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thansen30
06-13-2011, 01:15 PM
Desperately searching for anything you guys know about these.
(longtime collector, first-time Net54'er.)
I know they were sold at ballpark concessions, and not MLB or MLBPA approved. I have only found Cubs, Red Sox, Giants, Orioles Brewers and A's examples. All of them are shot on the same style background and have a facsimilie autograph in brown (with the look of a felt tip pen). A couple of years ago i reached out to Lifson and Muchinksy, but neither had any insight. I'm interested in other players/teams you may know of, and any other background on them . . .
I don't know much about them but I also have a Glenn Beckert and Billy Williams. Who is the Cub between Pepitone and Santo? I don't have that one.
dwr11
06-14-2011, 08:52 AM
I am almost positive I have seen a Roberto Clemente button from this series before.
thansen30
06-14-2011, 09:19 AM
i just picked up Billy Williams on ebay. i also have many Red Sox, and Vida Blue is the only A's example I have. i will now obsess over the Clemente. Thanks for that!
The mystery Cub is apparently Jose Ortiz, who played 36 games for the Cubs in 1971. That clearly dates the pin, since Ortiz was in the White Sox system in 1970
dwr11
06-14-2011, 11:49 AM
I found this photo of the Clemente pin. It's a small picture but it's proof that it does exist.
thansen30
06-14-2011, 12:13 PM
wow. thats awesome. looks like the other one is a senator, so maybe they did do all the teams. that's what i'm trying to figure out
i just found the clemente pin on Legendary Auctions site from October 2007. it went for $385 with premium. i troll ebay for these all the time, but they appear to be very scarce
dwr11
06-14-2011, 12:22 PM
I would love to find any Minnesota Twins players from this set. I have collected Twins player buttons for quite a few years and I have never seen any Twins players from this series but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
thansen30
06-15-2011, 08:39 AM
btw that Senators pin is Denny McLain. where'd you find the image?
ooo-ribay
02-05-2014, 02:46 PM
I'm new today and don't know the etiquette of bumping 2 1/2 year old threads :rolleyes: but I just asked about these pins in my second post. Perhaps someone knows something new from 2011? This is a strange bunch of pins without much rhyme or reason....
thansen30
04-10-2014, 09:11 PM
ooo-ribay I've been searching for these pins for years. All i know for certain is they were unlicensed and sold outside the ballparks in 1971. I bought the Joe Pepitone Cubs pin on the street outside Wrigley Field from a vendor that year.
The Brewers displayed a "complete set of 10" at their fanfest a few years ago, confirming the year. I have pins from Cubs, A's, Giants, Redsox, Brewers, Pirates, Senators and Orioles, with multiple samples from Cubs, Redsox and Brewers. None of the pin "experts" know anything about them. There is no checklist (or anyone else who collects them, evidently!) Since the photography is so stunning, I thought Ozzie Sweet might have shot them, but his estate told me a few years ago that is unlikely. Paul Muchinsky lists only one--Dave Bristol of the Brewers--in his book about pinbacks, with no other details. They are a true mystery!
thansen30
04-10-2014, 09:14 PM
This is the checklist of Brewers pins, provided by Mears:
Dave Bristol - Manager
Tommy Harper - 3B
Mike Hegan - 1B
Andy Kosco - LF
Skip Lockwood - P
Davey May - CF
Marty Pattin - P
Ken Sanders - P
Bill Voss - OF
Danny Walton - OF
http://collectiblescentral.com/ReadArticle.aspx?articleid=11
thansen30
04-11-2014, 07:06 AM
There are superstars and journeymen in this pin "set." All of them are hard to find. There are also variations in size (the dave bristol is smaller than most) and finish (the Santo example above has a glossy plastic on the front, and an easel back not present on any of the others i've seen).http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=41330&stc=1&d=1309278619
Scott Garner
04-11-2014, 09:43 AM
This may be O/T, but if anyone has a Vida Blue from this set, I would be interested in purchasing it for my no-hit pitcher pinback collection.
PLMK
Thanks!
JMEnglish27
04-11-2014, 02:41 PM
Kicking myself right now...
A few years back I saw a bunch of these in a bin, a buck each or so, at a twice-annual Peddler's Faire in Coarsegold, CA.
Memorial Day is coming up again...so I'll have to head up to it this year and see if they're out there again.
Couldn't tell you who or what was there for sure, but they were definitely these, as I remember that McLain one (or some Sen) and maybe the Vida Blue.
Scott Garner
04-11-2014, 02:42 PM
Kicking myself right now...
A few years back I saw a bunch of these in a bin, a buck each or so, at a twice-annual Peddler's Faire in Coarsegold, CA.
Memorial Day is coming up again...so I'll have to head up to it this year and see if they're out there again.
Couldn't tell you who or what was there for sure, but they were definitely these, as I remember that McLain one (or some Sen) and maybe the Vida Blue.
Thanks, that would be awesome!
They appear to have been shot in a studio, and probably at the same time for each team. You can ask one of the pictured players if they remember, should one of them appear at a show to sign autographs.
thansen30
04-11-2014, 09:09 PM
The were definitely shot in a studio, using the same backdrops. They are also very well photographed--that's why I got in contact with Ozzie Sweet's biographer to see if he had anything to do with it. Dead end.
They also feature the imprint of an actual signature, reproduced primarily in brown ink (not a signature font like many modern pinbacks). The Tommy Harper pin has no signature on it.
Because of the teams involved, i'm guessing they were shot in NY, Chicago or LA, for access to teams from both leagues, and probably within the same time frame. I'm wondering if there are 10 players from each of the teams, as we no know there are for the Brewers. I have multiple players from Cubs, Brewers and Red Sox, but only single players from the A's and Giants, and have seen single players from Pirates and Senators . . .
thansen30
04-11-2014, 09:12 PM
Kicking myself right now...
A few years back I saw a bunch of these in a bin, a buck each or so, at a twice-annual Peddler's Faire in Coarsegold, CA.
Memorial Day is coming up again...so I'll have to head up to it this year and see if they're out there again.
Couldn't tell you who or what was there for sure, but they were definitely these, as I remember that McLain one (or some Sen) and maybe the Vida Blue.
good luck with the bin! That would be incredible. Please post anything you come across--there is little known about these pins, so the more examples we can share the better
springpin
04-12-2014, 10:59 AM
Tom,
Someone wrote to me a while back about the origin of these pins. I did not and still don't know their origin. A good clue is the story of how they were sold by a street vendor outside the ball park. They are definitely unlicensed. Pinbacks will bedevil you with their arcane creations. I don't recall ever seeing a Yankee player in this pin design. That is not all that surprising given the Yankees were a very mediocre team in those years.
I would disagree with you about them having been shot in a studio. It seems extremely unlikely to me that whoever commissioned these pins could convince MLB players to visit a studio (and bring their uniform) to create illegal merchandise. By the 1970s considerable progress had been made in creating "layered" images, i.e., placing a carefully cropped picture of a player on top of a synthetically created background. The bright white spots around some players appear to be artificially created.
Someone who might help with the mystery of these pins would be the photograph (or maybe card) collectors. If those images were not shot in a studio, they came from somewhere. I think the creator of these pins had these photographs, cropped and layered them in a photo studio, and then found a pin making company to produce them.
thansen30
04-12-2014, 03:11 PM
Very much agree that getting the ballplayers into the studio seems unlikely. But the high quality of the photography is what makes me think it was a controlled setting. Funny you mention bringing along their uniforms--if you look closely at the Joe Pepitone pin, he's wearing his home top and his road pants!
thansen30
04-12-2014, 03:23 PM
For what it's worth, I've noticed three variations in the "1971" stadium pinbacks: Version one measures 2.25" across and has matte finish. Version two measures 3" across and also has matte finish. Version three measures 3.5" across and has glossy finish.
There is a similar style of pinback that shouldn't be mistaken for this group--they have different cropping, inferior printing, feature a different autograph printed in black, have a high gloss finish and an easel back. They also measure 3.5" across (see below for comparison of Billy Williams and Ron Santo versions)
thansen30
04-12-2014, 03:26 PM
For what it's worth, the seven 1971 Cubs stadium pinbacks I have--most are 3" and matte; two are 3.5" and glossy
thansen30
04-12-2014, 03:28 PM
The nine 1971 Redsox stadium pinbacks I have found. All are the 3.5" glossy version
springpin
04-12-2014, 04:45 PM
Great eye! No wonder Joe is grinning.
icollectDCsports
04-14-2014, 12:00 PM
In addition to the Senators being represented in this style pinback by Denny McLain, I believe there was also one for Frank Howard. I've unsuccessfully looked for years to find and buy the Howard version.
thansen30
04-14-2014, 08:29 PM
Here is the Clemente stadium pinback, which sold in the Legendary Auctions sale in October 2007 for $385. It's breathtaking. Their description was "Highly Visual 1960s Roberto Clemente Souvenir Pinback."
ooo-ribay
04-16-2014, 07:03 PM
There is a similar style of pinback that shouldn't be mistaken for this group--they have different cropping, inferior printing, feature a different autograph printed in black, have a high gloss finish and an easel back. They also measure 3.5" across (see below for comparison of Billy Williams and Ron Santo versions)
A very interesting topic. IMHO, oftentimes both the "superior" or "inferior" versions have poor cropping....either too much and unequal background or not enough background.
