Ebay Seller Jeddrinkwine

[Blunder19]

Anyone know this guy...

I asked him a question through ebay about selling me a card at a lower price then his very high buy it now price.. and this was his response

"And your blocked for life.. i will never sell you a card... smooth move"

just wondering what type of a person responds to a "will you sell this for card for 50 bucks" message with that kind of response...

has anyone else dealt with this guy?

[jcmtiger]

What was the buy it now price?. Sounds like you really lowballed the seller according to him.

Joe

[mintacular]

I've met him in person at an NC show. He was nice and straightforward with me, but a bit rough around the edges. He had large amount of dollar boxes with signs stating THERE ARE NO FURTHER DISCOUNTS, etc. i.e. he is the kind of guy that gets pissed if you try to negotiate if price is clearly stated. I can imagine online he is even more brusque with people shooting him offers on BINs. He is also kind of random on $ so I think if you try to explain to him what you think a card is worth/ what the vcp is etc. he is the type of dealer that would think possibly say "Fu this is my price if you don't like it get lost--I will not haggle" kinda thing

[npa589]

Yep, had a similar experience with him. I even discussed it in a thread on NET54 without mentioning his username. Mine was even more hilarious:

I asked for a back scan (he never provided one) and banned me from making a bid.

He has a screw loose.

[GrayGhost]

Yep, had a similar experience with him. Mine was even more hilarious:

I asked for a back scan (he never provided one) and banned me from making a bid.

He has a screw loose.

Sounds like the guy needs a screwdriver and perhaps a new screw, as this one may have lost its threads. :p

[rp12367]

I have never had a issue, I have gotten quite a few buybacks from him, probably 20+. Always worked with me on price. His BIN are high, but if offer is reasonable don't see why he would have a hard time with it. He has even held items for me for over a week with no issues.

[JasonL]

I have never had a issue, I have gotten quite a few buybacks from him, probably 20+. Always worked with me on price. His BIN are high, but if offer is reasonable don't see why he would have a hard time with it. He has even held items for me for over a week with no issues.

From the other posts here, you seem to be in the minority!
I love the one about being banned for requesting a back scan!!!:D:D:eek:

[rp12367]

LOL Not quite sure if it's a Magic Touch

[npa589]

hahaha

What's the secret Ralph!

[Teamsets4u]

Here is what he has on this about me page.

JED DRINKWINE'S VINTAGE CARDS

Welcome to Jed Drinkwine's Vintage Cards. Ebay has changed much for seller's the past year or so. With higher fee's and almost manditory free shipping we/I have had to up our prices on cards. I will try and give my best price at listing and ship fast and safe for you. Please do not ask me for discounts on cards as Ebay charges me 15% on whatever it sells for. Please do not email asking for back scans. I do not understand the need for a reverse scan of a graded card. You either trust the 3rd party service or you do not. I am not a fan of any guide. I hate VCP Beckett and SMR so please do not email me with completed listing prices or just to tell me what the SMR is on a card. This is rude. My ME page has to sound harsh becaue with Ebay's changes and unfair feedback forum we seller's are blackmailed, bullied, and abused by many buyers about our costs. It's to compansate for the high fee's not to try and gouge a customer. Please email me with any legit concerns or questions as I will be more than happy to help!

[npa589]

He sounds like Ray Finkle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCOGH--E_80

eBay is Dan Marino to jeddrinkwine's Ray Finkle...

[ChiefBenderForever]

He hates VCP ,Beckett, and SMR but asks you to trust the third party grading company and not show a back scan, makes sense to me. I talked to him for awhile at the National and he seemed like an ok guy. When I saw his Mellow Mint Bender I let him know I was the underbidder on it and he had no qualms letting me know it was his card and he had submitted it and wasn't gonna let it go for under $2500 as it 'wasn't good for the hobby' and also wasn't happy he 'lost' money on it getting it back and then said I could have it for $2600. I politely said since I was underbidder at $1800 in a major auction house I wasn't gonna go any higher and was a little surprised at how open he was about the whole situation and at that point didn't want the card at any price. To each his own I guess........

[jg8422]

This guy seems like a jerk. I never understood how anyone can be that way with a potential customer. Doesn't he realize he is most likely missing out on numerous potential customers? Just by reading these posts, I know I will never buy a thing from him....regardless of the price. Although it sounds like I don't have to worry about missing a deal from him anyway.

Anyone know if he does the Philly Show or the big show in Oaks, PA? I am only 10 minutes from there and would love to put a face to him.

