and he goes nuts. I'm sorry you had to go through that Leon. It sounds like the guy's got himself a "Mini-Madoff" sports card scheme going.

[dog*dirt]

What is this youtube video he speaks of Leon? Here is my last correspondence with the infamous Sam (I am)....ya'll can make your own minds up. Mine is made up. (he didn't use *s) :)


On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Leon Luckey <leonl@flash.net> wrote:
Because of things I have read and seen I want you to prove who you are. It’s not personal. My bigger question now is why the pushback? I will prove who I am to you…Now you give me even more reason to suspect something is awry. It will take you 2-3 minutes to find something to prove who you are, or days to argue……or just don’t worry about the forum and go on to other places ……again, I assure you this isn’t personal. You will either prove who you are or you won’t be back on Net54baseball. Have a good evening.
LL


Thu 1/19/2012 2:57 PM
starcard1234@gmail.com "you know what leon f*** you and i saw you once on you tube you sound like a faggot that got beat up in hischool have a nice day and go f*** yourself"



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[Leon]

What is this youtube video he speaks of Leon?

I have never been on Youtube so who knows? Maybe he thinks I have dual personalities too? Btw, since that first run-on sentence I posted of his, his next 2 emails were 2x-3x as long and had the same exact type language but had no punctuation. He really needs to watch those run-ons.......

[ibuysportsephemera]

I have never been on Youtube so who knows? Maybe he thinks I have dual personalities too? Btw, since that first run-on sentence I posted of his, his next 2 emails were 2x-3x as long and had the same exact type language but had no punctuation. He really needs to watch those run-ons.......

Maybe he is confusing you with the Brucii video from Youtube?

Jeff

[barrysloate]

Leon- you have been on youtube, as there are videos from the National. But you look totally heterosexual to me.;)

[Big Six]

If the Bruces were Brucii, would the Joeys be Joeii??? :confused:

And can we really trust Leon's estimates on the number of registered users on Net54? Seems it could be dramatically under-estimated...

[kmac32]

Wow, what an idiot. Maybe he should turn on spell check for his computer?

[Tabe]

I also had a positive transaction buying from him. BUT....what ever scam he is pulling on who he buys from, its necessary for him to complete sales to keep the gig going.
The accusation on the PSA boards is that he's blackmailing sellers into giving him a discount after the sale is completed by complaining about the cards and threatening negative feedback. So... say he buys a card for $900, gets a $200 refund for whatever, sells for $850, boom quick $150 profit.

Tabe

[wonkaticket]

Leon- you have been on youtube, as there are videos from the National. But you look totally heterosexual to me.;)

Leon I'm no expert but I think Barry just hit on you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecSupsf4hE

LOL on the Bob Lemke comment on the Youtube page...somebody must be mad at Bob or he also is on the prowl....grrrr...

Cheers,

John

[bh3443]

Leon I'm no expert but I think Barry just hit on you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecSupsf4hE

LOL on the Bob Lemke comment on the Youtube page...somebody must be mad at Bob or he also is on the prowl....grrrr...

Cheers,

John

Hi John!
Thanks for the youtube link. Nice to see our pal Leon on it.
Geeze...... poor Bob Lemke! I have seen those really bizarre sexual comments all over youtube about Bob & his family. After reading a particularly nast one, I asked "neerat" to remove the coment, but they are still up.

Back to the Leon video, who else was in it?
I wish I could see more of you Net 54 friends in pictures and video!

Thanks.......
Your Friend,
Bill Hedin

[barrysloate]

Leon I'm no expert but I think Barry just hit on you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecSupsf4hE

LOL on the Bob Lemke comment on the Youtube page...somebody must be mad at Bob or he also is on the prowl....grrrr...

Cheers,

John

Ixnay John...I don't want the secret to leak out.

[wonkaticket]

Ixnay John...I don't want the secret to leak out.

Leon is my kind of man candy Barry I'll scratch your eyes out stay away from my man! :D

Cheers,

John

[danmckee]

I always knew you were a catcher John and not a pitcher.

[Taxman]

Leon,

For this years National tshirt could we get SAM I am put on them:)

[Leon]

I guess I was on the youtube deal. I forgot. I am a rock star now!!

[atx840]

Maybe its the T206 Young ghost video when it was up for sale.

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7mhw7QtwI)

[Leon]

Maybe its the T206 Young ghost video when it was up for sale.

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7mhw7QtwI)

thanks for sharing the video. I have never seen that.

http://luckeycards.com/pt206ghostmultioverprint2.jpg

John- sweet talk will get you no where :).


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[DJR]

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[gnaz01]

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=854942

Wow, it looks like he has graduated to large scale (possible) counterfeiting / fraud.

Unbelievable!!! :mad:

[vintagetoppsguy]

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=854942

Wow, it looks like he has graduated to large scale (possible) counterfeiting / fraud.