The Mays comes both with and without facsimile sig.
thansen30
04-19-2014, 03:30 PM
Picked up several Brewers 1971 stadium pinback examples on ebay. All measure 2.25" across with matte finish.
thansen30
06-15-2014, 06:42 PM
Just picked up another example of Baltimore Orioles 1971 stadium pinback. Boog Powell joins Frank Robinson on the list. Are there others?
icollectDCsports
06-16-2014, 01:03 PM
Just picked up another example of Baltimore Orioles 1971 stadium pinback. Boog Powell joins Frank Robinson on the list. Are there others?
I have a Brooks Robinson from this set.
hcv123
06-16-2014, 04:31 PM
Hi all,
I know the origin of the pins!! But I don't recall the whole story off the top of my head. The guy who took the photos (and I believe they were a controlled setting (not sure about in a studio)) was a professional team photographer (also forget which team). Their short supply I believe is attributed to their lack of licensing. There are prints that were made from the original negatives (which STILL exist and are owned by the original photographers nephew) who runs a photo studio. They are SCARCE! I own a Clemente(pin and print), Mays, Gaylord Perry, Denny McClain. I owned a Rose print. My time is CRAZY tight right now, but I will try to get back here to fill in the blanks when I find my notes. I was chasing the origin of these pins for years and finally hit pay dirt ~2 years ago. Hope that helps.
-Howard
thansen30
06-18-2014, 09:39 AM
Post a pic, please. That's outstanding news!
thansen30
06-18-2014, 09:42 AM
Howard, that scenario sounds just about right; but now i have a million questions. I've been on the same search for information. Post whatever you know as soon as you can!
tom
thansen30
06-18-2014, 09:45 AM
Post a picture of the Brooks pin if you can ...
ooo-ribay
06-18-2014, 12:56 PM
Hi all,
I know the origin of the pins!! But I don't recall the whole story off the top of my head. The guy who took the photos (and I believe they were a controlled setting (not sure about in a studio)) was a professional team photographer (also forget which team). Their short supply I believe is attributed to their lack of licensing. There are prints that were made from the original negatives (which STILL exist and are owned by the original photographers nephew) who runs a photo studio. They are SCARCE! I own a Clemente(pin and print), Mays, Gaylord Perry, Denny McClain. I owned a Rose print. My time is CRAZY tight right now, but I will try to get back here to fill in the blanks when I find my notes. I was chasing the origin of these pins for years and finally hit pay dirt ~2 years ago. Hope that helps.
-Howard
An ebay seller recently told me a similar story, right down to time being crazy tight. That person asked for me to give him a month and get back with him. I did, but got no response. I wonder if that was Howard. I'm as eager as Tom to find out more info!
icollectDCsports
06-18-2014, 08:21 PM
post a picture of the brooks pin if you can ...
Sorry it's not better quality photo but short on time.
149535
ooo-ribay
04-13-2015, 04:16 PM
For what it's worth, I've noticed three variations in the "1971" stadium pinbacks: Version one measures 2.25" across and has matte finish. Version two measures 3" across and also has matte finish. Version three measures 3.5" across and has glossy finish.
There is a similar style of pinback that shouldn't be mistaken for this group--they have different cropping, inferior printing, feature a different autograph printed in black, have a high gloss finish and an easel back. They also measure 3.5" across (see below for comparison of Billy Williams and Ron Santo versions)
For this ^^^ and the fact we got Scott Garner turned on to his Vida Blue, there have been two Blues on ebay recently (I have a permanent search for a different Blue pinback). I think the first pic is the 3.5" variety.
ksfarmboy
04-16-2015, 11:01 AM
Here's the 2 I picked up on ebay a while back. I missed out on a Frank Robinson and Boog Powell. The seller also had a Tom Seaver.
ooo-ribay
04-16-2015, 11:23 AM
They're cool. I wish we could figure out the real story. Need to get Springpin "on it."
icollectDCsports
04-16-2015, 01:13 PM
Pretty simple design, but I really do like these. Some great players represented.
Still looking for the Frank Howard - Senators version.
springpin
04-17-2015, 07:54 AM
Rob,
Your comment about me tracing down the story behind these pins raises another dimension in being a pinback detective. I will say for the record that Howard and his connection is the only way this story will ever be known.
All the sleuthing on pins that I have ever done involved trying to tie together scattered clues from the past. I recall one person even asking me, "Why would anyone care about such stuff?" My only answer was, "I don't know, but I do."
The new dimension in this case pertains to legal issues---the selling of licensed images. This is a pinback story that not only is not known, but perhaps some people may wish to have it remain unknown. By now I believe the statute of limitations may have expired, or perhaps more simply, no one in MLB today cares what happened 40 years ago. Then again, maybe MLB might want to make this photographer a poster child for those who defy them. I think winning the trust of this person is critical, along with perhaps the assurance of anonymity in telling the story.
By the way, I learned a lesson about these licensing laws about 10 years ago. My local minor league team hosted the league all-star game. I am friends with the GM, and asked if I could have made a 3.5" pin that listed all the teams in the league, plus some information about the all-star game itself. He said that would be great, but I could not sell them. The illegality is not the making of the merchandise, but the selling of it. So I ordered a batch of 50 pins, one for each player, one for each team GM, and a few other people. I recall it costs me about $100. I remember being a real SOB with the pinmaker, demanding the precise placement of images on the pin, and the right pattern of coloring. All minor league logos are licensed as well. As such, I did not violate the licensing laws because I did not sell the item, but the pinmaker did for selling the item to me.
ooo-ribay
04-17-2015, 10:57 AM
The mystery Cub is apparently Jose Ortiz, who played 36 games for the Cubs in 1971. That clearly dates the pin, since Ortiz was in the White Sox system in 1970
I would agree, these HAVE to be from 1971...of the 39 pins mentioned or shown, all the players are in the "right" uniform for 1971. :p
icollectDCsports
04-17-2015, 11:56 AM
I would agree, these HAVE to be from 1971...of the 39 pins mentioned or shown, all the players are in the "right" uniform for 1971. :p
The McLain with the Senators also must be from 1971.
Big Red Machine
08-22-2015, 09:03 AM
I picked up a Johnny Bench photo version of the button years ago. It appears to be vintage. I'm not sure if these photos were made available to the players to respond to fan letters.
I've been looking for the Johnny Bench button. Let me know if anyone has one for sale.
Phil
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/phil0567/img017_zpsjdeanvi2.jpg
ksfarmboy
08-22-2015, 09:29 AM
Great photo Big Red. Would love to find the Orioles player versions.
icollectDCsports
08-23-2015, 08:25 PM
Always good to see more info and examples added to this thread. Wish we could get to the bottom of who took the photos and who produced the pinback buttons.
71buc
08-25-2015, 12:34 AM
:o
ooo-ribay
08-25-2015, 10:59 AM
I picked up this smaller version of the 1971 National league Champions pins in Blue font. This post is very self serving but I would love to know if any advanced Pirate collectors have any other examples of these post season pins other than these four examples. The Blue font examples seem to be much more difficult to locate at least on the left coast as well as eBay. Although I don't consider myself an advanced Pirate collector the 1971 Bucs are a central theme to my collection. I am sure there have to be other 1971 pin back versions and would love to see them.
I have also been collecting these early 1970s pin backs. I am sure this Tom Seaver is not rare but it is the first one I have encountered so I thought I would share it incase others have not seen it.
Hey Mike-
This thread was primarily about the mostly red, blue or green background pins like the Bench. There's a discussion about all kinds of pinbacks (including what I call the "black box" pins like your Seaver) over here:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=166056&highlight=pinback (page 14)
Not trying to be an ass! :p
Rob
71buc
08-25-2015, 06:55 PM
Not an ass at all Rob, my bad completely... I wasn't paying attention as well as I should have prior to posting.
thansen30
11-21-2015, 08:40 AM
these were posted elsewhere on the forum just aggregating them here--have not seen the Palmer before.
and another example of the larger photos, as seen over Vera Clemente's shoulder.
Recently contacted the Baseball Hall of Fame and Sports Collectors Daily for examples or info, but both sources said they weren't familiar with the pins. search goes on
Mark70Z
11-21-2015, 09:09 AM
Pretty simple design, but I really do like these. Some great players represented.
Can you take another picture of the Brooks pin when you have an opportunity since I see a bunch of other O's pins surrounding "the greatest third baseman of all time"? Love to see those other O's pins!
71buc
11-29-2015, 11:09 AM
I would think it is safe to say this one could be a bit over priced?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-SCARCE-1970S-ROBERTO-CLEMENTE-PIN-/151891853044?hash=item235d75bef4:g:dmQAAOSwHQ9WUUw b
ooo-ribay
11-29-2015, 11:36 AM
I would think it is safe to say this one could be a bit over priced?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-SCARCE-1970S-ROBERTO-CLEMENTE-PIN-/151891853044?hash=item235d75bef4:g:dmQAAOSwHQ9WUUw b
At that price, I want free shipping!
Scott Garner
11-29-2015, 12:55 PM
I would think it is safe to say this one could be a bit over priced?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/INCREDIBLE-SCARCE-1970S-ROBERTO-CLEMENTE-PIN-/151891853044?hash=item235d75bef4:g:dmQAAOSwHQ9WUUw b
Hoochie, Mama! At that price can I buy multiples? :p
hcv123
11-30-2015, 11:12 AM
Rob,
Your comment about me tracing down the story behind these pins raises another dimension in being a pinback detective. I will say for the record that Howard and his connection is the only way this story will ever be known.
