Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 Color Survey

[Abravefan11]

I'm trying to gather any information I can regarding the two different shades of blue used to print the Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs. I believe there could be some good information to be learned but more data is needed to be sure.

Anything shared is appreciated and please let me know which subject and which blue you have, light or dark. If you're not sure and can post a scan that would also be helpful.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_UrSHvogCrmM/Tdj72VmtaiI/AAAAAAAAEhQ/_HaNWg40-Hs/42%20Light%20Dark.jpg

[Gradedcardman]

Tim,

Picked up my first via REA (an oversight I'm sure). It was the light blue print almost the shady look. On my way to Chicago now but will scan on tuesday night.

[Mikehealer]

Hi Tim, here are my five.

Light-Baker, Bender(no trees), Griffith(bat)
Darker-Marquard(follow through), Willis(throw)

[Exhibitman]

Mine are lite: Chase w/trophy and a common whose name I can't recall.

[mrvster]

Tim,

GREAT SURVEY!!!!:) i always wondered this.....Jim R can have some great input here:D...this is a rare back i love to collect....most are light blue, i look for this back, only a few are dark blue, i beleive i only have 1 dark blue(manning).....10 total= 9 light 1 dark blue(i might be wrong since i don't have my cards with me please bear with me)

i only have real terrible scans since i don't have my cards with me, but from my list:



LIGHT BLUE:


(2) McQuillen- batting
(1) Jordan- batting
(1) Rucker- throwing
(2) sweeney-batting
(1) Ruelbach-throwing
(1) Griffith- batting (SPLIT BACK):D
(1) Ames- hands over head


DARK BLUE:

(1) Manning- hands above head


Always interested in piedy 42s (condition doesn't matter)..email me:)


GOOD LUCK TIM!! look forward to your results

Peace

Johnny

[Abravefan11]

Thanks everyone for the inputs.

Johnny just to clarify you meant Sweeney - Fielding correct?

[Orions father]

sold a Chase blue port. a few months ago that was light blue.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/scan0012.jpg

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Tim,
I have 24-25 Fact 42's, but I don't have them all scanned....

Here is a very light Blue Kleinow:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0043-1.jpg



And a Dark one of his buddy Frank Smith...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0041.jpg





I'll try to post a list and some more scans tonight...

Be well Brian

PS I only have a few really "light blue", most are "medium blue" and 4-5 are really dark blue...

[sreader3]

Lajoie (Batting) Dark
Leifield (Batting) Dark

Aside from Brian W., Craig W. would be the expert here. (Hi Craig!).

[Abravefan11]

Thanks Scot. I look forward to the additions Brian mentioned in his previous post and Craig and I have been in touch.

[ValKehl]

Hi Tim,
Thanks to Mike Healer, I have this Factory 42 WaJo. But, I'm not sure if this is the light or the dark blue - looks like medium blue to me.
Val

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Tim, Scot, and Graig,
Here is a partial list.... I have a few more, but can't locate them now.
BAKER THROW PIED 42
COBB RED BK PIED 42 D
COBB BAT OFF PIED 42 D
COBB BAT OFF PIED 42 D
CONROY BAT PIED 42 D
CONROY BAT PIED 42 D
CRAWFORD BAT PIED 42 D
DOYLE BAT PIED 42 L
KLEINOW BOSTON PIED 42 L
KONETCHY GL LOW PIED 42 D
LATHAM POR PIED 42 D
LATHAM NY NAT PIED 42 D
MANNING PITCH PIED 42 D
MATHEWSON DARK PIED 42 L
MATHEWSON DCAP PIED 42 L
MCINTYRE BR&CH PIED 42 D
OVERALL THROW PIED 42 D
PELTY VERT PIED 42 D
SEYMOUR THROW PIED 42
SMITH CHI&BOS PIED 42 D
SNODGRASS CATCH PIED 42 D
SWEENEY THROW PIED 42 D
WAGNER RIGHT PIED 42 D
WHITE CHI PIED 42 D


Be well Brian

[Drew]

Hi Tim
I have Joss pitching light blue
drew

[Abravefan11]

Brian - Thanks for all the information.

Is the Overall (Hand At Face) or (Hands At Waist)?

[mrvster]

TIM!!

Sorry...i meant MAGEE (batting):o.....i have 2 of them....i had sweeney on the brainLOL!!


BRIAN:eek:

WOW!!!

Peace

Johnny

[Brian Weisner]

Hands at face....
Be well Brian

[Blunder19]

I have 2 seymour throwing 42s both light blue

Jamie

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Jamie,
That card looks familiar.....;)

Here are a few more scans....

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0114.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0113.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/File0095.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/File0096.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/121001.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/121001B.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0004-7.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0005-9.jpg


Be well Brian

[wonkaticket]

I think the survey has shown Brian has all the P42's. :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/9piedmont%20350-460-42.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/Murphy%20Pied%20fact42.jpg

Cheers,

John

[Brian Weisner]

Hey John,
Except Murphy..... ;) Your card looks like a 7.... Too bad you dinged that corner.....:D

Be well Brian

Here are a few more....

