Hey Big Spender

[Yankeefan51]

As best as we can tell there are a dozen companies which run a total of 35 auctions a year. If one is to believe the prices realized reported from these auctions, they produce around $100 million in sales.

A further assumption is that the unduplicated mailing list of the 12 firms is about 25,000 people.

Let's assume that 50% of the sales are for either non-baseball, post 1960 baseball and misc items not relevant to the advanced collector.

Let's also assume of the relevant baseball items, about 70% are under $2000.

That means 15% of the items sold are at least $2000 and the mean price is $5000. Whilst the $2000+ items represent only 15% of the lots sold, we would guess they represent 33% of the overall revenue.

If this is the case than we are looking at pool of $33,000,000. Based on some extensive research and many hours speaking with dealers and auction houses, we estimate that there are about 500 people who spend at least $10,000 a year (in high value items) 200 who spend $50,000 a year or more and 100 folks who spend $100,000 a year or more. To the best our knowledge there are 10 collectors who spend in excess of a million dollars a year.

Whilst the market for the most treasured items is relatively small it appears that the population of knowledgeable, sophisticated wealthy collectors remains strong despite the precipitous drop in prices for more common items.

What do you think?


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[SethY]

I don't get your point.

[Leon]

Mr. elite type card collector,

Even though your original post reeks of elitism there could be a decent debate or conversation concerning the topic. However, maybe "we" could also include the more moderate budgets from say $50 a month to $500 a month too. Maybe that won't be as newsworthy though? I would only say that it is my guess that most, but certainly not all, people's card budgets change over time. best regards

[glchen]

I think a lot of these buyers may be dealers or flippers who are only looking to sell their winnings from the auction houses...

[barrysloate]

How could you possibly know the breakdown of who spends how much in this hobby? I would guess those are just wild estimates.

[Ejm1]

I don't think there is any person in the hobby more driven by cash than yankee51. Congrats, you've turned collecting into an advanced finance problem, keep it up and watch the bottom fall out because of the soul sucking bean counters.

[vintagecpa]

The numbers appear to be reasonable. My best guess is there aren't that many people that spend over $1 million per year on cards. However, there are a large number of people that aren't rich, but are willing to spend big money on a once-in-a-lifetime purchase if the right card or lot ever becomes available. You can never underestimate this group of people.

[mighty bombjack]

Having followed the majority of the larger auction houses' offerings over the past couple of years for the items I collect, I can say that I've seen a significant amount of the same items pop up more than once. That is to say, there may be people spending 50,000+ a year, but they are selling as well, probably quite often buying and selling in the same auction. Collecting is a hobby, but so is flipping.

[Yankeefan51]

Barry

Whilst we understand and respect your knowledge, you have not been active in the ultra high market for many years. With all due respect, we think you underestimate the accuracy of our observations..

1) Sales totals for all the auctions are published.
2) With simple math, one can assess the % of items that fall into each of the categories.
3) By constantly surveying auction houses, advanced wealthy collectors, and with 30 years of private contacts, we have a pretty clear picture of who controls the bucks.

As for the gentleman, who indicated all we care about is money

1) we are advanced collectors, and except one personal emergency, we don't sell

2) The compounded growth of our ultra elite collection is grown more than 15% a year over the past 24 years

3) We would think that only place the bottom fell out was your foot which was clearly stuck in your mouth when you made the aforementioned comment.

Our major point is that a select few collectors, less than 250 ,are the market for the ultra rare, expensive, high grade materials. It is these items that attract publicity and drive traffic to the most important auction. Remember that the average lot in the recent REA auction sold for over$ 5,000. That is would certainly eliminate Leon's group of $50 and $500 a month collectors.

We appreciate your interest and look forward to an aggressive buying season in 2011-2012

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[Cat]

We appreciate your interest and look forward to an aggressive buying season in 2011-2012

Lacking sophistication and uber-wealth, the "buying season" is apparently based on some sort of fiscal year that I am unaware of....HELP!

[barrysloate]

Bruce- it's not difficult to determine the total amount of money spent at any given auction, that information is public. But if auction house XYZ sells $1 million worth of cards in their spring sale, how do you know if 100, 200, 300 or more bidders won lots? And how do you know who spent 100K and who bought one $300 card? I know you can extrapolate some information, but I can't imagine it's all that accurate. It's reasonable speculation at best.

[aljurgela]

I believe that Bruce's approximation may be a pretty good one, or at least as good as one could get at this point.... and I am not sure how we would use this data, unless I was an auction house trying to invite the "right" people to a closed high end auction...

But I would add one point... I think that the purchasers of high end material (and probably all collectors regardless of level) should be pretty volatile in dollars spent because they tend to look for certain items and when they become available, they pounce on them making sure that they have "dry powder" for the day that they become available... at least that is my take. So my hypothesis is that some people may spend $100k one year, $10k the next, then $50k, then $200k... it really is a funtion of what is available.

If you believe my hypothesis and apply it to Bruce's numbers, then there would likely have to be more collectors. I would guess that there are about 5 collectors who spend $1 million or more a year.... but I am far less experienced in this "industry" than Bruce or others.

[Shoeless Moe]

Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?

Not being smart, just curious. I wonder what the big cheese do with their collections when the party is over? Ya know the percent that give to their kids, the percent who have it go straight to an auction house for the miss's to cash in on, etc.

[Ejm1]

Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?

Has to much cash to die.

[SethY]

Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?

Men with that ego and sense of superiority probably think they never will kick the bucket. Despite this, he is just like the rest of us :D No one cares about his collection now, it has made no imprint on history, and no one will remember him or the things he possessed once his life on this earth is done.

[TUM301]

Dambit, "they said there`d be NO MATH" !

[Ladder7]

They won't kick the bucket. They'll just turn a little pail ;)

[sb1]

I think the number of bidders is much too high at 25,000. I would guess that if you collated all of the bidder lists from these various auction houses the number of different bidders/winners would be much more in the 5,000 range and perhaps as low as 2,500 different people on lots over $1,000.

[HercDriver]

I'm confused...of the 500 people who spend $10K a year, how many of them are Bruce?

Take Care,
Geno

[Yankeefan51]

Whilst the insane, rude and stupid comments with regard to our health, since we have been quite ill warrant no response, we will share our plans with you. We are single and have no children.

About $250,000 worth of Negro and Cuban items will go the Negro League Museum in Kansas City. Several other important items will be left to the New York Historical Story and Museum of the City of New York- where we serve as consultants. Both of these museums, Mr. Boston College Loser, have displayed our collections.

Those items that are not donated will be sold by REA Auctions. 25% of the money will be donated to a fund we have established, at New York's most important medical center. We will ensure to include a clause in our will that prohibits the medical center for treating you "death lovers"- albeit Payne Whitney Clinic (electric shock treament ) certainly sounds appropriate for your illness.

As for not being remembered, we helped build two different billion dollar companies. We bought one of the most successful web sites in history for $900,000 which, at its peak grew to $5 billion. We also graduated magna cum laude,from one of the top universities in the country- certainly not a second tier business school like yours.

We should, note, however that the former Boston College basketball coach did take our Ivy League team to the final four.

Finally, we wonder if you would be so kind as to mention where your "world class" collection will go when you croke- we might want some decorative items for our butler's pantry


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[SethY]

See this behavior is why you are still single and have no children :p

I am quite proud of what I am at this point in my life and some bald flabby old dude like you won't really change my mind. My choice on where to attend college was the right one. I chose it over another top university in Washington University in St. Louis because I knew I could succeed whilst having a life at the same time. Sure, you succeeded, but you have no life, no children. Just you and your cardboard.

You sir still have no mark on history. You will be in no encyclopedia, not even wikipedia (unless you or someone you pay sets it up), and will not be featured by any sort of prominent group/organization to be remembered.

Since I am not a materialistic jackass, I don't care where my collection goes. I collect for fun and to buy things I think are cool, not to prove I am better than everyone else.

[Ejm1]

What is up with the We comments. Is a multiple personality involved. It's hard to believe your single with all that cash, maybe you should add a female to your wantlist.

[Ease]

Finally, we wonder if you would be so kind as to mention where your "world class" collection will go when you croke- we might want some decorative items for our butler's pantry.
LOL, great line. The word "whilst" has been used more in this thread than I've ever seen in my life.

[brickyardkennedy]

It's deja vu, all over again.

[Pup6913]

This thread is Great. You can really tell who the new people on the board is. I feel special to have found out I am 1/200 (most of which gets resold). That makes me a rarity in this hobby. I might just put myself up for sale. Second thought I think I did that once and ended up having to pay anyways:D:D:D

Bruce you are always great for a good read and laugh.:)

[Yankeefan51]

Seth

Since you managed to get into college, and hope to earn a degree in business, you should get your facts straight before making stupid comments.

Of course, if you choose not to get the facts straight before you speak, you may have a great career as a Mass. Democratic congressmen.

On another note, it appears that it is you who has the ego problem. When and if we die(knew you'd love that) we don't care what happens. In the interim, whilst we are very much alive, we are far and away the happiest, and for that matter, most secure person we know.

As the old 1960's song said, come back when you grow up girl, you're still living in a paper doll world. In the interest of the Board, we should terminate this discussion, but do feel free to write to us directly.

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[Kawika]

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/mischidden/miscellanybaseball/15115.strip.jpg

[Ejm1]

Well folks it's been fun but I must go put my authentic 1927 Yankee stadium mens room toilet paper to use.

[scgaynor]

As somebody who has been behind the scenes at a number of high end auctions I can tell you that Bruce's numbers are high, especially in the current market. A number of the big spenders from a few years ago are no longer active.

There are maybe a handful of people who spend $1 million a year. While they might spend a million dollars a year, they are selling alot as well to finance that buying habit or are dealers who are selling for more money than they are spending. They are not dumping a million a year into the hobby and sitting on the stuff.

The typical big catalog auction mailing list is probably about 5,000. There are probably about 500 active bidders in an auction and 100-200 winners. Those numbers would probably be an average.

That $100 million in sales is actually about $50-$60 million. Many "sales" are not really "sales" at all.

I would revise Bruce's numbers to read

"There are about 200 people who spend at least $10,000 a year (in high value items) 100 who spend $50,000 a year or more and 30-40 folks who spend $100,000 a year or more. To the best our knowledge there are 5 dealers/collectors who spend in excess of a million dollars a year."

[vintagetoppsguy]

maybe you should add a female to your wantlist. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x137/vintagetoppsguy/Personal/ATT000022.gif

[Shoeless Moe]

Scott, "I" for one would like to say, "we" thank you.

[SethY]

As somebody who has been behind the scenes at a number of high end auctions I can tell you that Bruce's numbers are high, especially in the current market. A number of the big spenders from a few years ago are no longer active.

There are maybe a handful of people who spend $1 million a year. While they might spend a million dollars a year, they are selling alot as well to finance that buying habit or are dealers who are selling for more money than they are spending. They are not dumping a million a year into the hobby and sitting on the stuff.

The typical big catalog auction mailing list is probably about 5,000. There are probably about 500 active bidders in an auction and 100-200 winners. Those numbers would probably be an average.

That $100 million in sales is actually about $50-$60 million. Many "sales" are not really "sales" at all.

