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tedzan
10-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Since the Baltimore venue has proven that it has a lot to offer. My suggestion is that the National should be held twice a year.
Perhaps in April and then September. With the venue rotation between Baltimore, Chicago and a California city.

barrysloate
10-05-2010, 11:50 AM
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Leon
10-05-2010, 11:52 AM
I should be able to add a poll also......we will get it right eventually :)

Leon
10-05-2010, 11:54 AM
We can learn later...I added a poll. Hope that is ok...I also voted ;).

tedzan
10-05-2010, 12:04 PM
....for getting this poll to work.

See, you can't teach an old dinosaur new tricks :)


T-Rex TED

Rob D.
10-05-2010, 12:16 PM
I voted no because I think, like so many other areas in the hobby that have fallen prey to the "too much of a good thing" mentality, having two Nationals a year would cheapen the product.

My guess is this poll/discussion was sparked by the recent disappointment and continued poor performance of the Philly show. Though it's sad that the former hallmark shows of the hobby are going the way of the Edsel, the solution isn't to take what is now a strong and vibrant show -- the National -- and weaken it by asking it fill the void left by the other "big" shows that are dying or have died (condolences to the friends and families of those shows, along with the entire New York Yankees organization).

The National is fine as it is.

Matt
10-05-2010, 12:20 PM
I agree with Rob 100%. The result of 2 Nationals would be many dealers either going to one or the other and not both, thereby defeating the purpose.

Exhibitman
10-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Not to sound like an old fart, but I really miss the days of multiple local card shows on every weekend. I used to plan day trips all over SoCal to attend shows every weekend. I cannot remember the last time there was a good local show in the L.A. area. I hear you lucky bastards in the N.Y.C. area have back-to-back-to-back show weekends this month, though. :mad:

barrysloate
10-05-2010, 12:22 PM
To continue Rob's point, too many collectors would not be able to afford traveling to two nationals a year. For many this is their once a year event, one they plan for a year in advance and save up for months. In a bad economy too many people wouldn't be able to swing this. The result would be two weaker shows instead of one very good one.

kkkkandp
10-05-2010, 12:33 PM
I agree that two Nationals every year is probably not a great idea, but I'd like an east coast city to be the site of a once-a-year National show more frequently than every 10 years! :)

When Gloria Rothstein ran her White Plains show billed as the "East Coast National" it was well attended by both dealers and buyers.

asoriano
10-05-2010, 12:47 PM
"I voted no because I think, like so many other areas in the hobby that have fallen prey to the "too much of a good thing" mentality, having two Nationals a year would cheapen the product."


Exactly.

tedzan
10-05-2010, 01:09 PM
Regarding this......
"......having two Nationals a year would cheapen the product."

History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.

For example. the Philly Show started as an annual event in Willow Grove, PA in 1975. Then it was expanded to a March and September show.
Bob Schmierer expanded it to 3 times a year in 1988. And, when it moved to a larger facility (Ft. Washington) in 1993, it was expanded to 4
shows a year. Each of these expansions increased the attendance and improved the quality of this show. The same can be said for several
other shows across the country in that time period.

However, for various and sundry factors, we are no longer in a GROWTH trend in this hobby. Having the National twice a year may introduce
some new excitement into the hobby, and reverse this trend.


KEVIN

This is what I am suggesting here, the Baltimore venue would be a permanent annual East coast Show, while Chicago, and California shows
would alternate.



TED Z

Rob D.
10-05-2010, 01:30 PM
History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.



TED Z

Ted,

If it's such an absurd statement, then why weren't there two Nationals during the GROWTH years? Seems like that would have been a prime time to try such an experiment.

Maybe fixing the failing shows is a solution rather than breaking one of the few shows that flourishes. I'm not sure how doubling the pinnacle event of the hobby would "introduce some new excitement into the hobby." That seems like a throwaway line to me, i.e. something that sounds good but really has no basis of fact.