[GrayGhost]

The guy is an arrogant clown. Ebay charges everyone fees, and if you sell high dollar stuff, its going to happen, that is, pony up the fees. This "my way or the highway" attitude does NOT endear anyone to good repeat customers. Whatever though.

[Big Ben]

El Paso!

It just isn't worth my time or money to deal with someone like this! I have blown off higher profile dealers than this guy. IMO, a back scan of a graded card is not asking much. I would much rather deal with a person who is nice and actually wants my business.

[Jason]

I have bid on cards of his in the pst and now i am glad i never won any.I dont want to do buisness with dealers like this.Thanks for sharing this story.

[Exhibitman]

I remember him from a show. Definitely on the difficult dealers list...

[4815162342]

There was a guy at the National last year who flew off the handle when I asked to look through a stack of SLers in midgrade PSA holders. I wonder if that was the same guy?

[Spartan]

An excerpt from a thread called "Where are these?" about some 1910 W-unc I replied to on 02/13/2011.... THE SELLER I kept anonymous, well... now you know the rest of the story

"I met the 'individual' that won the Carrigan for $411 or whatever at a show recently... he did indeed put in on EBAY for auction and it sold to someone with over 16000 feedback score, YET, as of this past weekend, he still possesses that very card. Sticker on it is over $800. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm. Out of only 4 bidders, I was one of the 'losing' bidders, and I don't think anyone was gonna win unless it hit a certain unlisted 'reserve', lets say. Funny, small world"

In other words.... he won the Carrigan, tried to sell it, appears to have had someone win it for him, so he would not take a loss, then showed up still owning the card at a show wanting an exorbitant, insane price.... again, small world, as I don't go to card shows, what a rare encounter

[bbsports]

Gee- I thought I was a tough customer to deal with, but he's making me look like a saint. Jed has bought from me on e-bay over the years & pays high on cards he really wants. He knows as a dealer, you make your money by buying, not selling. If you think your buying a card for too much money, then don't buy it. Unless its extremely rare, another one will come around. As far as e-bay fees, if he has an e-bay store, the fees are less, instead of paying the flat rate price of 12%. Being a dealer in this business, you have to have patience with buyers on prices. Everybody wants a bargain. Do your best to keep your customers, not lose them.

[npa589]

Maybe he really is Ray Finkle. Ya'll are doing nothing to dispel this notion of mine!

[alanu]

This thread "almost" makes me want to send an offer with a request for a back scan just to see what type of response I receive.

[npa589]

Do it!

Then, ask for a side scan.

After that, ask for a corner scan.


Finally, ask that he take a picture of himself holding the card in a pose you specify, just so you know he actually owns the card.

[John V]

Maybe thirty for forty of us should send him a message to "please add me to your blocked bidder list". That will get him thinking.

[Jewish-collector]

Is this guy going to be at the National ? :eek::eek::eek:

[egbeachley]

Maybe thirty for forty of us should send him a message to "please add me to your blocked bidder list". That will get him thinking.

Better yet, all ask for the same BIN price as the OP.

[wheels56]

No soup cards for you!!!!

[theseeker]

Hey, that's really funny, the card nazi.

[Shoeless Moe]

I had to test him.

So I sent an offer about $300 below one of his $900 Buy It Nows.

He called me a retard. And then said he made my mom walk funny last night.

I encourage any and all to ask him a question or send an offer. He's nuts, but I love it.

[ChiefBenderForever]

As long as you don't ask any questions, or mind paying top dollar for card without seeing the back, or if in an auction bidding against him on his own cards he seems to be a great person to deal with. And I can totally see why he is so upset with all the fees as it has to get frustrating paying those on your own cards.

[GrayGhost]

I saw pictures on a lot of the cards on the backs, and for some, he mentioned what was wrong w the card to merit grade. I didnt want to offer him a low BIN, in case he was gonna accept it. ;)

[ls7plus]

I had to test him.

So I sent an offer about $300 below one of his $900 Buy It Nows.

He called me a retard. And then said he made my mom walk funny last night.

I encourage any and all to ask him a question or send an offer. He's nuts, but I love it.

Nice one, Paul--I couldn't stop laughing for at least a minute! What a great thread!

Larry

[Blunder19]

Just catching up on all this now... fell off my chair as I read a couple of these posts..

not sure why this guy hates dealing with questions.. good to know others had similar stories..

here I was thinking the guy just hated blunder19 :) .. turns out he just hates anyone who wants to haggle or see back scans :) and I'm usually guilty of needing both before a large purchase.. oh well no soup for me

[npa589]

lol, i'm loving this.