I would revise Bruce's numbers to read

"There are about 200 people who spend at least $10,000 a year (in high value items) 100 who spend $50,000 a year or more and 30-40 folks who spend $100,000 a year or more. To the best our knowledge there are 5 dealers/collectors who spend in excess of a million dollars a year."


And Brucii just told me to get my facts straight. Thanks for the info man!

Bruce, the CURRENT Boston College basketball coach took your Ivy league team to the ELITE EIGHT.

Get your facts straight ;)

With deep regards for your personal health and well being,

A republican.

[Yankeefan51]

We were referencing the former Boston College Coach, Chuck Daly
who later coached the Pistons. He coached Penn after Boston College.

We also disagree with Scott Gaynor- the number of different bidders in the REA Auctions who spend over $50,000 is quite high.


As for the items not sold, that is something that may be true- we were only referencing what the auction houses state. If you look at the top 12 auction houses they average well over 90% on items valued at $2000 or more.

Thanks for your good health wishes, Seth.

Bruce

[T206Collector]

Whilst we are very much alive, we are far and away the happiest, and for that matter, most secure person we know.

Putting aside that they admit they are a person (singular), can someone who is considing the insecurity of the people he knows be, at the same time, the most secure person he knows? I think this could only be true if the only person he knows was himself, which means he is also the most insecure person he knows.

I wrote a lot more about how much I dislike his posts, but I erased it because what's the point.....?

[mark evans]

I think the answer to Bruce's initial inquiry turns on whether the population of wealthy collectors will increase, decrease or remain constant during the period in which he continues to collect. I don't know the answer. But based upon Scott's statement that current figures show a downward trend, my concern would be a continuation of that trend due to adverse economic conditions and aging baby boomers. Even assuming such a continuing trend, though, I suspect that true rarities would be more likely to retain their value (or perhaps even increase in value) than more common pre-war cards and memorabilia.

[scgaynor]

I agree that Rob has more people spending 50K in an auction than the average auction, however I think that is because he only has one auction a year, and his per lot average is probably higher than everybody else for that reason.

Lets say Rob has 30 people spend over 50K in his auction. Those 30 people probably spend about that much in all other auctions combined over the course of a year.

Mark absolutely hit the nail on the head. The good stuff is always good. Collectors and Investors both want it keeping the price high. It is that way in coins, stamps, cards, etc. Everything else will rise and fall depending on the economy or a couple of collectors entering or leaving the market.

[HRBAKER]

"croak"

[slidekellyslide]

Whilst the insane, rude and stupid comments with regard to our health, since we have been quite ill warrant no response, we will share our plans with you. We are single and have no children.

About $250,000 worth of Negro and Cuban items will go the Negro League Museum in Kansas City. Several other important items will be left to the New York Historical Story and Museum of the City of New York- where we serve as consultants. Both of these museums, Mr. Boston College Loser, have displayed our collections.

Those items that are not donated will be sold by REA Auctions. 25% of the money will be donated to a fund we have established, at New York's most important medical center. We will ensure to include a clause in our will that prohibits the medical center for treating you "death lovers"- albeit Payne Whitney Clinic (electric shock treament ) certainly sounds appropriate for your illness.

As for not being remembered, we helped build two different billion dollar companies. We bought one of the most successful web sites in history for $900,000 which, at its peak grew to $5 billion. We also graduated magna cum laude,from one of the top universities in the country- certainly not a second tier business school like yours.

We should, note, however that the former Boston College basketball coach did take our Ivy League team to the final four.

Finally, we wonder if you would be so kind as to mention where your "world class" collection will go when you croke- we might want some decorative items for our butler's pantry


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Seriously regretting my "Yes" vote in allowing you to return to the board. :(

[slidekellyslide]

"croak"

Jeff, in the Ivy Leagues it's spelled "Croke"...get your facts straight man.

[theseeker]

Unless he is a siamese twin, that "we" stuff is leading me to a question...are we going to the national this year?

My being there is based on how he/we answers.

[rdixon1208]

Is this guy who's bad mouthing someone over the university they went to the same guy who threatened to sue Archive? :D

[forazzurri2axz]

been in a lousy mood today--was about to hit the sack and instaed read all this---I've been laughing for 10 straight minutes for the first time today!!!

bill latzko

[Theoldprofessor]

"Finally, we wonder if you would be so kind as to mention where your "world class" collection will go when you croke- we might want some decorative items for our butler's pantry."

Gee, you'd think that the world's smartest men having graduated froma real school somewhere high up in New England, having founded two businesses, each worth a billion bucks, having swum Mont Everest and climbed to the top of the Pacific Ocean, you'd think that these guys would know how to spell "croak."

[buymycards]

So what is the point of this post? There isn't one. If there is a point - who cares? It is meaningless. No one cares.

Rick

[Ejm1]

We care.

[Yankeefan51]

It rather amuses us that so many people get so emotional when we raise the issues of high value collectibles. One does not speak about the world of art
without a long discussion on Impressionist paintings. And in the world of coins there are well over 5000 US coins sold in each year with a value of 100K or more.

The questioning with regard to what we do with our money was not one we raised. We are playing by the rules, Dan Bretta.

We do think that we bring a level of energy to the Board that appears to lack, so we wonder on "what grounds" you could possibly raise an objection.

Finally, whilst baseball memorabilia is a hobby, it is certainly first and foremost (like coins, art, antiques) a business. Otherwise the providers of material would not be called Dealers.

In every hobby there is fierce competition. Whilst grading services and lists of who owns what is limited to comic books, coins, stamps and cards (because of grading), the very fact that there are hundreds of collectible auctions every year is testimony to the American love for competition.

In auctions, like in life, you either win or lose. We are fiercely competitive,
and when we want an item that we can afford, we will spare nothing to determine a way to acquire. We view all of those who collect what we do as
the competition. And we love the battle.

Albeit on occasion we make a typo, we enjoy the Board. In fact, our last three BTW have resulted in 8 purchases.

Hope all of you have a good weekend. Don't lose your sense of humor or your sense of reality. We already have that problem in our Congress
(Democrat and Republican)

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

The rest of "we" is going to be pissed when they find out everything is in Bruce's name and they are not in the will. :eek:

[novakjr]

Hi Bruce.

I think Leon pretty much summed it up in post #3. I'm honestly at the exact opposite of the spectrum as you when it comes to collecting. I honestly probably have one of the junkiest collections out there. Sure there's some great stuff, but I've been able to amass a pretty diverse and satisfying collection on a budget due to my lack of care for perfection. However, I do understand and appreciate exactly what you were getting at with your initial post.

To address that, I believe what you were looking to discuss is that the very top of the high end, collector-wise has seemed to remain somewhat steady at about 10 collectors. And that you feel that the market for that high end material will continue to be safe while the lower and middle ends of the market have slowly dwindled, and will probably continue to do so, with collectors dropping like flies due to financial issues.

To that extent, I can agree. However, the collectors in the market for that high end stuff will eventually dwindle and (to put it in simple terms) die(no offense), with no one to step in once one leaves. Eventually the safe 10 that you're referring to, will be 7, 5, 3 and at some point maybe zero. It's not like the last big spending collector left will be king. At some point financially, all that will be left to sell to are the middle-grounders, and I guarantee once you're selling down into a different collecting bracket, money will be lost.

Now the low end of this market is where the most growth and contraction will take place. Honestly, if you were to look at this from an investment standpoint, that volatility should make it potentially the most profitable area of the collecting market. At the same time it could make it the most costly, with some mistakes. All that aside, most of us at the low-end of the spectrum aren't actually any different than you high-enders, despite our obvious differences in financial ability, as our collections seem to be more for the enjoyment of collecting, as opposed to investing. Nobody's here competing with each other to see who has the best collection. Honestly if we were to handi-cap it golf style based on financial ability, I'd sure as hell have to say I'm about as happy as I could be to have my collection where it currently is. I guess that would make me the winner. YAY!!!

Anyways, now that that's out of the way. We're all just here to collect and share knowledge, information and ideas about the hobby. Despite the fact that what you shared here is completely irrelevant to me, and I'll assume most of us here, I really do appreciate getting to read every bit of it, and learning from the big timers. It's like Baseball itself. Do I really need to know everything that I know? F*** no, but I sure as hell enjoy the sh*t out of knowing it. And learning more can often times be every bit as satisfying as buying a new card. That's just my simple view on the hobby.

[barrysloate]

What clouds this issue a bit, as has been cited, is the amount of material that gets recycled, again and again. There are plenty of collectors who after they drop 100K in an auction, consign 75K of duplicates to the next one. So if you say that every year these big auction houses sell tens of millions of dollars worth of material, you shouldn't underestimate how much of it has appeared two or more times in a short period of time. I'm sure there is someone who buys a T206 set only to merge it with the one he already has, then consigns his duplicate set to a future sale. So much of this stuff goes round and round that it's hard to get an accurate gauge of how much collectors really spend.

If I buy a card for 10K and then sell a different one for 10K, that's 20K worth of sales, but I in fact have spent nothing.

[soflphillyfan]

The Bruces - "We put the a$$ in assumption."

[tonyo]

This has been a classic and mostly enjoyable thread......True Bruce, it does bring some energy. Thanks to all who have contributed. Although it sickens me to read direct personal attacks and to hear that some folks consider collecting as a competition (I know it's true, I just don't like that it is), it is still an entertaining thread!

The Highlights for me: (in no particular order)

Learning that Chuck Daly coached BC and Penn.
Hearing of Bruce's plan for what happens to his collection when he is gone (I'm impressed much much more with the plan than the actual collection)
Andrew's find of a reference to a singular person.
Eric's "add a female to the want list"
The use of the word "Whilst"
David's description of his low grade collection and his take on the hobby (the post I most identify with)

[hangman62]

Stop using that word - WHILST !!!

[Davalillo]

Another excellent post Bruce. Although I don't care for the attitude, to me your posts are consistently the most interesting and the best on Net 54.

Its interesting that some don't think the high end of card collectors can grow and that when the current group passes away that noone will be there to take their place? Among people I work with, I have played a role in getting two collectors in the hobby-one is now collecting high end graded sets and stars from the 1950s and the other is focused on high grade hockey and baseball from the 50s and 60s. I have also fielded many questions from prospective collectors asking about how to build a vintage high grade collection.

Good luck to all and what you choose to collect.

Jim

[Bill Stone]

Leon --if we have assigned seating at the national Net54 Hyatt baseball dinner will you please put me at the table with Bruce,Barry, Seth and Dan? Thanks :)

[wonkaticket]

I never thought I would say this…but here we go.:D

I really didn’t think this post was all that bad???

It’s obvious this kind of stuff intrigues Bruce and he has spent some time and energy coming to his conclusions. Feel free to debate him on those.

Where I think it all went wrong was the comment to Bruce about kicking the bucket.

Even if the question was genuine in nature about where do large collections end up after the passing of the collector, I do think it could have been asked more tactfully. I though the whole kick the bucket comment to guy in poor health was pretty tacky IMO.