Again, part of the allure of the National is that it's an annual event. Take away that aspect of it, and you take away part of the allure. Pretty simple concept, and not that absurd at all, when you really consider it.

barrysloate
10-05-2010, 01:44 PM
The Philadelphia show expanded from twice a year to four times a year during a period of strong growth in the hobby. Today's hobby appears to be in attrition, with the baby boomer generation getting older. It may not be a good time to think expansion. It's in fact possible that by having fewer shows, the ones that remain will be stronger.

And I'm just speculating, as I have not attended a show in over ten years.

Tony Gordon
10-05-2010, 01:51 PM
While I didn't make it out to Baltimore, I talked to several Chicago dealers who relayed that sales were just okay. The location where their sales are highest is Cleveland. Naturally, I don't mind having the National in my backyard but I think dealers are shortchanged when the show is in Chicago because the promoters do a lousy job at local advertising. The Chicago Sun-Times newspaper is on life support and advertising a show in it is a wasted effort. I believe advertising on the two Chicago sports radio channels and on local cable television would increase attendance significantly.

Rob D.
10-05-2010, 01:58 PM
The Philadelphia show expanded from twice a year to four times a year during a period of strong growth in the hobby. Today's hobby appears to be in attrition, with the baby boomer generation getting older. It may not be a good time to think expansion. It's in fact possible that by having fewer shows, the ones that remain will be stronger.

And I'm just speculating, as I have not attended a show in over ten years.

That's a key point I forgot to mention, Barry. Shows expanded when it was a GROWTH period. To conveniently omit that key fact when trying to make a case for two Nationals during a period of non-GROWTH, well, it just seems ... absurd.

Leon
10-05-2010, 01:58 PM
First of all I don't think it's absurd to talk about 2 shows cheapening the product. If nothing else, it's a good discussion either way, but to call it absurd is absurd in itself, imo. Nothing personal Ted. I just don't think it's an absurd recommendation either way.

For me, and maybe not too many others, I would love to have 2 giant, great shows to go to in one year. I would gladly attend both. I realize I very well might be in the minority though. I would bet 2 cents this whole discussion is how REA feels on the subject of 1 vs 2 (auctions a yr). It would potentially water down the "event". I think this is a great topic and one that is easily debated on both sides. I certainly see good points for having one or two shows a year. regards

E93
10-05-2010, 02:15 PM
While I would enjoy two Nationals a year if I could make the time, the reality is I probably could not. I am imagining many are in the same boat. So while it would be fun in theory, I, like others here, would worry about the weakening of the National. If a sizable percentage of regular National attendees only went to one of the two, then it would make both shows not as good. And if they both were weaker, it might mean that they both eventually lose steam. I enjoy the National so much because it is the hobby event that so many of my hobby friends try to make it to every year. I fear diluting that by having two.
JimB

Doug
10-05-2010, 02:57 PM
If they had an eastern national and a western national it might give more people a chance to go that otherwise don't want to travel cross country.

4815162342
10-05-2010, 03:10 PM
Q: Why is there only one National a year?

A: Wives.

Jewish-collector
10-05-2010, 03:18 PM
What they could do is have an east coast city National in the spring and a west coast city National in the fall (or vice versa). And, then have a midwest coast city (probably Chicago and/or Cleveland) replace one of the coast Nationals the following year like so...

Spring 2011 East coast city National
Fall 2011 West coast city National

Spring 2012 Midwest coast city National (to replace the East)
Fall 2012 West coast city National

Spring 2013 East coast city National
Fall 2013 Midwest coast city National (to replace the West)

and so on.....

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David W
10-05-2010, 03:27 PM
I live in Indiana, but an East/West thing might work.

I wouldn't go to the West coast, but go to the Chicago and Cleveland Nationals.

I'm sure there are a lot of West Coasters who don't go if it is out East.

bijoem
10-05-2010, 03:30 PM
I voted no.

While I would personally love to go to a 'National' every month (if I was able to) - I think if The National took place more than once per year, many or most collectors and dealers would pick which 'National' they could go to each year.

The result would be two watered down shows in the year as opposed to one as-good-as-it-gets event per year.

