Am I missing something?

[asoriano]

It seems like T205 Raymonds are bringing some very strong prices:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-GOLD-BORDER-ARTHUR-RAYMOND-NEW-YORK-GIANTS-SP-/110674335888?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item19c4b45890#ht_500wt_1069

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-GOLD-BORDER-ARTHUR-RAYMOND-NEW-YORK-GIANTS-/320681286638?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4aaa181bee

[Captainhask]

I'm with you. I know that it is a kind of tough card but really?!?!?

[mintacular]

Not sure, but every time I see a higher than normal "bid" on eBay I remember how much shilling goes on there and it gives me pause for thought.

[Tcards-Please]

I haven't been following that card since I don't need it, but looking at those final bids leaves me scratching my head. Those prices are insane. It looks like the underbidder on one was the winner on the other.

Glad I got mine when I did.

r/
Frank

[Mrc32]

Not sure, but every time I see a higher than normal "bid" on eBay I remember how much shilling goes on there and it gives me pause for thought.

The card that ended last night for $330 was my card. I can tell you there was not shilling on my auction.

I saw the first one end for $700 and decided to sell my duplicate to try and get some of the underbidders.

They don't come up on eBay that often. I'm pleased with the closing price.

[mintacular]

My apology Michael C, was not intending to suggest you personally are involved in this activity but was simply making a general comment....

[nebboy]

I have been looking for T205 SPs and HOFs, so I was following both auctions and thought Id be strong at 100% of the value based on T205.org valuation & 2011 SCD Standard Catalog (which are pretty far apart). But of course they both auctions went way north. Ive seen other strong sells in SPs & variations the last few weeks also.

Made me wounder if I'm using the wrong resources to base my bids on.

[Mrc32]

I have been looking for T205 SPs and HOFs, so I was following both auctions and thought Id be strong at 100% of the value based on T205.org valuation & 2011 SCD Standard Catalog (which are pretty far apart). But of course they both auctions went way north. Ive seen other strong sells in SPs & variations the last few weeks also.

Made me wounder if I'm using the wrong resources to base my bids on.

John- I was surprised as well. Personally, I've always thought t205s were under appreciated.

[powderfinger]

I was surprised by the prices realized as well. I started my T205 set about a year ago, and have tried to pick up the SPs whenever I could. I won my Raymond last September on eBay. It's a PSA4 and I can tell you it didn't cost what either of these cards went for. I was most surprised that they went for those priced and weren't graded. Did anybody happen to see the Joss that Joe's Vintage had on the board for a BIN of $900. It went within a very short time of being listed and I'll bet many didn't even get a look before it was gone.

Sometimes I feel sorry for myself having started collecting the set so late, but in retrospect, maybe I started just in time!

[marcdelpercio]

I was also very surprised by these closing prices. I have owned 5 or 6 Raymonds and never considered it to be one of the toughest SP's. I have noticed a few pricing anomalies from time to time with the mid-level T205 SP's/variations however. I remember a year or so ago seeing a couple of A.P. Leifield cards (which I would value at about the same level as the Raymond) sell for some unbelievable prices.

[mintacular]

I just sold my AP Leifield on eBay for $75, it was pretty beat up, it sold in less than 12 hours, In case anyone cares. I think I had it on this board for like $60 and no takers so I don't think it's all that tough...I think someone sold a Sovereign back AP for $100 recently and there was another one on eBay that went for around the same...

[marcdelpercio]

Patrick,
The prices you quoted I think are in line with what that card should sell for. If I recall the ones I tracked last year, there were VG/EX'ish copies going for $500+ and then suddenly, the prices returned to normal. I never did come up with a good theory for that and it didn't appear that anything shady was going on with the auctions to the best of my detection. They seemed to be legit sales on 3 or 4 different copies and then back down to Earth.

[mintacular]

That's something I've never quite figured out with pre-war pricing, seems like a lot of peaks and valleys. A couple determined bidders can jack a $ up. I'm pretty sure I had the AP up for sale for around that price and all I heard was crickets for 30 days. I never liked that card (condition), or that variation so I hope it finds a happier home.

[MattyFan]

In the spirit of this thread, I have noticed that the T206 Joe Doyle Hands above head (without Nat'l) has shot up in price. I feel like I missed something. Wasn't this a common card?

[Pup6913]

This is retarded. For real guys:eek:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-GOLD-BORDER-ARTHUR-RAYMOND-NY-GIANTS-PSA-5-/110676295199?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item19c4d23e1f#ht_500wt_1156

[SteveKiwi]

I recently started collecting T205 and have been bidding on a number of auctions on Ebay, but I haven't gotten anything in about the last month or so. I quickly learned the lesson that if you miss out on a particular card, there'll be another one along pretty soon, so don't go too far out of line on price. It seems like there's maybe been a few buyers who haven't checked out where prices should be, and really want to get the cards as soon as possible.

[obcmac]

$225 for an SGC 20 Raymond? I guess the craziness continues. Too bad the Engle Raymond collection isn't still together ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-Piedmont-T205-Arthur-Raymond-SGC-20-Fair-1-5-/110679024479

[asoriano]

$225 for an SGC 20 Raymond? I guess the craziness continues. Too bad the Engle Raymond collection isn't still together ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-Piedmont-T205-Arthur-Raymond-SGC-20-Fair-1-5-/110679024479

Wishin' we had that hoard right about now...:o

[collectbaseball]

And there's another one coming up that's clearly going to bring a strong price... and I don't have one for my set yet! Ahhh!

[benderbroeth]

sell you my psa 2 raymond for $300 lol