Jello, Post and other cutouts

[freakhappy]

Hello everyone, I have a question...

I know at least that PSA and SGC used to put numerical grades on Jello and Post cards...do they still or do they just place an Authentic grade on these?

I thought that I had heard something like they do not put grades on these anymore, but I am curious just so if I do decide to purchase one, I will be aware of this fact. Thanks in advance!

Mike

[GasHouseGang]

I've wondered the same thing. The ones I've seen with numerical grades had to have the entire dotted border all the way around or they had an Authentic grade.

[skelly]

I love SGC, but beware, on the 1959 bazooka cards, I know they originally gave # grades to cards that will now only get Auth grades. Must have at least 60-80% of the lines showing. PSA is tougher that SGC on the hand cut cards. I have been able to cross a couple PSA Authentics to # grades with SGC.

[HRBAKER]

On the 1959 Bazooka SPs I'll take whatever I can get, crossover or not.

[David W]

Cut and paste from www.psacard.com


The Grading of Hand-Cut Cards

PSA will grade virtually any card that has been hand-cut off of a panel, box, etc. (Post Cereal, Hostess, Bazooka, Strip cards, etc.) keeping the following information in mind. This service does not include traditional sheet-cut cards. PSA will not grade cards cut from sheets that can be obtained in a normal fashion. For example, PSA will not grade a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky card cut from a sheet because that card was issued in non-sheet form. On the other hand, PSA will grade a 1959 Bazooka or 1961 Post Cereal Mickey Mantle because those cards could only be obtained in one fashion - removed by hand from a box or panel.

In order for PSA to actually assign a grade to any of the cards that possess visible/defined borders on all four sides, evidence of that border must be present. If the cut exceeds the visible border for the card in question, PSA will encapsulate the card as "Authentic" only. If the card is severely undersized and suffers in overall eye appeal, the graders may deem the card not suitable for authentication or reject the card as minimum-sized altogether.

Keep in mind that, for cards that do not possess visible/defined borders, the cards must still fall within a certain size requirement for that particular issue in order to qualify for an actual grade. In other words, the borders must be virtually full in order for a grade to be rendered. Otherwise, as stated above, a label of "Authentic" will be assigned or, in some cases, the cards may fall short of the size requirement altogether. This is not an exact science. PSA will do its best to provide consistent guidelines for these types of cards.

In addition, PSA will allow cards that have had a coupon or tab removed from the original card to be submitted under this service. For example, if a 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut at or outside of the established tab line, the card would be eligible to receive a numerical grade. On the other hand, if the 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut inside of the line (the line where the tab meets the interior of the card), then the PSA graders will be precluded from entering a numerical grade. Cards that are cut within the limits established for a particular issue will be encapsulated and designated as "authentic" by PSA. All of the cards eligible for this service will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label to distinguish them from the intact, "with tab" or "with coupon" examples.

PSA suggests that, in order to achieve the highest grades, the cuts of the cards should be relatively close to the visible borders without exceeding the limit. Cards that exhibit a clean, accurate and properly shaped cut have the best chance at achieving the highest grades. Eye appeal is very important. When it comes to excess paper or cardboard around the edges of the visible borders, the graders will place significant importance on overall eye appeal. Keep in mind that all cards of this type will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label for accuracy. In addition, if the customer chooses, PSA will grade and encapsulate entire panels if those panels will fit in any of our current PSA holders. With the exception of the aforementioned items, normal grading criteria will apply.

[carrigansghost]

Wasn't the 61 Mantle also a magazine insert?

[HRBAKER]

Cut and paste from www.psacard.com


The Grading of Hand-Cut Cards

PSA will grade virtually any card that has been hand-cut off of a panel, box, etc. (Post Cereal, Hostess, Bazooka, Strip cards, etc.) keeping the following information in mind. This service does not include traditional sheet-cut cards. PSA will not grade cards cut from sheets that can be obtained in a normal fashion. For example, PSA will not grade a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky card cut from a sheet because that card was issued in non-sheet form. On the other hand, PSA will grade a 1959 Bazooka or 1961 Post Cereal Mickey Mantle because those cards could only be obtained in one fashion - removed by hand from a box or panel.

In order for PSA to actually assign a grade to any of the cards that possess visible/defined borders on all four sides, evidence of that border must be present. If the cut exceeds the visible border for the card in question, PSA will encapsulate the card as "Authentic" only. If the card is severely undersized and suffers in overall eye appeal, the graders may deem the card not suitable for authentication or reject the card as minimum-sized altogether.

Keep in mind that, for cards that do not possess visible/defined borders, the cards must still fall within a certain size requirement for that particular issue in order to qualify for an actual grade. In other words, the borders must be virtually full in order for a grade to be rendered. Otherwise, as stated above, a label of "Authentic" will be assigned or, in some cases, the cards may fall short of the size requirement altogether. This is not an exact science. PSA will do its best to provide consistent guidelines for these types of cards.

In addition, PSA will allow cards that have had a coupon or tab removed from the original card to be submitted under this service. For example, if a 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut at or outside of the established tab line, the card would be eligible to receive a numerical grade. On the other hand, if the 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut inside of the line (the line where the tab meets the interior of the card), then the PSA graders will be precluded from entering a numerical grade. Cards that are cut within the limits established for a particular issue will be encapsulated and designated as "authentic" by PSA. All of the cards eligible for this service will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label to distinguish them from the intact, "with tab" or "with coupon" examples.

PSA suggests that, in order to achieve the highest grades, the cuts of the cards should be relatively close to the visible borders without exceeding the limit. Cards that exhibit a clean, accurate and properly shaped cut have the best chance at achieving the highest grades. Eye appeal is very important. When it comes to excess paper or cardboard around the edges of the visible borders, the graders will place significant importance on overall eye appeal. Keep in mind that all cards of this type will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label for accuracy. In addition, if the customer chooses, PSA will grade and encapsulate entire panels if those panels will fit in any of our current PSA holders. With the exception of the aforementioned items, normal grading criteria will apply.

Yea, PSA knows what they're doing with box cut cards:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/Decorated%20images/Wills68baz.jpg

I guess it must have had enough of the originally intended borders intact just like this one:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/Decorated%20images/68bxtipswills.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/Decorated%20images/javierbazooka.jpg

[David W]

Hmmmm.... those Bazookas are certainly interesting.

I guess 1/4 of a card cut quite neatly gets a nice grade....

Anyway, I quit sending cards in to a TPG a couple years ago.

[HRBAKER]

Hmmmm.... those Bazookas are certainly interesting.

I guess 1/4 of a card cut quite neatly gets a nice grade....

Anyway, I quit sending cards in to a TPG a couple years ago.

David,

My point was simply that I think that all box cut cards regardless of how nicely they have been cut/shaved or whatever should be graded "Authentic" because they are no longer in their original state. PSA is all over the board on these things.

[Runscott]

Wasn't the 61 Mantle also a magazine insert?

You know, I was certain if I looked around long enough I would find a useful vintage post by you. And here we are...


...oh, wait.... :( (I'll keep looking - there has to be one around here somewhere).