Matthew H
10-05-2010, 05:17 PM
I wish that the small hotel shows would come back. I really enjoyed going to those with my Dad in the late 80's early 90's. I was just a kid but I really liked looking at all the old cards.

HRBAKER
10-05-2010, 05:57 PM
There is nothing wrong with it, don't try to "fix" it. I don't see attrition so much as redeployment and development of buying opportunities. Ebay and the hyper-growth of good quality auctions has supplanted much of the need for these former regional "glory" shows IMO. Nothing stays the same forever.
Let's not monkey with the one good show we still have.

kcohen
10-05-2010, 06:12 PM
If Net54 doesn't host a dinner, who cares? :)

RiverOnFire
10-05-2010, 06:19 PM
The National doesn't need to expand into two shows. One show once a year is fine.

What needs to be done is add more flair to the show. I'm 23 years old and collect various stuff both vintage and modern. Cards, pennants, odd ball items, I love it all. But even I get bored eventually with the show. The autograph area is rubbish. It needs to be done up and add more dynamic.

Why can't all the Sports Hall of Fames have small traveling exhibits on display? How could would it be to go and learn about any of the sports long fabled histories and then be able to buy relics of that time all in the same building?

Personally, I (and I'm sure most of you) like the hunt and thrill of trying to find that certain *something*. The IX Center (Cle) and the Chicago location both have vast parking lots for use. Maybe allow for a "flea market" outside that flows into the building.

What would be real cool but I think logistics would kill the idea, but have the National at one location in a city, and then smaller shows around the city throughout that week to drum up interest for the National itself. It'd be similar to how cities have concerts at different venues during a weekend but the shows are all intertwined into one main event.

Pup6913
10-05-2010, 09:37 PM
We need one in KC Our city and convention center is plenty large and centrally located in the US. Cheap to fly into and out of also. Why the Hype about Chy town?????????????

calvindog
10-05-2010, 09:43 PM
I voted no as well. I fear that if there were two Nationals they'd just be diluted with dealers figuring they didn't need to go to both. And I just don't know if the demand is there. Look at the White Plains show: little to no prewar stuff. With all the dealers on the East Coast you'd think the shows would be better attended. Once a year is plenty though I wish there was the demand for two.

Leon
10-05-2010, 09:45 PM
The National doesn't need to expand into two shows. One show once a year is fine.

What needs to be done is add more flair to the show. I'm 23 years old and collect various stuff both vintage and modern. Cards, pennants, odd ball items, I love it all. But even I get bored eventually with the show. The autograph area is rubbish. It needs to be done up and add more dynamic.

Why can't all the Sports Hall of Fames have small traveling exhibits on display? How could would it be to go and learn about any of the sports long fabled histories and then be able to buy relics of that time all in the same building?

Personally, I (and I'm sure most of you) like the hunt and thrill of trying to find that certain *something*. The IX Center (Cle) and the Chicago location both have vast parking lots for use. Maybe allow for a "flea market" outside that flows into the building.

What would be real cool but I think logistics would kill the idea, but have the National at one location in a city, and then smaller shows around the city throughout that week to drum up interest for the National itself. It'd be similar to how cities have concerts at different venues during a weekend but the shows are all intertwined into one main event.

Actually some of this stuff sounds interesting. Nice to think outside of the old box sometimes....good post.

Rickyy
10-06-2010, 02:28 AM
Personally would love to see it back on the West Coast again, but hell would freeze over before it will ever happen again....

makersmarkambassador
10-06-2010, 02:33 AM
This was a while back and I can't remember where the National was held, but in '93 or '94 they had a Tri-Star show in St.Louis that was pretty nice. Not as big as a National show but close enough. If they had a smaller show in the midwest, I think that would be nice.

tolstoi
10-06-2010, 05:30 AM
I really would push for a west coast one as well the east coast one.

Bilko G
10-06-2010, 05:36 AM
While i think one big National convention a year is good. I think there is demand and a need for another big show a year on the West coast as well. It doesn't have to be the National, but it has to be a "National like" show as far as size and dealers (obviously it won't be as big, but you you get my point). Have the west coast show rotate between cities like Anaheim, San Diego, Seattle and even Vancouver.

barrysloate
10-06-2010, 07:25 AM
After 140 votes the poll is tied 70-70. Now that's parity.