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010079.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/jan2010124.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/cobbfac42.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/cobbfac42b.jpg

[mrvster]

:eek::eek::eek:

[Abravefan11]

Brian - Thanks for posting all the scans. Impressive to say the least.

Thanks to everyone that has contributed both in the thread and privately. So far I've logged inputs on all but 18 of the subjects from this subset. As expected some have been confirmed with only light, others with only dark, and several with both. More information is needed so if you have anything to share please let me know.

[frohme]

Add another Leifield batting - dark (med?) blue

[Abravefan11]

Mike - That's a well loved dark blue.

[marcdelpercio]

Tim,
Here is my Crawford (with bat). The registration is light but the ink color is definitely dark.

[willworkforT206]

Tim,

Great thread.

I own the following:

Ames (Hands Above Head) - Light
Bender (No Trees) - Dark
Snodgrass (Catching) - Light

Looks like the Bender (No Trees) is one that has both light and dark blue backs.

Steve

[mrvster]

Sorry Tim!

i had to ask....if anyone is interested in parting w a piedy 42(condition not an issue), shoot me an email....:D

I love this back for some reason:)

[mcadams]

Tim-
I'm sure you've considered this already, but why wouldn't you think that all the factory 42's started out dark blue, and some have just faded more than others over the years?

It might be nice to take the light blue backs you have and see if the ink on the front of those cards may also be lighter than expected. Correlation between light ink on front and back may help you figure the mystery out as well.

[Abravefan11]

...why wouldn't you think that all the factory 42's started out dark blue, and some have just faded more than others over the years?


Michael - Because the color variations are too great. T206's that were placed in scrapbooks or tucked away 100 years ago will appear darker and richer in color than ones that have been well handled and worn but both will still be relatively the same color. The contrast in the light blue and dark blue Piedmont 42's is too great in my opinion (and I believe others) to have originally been the same shade of blue.

[Ronnie73]

Hi everyone, I just joined this forum and was looking back at many of the older posts. I know this topic is a few months old but thought it would be a good idea to list my Piedmont Factory 42 backs.

Barney Pelty - Vertical Photo - Light Blue Back
Hal Chase - Blue Background Portrait - Light Blue Back
Hooks Wiltse - Pitching - Light Blue Back (and it was my first T206 card ever)
Orval Overall - Hand Face Level - Light Blue Back
Rube Marquard - Pitching Follow Through - Light Blue Back

Ronnie73

[Abravefan11]

Ronnie - Thanks for adding your cards to the survey and welcome to the forum.

[tedzan]

Here are my current PIEDMONT 460/42 cards.....4 are light blue and the un-graded Hal Chase is a medium blue.

I have had and sold (or traded) Johnson, Jordan, Latham, Murphy and Rucker. All 5 of these PIEDMONT 460/42 cards were printed with the light blue ink.


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/achasep460factory42.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/ap46042bakchanchasdoug.jpg" alt="[linked image]">


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/bchasep460factory42.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/ap46042bakchanchasdougbk.jpg" alt="[linked image]">




From the "FYI....T206 PIEDMONT factory 25 & factory 42 confirmed lists"........
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124959&page=2

All but Tinker (bat off shoulder) in the 350/60 series have been confirmed......62 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (bat)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)

Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


Only 12 subjects (of the 46) from the 460-only Series have been confirmed with the PIEDMONT 460, Factory 42 backs.

Bergen (catching)
Chase (Trophy)
Devore
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)
Schlei (portrait)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


TED Z

[T206.org]

I don't own any of these. All except for Brown are from recent NC find.

http://co.llect.com/i/92611/GPF.jpg

[aquarius31]

Great thread...I had not previously seen it. Here's a Jennings which appears to be a lighter blue compared to some of my other Piedmont backs. Sorry about the fuzzy image.

[Abravefan11]

Thanks for sharing the scans and the new additions to the survey, it's greatly appreciated.

[Gradedcardman]

Glad to say 4 of those are in my collection now !!

Looking for Schlei Portrait in all backs !!

[brass_rat]

I'll let you guys make the call. I'm color blind, and ever since grade school when I colored half of an ocean purple and the other half blue, I've stayed away from calling colors...even light and dark blue. haha.

As a side note, I just took these photos now, so it's under artificial light, which never looks as good as bright natural sunlight...

If anything, Willett and Wagner look to be light and Pelty and White look dark, but it really looks like Willett and Wagner didn't have enough ink to make it a bold, dark printing.

You might also think that maybe they were lightly bleached that caused the ink to be lighter, but these four cards have not been bleached -- I checked using a couple different types of black/UV lights.

Thoughts?

Steve

[mrvster]

they are all dark and beautiful!!thanx for sharing.....:D

[E93]

Here is one.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8299/t206hewagfrntfac420001.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/t206hewagfrntfac420001.jpg/)http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4323/t206hewagbackfac42cropp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/97/t206hewagbackfac42cropp.jpg/)