All the sleuthing on pins that I have ever done involved trying to tie together scattered clues from the past. I recall one person even asking me, "Why would anyone care about such stuff?" My only answer was, "I don't know, but I do."
The new dimension in this case pertains to legal issues---the selling of licensed images. This is a pinback story that not only is not known, but perhaps some people may wish to have it remain unknown. By now I believe the statute of limitations may have expired, or perhaps more simply, no one in MLB today cares what happened 40 years ago. Then again, maybe MLB might want to make this photographer a poster child for those who defy them. I think winning the trust of this person is critical, along with perhaps the assurance of anonymity in telling the story.
HI guys
1) I've been going through a separation and divorce for 2 years now and have not had the time I usually devote here.
2) I am the ebay seller offering the Clemente pin. Multiples can not be bought at any price as these pins in my experience are that scarce. I own the only 2 Clemente's I have ever seen. The only reason I am offering it for sale at all is to help fund #1 :( I hope I sell other items to raise the needed funds.
3) As far as the back story on the pins. Due to some of the potential issues mentioned in the quote above and the persons desire for privacy, I will not be using names. Parts of the story I am piecing together from 1 and 2 parties away from the source who led me there. Here goes:
The images were taken by a professional sports team photographer. Unclear if the images were done in studio or elsewhere, but the images were all originals. The photographer knew many of the ballplayers through association with the team he was photographer for. There was intention/discussion/plans, etc of getting a license. A second hand part of the story was that the person trusted to get the license gambled and lost the money that was to be used for the license. In any case, no license was ever secured. Distribution or lack thereof is a bit puzzling - I know an earlier post said he remembers them being sold outside a stadium - it is the only time I have heard that. A small batch of pins were made in advance of securing the license. I have been told (third hand)that the photographer gave them out to friends and family. The original photographer communicated to at least one person I spoke to that he was not allowed to sell the pins without a license. I have a small print of the Clemente. A large Clemente print 18x24 (This is almost certainly the same image from behind Vera's head - shown in an earlier post) sold in a Lelands auction back in 2007 (see image - clearly from the same shoot, but slightly different image - check the bat). I spoke directly with the family member of the original photographer who apparently still owns the negatives. He was very suspect of my jubilation and questions. He really didn't shed much light except confirm he has the negatives, confirm the "licensing issue", and asked not to be contacted. It seems there will remain more questions than answers about this issue.
It would be great if someone would take charge of compiling a checklist. Anyone have time, want to work on that?
I own: Clemente, Mays, McClain, Gaylord Perry. I owned a Pete Rose photo/"pin proof".
These pins are easily discernible by the high quality of the Player image set against a color background that fades to white in its center.
Hope that helps.
Howard
ooo-ribay
11-30-2015, 02:31 PM
First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:
Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins
Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio
Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer
Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss
Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)
Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.
Mays - Giants
Blue - A's
Clemente - Pirates
Seaver - Mets
Perry - Giants? (rumored)
Could be as many as 36 or 37, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.
hcv123
11-30-2015, 09:10 PM
No worries on the fun with the Clemente pin. I understand based on what other similar pins have sold for that the price seems astronomical. I know the story behind them and the likelihood that no more than a handful of any player exist. I have seen only 2 Clemente's in over 25 years of collecting (and own both currently). I have sold too many items in the past for way less than their known scarcity dictated(imo). I have found that eventually someone who really knows how scarce certain items and want to add them to their collections is willing to pay for them. I'll either have an incredibly scarce pin remain in my collection or get what I believe to be a fair price for it.
As a point of information on the checklist - I never saw a finished pin of the Rose - only a proof/photo. Did someone else report owning or seeing a Rose pin?
ooo-ribay
11-30-2015, 09:37 PM
As a point of information on the checklist - I never saw a finished pin of the Rose - only a proof/photo. Did someone else report owning or seeing a Rose pin?
No, I think you're right. I revised the list to reflect the Bench and Rose photo "proofs."
Is Gaylord Perry pictured as a GIANT? Would you mind posting a picture? If you have any thoughts of selling, please PM me.
hcv123
12-01-2015, 07:14 PM
So the Clemente is sold. I have attached pictures of the Clemente with and without autograph - the plot thickens.
Scott Garner
12-01-2015, 09:09 PM
So the Clemente is sold. I have attached pictures of the Clemente with and without autograph - the plot thickens.
WOW!! :eek: Congrats on getting your price.
ooo-ribay
12-01-2015, 09:15 PM
Good for you, Howard!
How about a picture of the Perry?
hcv123
12-02-2015, 07:50 AM
I am not sure where I put the Perry. I definitely have it. I will post when I find it.
ooo-ribay
12-02-2015, 08:24 AM
I am not sure where I put the Perry. I definitely have it. I will post when I find it.
When you find it, you might want to sell it to me. ;)
hcv123
12-02-2015, 11:55 AM
When you find it, you might want to sell it to me. ;)
:cool:
71buc
12-02-2015, 11:36 PM
First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:
Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins
Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio
Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer
Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss
Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)
Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.
Mays - Giants
Blue - A's
Clemente - Pirates
Seaver - Mets
Perry - Giants? (rumored)
Could be as many as 36 or 37, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.
I just came across this photo of Pirate coach Frank Oceak in a SABR article. http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/0d29600d I can't imagine Frank was destined to be on a pinback. So perhaps the "photo proofs" were really just photos never destined to be pinbacks? The Oceak photo was provided for the article "courtesy of the Pittsburgh Pirates". Perhaps this photographer was a Pirate team photographer?
hcv123
12-03-2015, 07:09 AM
I just came across this photo of Pirate coach Frank Oceak in a SABR article. http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/0d29600d I can't imagine Frank was destined to be on a pinback. So perhaps the "photo proofs" were really just photos never destined to be pinbacks? The Oceak photo was provided for the article "courtesy of the Pittsburgh Pirates". Perhaps this photographer was a Pirate team photographer?
I heard something about a dinner back in the early 70's at which there were some blowups of Clemente (and perhaps other Pirates?). Supposedly those images still exist somewhere. The photographer was not the Pirates team photographer - Les Banos was the team photographer.
The Rose "proof" that I had was small and square - approximately "pin size". The Clemente print I have is larger - I think 3x5. Whoever has the Bench - what are the measurements?
ooo-ribay
12-03-2015, 06:20 PM
I'm now wondering about the background colors, too. Did the photographer have pinkish, blue, green, etc. backdrops or were colors somehow added after the photos were taken in front of a, say, white background?
ooo-ribay
12-03-2015, 06:26 PM
The Rose "proof" that I had was small and square - approximately "pin size". The Clemente print I have is larger - I think 3x5. Whoever has the Bench - what are the measurements?
Bench is not mine, but judging from the fingerprint in the lower right, I'm gonna guess 4x6 or 5x7.
thansen30
12-05-2015, 05:54 AM
I bought my Joe Pepitone pin at Wrigley Field in 1971--I can't recall whether it was inside the ballpark or at a stand outside the park, but i DO recall purchasing it from a concessions stand after a game. That's what got me started on this damn thing in the first place.
About the backgrounds--it's highly unlikely that the backgrounds were retouched to alter the colors. The "technology" was too limited back then, and given the odd nature of this product i doubt the creator would have invested the time and effort to alter the backgrounds via composite or retouching. I do think they were shot against a colored background (a "sweep" in photo terms).
i've always wondered if the photographer got players as they came through his town, shot in a studio setting with multiple backdrop sweeps available (that's standard for commercial photo studios--they typically have dozens on hand), but everyone seems to be shot in their "home" jerseys, and it's unlikely that teams would have brought home uniforms with them on the road.
The Pepitone pin shows him wearing road pants and home jersey. Maybe these were shot during spring training (very likely) in either FLA or AZ . . . or both
whiteymet
01-14-2016, 12:19 PM
Hi Guys:
I just picked up the Billy Conigliaro pin from this super tough set. I will be posting it on the B/S/T forum.
Sorry for the bad photo!
PM me if interested.
Fred
Cliff Bowman
02-01-2016, 09:50 PM
For what it's worth, the seven 1971 Cubs stadium pinbacks I have--most are 3" and matte; two are 3.5" and glossy
Here is a 3" Don Kessinger. I have seen the Ernie Banks pin from this set but I don't have any photos of it. I also have the 3.5" versions of Glenn Beckert and Joe Pepitone.
thansen30
08-27-2016, 03:40 PM
at long last, here is the Ernie Banks pin. 3" this is the only copy i've seen after years of wondering!
Scott Garner
08-27-2016, 05:54 PM
at long last, here is the Ernie Banks pin. 3" this is the only copy i've seen after years of wondering!
Congrats Tom!
ooo-ribay
01-27-2017, 02:33 PM
I own: Clemente, Mays, McClain, Gaylord Perry.
Bump. I still want to see the Gaylord Perry. I have an ebay search for it but still don't know if it really exists.
DeafSports
01-27-2017, 10:02 PM
I would love to see a scan on Seaver. Only one mets pin? I would imagine they would make few especially after winning the pennant in 1969.
Nice stuff and thread!
ooo-ribay
03-02-2017, 04:50 PM
Here's the super rare Friars Cub pin using the Willie Mays image from this series.
Hammered? Oh, yeah. Happy to have it? Oh, yeah.
FAScINATING STUFF... is there a more modern 80s Giants or other Pinback thread?
ooo-ribay
08-15-2018, 08:23 PM
FAScINATING STUFF... is there a more modern 80s Giants or other Pinback thread?