I looked back and found some of my correspondence with him:

....
ME:
can I get a scan of the back?

Also, if you're looking to start anew with some sales, let me know the prices of your Cubs T206 cards off e-bay.

Thank you for the quick response,

Nate
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 11:43 AM
PERSON RESPONDING TO ME (the Seller):

No back scan. They cards are in inventory in my office and I do not have a scanner at my office. Would be a 45 min round trip just to send a scan and then all my profit is gone in gas.

Jeddrinkwine

Me Responding Again:

That I understand. Stupid gas prices.

If there is paper missing from the back, or a mark on the back - then my offer would be much lower - in the range of 30-35 depending how bad the back is. On the Tinker 'bat on' that I got for 35, I really could have offered him lower. There is no limit to how low a Poor can be graded with the card being entirely intact.

When do you go back to your office? Are you off this week?

SELLERS FINAL RESPONSE:

Read my Ebay "Me" page.
We are done here.
Good luck.

-Jeddrinkwine






Jed drinks too much wine.

[wheels56]

As long as you don't ask any questions, or mind paying top dollar for card without seeing the back, or if in an auction bidding against him on his own cards he seems to be a great person to deal with. And I can totally see why he is so upset with all the fees as it has to get frustrating paying those on your own cards.

lol

[Bilko G]

Do it!

Then, ask for a side scan.

After that, ask for a corner scan.


Finally, ask that he take a picture of himself holding the card in a pose you specify, just so you know he actually owns the card.


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[lharri3600]

you nailed it!!

An excerpt from a thread called "Where are these?" about some 1910 W-unc I replied to on 02/13/2011.... THE SELLER I kept anonymous, well... now you know the rest of the story

"I met the 'individual' that won the Carrigan for $411 or whatever at a show recently... he did indeed put in on EBAY for auction and it sold to someone with over 16000 feedback score, YET, as of this past weekend, he still possesses that very card. Sticker on it is over $800. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm. Out of only 4 bidders, I was one of the 'losing' bidders, and I don't think anyone was gonna win unless it hit a certain unlisted 'reserve', lets say. Funny, small world"

In other words.... he won the Carrigan, tried to sell it, appears to have had someone win it for him, so he would not take a loss, then showed up still owning the card at a show wanting an exorbitant, insane price.... again, small world, as I don't go to card shows, what a rare encounter

[Gradedcardman]

Is this the PSA Boards ??

[mintacular]

I do agree that it is bad business to not provide back scans. I would however be devil's advocate in saying that he has the right to list a "BIN" for whatever he wants and if there is no "best offer" option than I could understand how a dealer might be annoyed with em's asking for lower prices, especially on a lower $ card.

Likewise, customers quoting past sales vcp etc. would not endear me to that buyer as I'm sure he is aware of those #'s and has chosen to try and sell it for a higher $. Especially with cards these days, many of these dealers need to "buy low, sell high" to make any kind of profit. If they tried to sell everything at " vcp avg." many of them wouldn't make it for long haul.

As stated, I met the guy in person and he was friendly enough--I can see how online it might be more tempting to tell people to "eff off" although this is not really a good idea.

[npa589]

You do make good points, and I think all of the sellers feel that way, but we need buyers to meet the prerequisites of being considered a seller.

If this guy keeps it up, he'll be a poster - not a seller.


I do agree that it is bad business to not provide back scans. I would however be devil's advocate in saying that he has the right to list a "BIN" for whatever he wants and if there is no "best offer" option than I could understand how a dealer might be annoyed with em's asking for lower prices, especially on a lower $ card.

Likewise, customers quoting past sales vcp etc. would not endear me to that buyer as I'm sure he is aware of those #'s and has chosen to try and sell it for a higher $. Especially with cards these days, many of these dealers need to "buy low, sell high" to make any kind of profit. If they tried to sell everything at " vcp avg." many of them wouldn't make it for long haul.

As stated, I met the guy in person and he was friendly enough--I can see how online it might be more tempting to tell people to "eff off" although this is not really a good idea.

[3-2-count]

I'm sorry, but once this remark was made to another board member, "He called me a retard. And then said he made my mom walk funny last night" all bets were off in my opinion. Call me a retard, I can take it, but placing ones mother into the conversation warrants any bad remarks this seller receives. No class whatsoever, I don't care how kind he was in person..........