Then the whole pile on from Seth after that about his life being meaningless and making no impact on anyone or anything was a bit much. How would you know from cyberspace Seth what his private life has been about guy? Or what impacts he may leave behind? :mad:

I can totally see where Bruce lost his temper and fired back a ramble. Bruce I also thought the whole shots about someone’s education or insinuating they are less than you was not so great either. For a guy who is as highly educated as you are.

Those types of responses are in direct contradiction of you being a more educated and elite type individual. Even if you wear an ascot to a bar fight it’s still a bar fight. LOL

But after the your a nobody who will die soon or kick the bucket comments you get a pass IMO. ;)

Look Bruce and I have butted heads for years that is no secret (hi Bruce) not because I have bad blood with Bruce. But simply because we see things differently on topics. The “we” stuff at this point is just lazy low hanging fruit been done a million times by me too but I can totally understand how the it’s shiny new ball to the newer members as I do find it funny too.

If I had one suggestion for Bruce I wish he spent just a fraction of the time he spends talking about money and speculation & the financial momentum/drive of our hobby, and shared some of his collection of which is very impressive. I think all of you no matter how much he gets under your skin would at least respect the collection even if you don’t respect the man or his views.

Well just my thoughts from America’s Bottom Feeder Collector Wonkaticket.

Cheers,

John

[DaveH]

Coaches Corner advertises over 26,000 registered bidders. I wonder if Bruce included those "collectors".


Jim Crandell, congratulations on your "best collection of the year" award from PSA. I'd love to see it sometime. Your previously posted pics of your "card room" were awesome.

dh

[Davalillo]

DaveH,

Thank you.

You are welcome to come and see it any time you are in the area. I continue to grow and upgrade my collection. Have roughly 108 complete vintage or semi-vintage sets with each card psa 8 or better and another 30 or so within a few cards of completion.....but please noone call me a whale as I have lost 65 lbs.

Cheers,

Jim

[novakjr]

Another excellent post Bruce. Although I don't care for the attitude, to me your posts are consistently the most interesting and the best on Net 54.

Its interesting that some don't think the high end of card collectors can grow and that when the current group passes away that noone will be there to take their place? Among people I work with, I have played a role in getting two collectors in the hobby-one is now collecting high end graded sets and stars from the 1950s and the other is focused on high grade hockey and baseball from the 50s and 60s. I have also fielded many questions from prospective collectors asking about how to build a vintage high grade collection.

Good luck to all and what you choose to collect.

Jim

Maybe someone will be their to take their place, I honestly don't know. But on the other side of that, we have to take into consideration that guys like Bruce plan on donating portions of their collections to museums when they pass. Not that there's anything wrong with that, in fact I kind of admire it. Now, assuming that a few of the other top dollar collectors have similar plans, it automatically reduces the amount of desirable high end material available to any potential up and coming big spender, which could discourage them from collecting, or at the very least joining the ranks of the serious big spenders.. Maybe one of those donated cards could've been the spark that some rich dude needed to get into collecting, or to make the jump from casual to serious collector? Maybe he saw it, and decide he had to have it, and then fell in love with the hobby? What happens when that potential card or set or whatever isn't there to be had?

The thought of the "Just So" cards sitting in a museum pains me. It doesn't anger me one bit, but it definitely pains me...

[barrysloate]

Jim- congrats on losing the 65 pounds. That's a big deal. And I read all your music posts, even though you generally don't get any written responses.

What appears to go wrong on all of Bruce's posts is not the content, although I don't feel that most of the board members really want to analyze the financial end of this hobby. It's instead the condescending tone.

Instead of ingratiating himself with board members, he antagonizes them. I know he may disagree with that but that's my take. Then it just becomes a free-for-all. Posters start ragging on him, he rags back, and often all hell breaks loose. This has happened far too many times on Bruce's threads not to notice the pattern.

[sportscardpete]

Jim- congrats on losing the 65 pounds. That's a big deal. And I read all your music posts, even though you generally don't get any written responses.

What appears to go wrong on all of Bruce's posts is not the content, although I don't feel that most of the board members really want to analyze the financial end of this hobby. It's instead the condescending tone.

Instead of ingratiating himself with board members, he antagonizes them. I know he may disagree with that but that's my take. Then it just becomes a free-for-all. Posters start ragging on him, he rags back, and often all hell breaks loose. This has happened far too many times on Bruce's threads not to notice the pattern.


it's a shame too. This could have been an excellent thread. I actually really enjoyed the analysis portion of his post. I do disagree with the total number of collectors, however. Has to be smaller than what he said.

[wonkaticket]

What appears to go wrong on all of Bruce's posts is not the content, although I don't feel that most of the board members really want to analyze the financial end of this hobby. It's instead the condescending tone.

Instead of ingratiating himself with board members, he antagonizes them. I know he may disagree with that but that's my take. Then it just becomes a free-for-all. Posters start ragging on him, he rags back, and often all hell breaks loose. This has happened far too many times on Bruce's threads not to notice the pattern.

Barry agree 100%

However in this case folks like Seth came out swinging first and the shot about kicking the bucket was a bit much IMO.

If Bruce is really sick kind of not cool.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

Bruce has had health issues but I believe he is doing better now. And I agree Seth's comment was not appropriate. My point is that this is a pattern that repeats itself in many of Bruce's threads. And it's not by coincidence.

[DanP]

[QUOTE=Its interesting that some don't think the high end of card collectors can grow and that when the current group passes away that noone will be there to take their place? .....Jim[/QUOTE]

Jim,
I agree 100%. I didn't start collecting until my late 40's and while I don't have "whale" type money I do have a lot more than I did when I was in my 20's. Why can't we add wealthy collectors to replace collectors who leave the hobby? The population is always increasing and people love to collect things.

Also, I love looking at other collections and would LOVE to see two collections mentioned here: Bruce and Jim's. I think I remember reading that Bruce keeps his private. Jim, do you have a website?

Take care everyone.

[Jay Wolt]

Dan, here's Jim's set listings taken from the PSA registry (hope Jim doesn't mind me posting this)
An amazing collection that's still growing.



