Question on these auctions - Allen & Ginter

[npa589]

Now that I see someone has bid on them, I 'm curious about what these cards are from.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300571278761&ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT

The seller has like 10 of these up.

Something seems fishy...

[JamesGallo]

There vintage but cut from a display or large page. I know where they came from and are period pieces for sure. He paid a good amount for them so I don't know why he listed them so cheaply unless he realized they weren't "cards" and is just going to try to cut his losses.

James G

[fkw]

The are cut from the Tobacco Premium Album known as A16. I try to call them "album cuts" instead of cards. They are fairly common overall, but still much scarcer than the normal N28 cards. Many people cut the images of these cards out, they are the same quality lithography, the stock is thinner. They are also the same age as the real N28 cards but obviously never came in a pack of cigarettes.

I buy them sometimes if they are real cheap, they are an cheap alternative for the HOF collector and are 123 years old.

http://centuryoldcards.com/images/n28cutx3.jpg

http://centuryoldcards.com/images/1887n28cutbbill.jpg

[barrysloate]

I believe these were actually cut from an Allen & Ginter advertising poster. If you look at the Mulvey you can see a thin gold border around it. The A & G poster has the 50 card set displayed against a gold background. That's my guess.

[JamesGallo]

I believe these were actually cut from an Allen & Ginter advertising poster. If you look at the Mulvey you can see a thin gold border around it. The A & G poster has the 50 card set displayed against a gold background. That's my guess.

And these are on heavy card stock with a blank back. It also appears they have a black line around them. There was a near set with some doubles and some other cards that were cut out of things probably notebook covers and what not (non Sport).

James G

[drc]

The cutouts are collectible and uncommon, just worth a lot less than the regular cards. The front graphics are as good as on the regular cards, it's just that they aren't real trading cards. As the complete albums and posters now have such high value, the cutouts were cut out many years ago, most in the 1800s. No one would cut apart an album or poster today. The cutouts are sometimes mistaken for proofs, due to the blank backs and handcut edges.

I don't know, and don't quote me on this, but PSA and/or SGC might holder the poster or album cut out cards-- as cutouts, of course. You'd have to ask them. Even more likely Beckett would.

[JamesGallo]

I don't know, and don't quote me on this, but PSA and/or SGC might holder the poster or album cut out cards-- as cutouts, of course. You'd have to ask them. Even more likely Beckett would.

SGC will not as I asked, Beckett seems to holder just about anything, no clue on PSA.

James G

[drc]

I believe it's Beckett's working philosophy that if they can identify it and it fits, they'll put it in a holder. I don't have a problem with that.