[cozmokramer]

I wonder if he knows this thread exists. Someone should tell him, he might change his business practices and he soon learn his current way isn't good for business.

[calvindog]

I have a recollection of this guy....I was following a 33 Goudey card...in a justcollect auction...the card was sold to this guy but mysteriously went back on sale by justcollect a few days later. When i asked what was up I was told that the buyer (jed whatever his name is) hadn't paid for the card. But then I checked his feedback and he had at least one positive feedback from justcollect on cards purchased the same day.

[teetwoohsix]

I'm sorry, but once this remark was made to another board member, "He called me a retard. And then said he made my mom walk funny last night" all bets were off in my opinion. Call me a retard, I can take it, but placing ones mother into the conversation warrants any bad remarks this seller receives. No class whatsoever, I don't care how kind he was in person..........

I agree Tony..very disrespectful and a pretty strange way to treat a potential buyer.

[theuclakid]

I have had many good dealings with Jed, and have known him casually for many years. He is very knowledgeable on vintage cards of all sports....I fully support him...but not knowing all the facts, I am hesitant to comment further on this particular blogs message... I do know that Jed's comments concerning PSA, Ebay and some online buyers are also echoed by most sellers at one time or another, including myself....Bruce Perry (Vintagescards)

this blog is about Jed Drinkwine.....I know another guy named Jed Drinkwater....had a mental lapse for a sec....my bad...sorry

[HRBAKER]

I can honestly say that I have made many offers (some may have been considered low) to many sellers over many years on ebay and off, and none, no not one has ever told me they made my mother walk funny.

[marcdelpercio]

this blog is about Jed Drinkwine.....I know another guy named Jed Drinkwater....had a mental lapse for a sec....my bad...sorry

Hey, you can't change water into wine. Thanks...you're a lovely audience. Sorry...continue now...

[Butter]

Sent him an offer of $1 for one of his cards through best offer yesterday. Hasn't been denied yet. :rolleyes:

[CharleyBrown]

was considering sending him a reasonable offer for his '49 Bowman Jackie Robinson... I guess that's off the table at this point.

[docpatlv]

this blog is about Jed Drinkwine.....I know another guy named Jed Drinkwater....had a mental lapse for a sec....my bad...sorry


I don't know anything about Jed Drinkwine (or Jed Drinkwater for that matter), he may be lacking in the social skills department. But I can definitely tell you to avoid sending lowball offers to Jed Drinkpiss....he gets downright hostile!!!

[bigred]

I have bought and sold to jed over the last few years, I have found that he will pay more than most , and has a knowledge beyound his years, I hate to see him get bashed on this web site, i have been told before by people on this website that it is rude to ask for a back scan, and why would you offer $300 for a $900 buy it now,most people would be offended by that, much less these offers of $1, to me that is kind of bad in itself

[AndyG09]

I don't know anything about Jed Drinkwine (or Jed Drinkwater for that matter), he may be lacking in the social skills department. But I can definitely tell you to avoid sending lowball offers to Jed Drinkpiss....he gets downright hostile!!!

Killin me, Doc. Awesome!

Best,

Andy

[bh3443]

I do not know this person and this comment is not about him but it's a general theory I've had for over 40 years:
Don't buy from an a--hole because the card will have the stench for eternity.

And during my years promoting shows I always "reserved the right to refuse tables to anyone for any reason", basically the type of dealer in the last sentence.

I like my cards to have nice stories about how I got them and the nice people who I did the transaction with. Call me silly, but that's the way I like it!

[novakjr]

I have bought and sold to jed over the last few years, I have found that he will pay more than most , and has a knowledge beyound his years, I hate to see him get bashed on this web site, i have been told before by people on this website that it is rude to ask for a back scan, and why would you offer $300 for a $900 buy it now,most people would be offended by that, much less these offers of $1, to me that is kind of bad in itself

I think he said that he offered $300 less than the BIN of $900. So we're actually looking at a offer of $600. Nothing wrong with that..

Anyways, I kinda agree with you a little. While the seller's attitude is kinda rough around the edges, we really shouldn't be tearing into him the way that we are. While sharing true experiences with this seller is fine, CREATING new out of the norm experiences just to see how far the guy will go in his response is a little too much. I will admit that I've kind of enjoyed some of the responses so far though..

BTW, if you're spending your money on a card, it's NEVER rude to ask for a back scan.. The guy knows people ask for them, and is obviously annoyed by people asking for them. What should his solution be? Huh, how about providing one in the first place, so that people won't ask you for one? It's sure a better option than tearing into people for doing what you knew they were going to do all along. Also, I've never once read a seller's ME page, and I'm sure I'm not alone, so any disclaimer posted there is virtually worthless.

