View Full Version : Straight from Clean Sweep to eBay... With a Bump from Good to Ex Condition...
leftygrove10
07-06-2011, 08:36 PM
Check this out.... It's unbelievable what some people will do to make a buck...
Check out the following Diamond Stars Grove card from Clean Sweep Auctions: Graded SGC 2 (Good)....
http://www.csauctions.com/item.cgi?show_item=0000316428
Now check out the eBay auction below. Although the card is still shown in a holder, it now grades Ex to Ex+ with no imperfections.... That is, no imperfections except for the paper loss on the back.... He doesn't even mention that the card has been graded SGC 2 (or was graded SGC 2 before he frees it from the slab to send to the buyer)....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-DIAMOND-STARS-1-LEFTY-GROVE-REDSOX-HOF-EX-EX-/370525014408?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5645030988
Here is the auction description, so that you will know what he said after he makes changes to it because of this post:
"MOVING TO THE AUCTION BLOCK NOW IS THIS NICE QUALITY FIRST CARD FROM THE 1934 DIAMOND STARS SET PRODUCED BY THE NATIONAL CHICLE COMPANY. PRESENTED IS THIS EXCELLENT TO EX+ CONDITION #1 CARD OF BOSTON REDSOX HALL OF FAME PITCHER LEFTY GROVES. A CLASSIC AND BRIGHT ISSUE OF ROBERT MOSES GROVES, ONE OF THE GREATEST LEFTHANDERS OF ALL-TIME. THIS CARD HAS A CLEAR AND COLORFUL APPEARANCE ON THE FRONT WITH NICE SURFACE AND NICE CORNERS, NO IMPERFECTIONS. THE BACK IS BRIGHT AND BOLD WITH A DEFECT FREE CLEAN AND BRIGHT TEXT SURFACE. THIS CARD IS PERFECT FOR THE ADVANCED REDSOX OR A'S COLLECTOR OR FANS OF THE SPECTACULAR 1934-36 DIAMOND STARS SET. SEE THE HIGH RESOLUTION FRONT AND BACK SCANS TO JUDGE FOR YOURSELF. BOOK VALUE ON THIS GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC AND ORIGINAL VINTAGE 1934 DIAMOND STARS CARD OF LEFTY GROVE IS $700.00. WINNER PAYS $2.00 FOR SHIPPING. MULTIPLE AUCTION WINNERS PAY JUST ONE SHIPPING FEE."
You can even tell it's still in a slab in the ebay auction picture. There are better ways to make a buck. He got a decent buy on a nice card, why not just be truthful about it?
BleedinBlue
07-06-2011, 09:06 PM
Kevino35 is famous for pulling this kind of maneuver. Usually he removes the card from the slab and then doctors it while hiding his manipulations in a long description so he can get around a SNAD complaint. I never bid on this guys garbage even though he often has stuff I wouldn't mind having. It's just too tainted. In his defense though, I once called him out on a card doctoring job he had done and he removed the listing and I've never seen it return.
sox1903wschamp
07-06-2011, 09:34 PM
You can even tell it's still in a slab in the ebay auction picture. There are better ways to make a buck. He got a decent buy on a nice card, why not just be truthful about it?
Agree. He did get a good price in the Clean Sweep auction. I stayed away because of the centering. Can't remember if I have ever purchased from this seller. Good detective work Brad.
hunterdutchess
07-06-2011, 09:58 PM
I like his 34 Dean that has round as can be corners getting a EX grade. How about these beauties:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-RED-KLEINOW-N-Y-AMERICANS-EX-NM-/370522151714?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5644d75b22#ht_607wt_1130
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-JACK-KNIGHT-W-BAT-YANKS-EX-NM-/370522151582?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5644d75a9e#ht_630wt_1130
EX+/NM??? At Least Pro or Gem grading will trim the cards before giving them laugh out loud grades.
scooter729
07-07-2011, 05:03 AM
Kevino35 is famous for pulling this kind of maneuver. Usually he removes the card from the slab and then doctors it while hiding his manipulations in a long description so he can get around a SNAD complaint. I never bid on this guys garbage even though he often has stuff I wouldn't mind having. It's just too tainted. In his defense though, I once called him out on a card doctoring job he had done and he removed the listing and I've never seen it return.
Totally agree - I have seen him in action at some local Boston-area auctions, and usually chuckle at some of the odd purchases, then seeing them re-appear soon on the Bay, in much better condition (at least in his description) than in the initial auction.
How does he possibly have 10,500 + feedbacks with 100% positive? So much for that system providing any real way of establishing credibility...
almostdone
07-07-2011, 06:27 AM
I senrt him the following question: "It appears that this card is in agraded case. Is it and what is the grade of the card since there is no mention of it in the auction. Drew".
We will see if he responds.
Drew
bobbyw8469
07-07-2011, 08:33 AM
He responded to me. I posed the same question as well. He states that the card IS NOT graded. So I guess that settles that! Case closed!
Griffins
07-07-2011, 08:39 AM
How does he possibly have 10,500 + feedbacks with 100% positive? So much for that system providing any real way of establishing credibility...
I tried to neg him, he never sent me a card and when I opened a case with paypal he sent a bogus tracking number. When I pointed it out to paypal they cancelled the transaction and refunded me, so I didn't have a chance to neg him.
Googling him for back articles in The Sun Chronicle will reveal more info.
deadballera
07-07-2011, 08:51 AM
I will also send the "holder" question and see if he responds.
vintagetoppsguy
07-07-2011, 09:17 AM
I don't know why you guys are toying with him on the holder issue. Either 1 of 2 things happened.
1.) He bought the card and cracked (or will crack) it out of the holder for the buyer.
2.) He stole the scan for his own listing.
Either way is unscrupulous.
If you want to know the truth, just call him out on it. Don't toy with him about the holder.
GrayGhost
07-07-2011, 09:41 AM
What's not being mentioned is the imbecile factor of potential buyers. If they can't see by looking, that those cards aren't ex or ex plus and "crease free" etc, they are just as bad.
Slimy as this guy is, the idiot buyers (as in fake autos) are often just as guilty of not having the intelligence of an Amoeba
leftygrove10
07-08-2011, 04:56 AM
He ended his original auction, removed the card from the holder and relisted the card..... Still with the same auction description....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-DIAMOND-STARS-1-LEFTY-GROVE-REDSOX-HOF-EX-EX-/370525255328?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item564506b6a0
He ended his original auction, removed the card from the holder and relisted the card..... Still with the same auction description....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-DIAMOND-STARS-1-LEFTY-GROVE-REDSOX-HOF-EX-EX-/370525255328?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item564506b6a0
What a maroon.... :)
t206hound
07-08-2011, 07:54 AM
He ended his original auction, removed the card from the holder and relisted the card..... Still with the same auction description....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-DIAMOND-STARS-1-LEFTY-GROVE-REDSOX-HOF-EX-EX-/370525255328?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item564506b6a0
I just asked him if the card was removed from an SGC 30 holder (referencing the CSA link) and his response was "no it was not."