HRBAKER
10-06-2010, 08:03 AM
After 140 votes the poll is tied 70-70. Now that's parity.


Roger Goodell would be very proud of us.

barrysloate
10-06-2010, 08:11 AM
Too late Jeff. The yeses have taken the lead.

HRBAKER
10-06-2010, 08:16 AM
Too late Jeff. The yeses have taken the lead.


It's those voters in Chicago stuffing the ballot box as usual in hopes of a "second" national in their venue. :D

Jewish-collector
10-06-2010, 02:12 PM
If Net54 doesn't host a dinner, who cares? :)

The Net54 dinner was actually the best part of the National.

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teetwoohsix
10-06-2010, 02:22 PM
I'd love to see it hit Vegas at least once before the year 2020 :D

Clayton

tedzan
10-06-2010, 03:29 PM
Regarding this recurring comment by several posters here....."that some dealers would pick and choose only one National, rather than
doing both shows".

Then, I ask you to recall how many shows were skipped by quality vintage card dealers like....Kevin Savage, Terry Knouse, Irv Lerner,
Roger Neufeldt, Levi Bleam & Co., Steve Verkman, Brian Dec, Wayne Varner & Bill Zimpleman, Bill Huggins, Bill McAvoy, etc., etc.....all
those years at the Philly show (prior to Hunt), and other major Boston, Chicago, California, and NY area Shows that were held 2, or 3,
or 4 times a year in which these dealers were set-up ? ?

I would bet, if you seriously think about this question and answer it honestly, it will prove that this concern of yours is irrelevant.


TED Z

E93
10-06-2010, 03:59 PM
Ted,
My concern would not be that major dealers would not show up, but that my non-dealer collector friends would be divided, which over time would lessen the draw of either one. One of the big draws for me is that the National is the one show that many friends try to make it to every year. Many, myself included, might have less of a draw if it were not the one big event every year that so many people try to attend.
JimB

Rob D.
10-06-2010, 04:16 PM
Regarding this recurring comment by several posters here....."that some dealers would pick and choose only one National, rather than
doing both shows".

Then, I ask you to recall how many shows were skipped by quality vintage card dealers like....Kevin Savage, Terry Knouse, Irv Lerner,
Roger Neufeldt, Levi Bleam & Co., Steve Verkman, Brian Dec, Wayne Varner & Bill Zimpleman, Bill Huggins, Bill McAvoy, etc., etc.....all
those years at the Philly show (prior to Hunt), and other major Boston, Chicago, California, and NY area Shows that were held 2, or 3,
or 4 times a year in which these dealers were set-up ? ?

I would bet, if you seriously think about this question and answer it honestly, it will prove that this concern of yours is irrelevant.


TED Z

Ted,

I know your preference is to gloss over and ignore pieces of information that contradict your theories, but the landscape of the hobby was different then than it is now.

Then = The hobby was experiencing GROWTH

Now = Not as much GROWTH

Hope this helps.

barrysloate
10-06-2010, 04:18 PM
Ted and I discussed his last post earlier today, and my feeling was all the dealers he cited traveled east to do four shows a year because it was profitable for them to do so. Whether it would make sense for any dealers to set up for two nationals a year today would depend on economics. Again, it's a different climate and a difficult time for businesses to be expanding. It may even be time for the Philadelphia show to cut back to two or three times a year instead of the current four.

chaddurbin
10-06-2010, 04:22 PM
i voted for 2 just in case they'd consider having the west coast on the rotation again...self-serving i guess as that's the only chance i get to meet up with jimb again as he's big-leagued me since stumbling on this board and finding cooler friends...

Doug
10-06-2010, 04:31 PM
I'd just like them to have one in Cincinnati so I hopefully I could get a chance to go. :)

tedzan
10-06-2010, 04:39 PM
As usual you selectively pick & choose to ignore anything I (or others) post. Here are my comments regarding GROWTH trends in the hobby
that I posted back in Post #12.