[jg8422]

Provide a back scan! Problem solved! What is it? An extra .10 cents? The seller brings it on himself by not providing a back scan....escpecially on a somewhat expensive card.

[Gradedcardman]

Offer was $50 with a buy it now of $150. I have done business with both guys and will again.

[bigtrain]

Bill is 100% dead on with his comment which is why he is known as one of the great guys in the hobby. I would add simply that I make it a practice not to do business with jerks. I may miss a few buying opportunities but I have never regretted sticking to that rule. Further, I would never say something in an email that I would not say in person. Suffice it to say that a guy who insults my mother to my face should be prepared to lose a few teeth. For his sake, I hope Jed learns this lesson soon or that he has a dentist in the family.

[Rich Klein]

And THERE WILL be a next trade and hopefully many more after that == please include a signed copy of that baseball card you posted --- I do collecto Dealer Signed (or Collector) Signed cards like that. Call me strange

Rich

[Vol]

Do it!

Then, ask for a side scan.

After that, ask for a corner scan.


Finally, ask that he take a picture of himself holding the card in a pose you specify, just so you know he actually owns the card.

Lulz.

You cracked me up with this!

Poor Jed, having to answer all these questions from folks wanting to buy some cards from him. Feel so bad for him. So bad. :D:D

[ctownboy]

Jeddrinkwine and Anthony Weiner need to trade each other as far as how they operate.

Jed needs to be more open, friendly and hospitable, as far as answering questions and posting pictures of the items he is wanting to sell and Anthony needs to not be so open about talking to people and sending pictures over Twitter and Facebook.

If each had only done what the other acutally did then each would be better off for it and the public wouldn't have known about either persons bad judgement.

David

[bsuttonosu]

Don't buy from an a--hole because the card will have the stench for eternity.

Right on, Bill. I can remember so many of the positive experiences I had...when and where I bought something and from who...that I don't want that negativity in my collection.

This conversation seems silly to me. There are only two reasons not to provide a complete picture of the card both front and back...laziness or you're hiding something. Given the volume of listings he has, it's not laziness.

And the point was made earlier that the seller has the right to charge whatever he wants as a BIN. By the same token, the buyer has the right to offer whatever he wants. These things aren't fixed retail prices...negotiating is part of this hobby.

As for eBay fees being the reason...totally and completely irrelevant. I heard this same argument from a dealer at the National a few years ago. Told me he had to charge over value to make up for the cost of his table. As if his cost of doing business somehow inherently made the cards more valuable. Guess how much he sold to me? $0. And it was clear from the time I spent at his table that other collectors felt the same way.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can't be a seller for long with no buyers.

[bh3443]

I'm glad to read your responses to my post! Our group here is very special and I am happy to be a part of Net54.

Rich, I'm going to find a couple of my different cards that Jim Bouton's company made for me way back to send you and yes, I'll sign them! The rarest collector/dealer cards were a set put out by an early hobby paper long ago featuring our good friend Bob Thing from Maine. If you can locate the set I'm sure you'll find other hobby pioneers as I recall having a Charlie Brooks card when he was doing the Sport Hobbyist. As for Bob Thing, i called him after the nice SCD article on him and told him he needs to sign my copy!

In case any of you did not see it in SCD, you can also view it on-line on George Verechek's old cardboard site. I googled Bob Thing Article and it came up!
On this subject, I really must say how much I have enjoyed George's articles on hobby figures from Lionel Carter to this recent one. He's doing us a great service by providing a documentation of the pioneers of our hobby just like our leader Leon's doing with his posting of the Bulletins from the 40's! I'm constantly reading old SCD, trader Speaks, etc..,
Thank you my friends,
Bill Hedin
PS: My nomination for the next hobby icon article's our pal Bill Zimpleman.
He's a class act if there ever was one. Knowledgible, friendly, and a person who simply makes you feel what a wonderful hobby we are involved with.

[Rich Klein]

We have a great time at every National talking about --- OLD Rock and Roll Music -- after all who cares about these funny pictures featuring men when we can discuss the great PBS shows on older music that BIll was lucky enough to be in the audience for.....

He has made me some air check tapes in the past and at one show, we were talking about music when I metioned that so and so dealer from Colorado (whom Bill had known for years) was a host of an weekly oldies show.