Not per se, but 50+ pages of pin info here and links to some other pin threads, within.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=166056
Not per se, but 50+ pages of pin info here and links to some other pin threads, within.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=166056
Thanks I will post my meager stuff... maybe one you dont have (but I doubt it):D
thansen30
11-11-2019, 09:42 AM
stumbled upon this just now in a 2006 Mastro auction catalog. maybe the same item in Howard's earlier post. Different take than the one used in the pin but maybe the same shoot? Who knows
ksfarmboy
11-11-2019, 11:08 AM
Here’s another Pirate player we can add as far as photos go.
jimtigers65
11-11-2019, 09:09 PM
Here's the super rare Friars Cub pin using the Willie Mays image from this series.
Hammered? Oh, yeah. Happy to have it? Oh, yeah.
Always enjoy seeing what you have. Thanks for sharing your collection.
Cliff Bowman
11-13-2019, 09:54 AM
Here’s another Pirate player we can add as far as photos go.
Jackie Hernandez?
ksfarmboy
11-13-2019, 10:21 AM
Jackie Hernandez?
Yes it’s Hernandez.
ooo-ribay
11-13-2019, 05:04 PM
I'm glad this thread got revived. Still waiting to see the rumored Gaylord Perry...
ksfarmboy
11-13-2019, 05:13 PM
I did find a picture of a Lee Richard pin of the White Sox. The photo is too small to post but it was one previously unknown at least on this thread.
thansen30
11-19-2019, 04:31 PM
have never seen a white sox player in this series--would love to see that pin regardless of the lo-res!
ksfarmboy
11-19-2019, 04:55 PM
Here you go Tom. If you search Tom Seaver button or pin on goggle you can find that one too. I found this one searching Ernie Banks pin. You can see it better that way.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ernie+banks+pin&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj6wujJuvflAhVRZKwKHeqtCqEQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=ernie+banks+pin&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3...135553.138588..138851...1.0..0.88.586.9... ...0....1.........41j0i24j33i299j0j0i8i30.6zU7SWdR JIk&ei=oX7UXbruF9HIsQXq26qICg&bih=606&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=sinv#imgrc=WwpATWEQ0V-qCM
ksfarmboy
11-19-2019, 04:58 PM
Here’s the Seaver
https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+seaver+pin&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj5somRvfflAhVQUKwKHS2QBpEQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=tom+seaver+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.1.0.41j0l5.12570.18528..19778...0.0..0.96.1526 .25......0....1.......96..0i8i30j0i24j0i67j0i131i6 7j0i3.ZmG898koji0&ei=T4HUXbnPKtCgsQWtoJqICQ&bih=606&biw=414&client=safari&prmd=sinv#imgrc=gTVhcFYm7-lYiM
ooo-ribay
11-19-2019, 08:16 PM
First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:
Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins
Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio
Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer
Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss
Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)
White Sox - Richard
Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.
Mays - Giants
Blue - A's
Clemente - Pirates
Seaver - Mets
Perry - Giants? (rumored)
Could be as many as 37 or 38, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.
Updated with Lee Richard
Cliff Bowman
11-20-2019, 06:03 AM
Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.
ooo-ribay
11-20-2019, 08:07 AM
First of all, Howard, sorry if we were having fun with your price on the Clemente pin. I'm not sure you'll get it, but good luck. I had actually scribbled down a list, earlier, from this thread. Here's what I came up with:
Cubs - Pepitone, Santo, Williams, Hands, Popovich, Ortiz, Beckert, Jenkins, Hundley
Red Sox - Scott, Conigliaro, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Josephson, Griffin, Culp, Yaz, Aparicio
Orioles - Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson, Palmer
Brewers - May, Bristol, Walton, Saunders, Harper, Hogan, Koslo, Loockwood, Pattin, Joss
Senators - McClain and Howard (rumored)
Reds - Rose and Bench photo proofs seen, but not actual pins.
Mays - Giants
Blue - A's
Clemente - Pirates
Seaver - Mets
Perry - Giants? (rumored)
Could be as many as 38 or 39, with definitely more when you count the variations in size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph.
Updated.
Chris Counts
11-20-2019, 09:08 AM
I somehow missed this thread during its first eight years, but I discovered it about two weeks ago. After reading it, I decided I needed one of these beauties for my completely unfocused collection, so I dove into eBay to see what I could find. I really have no idea what they are worth. My search (I tried many keywords) turned up only two of them, an Ernie Banks for $250 and a Vida Blue for $30. Since Vida was one of my boyhood favorites, the choice was easy.
Cliff Bowman
11-20-2019, 11:03 AM
Updated.
Ernie Banks and Don Kessinger are confirmed as Cubs.
Scott Garner
11-20-2019, 11:34 AM
I somehow missed this thread during its first eight years, but I discovered it about two weeks ago. After reading it, I decided I needed one of these beauties for my completely unfocused collection, so I dove into eBay to see what I could find. I really have no idea what they are worth. My search (I tried many keywords) turned up only two of them, an Ernie Banks for $250 and a Vida Blue for $30. Since Vida was one of my boyhood favorites, the choice was easy.
Hi Chris,
Here is your boy, Vida Blue in 2019. I liked him as well, BTW
A friend of mine just did a private signing with him a couple of months ago.
Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.
There is a Milt Pappas.
Cliff Bowman
11-20-2019, 12:01 PM
There is a Milt Pappas.
Fantastic! There should be a Jim Hickman and a Johnny Callison, unless they didn’t want to participate that day.
thansen30
11-20-2019, 12:02 PM
mind blown. I have scoured Chicago-area card shows for several decades looking for these pins and have never seen a White Sox player. This mystery just keeps getting better!
thansen30
11-20-2019, 12:03 PM
i'd say that IS Milt Pappas on the side of that guy's hat . . .
ooo-ribay
11-20-2019, 12:04 PM
OK....so I'm a little OCD. :p
Here's the updated updated, properly alphabetized and sub-alphabetized.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 41 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
ooo-ribay
11-20-2019, 12:11 PM
I somehow missed this thread during its first eight years, but I discovered it about two weeks ago. After reading it, I decided I needed one of these beauties for my completely unfocused collection, so I dove into eBay to see what I could find. I really have no idea what they are worth. My search (I tried many keywords) turned up only two of them, an Ernie Banks for $250 and a Vida Blue for $30. Since Vida was one of my boyhood favorites, the choice was easy.
Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:
Cliff Bowman
11-20-2019, 01:51 PM
Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:
A seller recently had the 3 1/2” version of the Ernie Banks up on eBay, I tried to snipe $300 but was outbid :mad:.
ooo-ribay
11-20-2019, 02:40 PM
A seller recently had the 3 1/2” version of the Ernie Banks up on eBay, I tried to snipe $300 but was outbid :mad:.
Wow ! :eek:
Something tells me a Doug Griffin brings a little less. ;)
Add another one to the Cubs checklist, that's a 3" inch Randy Hundley pin in that scan. I believe there is a Ken Holtzman 3" pin, there was a negative that was on eBay a few years ago that was described by the seller as being used for a pin. There is also a mystery pin on this guys hat in Wrigley Field from a 1973 photo, it's the one to the left of the Popovich pin. Anyone have an idea who the player is? Possibly Milt Pappas? The others known are Ernie Banks, Glenn Beckert, Bill Hands, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Jose Ortiz (need), Paul Popovich, Ron Santo, Billy Williams. The 3 1/2" versions that I know of are Ernie Banks (need), Glenn Beckert, Joe Pepitone, Ron Santo.
There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.
Cliff Bowman
11-21-2019, 12:04 AM
There are two different versions of the 3.5 inch Billy Williams.
Yes, the second Williams pin is the type I am referring to (assuming it has the metal back rather than the cardboard easel back), thanks for confirming it exists.
ooo-ribay
11-24-2019, 09:01 PM
delete
ooo-ribay
11-27-2019, 09:26 PM
Kicking myself right now...
A few years back I saw a bunch of these in a bin, a buck each or so, at a twice-annual Peddler's Faire in Coarsegold, CA.
Kick yourself a little more. This guy just went for $411 on ebay.
71buc
11-28-2019, 12:39 AM
I paid $500 for mine a couple of years ago. I was after this one too but couldn't pull the trigger for a duplicate. For what its worth, I believe this is only the 4th one of these I have ever seen. There is also a version that does not have the autograph. I have only seen one of those.
ooo-ribay
11-28-2019, 09:28 AM
Also, FWIW, I think these can be narrowed done to 1969-72 based on the players included.
thansen30
11-29-2019, 05:21 AM
i passed on that clemente because of the back: it is stamped with something like "pat pending made in USA" and the pin bracket is different than any other i've seen. that makes it the only pin from this "series" with any kind of stamping on it. odd.
Cliff Bowman
11-29-2019, 07:42 AM
i passed on that clemente because of the back: it is stamped with something like "pat pending made in USA" and the pin bracket is different than any other i've seen. that makes it the only pin from this "series" with any kind of stamping on it. odd.
That Clemente is the glossy 3 1/2" version, it matches up perfectly with the three Cubs glossy 3 1/2" pins that I have, Beckert, Pepitone, and Santo. The one on the left is the Clemente, the one on the right is an Ernie Banks that I was outbid on.
thansen30
11-29-2019, 08:26 AM
Upon further review, all of my 3.5" glossy examples DO have that stamping. so that clemente fits right in with the other 3.5"s ...