And, do NOT say you didn't read this.....because you quoted my last sentence in this post in your attempt to be a wise-ass (in post #13).

My comments in post #12......

""History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.

For example. the Philly Show started as an annual event in Willow Grove, PA in 1975. Then it was expanded to a March and September show.
Bob Schmierer expanded it to 3 times a year in 1988. And, when it moved to a larger facility (Ft. Washington) in 1993, it was expanded to 4
shows a year. Each of these expansions increased the attendance and improved the quality of this show. The same can be said for several
other shows across the country in that time period.

However, for various and sundry factors, we are no longer in a GROWTH trend in this hobby. Having the National twice a year may introduce
some new excitement into the hobby, and reverse this trend."


Rob....stop being such a freakin' contrarian.....just grow up, will you.


TED Z

Rob D.
10-06-2010, 05:29 PM
As usual you selectively pick & choose to ignore anything I (or others) post. Here are my comments regarding GROWTH trends in the hobby
that I posted back in Post #12.

And, do NOT say you didn't read this.....because you quoted my last sentence in this post in your attempt to be a wise-ass (in post #13).

My comments in post #12......

""History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.

For example. the Philly Show started as an annual event in Willow Grove, PA in 1975. Then it was expanded to a March and September show.
Bob Schmierer expanded it to 3 times a year in 1988. And, when it moved to a larger facility (Ft. Washington) in 1993, it was expanded to 4
shows a year. Each of these expansions increased the attendance and improved the quality of this show. The same can be said for several
other shows across the country in that time period.

However, for various and sundry factors, we are no longer in a GROWTH trend in this hobby. Having the National twice a year may introduce
some new excitement into the hobby, and reverse this trend."


Rob....stop being such a freakin' contrarian.....just grow up, will you.


TED Z

Ted,

I'm not picking and choosing what you say. The simple fact is you're basing your opinions (namely, expanding the National) on a time when the hobby was in a much healthier state. You can cite all you want about how shows grew and expanded when the hobby was in its heyday. But the hobby, and the economy, is not experiencing that heyday right now. But, as I said (and has been proved time and time and time again), you choose to ignore facts that don't support your stances, whether it be the National, uncut sheets, T206 proof strips, etc., etc., etc.

Also, thank you for reminding us about Ted's No. 1 rule: Disagree with Ted and you're either:

1. A wise ass

2. A contrarian

3. A derailer of his threads

4. Someone who "gangs up" on him

5. All of the above.

Ted, I understand that you don't like it when people disagree with you, so let me offer you a pacifier:

I think it would be a great idea to have two Nationals a year.

There. Happy?

HRBAKER
10-06-2010, 05:34 PM
Rob that was very counter-contrarian of you. I would agree that I don't think that it is an overall lack of quality shows that is keeping the hobby from expanding. I think it is a combination of overexpansion in the "heyday," genuine lack of interest for the most part in the younger set (natural), the like-it-or-not perception that it is a hobby rife with chicanery and charlatans, and the economy. I really don't see a 2nd National as being a panacea for any of that. On the other hand it would be fun to go to two every year.

perezfan
10-06-2010, 06:47 PM
If they had an eastern national and a western national it might give more people a chance to go that otherwise don't want to travel cross country.

This is a key point. I would attend twice as many Nationals if it ever came back to California, Las Vegas, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix or even Denver. I am sure that many other potential attendees (West of the Mississippi) who currently skip it would attend more as well.

So you might lose a few East Coast/Midwest people, but you would gain many others. That's my admittedly biased left coast viewpoint.

danc
10-06-2010, 07:02 PM
No.

I'm on team Rob.

Baltimore was nice, mostly because it wasn't Cleveland. What made the National great back then were the many collectible avenues and the unpredictable nature of the show that surrounded the current card craze (at the time) which ceases to exist. And eBay and auction houses with their thick catalogs. IMO, there is a reason why there are so few card shows today.