The next day, Bill told me that he went over there and chatted about music for a couple of hours and arranged to get some music for said dealer to play on his radio show.

Those are some of my favorite memories of Bill Z

Rich

[bh3443]

Rich,
I really enjoyed your post! When I met Bill for the first time at a show outside Cincinnati we talked music over a few drinks. He's the true expert! I mentioned that I was looking for a soundtrack of The Falcon and the Snowman to Bill. A week later he sent it to me at no charge.

On cards, he was the first and biggest type card collector I ever met. We definitely need to nominate him for George's next article!

Have a great weekend, Rich. I start opening Topps series 2 on Monday so I'll have cards to send you in a week!

Your Friend,
Bill Hedin
Those are some of my favorite memories of Bill Z

Rich[/QUOTE]

[orrrules]

Right on, Bill. I can remember so many of the positive experiences I had...when and where I bought something and from who...that I don't want that negativity in my collection.

This conversation seems silly to me. There are only two reasons not to provide a complete picture of the card both front and back...laziness or you're hiding something. Given the volume of listings he has, it's not laziness.

And the point was made earlier that the seller has the right to charge whatever he wants as a BIN. By the same token, the buyer has the right to offer whatever he wants. These things aren't fixed retail prices...negotiating is part of this hobby.

As for eBay fees being the reason...totally and completely irrelevant. I heard this same argument from a dealer at the National a few years ago. Told me he had to charge over value to make up for the cost of his table. As if his cost of doing business somehow inherently made the cards more valuable. Guess how much he sold to me? $0. And it was clear from the time I spent at his table that other collectors felt the same way.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can't be a seller for long with no buyers.

You could not be more wrong. Most collectors do not ask for back scans so why wast time making back scans of every card listed. If asked then post a back scan to the item. Negotiating is part of the hobby but there is a limit. If I see something for a good price I buy it. I do not try and chisel the dealer. Some buyers can be very uncouth and make themselves look cheap.

[orrrules]

When a buyer starts citing smr, beckett, and the other one it turns me off to negotiating. Dealers can read and if they wanted to check this out they could. Not every 5, 6, 7, or 8 looks the same and collectors are willing to pay a premium for nice card in a holder.

[orrrules]

I have bought and sold to jed over the last few years, I have found that he will pay more than most , and has a knowledge beyound his years, I hate to see him get bashed on this web site, i have been told before by people on this website that it is rude to ask for a back scan, and why would you offer $300 for a $900 buy it now,most people would be offended by that, much less these offers of $1, to me that is kind of bad in itself
Because some collectors have no dignity.

[4815162342]

Wow. Welcome to the board.

[Brendan]

Next time orrules, I suggest you don't bring a thread back from the dead in a negative manner.

[Pup6913]

Because some collectors have no dignity.

You will also need to post your name if you want to be so opinionated. Pretty sure thats the rule here.

[Gradedcardman]

+1

[Leon]

You will also need to post your name if you want to be so opinionated. Pretty sure thats the rule here.

Correct.

Unless he is well known on the board (and he isn't) he will need to put his name in his post, as I emailed him right after he posted...Either that or edit the comments out....regards

[U240robert]

On my experiences on ebay, back scans were pretty common to me on valuable cards, whether the card was graded or not.
If the dealer is a jerk then move on.
There's not a thing he's selling that you can't get from
someone else. Over time he'll learn or be out of business and frustrated.

A few dealers I've met over the years are very arrogant.
Never ceases to amaze me when I see a dealer that acts like
his creased VG- minus 1972 Topps cards are made of gold
and then they wonder why the dealer next to him has so many repeat customers
while he struggles just to make dealer fee sales.
Customer service is not a mystery.

Robert

[mets41]

The only time I ever post the back as part of my listing is when there is a back variation (ie. t206) or if a possible bidder asks for one. If I get nasty about it I've lost a bidder forever.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Graded or not, I pass when there is no back scan or description. It's easy to form a single image comprised of both front and back scans, so additional fees isn't a factor.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm25/gbmartin34/Card%20Collection/Net%2054/E92Nadja-Stone-1.jpg

[steve B]

you can also host them somewhere other than Ebay and insert the proper code into the listing. No fees for that.

Steve B

[slidekellyslide]

Next time orrules, I suggest you don't bring a thread back from the dead in a negative manner.

I don't think this is Jed Drinkwine...according to ebay that guy is in South Carolina...the IP address on Orrrules is Denver, CO.