If by "he" you mean Sam, then it looks like you're right. If you mean Joey, then there was never any proof that Joey and Sam were one in the same. Joey is from Washington State. Sam is from California.

[Leon]

If by "he" you mean Sam, then it looks like you're right. If you mean Joey, then there was never any proof that Joey and Sam were one in the same. Joey is from Washington State. Sam is from California.

They both went ballistic, acted the same and wouldn't give required info for this board's purposes when asked. Whether they were the exact same guy, which I am still 50-50 on, is of no consequence to me. The way they both acted WAS quite immature and I don't think they would have been positive contributors to our board. There is a reason we have had approximately $25 of total fraud (knock on wood) on our BST pages in over 7 yrs. Be careful over there, know your trading partner, ask for references....and that area is one of the safest on the internet to do business and trades. Caveat emptor as always. take care

[7nohitter]

I also like how most people on here have eachothers backs. If one person gets screwed then it's out like wildfire. Now if only people would start collecting T206 cards then this site would be better.:eek:

Could not have said it better myself...the few interactions I've had with members of this board have been phenominal! I know most of you don't 'know' me, but I completely understand what Pete is saying here...

[npa589]

I had a near transaction with Joey Farino (italianz) via e-mail, but after a few back and forth e-mails, I soon realized this guy was insane and that little alarm in my gut began to go off. I didn't know of any other malfeasance until I read this thread.

The good thing is that, empirically, it doesn't seem as though he is intelligent enough to prolong this type of activity. He'll get his at some point.


Regarding the reliability of other people on this board, I couldn't agree more. Whenever I have a good correspondence with someone on eBay, or elsewhere, I forward this site to them as a great resource and as a great medium for future transactions. I think if we all made a conscious effort to advertise this site to other users who we have positive and pleasant transactions with on eBay or elsewhere, it could have a great impact on the amount of transactions on the board.

[Anthony S.]

If by "he" you mean Sam, then it looks like you're right. If you mean Joey, then there was never any proof that Joey and Sam were one in the same. Joey is from Washington State. Sam is from California.

Joey is quite capable of disguising the state from which he's operating. As David's link showed, the fellow who bought a fake Jordan from Joey thought he was dealing with an elderly man in Colorado (even spoke with him on the phone), when in actuality the man was acting as a front for Joey, who was in California.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Joey is quite capable of disguising the state from which he's operating. As David's link showed, the fellow who bought a fake Jordan from Joey thought he was dealing with an elderly man in Colorado (even spoke with him on the phone), when in actuality the man was acting as a front for Joey, who was in California.

Joey lives in Federal Way, Washington and his eBay user id is italianz31. This I know to be a fact. Sam1952 lives in Claifornia and his eBay user id is jasonchicas. This I also know to be a fact. Are they friends or related in some way? Who knows. But there was never any proof that the two were one in the same (or linked together in any way for that matter).

Besides, Joey is not smart enough to digsuise anything. I busted his alt twice on the SGC boards. The first time took 57 minutes from his initial post:

http://www.sgccard.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2004307&page=1&fpart=1

The second time only took me only 27 minutes from his intital post:

http://www.sgccard.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2006783&page=1&fpart=1

Joey Farino is a lot of things, but I don't think he is a scammer. Anybody that has ever dealt with him on this board, the CU boards or the PSA boards was dealt with honestly and received exactly what they paid for. If anybody has any proof otherwise, please show me.

[calvindog]

This is good for the hobby. One more Michael Jordan rookie card available to all.

[Taxman]

Joey Farino is a lot of things, but I don't think he is a scammer. Anybody that has ever dealt with him on this board, the CU boards or the PSA boards was dealt with honestly and received exactly what they paid for. If anybody has any proof otherwise, please show me.

I dont think its very HONEST when you tell someone your grandmother died in order to cancel a sale or you contact a seller and ask for a partial refund because the card doesnt measure up to your grading standards. Too make a long story short there is a reason Joey/joeyf/jboog/italianz31/mantlefan81/sam52 is no longer allowed on the Net54, PSA or SGC boards.

[danmckee]

I dont think its very HONEST when you tell someone your grandmother died in order to cancel a sale or you contact a seller and ask for a partial refund because the card doesnt measure up to your grading standards. Too make a long story short there is a reason Joey/joeyf/jboog/italianz31/mantlefan81/sam52 is no longer allowed on the Net54, PSA or SGC boards.

I concur 100%

[vintagetoppsguy]

Joey Farino is a lot of things, but I don't think he is a scammer. Anybody that has ever bought from him on this board, the CU boards or the PSA boards was dealt with honestly and received exactly what they paid for. If anybody has any proof otherwise, please show me.

There, I fixed it for you. How's that?

[danmckee]

There, I fixed it for you. How's that?