jdc122's Sets


Rank Collection Category Composite % Complete Weighted GPA Set Rating
18 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1887 Allen & Ginter (N28) 30.00% 8.00 03.83
66 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1909-11 T206 White Border - Basic 22.71% 7.87 01.77
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1910-11 Sporting Life (M116) - Basic 27.53% 7.93 02.35
51 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1933 Goudey 19.58% 8.00 01.46
16 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1934 Goudey 86.46% 7.97 06.79
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1934-36 Diamond Stars - Basic 89.81% 8.02 06.90
24 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1936 Goudey 12.00% 7.52 01.20
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1936 S & S Game - Basic 100.00% 8.78 08.78
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1938 Goudey 56.25% 7.27 04.00
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1939 Play Ball - Basic 97.52% 8.16 07.88
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1940 Play Ball 89.17% 7.84 06.86
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1941 Play Ball 100.00% 8.07 08.07
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1948 Bowman 100.00% 8.03 08.03
21 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1948-49 Leaf - Basic 54.08% 7.57 03.39
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1949 Bowman - Basic 100.00% 8.01 08.01
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1950 Bowman 99.60% 8.00 07.86
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1950 Callahan HOF 97.80% 8.15 08.00
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951 Bowman 100.00% 8.00 08.00
14 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951 Topps Blue Back 100.00% 8.15 08.15
12 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951 Topps Red Back - Basic 100.00% 8.62 08.62
14 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1952 Berk Ross 50.00% 6.45 03.26
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1952 Bowman 100.00% 8.06 08.06
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1952 Num Num Cleveland Indians 95.00% 5.15 05.02
27 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1952 Topps - Basic 92.63% 7.89 06.75
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Bowman Black & White 92.19% 7.97 07.06
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Bowman Color 98.75% 8.03 07.96
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Red Man Tobacco with Tab 100.00% 6.55 06.55
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Topps 100.00% 8.00 08.00
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1954 Bowman - Basic 100.00% 8.01 08.01
15 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1954 Dan-Dee Potato Chips 68.97% 8.05 05.56
21 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1954 Red Heart 100.00% 8.04 08.04
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1954 Red Man Tobacco with Tab - Basic 19.61% 7.39 02.31
18 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1954 Topps 100.00% 8.01 08.01
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Bowman - Basic 100.00% 8.03 08.03
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Red Man Tobacco with Tab 100.00% 7.99 07.99
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Topps 100.00% 8.02 08.02
24 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1956 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.03 08.03
27 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1957 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.01 08.01
12 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1958 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.03 08.03
19 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1958 Topps - Master 92.88% 8.03 06.87
36 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1959 Fleer Ted Williams 100.00% 8.18 08.18
20 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1959 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.00 08.00
15 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Fleer - Basic 100.00% 8.01 08.01
16 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Fleer - Master 98.73% 8.01 07.36
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Lake to Lake Braves 60.71% 7.59 04.31
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Leaf 100.00% 8.48 08.48
22 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Topps 100.00% 8.03 08.03
23 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Golden Press 100.00% 8.77 08.77
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Kahns Wieners 97.67% 6.86 06.70
11 The Tribute to Phil Messmore Set Baseball 1961 Nu-Card Scoops 100.00% 8.11 08.11
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Nu-Card Scoops 100.00% 9.01 09.01
24 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.09 08.09
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961-62 Fleer 100.00% 8.16 08.16
1 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1962 Kahns Wieners Atlanta Crackers 100.00% 8.00 08.00
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1962 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.03 08.03
25 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Fleer 100.00% 8.12 08.12
18 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.15 08.15
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps Peel-Offs 100.00% 8.50 08.50
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1964 Kahns Wieners 96.77% 7.36 06.20
15 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1964 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.07 08.07
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1964 Topps - Master 99.83% 8.07 08.05
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1964 Topps Giants 100.00% 9.00 09.00
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1964 Topps Stand Up 100.00% 7.99 07.99
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Kahns Wieners 100.00% 8.88 08.88
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.65 08.65
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps - Master 99.50% 8.71 08.67
1 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1966 East Hills Pirates 100.00% 8.95 08.95
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1966 Kahns Wieners 93.75% 7.98 07.73
14 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1966 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.02 08.02
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Kahns Wieners 82.35% 8.35 06.38
15 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.52 08.52
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Pirates Stickers 100.00% 8.78 08.78
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Red Sox Stickers 100.00% 8.07 08.07
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Who Am I? 100.00% 8.23 08.23
1 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Kahns Wieners - Basic 89.29% 7.86 07.02
1 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Kahns Wieners - Master 44.64% 7.88 03.52
1 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 KDKA Pirates 95.65% 7.08 06.89
30 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.51 08.51
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Topps 3-D 91.67% 8.81 07.92
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Topps Game 100.00% 8.89 08.89
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1969 Kahns Wieners - Basic 96.55% 8.07 07.79
32 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1969 Topps - Basic 98.04% 8.12 07.99
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1969 Topps Deckle Edge 100.00% 8.07 08.07
14 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1969 Topps Supers 100.00% 9.30 09.30
18 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1970 Kellogg's - Basic 100.00% 9.48 09.48
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1970 Milton Bradley 100.00% 9.86 09.86
20 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1970 Rold Gold Pretzels 100.00% 9.00 09.00
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1970 Topps Super 100.00% 8.65 08.65
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1973 Topps 53 Reprint 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1974 Topps Deckle Edge 100.00% 8.77 08.77
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bowman 1948-1955 - Basic 99.15% 11.26 11.13
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bowman 1948-1955 - Master 96.04% 11.26 10.86
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Play Ball (1939-1941) 93.66% 9.20 08.49
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball The Big Three 46.20% 8.77 04.23
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Topps 1950s Run - Master 89.01% 12.10 10.11
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Topps 1955-1959 - Basic 99.46% 10.67 10.47
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Topps 1960s Run - Master 98.39% 9.76 09.53
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Topps 1960-1964 - Basic 99.97% 9.70 09.70
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Players 81.74% 8.70 07.11
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Players - Post War Rookies 91.25% 8.10 07.46
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Players, Managers, Owners, Executives, Pioneers, Commissioners & Umpires 77.97% 8.63 06.73
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Managers 85.00% 8.21 06.98
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Boston Red Sox 87.18% 8.68 07.56
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame Detroit Tigers 86.36% 8.74 07.55
16 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame New York Yankees 83.72% 8.31 06.95
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame New York Yankees 100.00% 8.50 08.50
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hall of Fame St. Louis Cardinals 85.29% 8.53 07.28
39 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1909-11 T-206 White Border HOF Players 32.89% 7.79 02.28
22 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1933 Goudey HOF Players 29.69% 8.00 01.89
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1934 Goudey HOF Players 85.00% 7.92 06.47
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1940 Play Ball HOF Players 92.31% 7.91 07.08
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951 Bowman HOF Players 100.00% 8.00 08.00
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1959 Topps HOF Players 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Topps HOF Players 100.00% 8.21 08.21
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Pioneer Players Break the Color Barrier 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 50 Greatest Sluggers by the Sporting News 76.00% 7.89 06.12
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 300 Great Baseball Cards by Mike Payne 58.00% 8.13 04.71
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 500 Home Run Club 64.00% 8.10 04.59
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 3000th Hit Club 81.48% 7.61 05.72
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Bowman Umpires 100.00% 8.03 08.03
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1958 Topps All-Stars 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960s Topps World Series Cards 100.00% 8.20 08.20
13 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps All-Stars 100.00% 8.07 08.07
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.06 08.06
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1966 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.06 08.06
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.06 08.06
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1968 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1969 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.12 08.12
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1971 Gold Glove Award Winners 100.00% 8.24 08.24
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball All-Time Athletics 100.00% 8.04 08.04
16 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hank Aaron Basic Set 91.67% 8.02 07.65
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Allison Basic Set 91.67% 8.21 07.75
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Johnny Antonelli Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Luis Aparicio Basic Set 80.00% 8.06 07.14
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Richie Ashburn Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ernie Banks Basic Set 100.00% 8.03 08.03
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hank Bauer Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Yogi Berra Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball John Blanchard Basic Set 100.00% 8.13 08.13
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jim Bouton Basic Set 85.71% 8.00 04.80
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Cletis Boyer Basic Set 93.33% 8.08 07.90
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ken Boyer Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ralph Branca Basic Set 100.00% 7.80 07.80
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jim Bunning Basic Set 87.50% 8.26 07.96
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Smokey Burgess Basic Set 100.00% 8.09 08.09
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Roy Campanella Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Don Cardwell Basic Set 92.86% 8.50 08.27
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball Orlando Cepeda Basic Set 73.68% 8.11 06.93
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Cerv Basic Set 100.00% Retired on 5/6/2011
Rank 3
Weighted GPA 7.72
% Complete 100.00%
Set Rating 07.72
7.72 07.72
17 The Crandell Collection Baseball Roberto Clemente Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jim Coates Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball Rocky Colavito Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Rocky Colavito Master Set 28.72% 8.02 01.61
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jerry Coleman Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bud Daley Basic Set 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jim Davenport Basic Set 92.86% 8.34 07.88
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Larry Doby Basic Set 92.31% 8.00 06.82
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bobby Doerr Basic Set 87.50% 7.87 05.95
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball Don Drysdale Basic Set 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ryne Duren Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Luke Easter Basic Set 87.50% 7.50 05.77
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Del Ennis Basic Set 92.31% 7.87 06.95
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Cliff Fannin Basic Set 85.71% 8.10 04.05
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Feller Basic Set 78.57% 8.00 04.50
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Whitey Ford Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Nellie Fox Basic Set 100.00% 8.09 08.09
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Charles Gehringer Basic Set 60.00% 8.00 05.53
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Gibson Basic Set 88.89% 8.02 07.38
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Gibson Basic Topps Set 88.24% 8.02 07.24
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jim Gilliam Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Sid Gordon Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Dick Groat Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Harvey Haddix Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Woodie Held Basic Set 100.00% 8.40 08.40
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Gil Hodges Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Gil Hodges Master Set 45.45% 8.04 03.24
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Elston Howard Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Dick Howser Basic Set 100.00% 8.16 08.16
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Joe Jay Basic Set 100.00% 8.14 08.14
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball Al Kaline Basic Set 100.00% 7.96 07.96
16 The Crandell Collection Baseball Harmon Killebrew Basic Set 70.00% 8.00 06.58
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ted Kluszewski Basic Set 100.00% 7.93 07.93
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball Sandy Koufax Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Tony Kubek Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Lemon Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Phil Linz Basic Set 100.00% 8.07 08.07
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ed Lopat Basic Set 100.00% 8.08 08.08
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hector Lopez Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
12 The Crandell Collection Baseball Mickey Mantle Basic Set 100.00% 7.68 07.68
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball Mickey Mantle Master Set 34.62% 7.84 02.79
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Marty Marion Basic Set 100.00% 7.85 07.85
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball Roger Maris Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Billy Martin Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball J.C. Martin Basic Set 73.33% 8.16 05.24
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball Eddie Mathews Basic Set 95.00% 8.11 06.18
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball Willie Mays Basic Set 96.30% 8.07 07.85
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball Willie Mays Master Set 32.56% 8.08 02.68
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bill Mazeroski Basic Set 94.12% 8.10 07.74
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Mike McCormick Basic Set 80.00% 8.15 06.90
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Gil McDougald Basic Set 100.00% 7.91 07.91
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Minnie Minoso Basic Set 93.75% 8.00 07.87
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Wally Moon Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Stan Musial Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Irv Noren Basic Set 100.00% 7.57 07.57
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Joe Nuxhall Basic Set 93.75% 8.11 07.69
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Joe Page Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Camilo Pascual Basic Set 94.12% 8.07 07.93
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Camilo Pascual Basic Topps Set 87.50% 8.00 07.70
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Albie Pearson Basic Set 100.00% 8.16 08.16
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Johnny Pesky Basic Set 100.00% 7.02 07.02
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Johnny Podres Basic Set 100.00% 8.09 08.09
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Vic Raschi Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 07.73
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Pee Wee Reese Basic Set 100.00% 8.07 08.07
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hal Reniff Basic Set 100.00% 8.22 08.22
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Allie Reynolds Basic Set 100.00% 7.86 07.86
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bobby Richardson Basic Set 100.00% 8.31 08.31
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Phil Rizzuto Basic Set 93.33% 8.07 06.67
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Robin Roberts Basic Set 100.00% 8.09 08.09
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Frank Robinson Basic Set 100.00% 8.26 08.26
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Jackie Robinson Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Al Rosen Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Red Schoendienst Basic Set 94.44% 8.05 07.46
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Roland Sheldon Basic Set 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bill Skowron Basic Set 100.00% 8.11 08.11
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Enos Slaughter Basic Set 100.00% 7.79 07.79
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Duke Snider Basic Set 100.00% 8.07 08.07
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Warren Spahn Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bill Stafford Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Eddie Stanky Basic Set 87.50% 8.04 07.39
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ralph Terry Basic Set 100.00% 8.09 08.09
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Tom Tresh Basic Set 88.89% 8.04 07.74
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Virgil Trucks Master Set 85.71% 8.00 05.33
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Turley Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball Bob Uecker Basic Set 100.00% 8.16 08.16
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ramon Webster Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Hoyt Wilhelm Basic Set 87.50% 8.06 07.41
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ted Williams Basic Set 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball Ted Williams Master Set 74.45% 8.11 05.22
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Early Wynn Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball Gus Zernial Basic Set 100.00% 8.10 08.10
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Los Angeles Angels 100.00% 8.00 08.00
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps California Angels 100.00% 8.74 08.74
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Houston Astros 100.00% 8.75 08.75
5 The Crandell Collectiom Baseball 1967 Topps Houston Astros 96.55% 8.74 08.51
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Kansas City Athletics 100.00% 8.04 08.04
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps Kansas City Athletics 100.00% 8.18 08.18
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955-1964 Topps Decade of Athletics 98.85% 8.04 07.89
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Kansas City Athletics 100.00% 8.72 08.72
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Kansas City Athletics 100.00% 8.74 08.74
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Milwaukee Braves 100.00% 8.09 08.09
5 The Crandell Collectiom Baseball 1965 Topps Milwaukee Braves 100.00% 8.52 08.52
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Atlanta Braves 100.00% 8.48 08.48
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps St. Louis Cardinals 100.00% 8.20 08.20
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps St. Louis Cardinals 100.00% 8.66 08.66
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps St. Louis Cardinals 100.00% 8.38 08.38
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Chicago Cubs 100.00% 8.15 08.15
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Chicago Cubs 100.00% 8.47 08.47
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Chicago Cubs 100.00% 8.42 08.42
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1948-1957 A Decade of Dodgers 73.80% 7.96 05.87
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers 100.00% 8.16 08.16
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers 100.00% 8.64 08.64
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers 100.00% 8.74 08.74
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps San Francisco Giants 100.00% 8.75 08.75
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Cleveland Indians 100.00% 8.76 08.76
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Cleveland Indians 100.00% 8.50 08.50
12 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps New York Mets 100.00% 8.09 08.09
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps New York Mets 100.00% 8.87 08.87
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps New York Mets 100.00% 8.52 08.52
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Baltimore Orioles 100.00% 8.10 08.10
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps Baltimore Orioles 100.00% 8.17 08.17
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Baltimore Orioles 100.00% 8.54 08.54
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Baltimore Orioles 97.62% 8.35 08.12
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Philadelphia Phillies 100.00% 8.05 08.05
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Philadelphia Phillies 100.00% 8.77 08.77
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Philadelphia Phillies 94.59% 8.42 08.12