71buc
11-29-2019, 05:51 PM
The seller of the Clemente Pinback sold this Seaver last night for $103.50
Scott Garner
11-29-2019, 06:07 PM
The seller of the Clemente Pinback sold this Seaver last night for $103.50
Great looking Seaver!
thansen30
12-05-2019, 10:48 AM
. . . and the buyer of that Seaver was me. More than i wanted to spend, but a great self-serve Christmas gift!
whiteymet
12-05-2019, 02:53 PM
Hi Guys:
I have a Billy Conigliaro pin from this set. Open to offers PM me. Sorry for the bad photo
Cliff Bowman
12-05-2019, 10:19 PM
OK....so I'm a little OCD. :p
Here's the updated updated, properly alphabetized and sub-alphabetized.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 41 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.
ooo-ribay
12-06-2019, 08:35 AM
A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.
Awesome! He was only a Dodger in 1971, so is that THE year?
If anyone ever runs into any of the guys in this set, they should ask that guy if they remember anything about these photo shoots. Who, when, where?
ooo-ribay
12-06-2019, 08:51 AM
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 42 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 42 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
The mystery just keeps getting bigger. One might think there is some connection to the Chicago area given the large number of Cubs and Brewers. There’s a pin of Jose Ortiz for goodness sakes! Talk about obscure. Yet the White Sox only have Lee Richard. Another obscure player. And the Red Sox are well represented. One Met and one Dodger now known and no Yankees. Very strange. Looking forward to seeing if more examples surface.
ooo-ribay
12-06-2019, 11:00 AM
The mystery just keeps getting bigger. One might think there is some connection to the Chicago area given the large number of Cubs and Brewers. There’s a pin of Jose Ortiz for goodness sakes! Talk about obscure. Yet the White Sox only have Lee Richard. Another obscure player. And the Red Sox are well represented. One Met and one Dodger now known and no Yankees. Very strange. Looking forward to seeing if more examples surface.
Lotsa Red Sox. too. :confused:
Duluth Eskimo
12-06-2019, 04:15 PM
I’m sure one of you guys saw this, but there was a Cubs player button from this series that was pinned on a pennant I came across. There was another button too, but not from this series. It was on eBay last week I believe.
I’m sure one of you guys saw this, but there was a Cubs player button from this series that was pinned on a pennant I came across. There was another button too, but not from this series. It was on eBay last week I believe.
I saw it. I think it was Kessinger. Not positive, but I know it wasn’t one we haven’t seen before.
Duluth Eskimo
12-06-2019, 09:49 PM
I think you’re right.
ooo-ribay
12-06-2019, 10:27 PM
Don't know if the Banks price is out of line. Mays is rare and expensive, as well. Here's the three Mays:
I also have a Mays w/o signature.
ksfarmboy
12-07-2019, 06:06 AM
I also have a Mays w/o signature.
Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂
Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.
Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂
Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.
Here’s the Cubs I have.
ooo-ribay
12-07-2019, 12:16 PM
Rob, post it or it doesn’t exist.😂
Wish we had a montage of all the pins by team to go with our list. I really like looking at them. Beautiful little items.
I obviously wish I had a better one with signature. Both are 3" matte finish.
ksfarmboy
12-07-2019, 12:58 PM
Mike that’s a good start! Rob those are amazing. Thanks for sharing guys! I’ll post the Orioles group I have tomorrow.
ooo-ribay
12-12-2019, 09:13 PM
A new team and new player just popped up on eBay, a 3.5" glossy pin of Rich Allen with the Dodgers.
89 bucks for Allen. I never even knew he was a D**ger. :eek:
Cliff Bowman
12-13-2019, 09:46 AM
89 bucks for Allen. I never even knew he was a D**ger. :eek:
The 1971 Billy Williams 3.5" glossy pin from the same seller sold for $130, I would have bid a lot more on it but I wanted to make sure that I won the 1970 MLBPA b&w pin of Johnny Callison from the same seller that unfortunately ended after the Williams pin and I had no idea how high the bidding would go on it. At least I finally got the Callison Cubs pin after several years of getting outbid on it and replaced my 1970 Randy Hundley MLBPA b&w pin that rusted out on me from that estate auction.
Cliff Bowman
12-13-2019, 09:57 AM
Someone got a wonderful early Christmas present on this $15 eBay Buy-It-Now :mad:. I don't know how many times over the years on eBay I have seen an uninformed seller lose big money on a way too low Buy-It-Now or if someone who knows what the item is really worth gives them a lowball offer and they take it. I admit that I have taken advantage of both when I have had the opportunity so I guess I can't complain.
bocca001
12-13-2019, 10:21 AM
Not sure if you guys have discussed this or not, but the mark on the back of this pin indicates that it was made by ASCO (who also made pennants, and is discussed in the pennant blog below).
https://pennantfever.weebly.com
ooo-ribay
12-13-2019, 01:00 PM
Someone got a wonderful early Christmas present on this $15 eBay Buy-It-Now :mad:. I don't know how many times over the years on eBay I have seen an uninformed seller lose big money on a way too low Buy-It-Now or if someone who knows what the item is really worth gives them a lowball offer and they take it. I admit that I have taken advantage of both when I have had the opportunity so I guess I can't complain.
Who is that? Jose Ortiz?
Cliff Bowman
12-13-2019, 02:06 PM
Who is that? Jose Ortiz?
Yes, worth 99 cents to most collectors but worth way more than that to a few.
thansen30
12-14-2019, 06:36 AM
That ASCO clue is the first progress we've had towards tracking down the origins. But, that mark only appears on the large, glossy versions--there are no markings at all on the smaller pins. Makes me think the small ones were released in 1971 (not by ASCO) and the larger pins reproduced and released by ASCO later . . .
Cliff Bowman
12-16-2019, 09:54 PM
I figured that there was more than likely a 1971 Johnny Callison Cubs pin in this set, and while searching vintage Cubs pins on Google I stumbled upon Heritage Auctions Past Sales and found a couple of interesting scans. I also found a previously unknown (to me anyway) Randy Hundley 1973 black box pin, but that belongs in the other pins thread.
ooo-ribay
12-17-2019, 07:54 AM
I figured that there was more than likely a 1971 Johnny Callison Cubs pin in this set, and while searching vintage Cubs pins on Google I stumbled upon Heritage Auctions Past Sales and found a couple of interesting scans. I also found a previously unknown (to me anyway) Randy Hundley 1973 black box pin, but that belongs in the other pins thread.
Great find, Cliff. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wastes time with memorabilia searches on Google. What did that huge lot go for?
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 43 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Cliff Bowman
12-17-2019, 08:42 AM
Great find, Cliff. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who wastes time with memorabilia searches on Google. What did that huge lot go for?
Each scan was a separate lot, both lots were won back in April 2012 on Heritage, the cooler lot with this Callison pin went for $227 with BP and the other lot went for $179 with BP. Whenever I have looked at past sales of cool items from auction houses before I would often be shocked at how little they went for, I always believed they would have gone much higher if they were on eBay because there would be many more interested eyes on them. I'm sure that I have missed out on many rare underpriced items that I need over the years from these auction houses because I had no idea they were available and I am not signed up with any auction houses.
ooo-ribay
12-17-2019, 12:16 PM
Gotta think there was “break value” in both those lots.
Cliff Bowman
12-23-2019, 11:51 PM
While searching WorthPoint for possible star and semi star pins for this set that haven't been documented yet the last thing I expected to find were three new White Sox players, Tommy John, Bill Melton, and Rick Reichardt. I have a feeling there are more White Sox players to be found.
Cliff Bowman
12-24-2019, 12:04 AM
At least this one isn't a White Sox player, here's a scan of Frank Howard from WorthPoint to confirm that it exists.
Cliff Bowman
12-24-2019, 12:33 AM
Found another Sox player but this one is Red, Sonny Siebert.
hcv123
12-25-2019, 12:45 PM
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=166056&page=6
There are references to these pins starting form post 125 in the linked thread. I believe there are 2 different Red Sox issues - 1 that is part of the issue being discussed ( I owned a Yaz) and one that look similar, but was different and is a bit more plentiful - partially explaining why people tend to see more Red Sox that they believe are part of this issue. The image quality is not as good on the alternative Red Sox one.
Chris Counts
12-25-2019, 01:34 PM
Not only has this thread inspired me to start collecting pinbacks and buttons, but is has me interested in two other sets from the 1970s, including one that continued on into the 1980s.
I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978. The Oscar Gamble button and a couple hundred others likely come from about 1978 to 1981. There are others that clearly come from later than 1981, but the photos aren't nearly as good.
By the way, the early 1970s set, with the black nameplates, includes some of the same Cubs images as the 1971 set.
Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris
Cliff Bowman
12-25-2019, 01:48 PM
Just about burned out looking for these on WorthPoint but did find another Brewer, Phil Roof.
Cliff Bowman
12-25-2019, 02:06 PM
I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978. The Oscar Gamble button and a couple hundred others likely come from about 1978 to 1981. There are others that clearly come from later than 1981, but the photos aren't nearly as good.
Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris
A member here, DaClyde, has an excellent checklist of the 1978-198? numbered baseball pins including the Hall Of Fame set, I have contributed a few to it as I find them on the internet. https://clydes-stalecards.blogspot.com/2016/06/hobby-archaeology-1978-sports-photo.html
Cliff Bowman
12-25-2019, 03:47 PM
By the way, the early 1970s set, with the black nameplates, includes some of the same Cubs images as the 1971 set
You're right, they also reused the images on the Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, and Billy Williams pins. I wouldn't be surprised if they also did it with at least Glenn Beckert. Note that both Jenkins and Kessinger have their names misspelled.
ooo-ribay
12-25-2019, 04:39 PM
You are "on it," Cliff! Latest list looks like:
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
You're right, they also reused the images on the Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, and Billy Williams pins. I wouldn't be surprised if they also did it with at least Glenn Beckert. Note that both Jenkins and Kessinger have their names misspelled.
But there were two different poses of Kessinger.
Cliff Bowman
12-25-2019, 08:19 PM
But there were two different poses of Kessinger.
Yes, there were two different pins of a handful of Cubs, Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Rick Monday, and Ron Santo. My theory is that one of each are 1973 issues and the other half are 1974 issues. I believe the misspelled Hooton, misspelled Kessinger, misspelled Jenkins (Cubs), Santo (Cubs), closeup Cardenal, and closeup Monday are 1973 issues, and the correct Hooton, correct Kessinger, correct Jenkins (Rangers), Santo (White Sox), wide shot Cardenal, and wide shot Monday are 1974 issues.
Yes, there were two different pins of a handful of Cubs, Jose Cardenal, Burt Hooton, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Rick Monday, and Ron Santo. My theory is that one of each are 1973 issues and the other half are 1974 issues. I believe the misspelled Hooton, misspelled Kessinger, misspelled Jenkins (Cubs), Santo (Cubs), closeup Cardenal, and closeup Monday are 1973 issues, and the correct Hooton, correct Kessinger, correct Jenkins (Rangers), Santo (White Sox), wide shot Cardenal, and wide shot Monday are 1974 issues.
Yes, but they used the same photo for the Cardenal, Hooten, Monday pins in the other issues, but the Kessinger is an entirely different pose. The Jenkins and Santo changed teams so they had to use different photos.
ooo-ribay
12-31-2019, 10:46 AM
Not only has this thread inspired me to start collecting pinbacks and buttons, but is has me interested in two other sets from the 1970s, including one that continued on into the 1980s.
I'm surprised by how little information I can find online about any of these sets. Although both seem to be far more common than the c. 1971 set discussed in this thread, distribution appears uneven. The Clemente button posted below comes from an early 1970s set, while Monte Irvin seems to be from 1978.
Can anybody tell more about these, or point me toward a link for more information? Thanks, Chris
A checklist of the HOF pins. I collect only Giants. Mays and Irvin can be found most everyday on ebay. Marichal is tough, Mize tougher and I'm still looking for a Wilhelm.
3” HOF Pins from Cooperstown
1 Babe Ruth
2 Lou Gehrig
3 Jackie Robinson
4 Hank Greenberg
5 Lou Boudreau
6 Al Kaline
7 Stan Musial
8 Yogi Berra
9 Ernie Banks
10 Ed Mathews
11 Whitey Ford
12 Bob Feller
13 Monte Irvin
14 Roy Campanella
15 Roberto Clemente
16 Bob Lemon
17 Sandy Koufax
18 Willie Mays
19 Bob Gibson
20 Duke Snider
21 Robin Roberts
22 Joe DiMaggio
23 Ted Williams
24 Mickey Mantle
25 Brooks Robinson
26 Frank Robinson
27 Hank Aaron
28 Juan Marichal
29 George Kell
30 Walter Alston
31 Jack Brickhouse
32 Harmon Killebrew
33 Pee Wee Reese
34 Luis Aparicio
35 Don Drysdale
36 ???????
37 Enos Slaughter
38 Johnny Mize
39 Hoyt Wilhelm
40 Lou Brock
Cliff Bowman
01-11-2020, 05:01 PM
Just an excuse to get this thread back on the first page, but here is a scan of what I believe is the only one of the fifty confirmed 1971 pins to not have been shown yet on the two pin threads, Marty Pattin, along with the other known Brewers.
Cliff Bowman
01-12-2020, 06:17 PM
I noticed that the 1971 Tommy Harper doesn’t have a facsimile signature, all of the other pins do, including versions of the Clemente and the Mays. I wonder if whoever took the photos required the players to sign their names on a sheet of paper so that they can then use the signature on the pins, like Topps did on their sets that had the signatures.
hcv123
01-12-2020, 08:39 PM
I noticed that the 1971 Tommy Harper doesn’t have a facsimile signature, all of the other pins do, including versions of the Clemente and the Mays. I wonder if whoever took the photos required the players to sign their names on a sheet of paper so that they can then use the signature on the pins, like Topps did on their sets that had the signatures.
It exists with and without a signature. I believe same for the Mays, but I am not positive.
ooo-ribay
01-12-2020, 09:13 PM
It exists with and without a signature. I believe same for the Mays, but I am not positive.
Last page; post #128.
Mark70Z
01-16-2020, 02:39 PM
Posted for Clint (ksfarmboy)
381556
Are there other “black box” pins with the team name missing?
Cliff Bowman
01-22-2020, 09:50 AM
Are there other “black box” pins with the team name missing?
The only ones I ran across searching for them on the web were a handful of Fred Lynn and Jim Rice pins with some B&W and at least one of both of them on the pin together, none of them had BOSTON or RED SOX printed on them so I decided not to add them to the checklist. They would have to be 1975 at the earliest.
Cliff Bowman
02-23-2020, 01:24 PM
I was watching King Of The Hill on YouTube, a documentary about Fergie Jenkins and the 1972 Cubs, when I noticed on one of the videos to the right a screen shot of Steve Blass that caught my eye. It was a documentary about the 1971 Pirates and the screen shot was obviously from the studio setting that these 1971 pins used. I figured I would watch the whole thing to see if they used any other photos from the studio setting and sure enough I spotted three more, Bill Mazeroski, Bob Robertson, and Vic Davalillo. Apparently many of the Pirates posed for these photos but the only one known made into a pin is Roberto Clemente.
ooo-ribay
02-23-2020, 04:26 PM
Very cool find, Eagle Eye! :D
I was watching King Of The Hill on YouTube, a documentary about Fergie Jenkins and the 1972 Cubs, when I noticed on one of the videos to the right a screen shot of Steve Blass that caught my eye. It was a documentary about the 1971 Pirates and the screen shot was obviously from the studio setting that these 1971 pins used. I figured I would watch the whole thing to see if they used any other photos from the studio setting and sure enough I spotted three more, Bill Mazeroski, Bob Robertson, and Vic Davalillo. Apparently many of the Pirates posed for these photos but the only one known made into a pin is Roberto Clemente.
Do you think someone used the photos without the photographer’s permission and was ordered to stop mid production?
ksfarmboy
02-23-2020, 05:37 PM
Great find Cliff!
ooo-ribay
02-23-2020, 06:11 PM
Do you think someone used the photos without the photographer’s permission and was ordered to stop mid production?
I think that is entirely possibe.
Or not. ;)
hcv123
02-23-2020, 08:19 PM
I think that is entirely possibe.
Or not. ;)
I shared much of the back story on the pins a while back (in this thread I think). Another piece to the story is there was a dinner in Pittsburgh celebrating the Pirates WS victory and there were a number of the Pirates shot by this photographer that were blown up to use for the dinner. I don't know which Pirates were included and which not. But there were a bunch that were definitely photographed by the same photographer. I have not seen any other Pirate pins(but Clemente).
Cliff Bowman
04-16-2020, 05:17 PM
No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.
No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.
I saw that lot on ebay. You got a good deal. I considered going for it even though I didn’t need any of them just to resell, but I’m glad you got it to add to your collection. I need a couple of the ones you need so if they ever come up, we will probably fight it out. 😂
Cliff Bowman
04-16-2020, 06:04 PM
I saw that lot on ebay. You got a good deal. I considered going for it even though I didn’t need any of them just to resell, but I’m glad you got it to add to your collection. I need a couple of the ones you need so if they ever come up, we will probably fight it out. 😂
I was shocked it went for that little. Apparently the guy who has killed me on these Cubs pins over the past nine months or so, Mr. Big, didn't need or want any of them.
ooo-ribay
04-16-2020, 06:28 PM
No new ones but I picked up a couple of Cubs I needed, a 3.5" Billy Williams and a 3" Milt Pappas, from an eBay Cubs pins lot auction. From what is known to exist, I now need the 3.5" Ernie Banks, 3" Johnny Callison, 3" Randy Hundley, and the elusive 3" Jose Ortiz. The lot also came with a signed 3" Paul Popovich. I'm not into signed items of what I collect and would prefer them not to be, but it was a very well done job by Mr. Popovich in some sort of silver ink or paint.
I have a Johnny Mize HOF pin that was autographed. The sig wiped off super easily.....but I don’t remember what “solvent” I used. :rolleyes:
Isopropyl alcohol, maybe?
thansen30
05-29-2020, 04:13 PM
from a 2018 Hake's auction of Paul Muchinski pins, we can now add Maury Wills to the list
Cliff Bowman
05-29-2020, 06:41 PM
That's awesome! A second Dodger. I'm guessing it's a 3" version in juxtaposition to the pin on the left of it.
Cliff Bowman
05-29-2020, 07:00 PM
I have a Johnny Mize HOF pin that was autographed. The sig wiped off super easily.....but I don’t remember what “solvent” I used. :rolleyes:
Isopropyl alcohol, maybe?