[orrrules]

Graded or not, I pass when there is no back scan or description. It's easy to form a single image comprised of both front and back scans, so additional fees isn't a factor.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm25/gbmartin34/Card%20Collection/Net%2054/E92Nadja-Stone-1.jpg

I never ask for a back scan. i buy large lots in auction houses and you only view a few cards and back scans are rare. I trust the grading company and auction house or I would not buy.

[orrrules]

I was responding to other negative comments left by other people. I guess you ignore those posts. Jed Drinkwine will be in booth 703 at the national. Why don't you go there and say some of the stuff you are saying on these message boards.

[bobbyw8469]

Will Jedddrinkwine be willing to say in person that "he made someone's mother walk funny", like he was so quick to do over an email exchange!?!?!?! He acts like that to the wrong person, and someone is going to knock him on his butt!

[orrrules]

Correct.

Unless he is well known on the board (and he isn't) he will need to put his name in his post, as I emailed him right after he posted...Either that or edit the comments out....regards
Never got an email. My name is now posted.

[Brendan]

I was responding to other negative comments left by other people. I guess you ignore those posts. Jed Drinkwine will be in booth 703 at the national. Why don't you go there and say some of the stuff you are saying on these message boards.

Yes, I hear you were. I actually did read the whole post. At least in my opinion, when a thread is dead, better to keep it that way, especially when it's your first post.

I do have to agree with youon something....Orr does rule.

[orrrules]

Will Jedddrinkwine be willing to say in person that "he made someone's mother walk funny", like he was so quick to do over an email exchange!?!?!?! He acts like that to the wrong person, and someone is going to knock him on his butt!
You know where he will be. Why don't you ask him yourself.

[bobbyw8469]

[QUOTE][You know where he will be. Why don't you ask him yourself.
/QUOTE]

I ain't asking him anything....I am not the one talking smack about people's mothers. But if he says something to me about MY mother, then his ass is hitting asphlat. Plain and simple.

[Leon]

[QUOTE][You know where he will be. Why don't you ask him yourself.
/QUOTE]

I ain't asking him anything....I am not the one talking smack about people's mothers. But if he says something to me about MY mother, then his ass is hitting asphlat. Plain and simple.

C'mon, is that necessary? Take it to private emails or PM's please. thanks...

[bobbyw8469]

Sorry Leon....I get kinda worked up when I see people acting derogatory towards other people....and especially when they DEFEND that sort of behavior. Junior High ended for me years ago.....

[Leon]

Sorry Leon....I get kinda worked up when I see people acting derogatory towards other people....and especially when they DEFEND that sort of behavior. Junior High ended for me years ago.....

I hear ya', but lets just be cool on the board. This is baseball cards. It's our hobby. Remember, it's supposed to be pleasant and relaxing :o.

[orrrules]

Yes, I hear you were. I actually did read the whole post. At least in my opinion, when a thread is dead, better to keep it that way, especially when it's your first post.

I do have to agree with youon something....Orr does rule.

I got news for you. It is not dead when I get calls from customers who buy from Jed as well telling me what is going on net54 message boards. This will be national #8 for me. I know all the big people in the hobby personally and would never get on a cheerleading board and rip apart anyone no matter what. If I have a problem with the way a dealer grades, treats me, or his prices I do not buy from them but keep it to myself. I have had people make me offers on cards on EBAY and I politely say no thank you. I have had people tell me you will never sell the card. To me that is Kharma because most of the time it is sold shortly there after. I have had collectors and dealers alike that have gotten downright rude and classless because I will not sell a card for the price they want to pay. I could not tell you who they are because I am past it already.

I am putting a psa 8 71 topps set together and I have yet to lowball anyone for a card and will pay what it takes to get the the tough ones. If any of the people on here are setting up at the national please bring any 71's you have in 8's as I will be walking the room on tuesday and wednesday and will be looking for about 50 of them. If you are a collector bring any you have from #7 to 100 to booth 703. I may need some of them.

[Brendan]

I got news for you. It is not dead when I get calls from customers who buy from Jed as well telling me what is going on net54 message boards. This will be national #8 for me. I know all the big people in the hobby personally and would never get on a cheerleading board and rip apart anyone no matter what. If I have a problem with the way a dealer grades, treats me, or his prices I do not buy from them but keep it to myself. I have had people make me offers on cards on EBAY and I politely say no thank you. I have had people tell me you will never sell the card. To me that is Kharma because most of the time it is sold shortly there after. I have had collectors and dealers alike that have gotten downright rude and classless because I will not sell a card for the price they want to pay. I could not tell you who they are because I am past it already.