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Pittsburgh Pirates 100.00% 8.06 08.06
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps Pittsburgh Pirates 100.00% 8.14 08.14
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Pittsburgh Pirates 100.00% 8.57 08.57
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Pittsburgh Pirates 100.00% 8.43 08.43
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Cincinnati Reds 100.00% 8.24 08.24
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Cincinnati Reds 100.00% 8.69 08.69
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Cincinnati Reds 100.00% 8.38 08.38
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Boston Red Sox 100.00% 8.74 08.74
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Boston Red Sox 100.00% 8.33 08.33
2 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951-1960 Topps Decade of Senators 97.20% 8.01 07.45
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Washington Senators 100.00% 8.17 08.17
10 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1963 Topps Washington Senators 100.00% 8.11 08.11
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Washington Senators 100.00% 8.91 08.91
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Washington Senators 96.67% 8.61 08.42
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961-1971 Topps Decade of Senators 78.83% 8.29 06.26
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Detroit Tigers 100.00% 8.54 08.54
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Detroit Tigers 100.00% 8.37 08.37
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Minnesota Twins 100.00% 8.49 08.49
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Minnesota Twins 100.00% 8.58 08.58
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps Chicago White Sox 97.44% 8.10 07.82
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps Chicago White Sox 100.00% 8.66 08.66
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps Chicago White Sox 100.00% 8.60 08.60
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1948 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.00 08.00
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1950 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.03 08.03
7 The Crandell Collectiom Baseball 1951 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.00 08.00
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1951 Topps Red/Blue Back New York Yankees 100.00% 8.30 08.30
6 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1952 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.07 08.07
5 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.04 08.04
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1953 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 7.96 07.96
6 The Crandell Collecion Baseball 1954 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.00 08.00
7 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Bowman New York Yankees 100.00% 8.04 08.04
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1948-1955 Bowman New York Yankees 96.03% 8.03 07.66
5 The Crandell Collectiom Baseball 1955 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1955 Bowman/Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.03 08.03
9 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1956 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.07 08.07
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1957 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collecvtion Baseball 1951-1959 Topps Decade of Yankees 94.17% 7.96 07.28
3 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960 Leaf New York Yankees 100.00% 8.71 08.71
14 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1961 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.03 08.03
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1962 Topps New York Yankees 98.39% 8.02 07.84
8 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1965 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.32 08.32
11 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1967 Topps New York Yankees 100.00% 8.43 08.43
4 The Crandell Collection Baseball 1960-1969 Topps Decade of Yankees 98.94% 8.10 07.99
4 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1948 Bowman 100.00% 8.05 08.05
2 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1957-58 Topps 100.00% 8.02 08.02
8 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1961 Hawks Essex Meats 100.00% 8.05 08.05
13 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1961-62 Fleer 100.00% 8.10 08.10
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1968-69 Jack in the Box San Diego Rockets 100.00% 9.07 09.07
12 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1969-70 Topps 100.00% 8.04 08.04
19 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1970-71 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.03 08.03
10 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1971-72 Topps 100.00% 8.53 08.53
8 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1971-72 Topps Trios 100.00% 8.11 08.11
9 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1972-73 Icee Bear 100.00% 9.19 09.19
20 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1972-73 Topps 78.79% 8.43 06.70
11 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1973-74 Topps 96.97% 8.38 08.00
33 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1976-77 Topps 100.00% 8.13 08.13
2 The Crandell Collection Basketball The Big Three 100.00% 9.58 09.58
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball Hall of Fame Players 54.36% 8.33 04.53
2 The Crandell Collection Basketball Hall of Fame Rookies 83.17% 8.07 07.51
3 The Crandell Collection Basketball 1971 Topps HOF 100.00% 8.56 08.56
2 The Crandell Collection Basketball All-Time NBA Centers 95.24% 8.07 07.93
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball All-Time NBA Forwards 78.57% 8.04 07.37
4 The Crandell Collection Basketball All-Time NBA Guards 85.19% 8.12 07.58
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball All-Time Celtics 85.00% 8.00 07.32
3 The Crandell Collection Basketball All-Time Lakers 81.82% 7.94 07.30
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball Bill Bradley Basic Set 75.00% 8.28 07.02
2 The Crandell Collection Basketball Joe Caldwell Basic Set 83.33% 8.14 07.60
6 The Crandell Collection Basketball Wilt Chamberlain Basic Set 100.00% 8.08 08.08
4 The Crandell Collection Basketball Bob Cousy Master Set 75.00% 8.00 05.91
6 The Crandell Collection Basketball Dave Debusschere Basic Set 100.00% 8.08 08.08
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball Jerry Lucas Basic Set 100.00% 8.13 08.13
4 The Crandell Collection Basketball Willis Reed Basic Set 100.00% 8.17 08.17
6 The Crandell Collection Basketball Oscar Robertson Basic Set 85.71% 8.31 07.76
7 The Crandell Collection Basketball Jerry West Basic Set 85.71% 8.05 07.65
7 The Crandell Collection Basketball ABA Top 30 Rookies 86.67% 8.33 07.75
5 The Crandell Collection Basketball NBA Top 50 Rookies 97.96% 8.07 08.01
40 The Crandell Collection Football 1935 National Chicle 33.33% 7.95 01.89
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1948 Bowman 99.07% 8.02 07.98
29 The Crandell Collection Football 1948 Leaf - Basic 21.43% 7.28 01.00
20 The Crandell Collection Football 1949 Leaf 32.65% 8.16 02.40
9 The Crandell Collection Football 1950 Bowman 100.00% 8.01 08.01
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1951 Bowman 100.00% 8.03 08.03
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1951 Topps Magic - Basic 100.00% Retired on 8/4/2010
Rank 1
Weighted GPA 7.21
% Complete 100.00%
Set Rating 07.21
7.21 07.21
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1951 Topps Magic Unrubbed 100.00% 7.21 07.21
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Large 100.00% 7.88 07.88
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Small 98.61% 8.01 07.89
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1953 Bowman 100.00% 8.01 08.01
9 The Crandell Collection Football 1954 Bowman 100.00% 8.11 08.11
9 The Crandell Collection Football 1955 Bowman 100.00% 8.06 08.06
20 The Crandell Collection Football 1955 Topps All-American - Basic 100.00% 8.06 08.06
11 The Crandell Collection Football 1956 Topps - Basic 100.00% 8.11 08.11
14 The Crandell Collection Football 1957 Topps - Basic 99.35% 8.01 07.71
12 The Crandell Collection Football 1958 Topps 99.25% 8.02 07.98
9 The Crandell Collection Football 1958 Topps CFL 11.36% 8.00 01.01
15 The Crandell Collection Football 1959 Topps 100.00% 8.11 08.11
5 The Crandell Collection Football 1959 Topps CFL 10.23% 8.00 00.85
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Cardinals Mayrose Franks 100.00% 10.00 10.00
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Fleer 100.00% 8.04 08.04
5 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Fleer College Pennant Decals 63.16% 7.83 05.13
12 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Topps 100.00% 8.02 08.02
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Topps CFL 35.23% 7.44 02.71
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1960 Topps Metallic Sticker Inserts 18.18% 7.18 01.21
8 Davalillo Football 1961 Fleer 100.00% Retired on 7/8/2010
Rank 8
Weighted GPA 8.17
% Complete 100.00%
Set Rating 08.17
8.17 08.17
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Fleer Magic Message Blue Inserts 17.50% 8.14 01.43
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Fleer Wallet Pictures Hand Cut 20.00% 9.00 01.80
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Nu-Card 100.00% 9.88 09.88
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Nu-Card Pennants 1.12% 8.67 00.10
8 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Packers Lake to Lake 100.00% 6.24 06.24
15 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Topps 100.00% 8.06 08.06
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1961 Topps Stickers - Basic 29.17% 7.00 02.23
8 The Crandell Collection Football 1962 Fleer 100.00% 8.01 08.01
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1962 Kahns Weiners 100.00% 8.35 08.35
8 The Crandell Collection Football 1962 Topps 99.43% 7.93 07.89
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1962 Topps CFL 2.96% 8.00 00.21
5 The Crandell Collection Football 1962-63 Salada Coins 96.10% 8.63 08.06
11 The Crandell Collection Football 1963 Fleer 100.00% 8.09 08.09
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1963 Stancraft Playing Cards 100.00% 10.00 10.00
7 The Crandell Collection Football 1963 Topps 100.00% 8.03 08.03
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1963 Topps CFL 100.00% 8.10 08.10
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1964 Kahns Weiners 100.00% 8.41 08.41
10 The Crandell Collection Football 1964 Philadelphia 100.00% 8.27 08.27
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1964 Topps 100.00% 8.02 08.02
7 The Crandell Collection Football 1964 Topps CFL 32.95% 8.08 02.64
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1964 Wheaties Stamps 74.32% 8.63 06.56
7 The Crandell Collection Football 1965 Philadelphia 100.00% 8.15 08.15
10 The Crandell Collection Football 1965 Topps 99.43% 7.87 07.83
6 The Crandell Collection Football 1965 Topps CFL 21.97% 8.06 01.71
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1965 Topps Magic Rub-Offs 19.44% 8.10 01.65
11 The Crandell Collection Football 1966 Philadelphia 83.33% 7.99 06.67
16 The Crandell Collection Football 1966 Topps 99.24% 7.97 07.54
13 The Crandell Collection Football 1966 Topps Funny Rings 16.67% 8.00 01.33
11 The Crandell Collection Football 1967 Philadelphia 88.89% 8.09 07.10
10 The Crandell Collection Football 1967 Topps 100.00% 8.18 08.18
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1968 Steelers KDKA 100.00% 7.47 07.47
10 The Crandell Collection Football 1968 Topps 99.55% 8.11 08.07
26 The Crandell Collection Football 1968 Topps Stand Up 18.18% 8.00 01.11
9 The Crandell Collection Football 1968 Topps Test Teams 100.00% 3.56 03.56
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1969 Glendale Stamps 2.88% 8.22 00.24
14 The Crandell Collection Football 1969 Topps 100.00% 8.17 08.17
5 The Crandell Collection Football 1969 Topps Four in One 100.00% 8.06 08.06
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1969 Tresler Comet Bengals 100.00% 8.23 08.23
6 The Crandell Collection Football 1970 Topps 100.00% 8.33 08.33
32 The Crandell Collection Football 1976 Wonder Bread 100.00% 8.21 08.21
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Large and Small 99.31% 8.40 08.34
20 The Crandell Collection Football Pro Football Hall of Fame Rookie Players 73.11% 7.96 06.05
7 The Crandell Collection Football Pro Football Hall of Fame Cleveland Browns 93.33% 8.04 07.88
2 The Crandell Collection Football Pro Football Hall of Fame Indianapolis Colts 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Football AFL - Top 50 Players 100.00% 7.95 07.95
2 The Crandell Collection Football All-American Football Conference All-Stars 100.00% 8.00 08.00
17 The Crandell Collection Football All-Time Great Quarterbacks 79.31% 7.99 05.45
11 The Crandell Collection Football 1950s NFL First Team of the Decade 91.30% 8.00 06.43
7 The Crandell Collection Football 1960s NFL First Team of the Decade 100.00% 8.03 08.03
1 The Crandell Collection Football Jon Arnett Basic Set 100.00% 8.15 08.15
1 The Crandell Collection Football Sammy Baugh Basic Set 85.71% 8.00 06.72
2 The Crandell Collection Football Chuck Bednarik Basic Set 86.67% 8.00 05.11
1 The Crandell Collection Football Bill Brown Basic Set 88.89% 8.00 07.71
7 The Crandell Collection Football Jim Brown Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
1 The Crandell Collection Football Roosevelt Brown Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football Roosevelt Brown Master Set 91.67% 8.04 07.76
2 The Crandell Collection Football Billy Cannon Basic Set 100.00% 8.17 08.17
2 The Crandell Collection Football Gino Cappelletti Master Set 91.67% 8.03 07.41
2 The Crandell Collection Football Charley Conerly Master Set 88.89% 8.04 05.94
2 The Crandell Collection Football George Conner Basic Set 85.71% 8.00 05.71
2 The Crandell Collection Football Ben Davidson Basic Set 100.00% 8.08 08.08
1 The Crandell Collection Football Bob Dee Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Football Bob Dee Master Set 90.00% 8.04 07.76
3 The Crandell Collection Football Mike Ditka Basic Set 85.71% 8.30 07.55
1 The Crandell Collection Football Art Donovan Master Set 87.50% 8.07 07.71
3 The Crandell Collection Football Boyd Dowler Basic Set 87.50% 8.00 07.08
1 The Crandell Collection Football Tom Fears Basic Set 100.00% 8.11 08.11
2 The Crandell Collection Football Bill Forester Basic Set 100.00% 8.27 08.27
1 The Crandell Collection Football Frank Gifford Basic Set 100.00% 8.02 08.02
2 The Crandell Collection Football Otto Graham Master Set 70.00% 8.13 06.70
3 The Crandell Collection Football Forrest Gregg Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football Lou Groza Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
5 The Crandell Collection Football Paul Hornung Basic Set 88.89% 8.00 07.36
1 The Crandell Collection Football John Henry Johnson Basic Set 100.00% 8.03 08.03
4 The Crandell Collection Football Henry Jordan Basic Set 100.00% 8.04 08.04
4 The Crandell Collection Football Sonny Jurgensen Basic Set 84.62% 8.18 07.69
2 The Crandell Collection Football Jack Kemp Basic Set 100.00% 8.05 08.05
2 The Crandell Collection Football Dick Lane Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football Dante Lavelli Master Set 85.71% 8.00 06.33
2 The Crandell Collection Football Bobby Layne Master Set 66.67% 8.05 04.20
2 The Crandell Collection Football Don Maynard Basic Set 84.62% 8.11 07.79
1 The Crandell Collection Football Hugh McElhenny Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Football Max McGee Basic Set 100.00% 7.63 07.63
2 The Crandell Collection Football Ron Mix Basic Set 100.00% 8.19 08.19
2 The Crandell Collection Football Lenny Moore Basic Set 100.00% 7.90 07.90
2 The Crandell Collection Football Marion Motley Master Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football Joe Perry Basic Set 100.00% 7.96 07.96
1 The Crandell Collection Football Joe Perry Master Set 92.86% 8.00 06.94
1 The Crandell Collection Football Pete Pihos Basic Set 90.00% 8.00 06.72
2 The Crandell Collection Football Jim Ringo Basic Set 100.00% 8.03 08.03
1 The Crandell Collection Football Johnny Robinson Basic Set 88.89% 8.20 07.99
7 The Crandell Collection Football Bart Starr Basic Set 93.75% 8.00 07.76
1 The Crandell Collection Football Ernie Stautner Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Football Jim Taylor Basic Set 100.00% 8.11 08.11
1 The Crandell Collection Football Y.A. Tittle Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football Emlen Tunnel Basic Set 100.00% 8.15 08.15
1 The Crandell Collection Football Emlen Tunnel Master Set 100.00% 8.06 08.06
5 The Crandell Collection Football Johnny Unitas Basic Set 84.21% 7.96 07.21
1 The Crandell Collection Football Norm Van Brocklin Master Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Football Willie Wood Basic Set 87.50% 8.13 07.80
1 The Crandell Collection Football Sid Youngelman Basic Set 100.00% 8.00 08.00
4 The Crandell Collection Football 1948 Bowman Chicago Bears 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1960-1969 Decade of Bills 100.00% 8.06 08.06
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1956 Topps Philadelphia Eagles 100.00% 8.14 08.14
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1955 Bowman New York Giants 100.00% 8.04 08.04
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Small Green Bay Packers 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1955 Bowman Green Bay Packers 100.00% 8.06 08.06
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1950-1959 Decade of Packers 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1960-1969 Decade of Packers 96.64% 8.03 07.79
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1951 Bowman Los Angeles Rams 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1957 Topps Los Angeles Rams 100.00% 8.00 08.00
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1951 Bowman Washington Redskins 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Large Washington Redskins 100.00% 7.70 07.70
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1952 Bowman Small Washington Redskins 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1953 Bowman Washington Redskins 100.00% 8.00 08.00
1 The Crandell Collection Football 1956 Topps Washington Redskins 100.00% 8.13 08.13
3 The Crandell Collection Football 1957 Topps Washington Redskins 100.00% 8.00 08.00
2 The Crandell Collection Football 1956 Topps Pittsburgh Steelers 100.00% 8.54 08.54
2 The Crandell Collction Football 1957 Topps Pittsburgh Steelers 100.00% 8.00 08.00
6 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1953-54 Parkhurst - Basic 100.00% 7.16 07.16
19 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1957-58 Topps 63.64% 7.58 04.57
16 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1959-60 Topps 75.76% 7.10 05.69
7 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1960-61 Topps 96.97% 7.85 07.74
22 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1961-62 Topps 51.52% 7.54 03.56
22 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1962-63 Parkhurst 100.00% 8.21 08.21
10 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1962-63 Topps 100.00% 8.05 08.05
15 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1963-64 Parkhurst 100.00% 8.09 08.09
23 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1963-64 Topps 84.85% 6.95 06.15
9 The Crandell Collection Hockey 1965-66 Topps 93.75% 7.70 07.33
36 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1938 W.A. & A.C. Churchman Boxing Personalities 100.00% 6.21 06.21
9 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1948 Leaf Boxing - Basic 98.00% 6.35 05.40
5 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1948 Leaf Boxing - Master 90.74% 6.35 05.06
8 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1933 Goudey Sport Kings 100.00% 8.07 08.07
2 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1936 Gallaher Sporting Personalities 100.00% 7.73 07.73
15 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports 1954 Quaker Sports Oddities 100.00% 9.33 09.33
6 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports Top 20 Sportscards in the Hobby 45.00% 7.57 02.00
5 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports Top 200 Sportscards in the Hobby 69.50% 8.00 05.56
4 The Crandell Collection Misc Sports Top 250 Sportscards in the Hobby 60.80% 7.94 04.00
7 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1925 Rothman's Cinema Stars 96.00% 6.58 06.32
2 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1934 Ardath Tobacco Famous Film Stars 18.00% 7.17 01.29
5 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1934 Carreras Ltd. Film Stars 100.00% 9.04 09.04
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1935 C. & T. Bridgewater Ltd. Film Stars 4th Series 100.00% 9.64 09.64
3 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1935 Gallaher Ltd. Film Partners 100.00% 8.18 08.18
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1935 Gallaher Ltd. Portraits of Famous Stars 100.00% 6.61 06.61
5 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1935 Gallaher Ltd. Shots from Famous Films 25.00% 8.00 02.00
5 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1935 Gallaher Ltd. Stars of Screen and Stage 100.00% 7.98 07.98
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1936 Gallaher Ltd. Film Episodes 100.00% 8.54 08.54
3 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1936 R & J Hill Ltd. Cinema Celebrities 71.43% 8.30 05.93
3 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1938 Ogdens Actors Natural and Character Studies 100.00% 9.03 09.03
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1939 British American Tobacco Co. Grace and Beauty 100.00% 7.40 07.40
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1939 C. & T. Bridgewater Film Stars 7th Series 75.00% 9.19 06.90
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1939 Gallaher My Favourite Part 100.00% 8.91 08.91
2 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1939 Mitchell and Son Stars of Screen and History 100.00% 8.40 08.40
6 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1945 Mutoscope Artist Pin Up - Basic 100.00% 8.66 08.66
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1952 Dixie Cup Nelsons Ice Cream 100.00% 9.21 09.21
8 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1955 Barbers Tea Ltd. Cinema & TV Stars 100.00% 8.98 08.98
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1955 Movie Stars of M.G.M. 100.00% 9.50 09.50
7 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1956 Topps U.S. Presidents 100.00% 8.06 08.06
3 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1957 C.W.S. Western Stars 100.00% 9.33 09.33
3 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1957 Topps Hit Stars 100.00% 8.22 08.22
5 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1957 Topps Isolation Booth 11.36% 8.10 00.92
5 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1957 Topps Target Moon 100.00% 8.06 08.06
8 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1958 Topps TV Westerns 100.00% 8.08 08.08
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1959 Kane Products Ltd. Disc Stars 100.00% 8.43 08.43
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1959 Nu-Cards Rock and Roll Stars 75.00% 8.59 06.45
9 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1960 Fleer Spins and Needles 100.00% 8.10 08.10
1 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1961 Domino Cigarettes Figures Historiques 100.00% 9.44 09.44
6 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1961 Topps Sports Cars 13.64% 8.22 01.12
2 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1962 Barratt & Co. Warriors through the Ages 100.00% 9.24 09.24
27 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1962 Topps Civil War News 100.00% 8.18 08.18
2 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1963 Barratt & Co. Ltd. The Wild West 100.00% 9.52 09.52
13 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1965 Fleer McHales Navy 93.94% 9.02 08.47
7 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1966 Leaf Good Guys and Bad Guys 100.00% 8.27 08.27
4 The Crandell Collection Non-Sports 1967 Topps Who Am I? 100.00% 8.11 08.11