There was a 1969 MLB 3.5" Ron Santo color pin that I need on eBay for the longest time a couple of years ago, the problem was that is was signed by Santo in sharpie or magic marker and the seller wanted $400 for it. When he eventually came down to $300 I decided that I was going to buy it and try to remove the signature from the clear plastic cover on the pin. Unfortunately someone else got it while I was putting $300 together at the time. It's just as well, I would have dreaded trying to remove Santo's signature. I still need that pin :mad:. The scan is from WorthPoint.
thansen30
05-31-2020, 06:36 AM
also I love that Santo appears to be wearing Glenn Beckert's helmet on that pin . . .
71buc
06-06-2020, 10:49 AM
Occassionally I lose my collecting focus and wander off in a different direction. I am considering collecting these pins as they are not as pedestrian as many of the other 1970s pins. I have the Clemente and would like to add the other Hall of Famers. The Clemente is obviously difficult to find. Does anyone have any insight into the relative rarity of the rest?
ooo-ribay
06-06-2020, 03:13 PM
Occassionally I lose my collecting focus and wander off in a different direction. I am considering collecting these pins as they are not as pedestrian as many of the other 1970s pins. I have the Clemente and would like to add the other Hall of Famers. The Clemente is obviously difficult to find. Does anyone have any insight into the relative rarity of the rest?
Hall of Famers? Mays is super tough (and expensive).
ooo-ribay
06-06-2020, 03:24 PM
Without doing any real research....based on my "gut"....the Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Who needs to be added/deleted?
71buc
06-06-2020, 07:11 PM
Thanks Rob, I picked up an Ernie Banks and Frank Robinson last week. I see 11 total HOF members total on the list of known pins. Are any of them more difficult to find than the others?
ooo-ribay
06-06-2020, 07:38 PM
Thanks Rob, I picked up an Ernie Banks and Frank Robinson last week. I see 11 total HOF members total on the list of known pins. Are any of them more difficult to find than the others?
Not sure. Nothing matters except the Giants! :p
71buc
06-12-2020, 07:10 PM
Sorry Rob no Giants or Bucs for that matter! I picked up these two last week they arrived today.
thansen30
06-14-2020, 02:23 PM
looks like you got the 3" matte Ernie Banks and the 3.5" glossy Robinson.
I consider the 3" version to be the "standard" for this series, based on the theory that the pin I bought outside of Wrigley in 1971 was the 3" Pepitone.
you'll notice that the 3.5" versions aren't as sharp, and have a gloss laminate on them; also there is an additional 3.5" version that uses different signatures; these are decidedly inferior, especially when you compare them with the 3" beauties with the brown ink signatures
ALL of them are scarce, frankly. some of the players listed above are evidenced by only a single known example
71buc
06-14-2020, 02:52 PM
Thanks for the information. You are correct the Banks image is much more defined and clear. My Clemente is the same size as the Robinson and has the cover. I know there is a version without the autograph. Do you know if it comes in a smaller version as well?
thansen30
06-15-2020, 07:34 AM
Don't know for sure about the Clemente, having never even seen one IRL. but it APPEARS that there is a 3" version . . .
Cliff Bowman
06-15-2020, 01:00 PM
Without doing any real research....based on my "gut"....the Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Who needs to be added/deleted?
Luis Aparicio and Billy Williams are HOFer’s , Vida Blue, Boog Powell, and Frank Howard are not. Also, Tom Hansen discovered the Maury Wills Dodgers pin recently and it needs to be added to the checklist.
ooo-ribay
06-15-2020, 01:54 PM
Luis Aparicio and Billy Williams are HOFer’s , Vida Blue, Boog Powell, and Frank Howard are not.
But Harold Baines is. SMH.
New list:
Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen, Wills.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 50 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Who needs to be added/deleted?
Cliff Bowman
06-15-2020, 02:14 PM
But Harold Baines is. SMH.
If Baines was in this set would you have bolded him? :D
Cliff Bowman
02-24-2021, 10:45 AM
Time to update the checklist, ooo-ribay. I figured that there were more White Sox considering how many Cubs there are, and I found a eBay listing where someone got a steal on a large lot of them, $30. I would have been sick if it was Cubs instead. The new players are Mike Andrews, Tom Bradley, and Ed Hermann. I would suspect there are a few more White Sox to be discovered. ETA: I just noticed that the White Sox pins have severe rusting on the back but it was still a good deal.
ooo-ribay
02-24-2021, 01:59 PM
New list:
Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen, Wills.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 53 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Bobmc
02-26-2021, 09:47 AM
Rob,
An addition to your list:
Scott Garner
02-26-2021, 10:08 AM
Rob,
An addition to your list:
Nice Joe Horlen, Bob! How big is this pinback?
Keep an eye out for one of these Bad Boys for me...
Bobmc
02-26-2021, 10:37 AM
Scott,
Thank you.
Will do!
This is the first one I've ever seen. I didn't even know one existed. It's 3 inches.
ooo-ribay
02-26-2021, 01:50 PM
New list:
Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen, Wills.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, Horlen, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 54 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Cliff Bowman
01-21-2022, 11:40 PM
Already known and not in hand yet, I spotted it on eBay with a very reasonable Buy-It-Now and couldn't hit the PayPal payment possibly any faster. I still need Johnny Callison, Jose Ortiz, and the 3.5" Ernie Banks, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Ken Holtzman or a Jim Hickman are eventually discovered.
thansen30
01-24-2022, 10:09 AM
fantastic find! eBay did NOT alert me to this special nugget. (or the white sox specimens posted last year). sigh. lends hope that there are others
ooo-ribay
01-25-2022, 06:44 AM
I love this series of pins….so random and mysterious.
I’d still like to see a picture of the rumored Gaylord Perry pin a member claims to have (or have had). I’m not really convinced that one exists.
thansen30
01-25-2022, 07:13 AM
I went to the Chicago NATIONAL in August (2021) specifically seeking out more of these pins. I brought a sample along to jog vendors' memories . . . and didn't find a single example. They seem to be getting harder to find!
Chris Counts
01-25-2022, 09:17 AM
After discovering these pins a few years ago through this thread, and searching high and low, I've found exactly three of them, so I have no doubt they are tough. A couple weeks ago, I missed a Jim Palmer pin with a BIN by just seconds ...
71buc
02-14-2022, 03:34 AM
A collector in a Clemente Facebook group just shared this pic with me. He doesn’t own them they reside in the collection of one of his friends. Sorry for the poor quality. Nonetheless it appears that there may be 4 Clemente versions: 2.5”, 3”, 3.5”, and the 3.5” previously shared by Howard without the autograph. (Also pictured) I shared this link with him hoping that he or his friend can post better photos.
ooo-ribay
02-14-2022, 06:26 AM
A collector in a Clemente Facebook group just shared this pic with me. He doesn’t own them they reside in the collection of one of his friends. Sorry for the poor quality. Nonetheless it appears that there may be 4 Clemente versions: 2.5”, 3”, 3.5”, and the 3.5” previously shared by Howard without the autograph. (Also pictured) I shared this link with him hoping that he or his friend can post better photos.
I’d love to see a better picture, too, because the smallest pin looks like it could possibly be a knock-off. Maybe, maybe not….
71buc
02-14-2022, 10:54 AM
I’d love to see a better picture, too, because the smallest pin looks like it could possibly be a knock-off. Maybe, maybe not….
I agree Rob
icollectDCsports
02-14-2022, 05:19 PM
I agree Rob
Looks like the same background but slightly different pose. I'm leaning toward legit. Very interesting.
ooo-ribay
02-14-2022, 06:12 PM
Looks like the same background but slightly different pose. I'm leaning toward legit. Very interesting.
In the small one, it looks like PI is visible. In the others, it’s only the P.
icollectDCsports
02-14-2022, 08:28 PM
In the small one, it looks like PI is visible. In the others, it’s only the P.
Also appears to me that the head and bat angles are slightly different. A cool discovery if this is a variation on an already super desirable item.
ooo-ribay
02-14-2022, 09:19 PM
Also appears to me that the head and bat angles are slightly different. A cool discovery if this is a variation on an already super desirable item.
Sure would like to a better picture!
71buc
02-14-2022, 11:44 PM
This is the best I can do so far. I’m trying to get him to email me a better photo. The photo on this version does seem different. The head is more turned and the hands align with the Pirate team name differently.
ooo-ribay
02-15-2022, 05:56 AM
Thanks, Mike. Here's a side by side. Do we know of other players shown in different poses?
FWIW - the small pin still doesn't lokk "right" to me. Maybe it's because we don't (as of yet) have a better picture?
icollectDCsports
02-15-2022, 08:41 AM
Thanks, Mike. Here's a side by side. Do we know of other players shown in different poses?
FWIW - the small pin still doesn't lokk "right" to me. Maybe it's because we don't (as of yet) have a better picture?
A photo of the back would also be helpful.
Cliff Bowman
02-15-2022, 03:22 PM
FWIW - the small pin still doesn't look "right" to me. Maybe it's because we don't (as of yet) have a better picture?
I agree, I would vote relatively recently made knock off. It is cool that it has a different pose.
ksfarmboy
02-15-2022, 03:34 PM
Same pose as shown in post 55 of this thread.
71buc
02-15-2022, 04:36 PM
You are absolutely correct Clint.
ooo-ribay
02-15-2022, 04:45 PM
Same pose as shown in post 55 of this thread.
...which makes me think someone could "bootleg" it.
icollectDCsports
02-15-2022, 08:36 PM
...which makes me think someone could "bootleg" it.
