Teach me about T-206 back variations>>

[lancemountain]

Perhaps this isn't such an easy answer! :eek:

I'm 35 and got into pre war collecting about a year ago after a lifetime of modern (or what *was* modern when I was a kid)

I'm building a Phillies T 206 set and am at 8 now in sgc 40 slabs.


My question is: Is there a specific pattern in back variations? Are there only specific cards that have the serious SP backs? Do all fronts have all backs? For instance, does someone like Otto Knabe have Piedmont, Polar Bear, Hindu, Sweet Corporal....ect? Or are there specific back checklists only for specific players? Also, are there, generally speaking of course, ratios of known cards across the board per back variation?

Thanks for any help. I think this thread could be a huge help to many and perhaps I asked too much! I do have a few variations and would like to complete my Phillies set, in time, with all the possible backs (within reasonable cost parameters )

[Abravefan11]

Hi Terry - There isn't a simple explanation for which players are available with each back but to answer one of your questions all fronts are not found with all backs.

My suggestion would be to first read Scot Reader's Inside T206 and then get a copy of Bill Brown's Super Set spread sheet. These two things will be a huge help towards better understanding which fronts are available with which backs.

If you have any specific questions about your Phillies set PM or email me and I'll be happy to help if I can.

[tonyk1975]

Lance,
If you type in FYI into the search function,you will come across the threads TedZ put together. Each thread has a working checklist for each type of back. These are very informative threads and will give you a better understanding of how the backs relate to each other.
Tony

[White Borders]

Here's the link to Scot's "Inside T206" that Tim referred to above.

http://www.t206.org/dl/InsideT206-Centennial-edition.pdf

Best Regards,
Craig

[tedzan]

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[cfc1909]

well its hard to teach when we are still learning but we will share what we have figured out so far.

Magie is your only 150 only and will only be found with Piedmont 150.
The rest you are going to have to do some homework. You need to figure out what series each player/pose is in and then figure out what backs are in that series. The information is in Scots book. It would also be helpful if you could pick up Heitman's The Monster

there are plenty here to help if you get hung up.

[sandmountainslim]

Here's the link to Scot's "Inside T206" that Tim referred to above.

http://www.t206.org/dl/InsideT206-Centennial-edition.pdf

Best Regards,
Craig

Thanks for that link!

That book is great and hats off to the author!
I just sat here and read the whole thing through :)
Wp

[BleedinBlue]

My spreadsheet shows these front/back combinations available for the Philadelphia NL team. 14 Fronts, 148 Front/Back combinations. There may be a few errors but this should give you an idea as to what could be acquired. As for cost, others can share that information or you can spend some time at the www.t206.org page running the various front/back combos through the valuation calculator. This will give you a rough idea what some of the backs will cost.


KITTY BRANSFIELD HINDU, BROWN
KITTY BRANSFIELD OLD MILL
KITTY BRANSFIELD PIEDMONT 150
KITTY BRANSFIELD TOLSTOI
KITTY BRANSFIELD SOVEREIGN 150
KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 649
KITTY BRANSFIELD PIEDMONT 350
KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
KITTY BRANSFIELD SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
HARRY COVALESKI EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
HARRY COVALESKI OLD MILL
HARRY COVALESKI PIEDMONT 150
HARRY COVALESKI SOVEREIGN 150
HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
HARRY COVALESKI PIEDMONT 350
HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
HARRY COVALESKI SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
RED DOOIN EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
RED DOOIN OLD MILL
RED DOOIN PIEDMONT 150
RED DOOIN SOVEREIGN 150
RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
RED DOOIN PIEDMONT 350
RED DOOIN SOVEREIGN 350
RED DOOIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING BROAD LEAF 350
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING CYCLE 350
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING PIEDMONT 350
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SOVEREIGN 350
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
MICKEY DOOLAN FIELDING TOLSTOI
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING DRUM
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING OLD MILL
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 350
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING POLAR BEAR
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SOVEREIGN 350
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING TOLSTOI
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING BROAD LEAF 460
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING CYCLE 460
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 42
MICKEY DOOLAN BATTING HINDU, RED
MICKEY DOOLIN EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
MICKEY DOOLIN PIEDMONT 150
MICKEY DOOLIN SOVEREIGN 150
MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
MICKEY DOOLIN PIEDMONT 350
MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
MICKEY DOOLIN SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
FRED JACKLITSCH OLD MILL
FRED JACKLITSCH PIEDMONT 150
FRED JACKLITSCH SOVEREIGN 150
FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
FRED JACKLITSCH PIEDMONT 350
FRED JACKLITSCH SOVEREIGN 350
FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
FRED JACKLITSCH SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
OTTO KNABE AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350
OTTO KNABE BROAD LEAF 350
OTTO KNABE CYCLE 350
OTTO KNABE DRUM
OTTO KNABE PIEDMONT 350
OTTO KNABE SOVEREIGN 350
OTTO KNABE SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
OTTO KNABE SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
OTTO KNABE TOLSTOI
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT HINDU, BROWN
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT OLD MILL
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PIEDMONT 150
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SOVEREIGN 150
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PIEDMONT 350
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SOVEREIGN 350
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
SHERRY MAGIE MAGEE PIEDMONT 150
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT DRUM
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT OLD MILL
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 350
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT POLAR BEAR
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SOVEREIGN 350
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT TOLSTOI
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT BROAD LEAF 460
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT CYCLE 460
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT LENOX, BLACK
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact 25
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact OS
SHERRY MAGEE WITH BAT HINDU, RED
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY NO FRAME 350
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT DRUM
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT OLD MILL
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 350
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT POLAR BEAR
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SOVEREIGN 350
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT TOLSTOI
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT LENOX, BLACK
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 25
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT PIEDMONT 460 Fact 42
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT SWEET CAPORAL 460 Fact OS
GEORGE McQUILLAN WITH BAT UZIT
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND HINDU, BROWN
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND OLD MILL
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND PIEDMONT 150
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SOVEREIGN 150
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 25
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 30
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 150 Fact 649
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND PIEDMONT 350
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 25
GEORGE McQUILLAN BALL IN HAND SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30
JOHN TITUS AMERICAN BEAUTY FRAMED 350
JOHN TITUS BROAD LEAF 350
JOHN TITUS CAROLINA BRIGHTS
JOHN TITUS CYCLE 350
JOHN TITUS DRUM
JOHN TITUS EL PRINCIPE DE GALES
JOHN TITUS OLD MILL
JOHN TITUS PIEDMONT 350
JOHN TITUS POLAR BEAR
JOHN TITUS SOVEREIGN 350
JOHN TITUS SWEET CAPORAL 350 Fact 30