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[Davalillo]

Jay,

Thanks for posting the first 20% :)

I post pictures of some of my cards on my blog occasionally as well.

http://musicandsportscard.blogspot.com

Jim

[novakjr]

Jay,

Thanks for posting the first 20% :)

I post pictures of some of my cards on my blog occasionally as well.

http://musicandsportscard.blogspot.com

Jim

Holy Crap....Great collection...For some reason the 1973 Topps '53 Reprints stand out to me. I guess I'm just a fan of obscurity. Awesome little set..

[slidekellyslide]

Barry agree 100%

However in this case folks like Seth came out swinging first and the shot about kicking the bucket was a bit much IMO.

If Bruce is really sick kind of not cool.

Cheers,

John

Kind of hypocritical to complain about it when he wished to read my obituary a couple of years back...the only reason I gave him a "yes" vote was sympathy for him...I don't know how ill he is/was, but it sounded like he had some major issues and I thought perhaps Net54 would be good therapy, but he just can't seem to shake the elitist attitude that initiates the flame wars. And for a guy who loves to talk about the empires and collection that he's built you'd think he could spring for a scanner or digital camera and show us something once in a while instead of constantly reminding us how "elite" it is.

[benchod]

+1
I would like to see Bruce share images of some of his favorite items

[Kawika]

An amazing collection that's still growing.


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[vintagecpa]

That is one impressive collection. I would be curious what Jim's favorite card is? There must be one?

[Davalillo]

Mike,

Favorites(Top 5)

1888 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson psa 8
1888 Allen & Ginter King Kelly psa 8
1909 T204 Ramly Wee Willie Keeler psa 8
1933 Goudey Sports Kings Ty Cobb psa 8.5
1955 Topps Sandy Koufax psa 8

But its like asking which of your children you love the most. I love them all and its hard for me to imagine ever parting with them.