I am putting a psa 8 71 topps set together and I have yet to lowball anyone for a card and will pay what it takes to get the the tough ones. If any of the people on here are setting up at the national please bring any 71's you have in 8's as I will be walking the room on tuesday and wednesday and will be looking for about 50 of them. If you are a collector bring any you have from #7 to 100 to booth 703. I may need some of them.

When it's your first post on this board, I have to disagree. For all I knew, you could be "get on a cheerleading board and rip apart anyone." You see, I do not have the power to know who is posting when I do not see his name.

I do not see how your post reinforces anything you have said. I'm happy that you know all the big people in the hobby and karma seems to work well with you. But when no one has any clue who you are, except Leon, why should you expect any different?

This is a pointless argument. Saying that I did not read an entire post is not going to help it. If there's an argument, it should be about jeddrinkwine. Not board etiquette.

[orrrules]

When it's your first post on this board, I have to disagree. For all I knew, you could be "get on a cheerleading board and rip apart anyone." You see, I do not have the power to know who is posting when I do not see his name.

I do not see how your post reinforces anything you have said. I'm happy that you know all the big people in the hobby and karma seems to work well with you. But when no one has any clue who you are, except Leon, why should you expect any different?
It reinforces a lot. Sorry you cannot see it. I most likely do not know these collectors so if they do want to meet me I will be set up at the national in booth 703.

As far as ripping on anyone please let me know who it was. If disagreeing is ripping on someone than I have.

[dherm360]

so are you Jed, or sharing a booth-I sent some ebay messages about 205s and never get responses, and no they arent to see the backs

[Brendan]

It reinforces a lot. Sorry you cannot see it. I most likely do not know these collectors so if they do want to meet me I will be set up at the national in booth 703.

As far as ripping on anyone please let me know who it was. If disagreeing is ripping on someone than I have.

I said for all I knew you could be doing that. I wish you would read my entire post and you'd understand that when I made that post no one knew who you were.

We can disagree. But these little hints of insults to eachother make us both look like fools. Can we just stop this silly argument?

[orrrules]

so are you Jed, or sharing a booth-I sent some ebay messages about 205s and never get responses, and no they arent to see the backs
We are sharing a booth. I am not Jed. I have only a few t205's. I only bring graded cards to the national. Stop by booth 703 and check it out. if you want you can email me with a list to aburt46370@aol.com. Thank you for your inquiry.

[orrrules]

I said for all I knew you could be doing that. I wish you would read my entire post and you'd understand that when I made that post no one knew who you were.

We can disagree. But these little hints of insults to eachother make us both look like fools. Can we just stop this silly argument?

Nuff said. From what I have been reading on these posts I thought it was about insults. That is not directed at you but other posts.

[Brendan]

Nuff said. From what I have been reading on these posts I thought it was about insults. That is not directed at you but other posts.

Good. I mean things such as "Sorry you cannot see that" I would assume is viewed as a 'backdoor' insult. Didn't know you worked with Jeddrinkwine. I can understand your posting here because of that. :cool:

[Spartan]

Is it me or does seller JEDDRINKWINE use seller id 2***r with 35 feedback to create 'hidden' reserves... Excellent strategy my friend !!! I was intently watching the Carrigan W-UNC 1910 card because he appeared to have sold to a 'bogus' bidder back in Nov 2010, and it remained in his possession. I felt the auction starting at 99 cent this time wasn't going to go down totally legit.. and surprisingly enough this interesting bidder 2***R kept all his sell prices I guess where he wanted them. It's a free country !! Perhaps I'm off base, doubt it, HIGHLY ! JOHN VAN DINTER

[calvindog]

Very sleazy seller.

[egbeachley]

If they had to pay their 10% Ebay fees this wouldn't happen.

[t206blogcom]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've had pleasant transactions with Jeddrinkwine. Most recently in August, I made an offer on two cards and was willing to complete the transaction off of eBay via PayPal. He agreed to my offer and the transaction took place through PayPal. I have no complaints since I haven't experienced the strange responses and banning threats.

[Howe’s Hunter]

There is now a seller called jedsclassictreasures559. Didn't think Jed was that common of a name.... Jed Drinkwine .... Jed Clampett ...

[ScottFandango]

especially with SGC, it important to see the back of the card since they dont designate paper loss or markings...

a SGC 10 or 20 can easily be a PSA Authentic if there is a lot of paper loss...very important to see the back IMO, especially for rarer cards...

guys a jerk, move one to another dealer...