Babe RC and couple I dont recognize

[kamac69]

I have just accquired these and am wondering if anyone can help with identication of the two non-rc cards. I have picked these up with intention of flipping them, possibly grading and sending to auction. All the fake indicators on the rc do not appear to be on this card and price paid for lot tends to lean me toward authentic cards. Estimated values would also be appreciated.
photobucket of these cards here

http://s1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa359/kamac69/cards/


I havent been able to figure out how to post pics directly yet
Thanks in advance for all advice

These cards were picked up from an on-line dealer,but will wait until I find out about verification before stating which one
The rc is much whiter than pic although back is darker than front
I intend to have graded but am leary of mailing from Canada
May take to KSA just to see if authenticated and then allow whichever auction house to switch over to SCG
Mainly looking for info on other two cards

[Ease]

Here ya go.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa359/kamac69/babe100_6820.jpg<br>http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa359/kamac69/babe100_6812.jpg<br>http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa359/kamac69/rc100_6826.jpg<br>http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa359/kamac69/baberc100_6825.jpg

[bcbgcbrcb]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think that any of them are legitimate based on the scans provided.

[terjung]

Many times it can be hard to verify the paper stock from a scan, but the stock color on your Ruth doesn't look right. If I were a betting man, I'd say that it has a better chance of being rejected by PSA or SGC than being authenticated. If you are looking to sell it for a price that is anywhere close to the value of a real Ruth RC, then you should send it in for grading to one of those two companies.

Rule of thumb... if you don't know whether a potentially valuable card is real or not and it hasn't already been graded, it's probably not authentic. Good luck, though.

[ctownboy]

When in doubt, I err on the side of fake. This is especially true if you are buying raw cards off eBay from sellers:

in Canada

in Ohio

who found the cards in their Grandpa's attic or basement

who bought the cards at an estate sale

sellers on Craig's List.

David

[barrysloate]

I also think they are fake. Nothing about them looks right.

[ctownboy]

kamac,

You say price paid for lot makes you think they are authentic, where did you buy them from? Just wondering.

David

[Exhibitman]

The upper one looks like it was cut from a Jim Rowe 4 on 1 card then beaten up a bit to age it.

[glynparson]

I believe they are 100% fake.

[Jaybird]

I never trust cards with burn marks on them. Cards get beat up, creased up, paper comes off of them from glue removal, stained, etc. but I just don't see how they get burned from normal wear and tear.

It just screams fake to me when I see charcoal edges.

[Bosox Blair]

I also don't think the cards are authentic.

But, if you want them assessed by pros, my opinion is do not bring them to KSA.

If you are not aware, SGC has a Canadian Submission Centre in Oshawa (the address is on their website under Canadian Submissions). The deal is that you mail the cards to them in Canada - use Canada Post with signature required. The guy in Canada carries the cards to SGC in N.J. and brings them back into Canada after they are graded. He mails them back to you from within Canada. No border/customs/tax issues at all. No charge for that service. The only thing you need to know is that this process slows things down considerably. Expect about 8+ weeks from the time you mail cards until the time they arrive back to you slabbed (or not...if they are fakes...)

Cheers,
Blair

[Leon]

I bought a card that looked exactly like the weird looking Ruth portrait. It was Bottomley. I even called Rob L to ask if he had seen one. He said no and had concerns about it, as I did. But it was cheap and I took a chance. When I got it I knew within a half a second it was fake and a fantasy piece. I returned it for the few dollars I paid. That Ruth above has the identical look to the card I bought. For the record, the others don't look good either.

[fkw]

The top card is cut from a 1977 Jim Rowe 4-on-1 (like Adam said)
the 2nd card is a modern fantasy piece
the 3rd card is a homemade M101-4/5 reprint (contrast issues in the face area)

[glynparson]

Not that that is unusual he is usually on point with the information he posts.