Lundgren Variation... (LUl.DGREN)

[Blunder19]

Just wondering why this card is not considered to be a variation like the "Noodgrass"..

All thoughts are welcome... and if you have an example please post a pic..
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/Lungren1.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/L3.jpg
Happy 4th of July Everyone.

Jamie

[Michael Peich]

Hi, Jamie,

Based on your photo of the Lundgren it appears that the down-stroke and corresponding upstroke on the -N has worn away. As such, I don't see how it would qualify as a variant. I have seen cards in my collecting experience where there is evidence of similar wear to a player's name.

Happy Fourth to you and everyone else!

Cheers, Mike

[iggyman]

Hello Jamie,

Here is my example of the partial "N" (Piedmont 150), plus a Lundgren without the partial "N" (tougher Piedmont 350). Whether it is a variation or not is for others to debate, but since I have one..........I'm calling it a variation along the same lines of the partial "S" in Nodgrass. The "N" stroke has not worn away, it simply is not there. Jamie actually pointed-out the partial "N" Lundgren in a prior thread a few years back and ever since then I've been looking for another. I've found one more (in an eBay auction about a year ago) but past on pulling the snipe trigger.

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Lovely Day...

[atx840]

Example on ebay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Carl-Lundgren-Chic-PSA-1-7193-/130522637838?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1e63c1660e#ht_1588wt_907)

[Blunder19]

Cool chris.. thanks for pointing that one for sale out..

So since others do exist (thanks Iggy).. I WOULD consider it a varation... wouldnt others agree?


Still looking for a reasonable explination on whi it would not be a variation....

Thanks
Jamie

[4815162342]

Are there any P150s that do not have the partial 'N'?

[novakjr]

I've mentioned another possible variation before, but never really pushed it, because I thought it was just exclusive to certain backs...BUT there's two on ebay right now, that show the variation existing even among the same back.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-OWEN-WILSON-BEANTOWN-FIND-PSA-4-/360377258831?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item53e828934f

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-Owen-Wilson-SGC-20-1-5-1279570-078-/190543671368?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c5d49b048

Both of these Wilson's have the Piedmont 350 back. While showing both variations in the red/orange burst in the background..

By that same thought, is this partial N exclusive to the Piedmont 150's, and is there complete N versions within the Piedmont 150's?

[iggyman]

Piedmont 150 backs can be found with the partial "N" and with the full "N". I'm relatively sure that partial "N's" do not exist with Piedmont 350 nor EL Principe Del Gales backs.

Dislaimer: This board sometimes has a way of proving people that make assertions or assurances look a bit foolish :p.

Lovely Day...

[novakjr]

Piedmont 150 backs can be found with the partial "N" and with the full "N". I'm relatively sure that partial "N's" do not exist with Piedmont 350 nor EL Principe Del Gales backs.

Dislaimer: This board sometimes has a way of proving people that make assertions or assurances look a bit foolish :p.

Lovely Day...

If the variation exists among the same back, then I imagine it would be treated in similar regards as the Nodgrass..

If it's a card with no variation within the same back, then I'd probably just consider it "that backs" version of the card...Which is what I originally thought the Wilson to be, until I saw both versions with the P350..

[4815162342]

If the variation exists among the same back, then I imagine it would be treated in similar regards as the Nodgrass..

If it's a card with no variation within the same back, then I'd probably just consider it "that backs" version of the card...

Exactly where I was going with my question. +1

[White Borders]

Both my P150 and EPDG Lundgren Chi have the full "N".

Best Regards,
Craig

[T206Collector]

My own opinion on nodgrass, Shappe and Murr'y is that they are totally over-hyped. They are not error cards. Their names were not misspelled. There was a fleck of dust on a print run or two that caused what appear to be unusual spellings.

I draw the line at printer error, vs. dust on the printer plate. I don't particularly care for Sweeney No B either, for a similar reason.

The only reason that these items earn a premium is because more than one person thinks its cool enough to bid against another in an auction or sale. Then the next guy who goes to sell the card marks it at that premium and cites the first sale. Repeat ad infinitum.

Don't believe the hype. Collect real errors, not splotchy lettering.

[novakjr]

My own opinion on nodgrass, Shappe and Murr'y is that they are totally over-hyped. They are not error cards. Their names were not misspelled. There was a fleck of dust on a print run or two that caused what appear to be unusual spellings.

I draw the line at printer error, vs. dust on the printer plate. I don't particularly care for Sweeney No B either, for a similar reason.

The only reason that these items earn a premium is because more than one person thinks its cool enough to bid against another in an auction or sale. Then the next guy who goes to sell the card marks it at that premium and cites the first sale. Repeat ad infinitum.

Don't believe the hype. Collect real errors, not splotchy lettering.

I can definitely agree with that. It's probably the same reason I have no desire to get the '58 Topps Herrer(a) "error", the '57 Topps Baker(p) "error".