Could be. I do think a photo of the back would be helpful in figuring this out.
ooo-ribay
02-16-2022, 06:53 AM
Could be. I do think a photo of the back would be helpful in figuring this out.
Yeah, the Badge-A-Minit. logo would definitely be a red flag. :p
71buc
02-16-2022, 11:11 PM
Here are more photos. No matter the consensus of opinion we can now confirm that it was issued in two sizes. Member ballpark Frank got these photos for me and I want to recognize his time and effort. Thanks Frank!
ooo-ribay
02-17-2022, 07:58 AM
Here are more photos. No matter the consensus of opinion we can now confirm that it was issued in two sizes. Member ballpark Frank got these photos for me and I want to recognize his time and effort. Thanks Frank!
Yes, thanks Frank!
The “two sizes” are 3” and 3”, yes? And the smaller one would be a fantasy piece (based on the back)?
Cliff Bowman
02-17-2022, 11:42 AM
The Brewers are smaller than 3”, someone might have given the size in an earlier post. ETA, the Brewers are 2.25” according to Tom Hansen in an earlier post.
71buc
02-17-2022, 11:59 AM
Another small version of the Clemente pin just surfaced within another collection. I’ve requested and hopefully will receive better photos.
71buc
02-17-2022, 05:04 PM
The owner of the second small pin just sent these two photos. He says it’s 2”.
icollectDCsports
02-17-2022, 06:01 PM
The owner of the second small pin just sent these two photos.
Good sleuthing and thanks for tracking these down.
71buc
02-28-2023, 01:35 AM
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - (Bench and Rose photo proofs seen, but not actual pins)
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard(?).
White Sox - Richard
Looks like 42 known, with Howard and Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
Proofs no longer. Here are pics of Bench and Rose
roarfrom34
02-28-2023, 07:13 AM
The owner of the second small pin just sent these two photos. He says it’s 2”.
could this possibly be a modern repo?
ooo-ribay
02-28-2023, 08:09 AM
could this possibly be a modern repo?
Glad to see this thread resurrected.
I’m holding off on changing my “checklist” until Mike verifies his Reds.
I’m still on the hunt for a Gaylord Perry Giants….which is only rumored to exist.
71buc
02-28-2023, 08:25 AM
These are not mine. They are on a Facebook page. I will reach out to the poster.
ooo-ribay
02-28-2023, 10:33 AM
These are not mine. They are on a Facebook page. I will reach out to the poster.
It looks like maybe Bill was talking about the Clemente…my bad…but more info on the Reds would be good, regardless.
Cliff Bowman
02-28-2023, 11:01 AM
Proofs no longer. Here are pics of Bench and Rose
Wow! They look good on the front but the backs would be the proof. The photos on the Bench and Rose pins look very clear and not like laser copies.
Cliff Bowman
02-28-2023, 12:16 PM
Proofs no longer. Here are pics of Bench and Rose
I think they are legit. I am unable to show pics at the moment but the facsimile signature on the Bench proof on the first page is in a different location than on the Bench pin, I think if someone made a bootleg pin from the Bench proof pic the facsimile signature would be in the same exact location as the proof pic.
perezfan
02-28-2023, 12:29 PM
I think they are legit. I am unable to show pics at the moment but the facsimile signature on the Bench proof on the first page is in a different location than on the Bench pin, I think if someone made a bootleg pin from the Bench proof pic the facsimile signature would be in the same exact location as the proof pic.
Great observation.... I agree. A couple of Holy Grails there.... thanks to Mike for finding and posting!
batsballsbases
02-28-2023, 01:19 PM
The owner of the second small pin just sent these two photos. He says it’s 2”.
Hi Mike Just my 2 cents but I dont thing that pin is real. Looks like a very modern repro... I wouldnt buy it...
ooo-ribay
02-28-2023, 04:44 PM
Do you know the size of the Rose and Bench, Mike? I’m dubious if they’re 2”.
ksfarmboy
02-28-2023, 06:44 PM
There’s a Bernie Carbo and Tony Perez as well. Mike if you search that same Facebook page you’ll find pictures of them. They were shown about a year ago along with I believe the Rose proof.
Cliff Bowman
02-28-2023, 08:54 PM
Here are pics of the 1971 Johnny Bench pin proof and the 1971 Johnny Bench pin for comparision, if someone used the proof pic to make a bootleg Johnny Bench pin then the facsimile signature would be identical on both but the facsimile signature is in a much different (and better) position on the pin.
71buc
02-28-2023, 09:07 PM
The owner of the pins has submitted a request to join Net54 and join in on this discussion. He has been waiting for a confirmation email much of the day. In the meantime he told me to post these for him. He is a Cincinnati Reds collector since 1970. This is what he told me in the course of our chat. He purchased the Bench for $750 and obtained the Rose in a large trade. He has the Rose proof and a friend has the Bench proof. He found pictures of Perez and a Carbo examples from this set. He has never found them but is searching for them. Clint the Perez and Carbo photos may be the ones you were referring to. Nonetheless this gives me hope for more Pirates examples from whatever constitutes this set.
Cliff Bowman
02-28-2023, 09:16 PM
Fantastic! If there's a Bernie Carbo then it's very possible there is a Lee May, Tommy Helms, Dave Concepcion, Gary Nolan, or a Don Gullett.
icollectDCsports
02-28-2023, 09:25 PM
These damn pins are so simple yet so cool. It's amazing how much of a mystery their origin continues to be.
ooo-ribay
03-01-2023, 07:21 AM
Great finds, Mike! Makes me think maybe their is a Gaylord Perry Giants out there.
New list:
Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen, Wills.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - Bench, Carbo, Perez, Rose.
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, Horlen, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 58 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
perezfan
03-01-2023, 06:49 PM
Ugh! The mere image of that Perez Pin is killing me.
thansen30
03-02-2023, 02:44 PM
just when I give up on these pins we discover more of them. I can't believe the only Mets pin is the Seaver . . .
hcv123
03-03-2023, 08:12 AM
Great finds, Mike! Makes me think maybe their is a Gaylord Perry Giants out there.
New list:
Hall of Famers have been bolded.
A's - Blue
Brewers - Bristol, Harper, Hogan, Joss, Koslo, Lockwood, May, Pattin, Roof, Saunders, Walton.
Cubs - Banks, Beckert, Callison, Hands, Hundley, Jenkins, Kessinger, Ortiz, Pappas, Pepitone, Popovich, Santo, Williams.
Dodgers - Allen, Wills.
Giants - Mays (incl. Friars Club variations), Perry(?).
Mets - Seaver.
Orioles - Palmer, Powell, B. Robinson, F. Robinson.
Pirates - Clemente (Hernandez and Oceak photo proofs seen, but not actual pins).
Reds - Bench, Carbo, Perez, Rose.
Red Sox - Aparicio, B. Conigliaro, Culp, Griffin, Josephson, Kennedy, Petrocelli, Scott, Siebert, Yaz.
Senators - McClain, Howard.
White Sox - Andrews, Bradley, Hermann, Horlen, John, Melton, Reichardt, Richard
Looks like 58 known, with Perry rumored. Size, pose, finish and/or whether they have the facsimile autograph can vary.
I am pretty sure I had/have the Perry. If I still have it - I just don't know where it is burried!!
ooo-ribay
03-03-2023, 11:20 AM
I am pretty sure I had/have the Perry. If I still have it - I just don't know where it is burried!!
You gotta find it! The not knowing is killing me!
71buc
10-26-2023, 06:25 AM
Looking for a reason to bump this thread I came across a very recent sale of the Clemente version.
thansen30
10-26-2023, 07:59 AM
holy grail right there. also it seems like these pins are getting MUCH HARDER to find these days . . .
ooo-ribay
10-26-2023, 09:58 AM
Looking for a reason to bump this thread I came across a very recent sale of the Clemente version.
I saw that. It was originally offered with an opening bid of $300 and was sold for $800, hours later. I figured a high end pin and/or Clemente collector just had to have it and didn’t want to f**k around. Actually, I thought it might be you! :p
71buc
10-26-2023, 10:53 AM
I saw that. It was originally offered with an opening bid of $300 and was sold for $800, hours later. I figured a high end pin and/or Clemente collector just had to have it and didn’t want to f**k around. Actually, I thought it might be you! :p
I’m the very definition of a low end Clemente collector
71buc
10-26-2023, 11:39 AM
Thought I’d share a recent pick-up related to these elusive pin-backs. This negative is obviously from the same photo shoot. There are subtle differences between the Clemente pin-back from this series and the photo discussed in posts #55 and #80. I purchased this negative from a dealer in Ohio. The color image is my own crude attempt to digitally manipulate the image of the negative to provide an idea what the print would look like.
ooo-ribay
10-26-2023, 04:29 PM
I’m the very definition of a low end Clemente collector
Please. If you’re low end, I’m below grade. :p
ksfarmboy
10-26-2023, 06:58 PM
Cool piece Mike, thanks for sharing!
Scott Garner
10-26-2023, 07:26 PM
Wow! Very cool posts, Mike!
icollectDCsports
10-26-2023, 09:01 PM
I’m always excited to see an addition to this thread. These are all very cool, but the Clemente is just amazing.
Scott Garner
10-27-2023, 04:44 AM
If anyone has a spare Pappas or Horlen, I would be interested....:cool:
Chstrite
10-27-2023, 06:10 PM
Email me at charles.strite@yahoo.com
Happy to negotiate a deal for those 1970s Pins of Frank and Boog!