So he is honest to buy from and dishonest when selling to?

ok, I guess that is a little better

[Taxman]

There, I fixed it for you. How's that?

Still not right...I bought a few items from him. Actually paid the asking price for one item and about 2 hours after payment was sent he refunded the money saying it wasnt enough. He stated he needed more money because his grandmother had died and his girlfriend was pregnant. This was about 3 months before he told another board member about his grandmother dying...Which he could/would have more than one.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Dan,

Joey didn't scam you. He made a purchase from you and wanted to return it. You got your card back and he got his money back. Did he lie about the reason why he wanted to return it? Perhaps. Who really knows? But being a liar doesn't make him a scammer.

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Keith,

That is the first time I've heard about this. If that is true, then that makes Joey a douche bag in my book. However, it does not make him a scammer. You were out nothing.

You guys are grasping for straws here. I repeat, if someone can show me where Joey Farino scammed them out of money/cards, then I'll admit I was wrong. But if you can't, isn't it really time to drop it?

[Leon]

Dan,

Joey didn't scam you. He made a purchase from you and wanted to return it. You got your card back and he got his money back. Did he lie about the reason why he wanted to return it? Perhaps. Who really knows? But being a liar doesn't make him a scammer.

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Keith,

That is the first time I've heard about this. If that is true, then that makes Joey a douche bag in my book. However, it does not make him a scammer. You were out nothing.

You guys are grasping for straws here. I repeat, if someone can show me where Joey Farino scammed them out of money/cards, then I'll admit I was wrong. But if you can't, isn't it really time to drop it?

David- why the big deal? Who cares? The guy makes 0 difference in our lives and he isn't on this board. Regardless of anything else out all, the emails he sent me were enough to not want our members to have to put up with him. Admittedly I asked for id, he gave it and then I asked for more because of new revelations, but that doesn't mean the guy should go ballistic on me. He should have thanked me if anything for trying to keep this place as safe as possible. He shot himself in the foot with the way he acted, forgetting everything and anything else.

[Pup6913]

I dont think its very HONEST when you tell someone your grandmother died in order to cancel a sale or you contact a seller and ask for a partial refund because the card doesnt measure up to your grading standards. Too make a long story short there is a reason Joey/joeyf/jboog/italianz31/mantlefan81/sam52 is no longer allowed on the Net54, PSA or SGC boards.

I agree 100%. Anyone that refunded him money because it didn't measure up to his standards either overgraded the card them selves to get more $ and it finally bit them or is just plain silly. I would take a negative before I refunded anything. It's not gonna hurt your reputation because he is a thief/liar.

[rainier2004]

He should have thanked me if anything for trying to keep this place as safe as possible. He shot himself in the foot with the way he acted, forgetting everything and anything else.

Honestly, thank you Leon making this board as safe as possible. You personally stopped a transaction I nearly made and would have been burned on in the past (not by Joey). I'd just asoon not have any liars, double identity or any dishonest people on the board and you are the sheriff in town. Thank you Leon.

[vintagetoppsguy]

David- why the big deal? Who cares? The guy makes 0 difference in our lives and he isn't on this board. Regardless of anything else out all, the emails he sent me were enough to not want our members to have to put up with him. Admittedly I asked for id, he gave it and then I asked for more because of new revelations, but that doesn't mean the guy should go ballistic on me. He should have thanked me if anything for trying to keep this place as safe as possible. He shot himself in the foot with the way he acted, forgetting everything and anything else.

Leon,

I agree with you 100%. I have no problem with him being booted from the board. You made a reasonable request and if he didn't comply then he should pound sand.

I'm just not sure why this thread was revived three and a half months later just to beat a dead horse and drag his name through the mud? I repeat what I said earlier: Joey Farino is a lot of things (liar, idiot, moron, douche, alt, not a man of his word or whatever you want to call him), but that doesn't make him a scammer. He's had tens of thousands of dollars worth of transactions and as far as I know (and once again, somebody please correct me if I am wrong) nobody ever got taken for a dime.

I don't particularly like the guy, but on the other hand I don't like to see anybody falsely accused of things either. You're right, it makes 0 difference in our lives. That said, I'm just not sure why the thread was bumped just to continue to assassinate his character w/o any proof.

I do concur with the others in that I'm glad you make this a safe place for all of us. Thanks!

[Leon]

Leon,

I agree with you 100%. I have no problem with him being booted from the board. You made a reasonable request and if he didn't comply then he should pound sand.

I'm just not sure why this thread was revived three and a half months later just to beat a dead horse and drag his name through the mud? I repeat what I said earlier: Joey Farino is a lot of things (liar, idiot, moron, douche, alt, not a man of his word or whatever you want to call him), but that doesn't make him a scammer. He's had tens of thousands of dollars worth of transactions and as far as I know (and once again, somebody please correct me if I am wrong) nobody ever got taken for a dime.