[Gradedcardman]

I must say I had never seen the book before this evening. I have been collecting T-206's for 35 years and love this checklist. I have just acquired a collection with some rare backs and will be checking to see how everything unfolds. My first Uzit, Lenox Brown and Lenox Black backs !!

Gradedcardman-Adam

[lancemountain]

Wow, everyone in this thread was such a huge help!

I must say the vintage guys are much quicker to share!

Thank you all. I think I will pick up a copy of that book via amazon and that checklist posted and the links are MOST appreciated!

[Rob D.]

I must say I had never seen the book before this evening. I have been collecting T-206's for 35 years and love this checklist. I have just acquired a collection with some rare backs and will be checking to see how everything unfolds. My first Uzit, Lenox Brown and Lenox Black backs !!

Gradedcardman-Adam

Congrats on those, Adam.

[cfc1909]

bet your pm box got hammered after that post.

I would like to see some scans of those tough backs-here or
stemmers37@att.net

[lancemountain]

A few more questions for you guys......

The Sweet Caporal backs..factory 25 and 30....is one rarer than the other?

And the Piedmont backs with 150 subjects and the 350 subjects.....again does one have a shorter print run than the other?

[Abravefan11]

A few more questions for you guys......

The Sweet Caporal backs..factory 25 and 30....is one rarer than the other?

And the Piedmont backs with 150 subjects and the 350 subjects.....again does one have a shorter print run than the other?

Hi Terry-

Sweet Cap 25's are tougher to find than 30's and Piedmont 350's are the most common back.

[White Borders]

... and Piedmont 350's are the most common back.

Except the following nine are harder to find with a Piedmont 350 back than others with Piedmont 350 backs. And they are harder to find with a Piedmont 350 back than with a Piedmont 150 back. :eek:

Dahlen Boston
Ewing
Ganley
Tom Jones St Louis
Karger
Lindaman
Lundgren Chicago
Mullin Horizontal
Schulte Front View

Best Regards,
Craig

[philliesphan]

Send me a note if you'd like -- I have a fairly robust collection of T206 Phillies with different backs. Good luck on your collection! It's fun to put together!

[Gradedcardman]

I am going to post pics of the Uzit and Lenox backs this weekend. Going to go after this set one more time and hope to be able to hang on to it !!

[lancemountain]

Send me a note if you'd like -- I have a fairly robust collection of T206 Phillies with different backs. Good luck on your collection! It's fun to put together!

I would LOVE to see them! Thanks for that offer!

[lancemountain]

Hi Terry-

Sweet Cap 25's are tougher to find than 30's and Piedmont 350's are the most common back.

Thanks! Information I need in my quest

[philliesphan]

I would LOVE to see them! Thanks for that offer!


PM sent, Terry. Love to hear more about your collection! Cheers