Jim

[wonkaticket]

Kind of hypocritical to complain about it when he wished to read my obituary a couple of years back...the only reason I gave him a "yes" vote was sympathy for him...I don't know how ill he is/was, but it sounded like he had some major issues and I thought perhaps Net54 would be good therapy, but he just can't seem to shake the elitist attitude that initiates the flame wars. And for a guy who loves to talk about the empires and collection that he's built you'd think he could spring for a scanner or digital camera and show us something once in a while instead of constantly reminding us how "elite" it is.

Dan totally agree Bruce can be a rough individual to deal with, he comes off way over the top. Bruce has also said some pretty amazing stuff that are serious WTF moments. Heck I also got threatened to be sued back in the day too. LOL :D

I hear you about hypocrisy Dan but let’s also talk about naivety for a moment.

You guys Leon and you both gave Bruce the boot awhile back for these very things you and others here complain about. Yet Bruce has been Bruce and will always be Bruce but you let him come back Dan.

Then you act all shocked or ticked off that he’s back in the mix with elitist comments and social economic baseball card speculative whale watching threads. :rolleyes:

This train wreck as well as any others here that are sure to come from Bruce is as much on the mods hands as any members.

Let’s face it you know these guys are going to take shots at Bruce and you know Bruce is going to shoot back and as Barry says….here we go again….

Just my two cents here; I get my chops busted when I have disagreements with board members who are willingly messing with known hobby information and passing on bogus hobby information to our members all of which is on topic BTW and get told to play nice.

However letting a guy back in who both of you darn well know has history of having knock down drag outs that have very little to do with the original post well is exactly what you mentioned hypocritical.

Dan the only thing that is more hypocritical than Bruce crying foul over nasty comments Dan, is moderators who let him back in at some point rolling into a thread after letting him back knowing who Bruce is and saying “come on guys back on topic, and play nice.” :)

On a plus side his threads do get some view counts and posts….al of which is why Bruce lights everyone’s fires and pushes everyone’s buttons IMO.

Cheers,

John

[Delray Vintage]

I liked Bruce's post and being relatvely new here do not know of any of the feuds on this board. I have collected for 20 years and decided the last few to focus more on investing. I do not sell, instead deciding to buy, enjoy, and hold the quality cards in my collection/portfolio.

My collection will likely be passed on to my kids so my future grandchildren can enjoy them. That being said I still want them to be a good investment. To be a good investment I need enough of those high end collectors to be around in 50 years.

So Bruce's numbers on high end collectors were valuable to me.

[Gradedcardman]

I had a comment...what was this post about again ?? Oh yea, education !!

[Leon]

Hey John
Just so you know us moderators don't always agree on everything. It's not like we share a brain. I think I can speak for myself but next time I am looking for someone to speak for me I will give you a call. I never wanted to really ban Bruce in the first place and had he not already been on probation (not double secret, just regular) last time he screwed up he wouldn't have been banned at all. Bruce makes his own bed and that is the reason I don't say too much in his threads, pertaining to personal attacks and stuff. I am sure you will have about a 3 paragraph long sentence as a reply so type away :). happy collecting ... regards

[mcadams]

Yawn...

[wonkaticket]

Bruce makes his own bed and that is the reason I don't say too much in his threads, pertaining to personal attacks and stuff. I am sure you will have about a 3 paragraph long sentence as a reply so type away :). happy collecting ... regards

Classic, way to stick to those no personal attack rules. I did enjoy the term double secret probation though funny stuff. :D

Leon happy collecting to you as well.

Cheers,

John

[aljurgela]

I did not find anything about the original post offensive.... I guess when you are relatively new here, we do not have the context to read tone (I don't at least)... but I thought that the idea was interesting and the math was backed by some level of analysis, which I appreciate.

When the personal attacks started, I felt uncomfortable... especially as I went to BOTH BC and UPENN. Not the type of references I want people to have of type of people that go to the schools that represent me.

I am not sure why people get so upset when they disagree. Just not a big deal. Best advice.... take the high road, my friends.

[Leon]

John- You know I luv ya' man....just please don't make statements about "moderators" unless you know how we all feel. If you and Dan bicker a little over Brucii, not a big deal. We will all get over it. I was minding my own business and feel like you sort of pulled me into a dispute I didn't want to be in...no big deal.....and you are welcome to use my little periods like I do too........and I will use some of your run-on sentences :).

..First AND second beer on me at the National...take it easy

[jcmtiger]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[benjulmag]

I'm glad Bruce is back. His threads are among the most informative and thought provoking on this board and, at the end of the day, those threads generate applicable and useful information/discussion, which is arguably the prime purpose of this board. Yes he can be provocative. But we are all big boys/girls here, and I think that is a fair tradeoff for what he adds to our hobby knowledge.

[slidekellyslide]

Dan totally agree Bruce can be a rough individual to deal with, he comes off way over the top. Bruce has also said some pretty amazing stuff that are serious WTF moments. Heck I also got threatened to be sued back in the day too. LOL :D

I hear you about hypocrisy Dan but let’s also talk about naivety for a moment.

You guys Leon and you both gave Bruce the boot awhile back for these very things you and others here complain about. Yet Bruce has been Bruce and will always be Bruce but you let him come back Dan.

Then you act all shocked or ticked off that he’s back in the mix with elitist comments and social economic baseball card speculative whale watching threads. :rolleyes:

This train wreck as well as any others here that are sure to come from Bruce is as much on the mods hands as any members.

Let’s face it you know these guys are going to take shots at Bruce and you know Bruce is going to shoot back and as Barry says….here we go again….

Just my two cents here; I get my chops busted when I have disagreements with board members who are willingly messing with known hobby information and passing on bogus hobby information to our members all of which is on topic BTW and get told to play nice.

However letting a guy back in who both of you darn well know has history of having knock down drag outs that have very little to do with the original post well is exactly what you mentioned hypocritical.

Dan the only thing that is more hypocritical than Bruce crying foul over nasty comments Dan, is moderators who let him back in at some point rolling into a thread after letting him back knowing who Bruce is and saying “come on guys back on topic, and play nice.” :)

On a plus side his threads do get some view counts and posts….al of which is why Bruce lights everyone’s fires and pushes everyone’s buttons IMO.

Cheers,

John

As someone who watched his father die from cancer call me a softy for someone who I thought was very ill and could benefit from participating in Net54...if that makes me a hypocrite so be it.

[Ejm1]

Let's all be friends and make nice,Bruce can mingle with his own species. This will be difficult since Howard Hughes, Leona Helmsley and Aristotle Onassis are dead but I'm sure he has lots of other friends than us peasant lower 90% collectors.

[Yankeefan51]

We find it remarkable that so many who don't care about what we say care to comment.

Even more remarkable are those who want to legislate their own rules. We responded to a comment about death- and responded to a question very few of you would have the guts to answer honestly.

John's sarcastic comments and cartoons are accepted as fair play, but if one does not agree with John or appears to be elitist then it presents a problem.
Tell us John, are you, in fact, not the owner of a substantial collection, what kind of car do you drive, and do you give more than 20% of your income to the poor? We think not

The Board is a great source for information, but to deny the hobby is still a business, and there is rarely an article, a trade magazine and certainly auction that does focus on value.

We have as much right to our elitist views as you do to be a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, a Red Sox fan, a Rockies fan, a born again Christian, a Muslim a Jew or a transvestite.

Whilst we greatly appreciate the overwhelming support that we have received on the Board and privately, we do wonder why some pretty advanced collectors fear controversy and change.

Remember the famous quote " I am all for progress, it is just that I am against."

We are for change and discussion. That is only way we learn from one another.


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[wonkaticket]

Bruce,

I think you are missing something here? If anything I was defending you Bruce. :confused:

I thought the shots about you kicking the bucket. As well as the comments about you disappearing from the face of the earth with nobody missing you or knowing you were here were way below the belt. I also find it odd that Dan’s last comment was to bring you back as form of therapy or help for you. If by therapy Dan means as a moderator to allow folks to take personal nasty pot shots at you because you "deserve it"…then therapy it is I guess. Perhaps tough love?

Now you come in here spouting if I give to the poor or what kind of car I drive….really? Bruce I’m not going to waste my time telling you about my finances or justify how they are positioned. Nor is it any of your business, carry on with your assumptions.

As for my collection the only reason you or anyone is aware of anything regarding my collection. Is I have spent years here sharing just a fraction of my collection. Which now in many ways I regret and will refrain from doing in the future on Net54 as it’s clearly not appreciated.

Bruce I wish you continued enjoyment with your window watching of successful people. Don’t let little ol’ me stand in the way of talking about important collectors and their spending habits.

Cheers,

John

[T206DK]

Seriously regretting my "Yes" vote in allowing you to return to the board. :(

I am with you and I didn't vote ( at least not that I remember) I am disappointed this pompous tuit was allowed back on here....BUZZKILL

[CW]

As for my collection the only reason you or anyone is aware of anything regarding my collection. Is I have spent years here sharing just a fraction of my collection. Which now in many ways I regret and will refrain from doing in the future on Net54 as it’s clearly not appreciated.

Hold it just a minute there! :) I realize I'm not a long-standing member here with a 1K+ post count, but I think I speak for the GREAT majority here when I say the sharing of card scans is always appreciated. It's why I come here -- to see scans of cards, read about the excitement my fellow collector has in obtaining a card, and learn new things about sets I might never collect.

I appreciate that the high end collector exists, and I wouldn't question their knowledge or importance within the hobby. I would, however, rather have a forum with 1,000 collectors on a $5K per year budget who share scans of every cool card they pick up, than a forum of 100 elite collectors who keep most of their collections and knowledge to themselves.

[David Atkatz]

The numbers appear to be reasonable.

The "numbers" are totally arbitrary, and absolutely meaningless. Made up of whole cloth, they represent nothing more than Bruce's snobbish biases.

[Yankeefan51]

David

We certainly would like to see your numbers- you are quick to accuse, but never offer anything but sarcastic comments.

We suppose that the next thing that you are going to state is that President Obama's economic policies are well received by the American public.

We certainly did not publish these numbers randomly. Furthermore, we see nothing wrong with talking about the high end of the market. You, yourself own a plethora of high-end Yankee material..

The question raised about items that appear in multiple auctions or items that are not really sold, despite the auction house stating to the contrary, is one we do not believe anyone can answer.

Our conclusion is that the large baseball auction house market is about $100M (re-sales and false sales aside) 15% of the value comes from items selling in $5000+ range. Our best estimate was there are 200 collectors who spend $25,000 or more 50 collectors who spend $100,000 or more and 5-7 collectors who spend a million dollars or more. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hope you are well.

Bruce

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would think, although it's just speculation, that there is a very significant volume of private transactions at the high end that aren't reflected in auction house sales. Certainly there is incentive to avoid the premiums and sell directly. If this is true, then perhaps there are more collectors in Bruce's categories than his numbers reflect.

[T206Collector]

I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with discussing the numbers, whether it be how many $1 million collections are out there, or how many T206 beater collectors there are out there.

It is all about the TONE AND INTENT of the question: If meaningful dialogue on this point was actually the INTENT of the question, then it should not be written in such a TONE.