I don't particularly like the guy, but on the other hand I don't like to see anybody falsely accused of things either. You're right, it makes 0 difference in our lives. That said, I'm just not sure why the thread was bumped just to continue to assassinate his character w/o any proof.

I do concur with the others in that I'm glad you make this a safe place for all of us. Thanks!

I wouldn't have revived the thread but it's a very open board so anyone can do that with old threads. I also don't know of Joey actually ripping anyone off. I didn't ever say that.

And lastly thanks for the kind words on efforts to keep this place as safe as possible. It's still caveat emptor and I do want to know of any crap that goes on on the BST.....fortunately I don't have to get involved even a few times a year. I stay away as much as possible. If anyone ever doesn't want to give a reference I would like to know, or if anyone needs to ask anything about someone, I am always here to try to help. best regards

[smtjoy]

While I am glad that Joey (and a few other folks) are not on these boards any more, I do agree with what David is saying.

[danmckee]

[QUOTE=vintagetoppsguy;989781]Dan,

Joey didn't scam you. He made a purchase from you and wanted to return it. You got your card back and he got his money back. Did he lie about the reason why he wanted to return it? Perhaps. Who really knows? But being a liar doesn't make him a scammer.

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David, Joey bought something from me with no intention of paying the correct price. He made up a bogus story and asked for a discount to not return the card. Is that scamming? Maybe, maybe not. It may just be a strange way to negotiate by holding the item over the seller.

You are correct, he didn't scam me but that is because I wasn't stupid or desperate.

Dan

[Clutch-Hitter]

What about the fake Jordan? A few years ago I heard of a guy selling DVDs through other legitimate IDs. He put out an ad requesting people list items on ebay and when the buyers did not receive the items, the innocent seller became the bad guy.

Sure, he started getting his feet wet, but progression seemed to be predictable. He lost money on many items in a short time of flipping and can possibly rationalize his behavior (to himself). But just guessing, seems like a fine fellow who is receiving random criticism from multiple people who have dealt with him in the context of my best guess. Context is very important, as is the core of this board, including Sheriff Leon and his deputies.

Not a guess: Leon and Dan have been around, been there done that.

[vintagetoppsguy]

What about the fake Jordan?

What fake Jordan? The Jordan on the left is supposedly the real Jordan and the one on the right is supposedly the fake. Do you know how to tell the difference between a real and a fake? I do. I'm not sure why you're calling it a fake. Newsflash: It is real! If you can't look and tell the difference, how can you call it a fake?

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/xxogxx/ScreenShot2012-05-01at81809PM.pnghttp://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/xxogxx/003.jpg

I think the situation was a bit fishy, but I'm not quite sure it was a scam. Think about it for a minute. Why would a scammer mail out a real Jordan RC worth hundreds of dollars (even raw)? Why not a counterfeit one? Or even an empty slab? It makes no sense.

Did it ever occur to the lynch mob mentality that the two cards above are the same card and it was re-holdered at some point and that's why the flip looks different? I know, that's too logical and it's much easier and makes for much more drama to call it a fake and a scam. People that dfon't know how to spot a fake, shouldn't refer to the card as a fake. If you're not sure how to tell the difference, please ask and I'll be more than happy to tell you.

[rainier2004]

Did it ever occur to the lynch mob mentality that the two cards above are the same card and it was re-holdered at some point and that's why the flip looks different?

I truly have no idea as I simply break slabs open, but if/when PSA/TPG's reholder a card, not crossover a card, do they give it the same serial # or a new one?

[Clutch-Hitter]

Hey Davd,

I don't collect basketball cards and would not know the difference or care to know the difference. Thank you though. The original topic involving the card is what I was going by. I was ripped off recently, which may explain my lack of tollerance. When it comes to criminal activity, in general, of which there are no consequences and a great deal of it, I may jump to conclusions based on multiple accounts. Yes, it's all shady, and I hope the guy gets/got his act together. But clearly there WAS a problem. Your opinion is respected and was well presented.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Serial number should stay the same I believe. Know nothing about bar codes, supposed to look the same?

[Clutch-Hitter]

And which is the original holder? The good scan has what appears to be the more current font, while the one in the bad picture seems to have older font and spacing. These are questions about the holders, nothing more.

[Taxman]

You might be able to spot a fake card but obviously you can't spot a fake psa flip. The card in hand has a fake psa flip. The bar code is wrong and font on the flip is wrong. Current Scam is to take a nice looking card in a cracked slab or reproduced slab with a fake flip to appear as a much nicer card.

[Clutch-Hitter]

The card in the good scan appears to have some spots around the border that aren't on the card in the picture. Referring to spots on the card in the scan that aren't on the card in the picture and nothing more.

[Taxman]

He's back on the psa board joeyf777.

[Taxman]

Back as banderson