Whether or not someone can tolerate the tone to get at the true intent of the question is entirely besides the point. The questions themselves would be sufficiently provocative without all the atmospherics surrounding them.

While I enjoy reading the train wreck as much as anybody, these posts always devolve into pure drivel.

Bruce could stand to take a page out of the Jim Crandall playbook. Crandall's collection is now getting the attention and merit that it so rightfully deserves. Crandall has an open door policy, and will invite people over to see his collection. And he has shed all of the drama of his earlier posts.

[tcdyess]

OK, I am a nobody on this board, just trying to gain knowledge and delve deeper into what I consider an amazing hobby that I can enjoy for the rest of my life. I spend between $5 and $10k annually and am beginning to get the basis of a decent collection going. I come to this board for insight, opinions, updates, scans, and oh yeah, FUN!! I don't care who says what, I am a big boy and can filter out and make my own decisions. As long as people aren't defaming others (which I have seen on this board) all comments and ideas should be allowed. If you don't like what is said, ignore it and move on. This place reminds me of many high level management meetings I attend where egos get in the way of progress and personalities distort the facts. This is not the end all people, we are talking baseball cards here. People's health and family should never be targets, stick to the topics..... just 2 cents from a newbie who would like to be here a long time......

Tim

[smtjoy]

I think Bruce adds a lot to the board as his threads are imo some of the best. I for one can ignore his tone and other stuff and if others did the same we would not have the issues we do when he post, granted it would be nice if Bruce would also ignored their replies too. I do find it funny how others cant wait to attack his every post, reminds me of some of the MMORPG gaming forums I am on with 15 years old boys going back and forth, can be quite entertaining on its own, lol. I am glad he was allowed back but like others said it would be nice to see some more of his collection, I think his Boston Garter display is an amazing card.

And John please keep on posting scans of your amazing collection, I wish more folks would do the same.

[Yankeefan51]

Dear T 206 Collector

The tone of our original post was purely factual. Once a few "wise guys" began a discussion about our possible demise, we responded accordingly.

As for an open door policy, we have invited a small selected group of collectors and dealers (less than a dozen in 35 years) to view our collection.

Whether or not one shares pick ups or photos is a private decision. For a plethora of reasons, there are countless items that are part of our collection which heretofore have never been seen. Until our catalog is completed it will stay that way.

We are always available to share knowledge and respond privately to a 12+ questions a week about cards- always in a friendly tone.

We appreciate your comments and wish you the best.


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[T206.org]

As for my collection the only reason you or anyone is aware of anything regarding my collection. Is I have spent years here sharing just a fraction of my collection. Which now in many ways I regret and will refrain from doing in the future on Net54 as it’s clearly not appreciated.

I very much appreciate seeing whatever items you decide to share from your collection. Please don't refrain from posting in the future.

[Wite3]

I have no problem with the original post but there are some problems with the tone and attitude that comes after.

The original post might be close but an educated "guess" is still a "guess." I also see that it does not allow for the auction houses that spend money on items to sell at a later date. I think your number might be a little inflated as Scott has said but not wildly off. I do think that as people come to the hobby and leave the hobby, the high end will be just that. Top percentage of all total collectors, precise number does not really matter.

As to Bruce himself, he is a total ass. In the past the threats, disgusting remarks about my profession and family, the awful language, and the attitude were just unbearable. No apology ever given to me or others. No sign of regret. Nothing. And all I did to deserve this? I asked Bruce why an obviously intelligent man would refer to himself in the third person?

Ask Bruce why he give money to the poor? He has said many times that the poor are "scum" and don't deserve charity. He does it as a tax break, pure and simple. Just an example of the type of guy he is.

And Bruce, the level of education and where you went to school have nothing to do with being a classy, educated, and intelligent member of society. It has to do with geography. As many people can point out, it is what you put into your education and how you approach it as opposed to what grades you got and where you went. Obviously you put effort to get where you are, lots of academic effort. If you put even a fourth of that towards becoming a better person, learning some tact, and being thankful for what you have been given you might be even more successful (yes, given...I am far more impressed with the kid that went to a junior college, started his own business, and worked it up into a successful and happy enterprise than someone who took other people's money and made more money...nothing into something trumps (pun intended) something into more something in my book).

Joshua Levine

[jmoran19]

"We have as much right to our elitist views as you do to be a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, a Red Sox fan, a Rockies fan, a born again Christian, a Muslim a Jew or a transvestite.

That's it, gloves are off now. Candy Denver Colorado

[Yankeefan51]

Whilst we have no need to respond to your child-like remarks, and you are free to call anybody anything you want, we do wonder when you were able to acquire our tax records.

We believe you are liable to purge yourself (if you know what that means)
with your allegations about tax deductions.

Should we decide to collect assholes in the future, we will be sure to add an autographed photo of yours to our collection.

As you will note, we have not threatened our attacked anyone, and unlike your emotionally immature comments, we have neither provided an opinion about character or called anyone by an insulting name.

Enjoy your day. Happy Collecting.

[Gradedcardman]

Leon,

Enough is enough isn't it ?? Weren't we just talking about the enjoyment of the hobby ? This is ridiculous !! This is like negotiating with an ex-wife, no winning.

The real answer is of course, and someone will point this out to me, stop reading the post. Thanks, you are correct.

[tcdyess]

Wow, I will never again waste my time trying to appeal to level heads...

Party on boys.....

[Orioles1954]

Bruce,

Are you going to the National this year? Any big ticket items you know that will be there that you will have your eye on? What about the live auctions?

James

[Abravefan11]

Should we decide to collect assholes in the future...

I've got a Wonka and Rob D which are the two biggies from the A hole set. :D

[mdschulze]

Why do most people on here get their damn feelings hurt so easily????? Are we really so insecure and thin-skinned that we honestly give a damn what someone else in cyberspace thinks and says? Feel free to call me names, insult my lack of intelligence, wish death upon me and my loved ones, talk about what went on with my mother last night, make personal comments about whatever you want.... it just doesn't matter in my world. Besides, there's not one thing anyone on the internet can say to me that hasn't already been said to me in person by my ex-wife.

I, for one, enjoy reading Bruce's posts (and I don't know him personally so I'm not biased). This guy obviously has a vast knowledge of cards and he really brings some interesting threads to Net54 that typically incite good conversation. Also, @ Wonka, please don't stop posting scans of your cards and by all means please don't refrain from sharing info... I've learned a great deal from your posts in the past.

Bottom line, words are just words. If no one is stalking anyone and trying to cause physical harm, then it's really no big deal. We all need to learn a little humility and be able to laugh at ourselves and quit stressing out over the trivial name calling. Besides, it will make Leon's life a lot easier as well.

-Mike Schulze

[Yankeefan51]

Hope to attend. It is all a matter of health and what the Doctors say
in early August.

Would like more Negro League pieces, ad display pieces, a few tough wrappers
and the usual card suspects.
Thanks for the good wishes

Bruce

[Wite3]

You really want an autograph picture of my asshole? Grammar must not be taught at Wharton. I can provide it but only to a top tier collector like yourself. It will cost you...

Joshua

[Robextend]

Why do most people on here get their damn feelings hurt so easily????? Are we really so insecure and thin-skinned that we honestly give a damn what someone else in cyberspace thinks and says? Feel free to call me names, insult my lack of intelligence, wish death upon me and my loved ones, talk about what went on with my mother last night, make personal comments about whatever you want.... it just doesn't matter in my world. Besides, there's not one thing anyone on the internet can say to me that hasn't already been said to me in person by my ex-wife.

I, for one, enjoy reading Bruce's posts (and I don't know him personally so I'm not biased). This guy obviously has a vast knowledge of cards and he really brings some interesting threads to Net54 that typically incite good conversation. Also, @ Wonka, please don't stop posting scans of your cards and by all means please don't refrain from sharing info... I've learned a great deal from your posts in the past.

Bottom line, words are just words. If no one is stalking anyone and trying to cause physical harm, then it's really no big deal. We all need to learn a little humility and be able to laugh at ourselves and quit stressing out over the trivial name calling. Besides, it will make Leon's life a lot easier as well.

-Mike Schulze

+ 1

[tiger8mush]

I've got a Wonka and Rob D which are the two biggies from the A hole set. :D

I do believe they were double-printed :)

[Orioles1954]

Hope to attend. It is all a matter of health and what the Doctors say
in early August.

Would like more Negro League pieces, ad display pieces, a few tough wrappers
and the usual card suspects.
Thanks for the good wishes

Bruce

Last years National was really thin on wrappers. I've always wanted a 1933 DeLong but have never seen one come up for public sale. Let me know if you spot one...even if you get it first.

[atx840]

I've got a Wonka and Rob D which are the two biggies from the A hole set. :D
Sadly Ted's study shows 95% of all Wonkas are miscut.

[Wite3]

Miscut is fine but the pin hole is worse.

[aljurgela]

I would think, although it's just speculation, that there is a very significant volume of private transactions at the high end that aren't reflected in auction house sales. Certainly there is incentive to avoid the premiums and sell directly. If this is true, then perhaps there are more collectors in Bruce's categories than his numbers reflect.

I would agree with Peter. If I had to estimate, about 25% of my collection come from the "public" auctions. Most of it comes from private sales. This should serve as an offset to the "recycled" sales that flow through the auction houses.

Not sure if my 25% is low or high, but I throw it out there as a data point.

[JrMacdaddy]

How can a "we" be single?

[atx840]

How can a "we" be single?

Father, Spirit & Holy Ghost? All the same dude.

[Ejm1]

Father, Spirit & Holy Ghost? All the same dude.

Bruce.The be all end all, the alpha and omega.

[David Atkatz]

No one cares about his collection now, it has made no imprint on history, and no one will remember him or the things he possessed once his life on this earth is done.

Well said, and true indeed.

[Yankeefan51]

We are particularly amused by the comments that "no one cares."

Funny, how we have hundreds of active business clients around the world.

On the hobby front,we hear regularly from four major
museums, not to mention the wealthiest collectors,
and the top dealers in the country.

As far a mark history, we're not interested in leaving one...of course
we could never hope to be voted the most unpopular physics professor
in the country or become infamous for card altering, auction fixing,
or defrauding customers.

If no one really cares about our what we have to say, why do our posts consistently generate 4x as many replies as all the others? We are far too busy to pay attention to postings, tweets or people that do not matter to us.

We think it is time to leave well enough alone, and close this thread.

All the best,


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[David Atkatz]

As for not being remembered, we helped build two different billion dollar companies. We bought one of the most successful web sites in history for $900,000 which, at its peak grew to $5 billion.

Bull.


Finally, we wonder if you would be so kind as to mention where your "world class" collection will go when you croke- we might want some decorative items for our butler's pantry

Magna cum laude and you don't know it's "croak."

[David Atkatz]

Sure, you succeeded, but you have no life, no children. Just you and your cardboard.

Succeeded? We only have Bruce's word for that. Try Googling him. Basically, you'll find nothing. Not much evidence of any kind of "success."

[David Atkatz]

We are far too busy to pay attention to postings, tweets or people that do not matter to us.
And yet you reply to every single one!

[slidekellyslide]

We think it is time to leave well enough alone, and close this thread.

All the best,


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Wish Granted.