I have been going to Willow Grove (now the Hunt debacle) since 1988 and the last show was a disgrace of sorts, and it doesn't appear that it will ever be what that great show once was. If there were no autograph guests, would anyone come? After you pay $80 for Schilling, will you have any money left over to buy and if you are paying that for him, do you care about vintage cards and memorabilia anyways?

I think I will stick to the one National per year.

DanC

Rich Klein
10-06-2010, 08:34 PM
Circa 1994; just as the Hobby was about to go on a downward slope (circumstances including baseball strike, internet, etc) many of the major dealers were trying to create a group of mini-Nationals each year.

The Late Wanda Marcus was hosting the "Southwest" National and there was one in 1994, Gloria Rothstein already had the "East Coast National" and I believe Jack Petruzelli was going to do the "West Coast National". I can't for my memory remember who was going to host the "Mid-West National".

The concept was, as we were discussing in this thread, the National being too big and too hard to get to each year for everyone, so the National would be brought to them.

Alas, with the confluence of events beginning in August 1994, this set up never occured.

If this did not happen when we were still close to our hobby peak, how we going to pull this off today

One National a year is plenty, but perhaps some local promoters can step up their game to help bring shows back

Regards
Rich Klein

HexsHeroes
10-06-2010, 09:19 PM
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. . . and when/where are they generally held each year ?


Could any of them be considered scaled-down versions of a National show ? I realize that use of the term "scaled-down" is quite vague, so I'll leave it up to you to decide what's acceptable and what's not.

sox1903wschamp
10-06-2010, 09:31 PM
One National a year is plenty, but perhaps some local promoters can step up their game to help bring shows back

Regards
Rich Klein

I agree with this. One is enough but it sure would be nice to see promoters step up and bring back shows but we have to do our part and support them.

E93
10-06-2010, 10:08 PM
i voted for 2 just in case they'd consider having the west coast on the rotation again...self-serving i guess as that's the only chance i get to meet up with jimb again as he's big-leagued me since stumbling on this board and finding cooler friends...

I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

Leon
10-06-2010, 10:17 PM
I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

I feel a group hug coming on....duck, quick :o

chaddurbin
10-07-2010, 12:33 AM
I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

hehe just playing around jim...our schedules got crossed up a couple times we couldn't meet. we'll see each other again sometimes down the line, no biggie.

-Q

RiverOnFire
10-07-2010, 01:42 AM
I agree with this. One is enough but it sure would be nice to see promoters step up and bring back shows but we have to do our part and support them.

How would you (and everyone else on the board) go about organizing a show, if given the chance?

And for those of you whom have done shows in the past, what do you usually look for in deciding to book a table. I'm thinking cost of the table, location of event, and type of show?

Jewish-collector
10-07-2010, 09:20 AM
Maybe there could be a "Net54 show". Just vintage - cards, memorabilia, autographs, etc,... but only vintage material.

I believe Ed Keetz in Syracuse (?) had done this in the past & I was told it was very successful.

timzcardz
10-07-2010, 12:15 PM
My suggestion is that the National should be held twice a year.
Perhaps in April and then September.


First, I voted no, in particular because of the suggested months.

There is a lot of discussion about the growth or non-growth of the hobby, but one thing that I believe is that the long term growth of the hobby will not come from people on their death beds, but rather children introduced to the hobby.

April and September, kids are in school, and that would eliminate them from the mix unless they are local to the venue for the weekend.

August is perfect for the national as part of a family vacation. My 16YO had a blast with me in Baltimore this year, and along with my wife we also did many others things during the week that we spent there. It also makes it more financially reasonable for me to incorporate the National as part of a family vacation.

With that said though, looking back on Baltimore, I don't recall seeing many other minors at the convention. So maybe my thoughts that this is a good family type thing are not shared by many.

Jayjones82
10-07-2010, 01:20 PM
With the exception of this year, why is the convention always in Ohio or Illinois? I attended the Atlanta show in the early-/mid-nineties with my dad and had a great time

E93
10-07-2010, 01:23 PM
I feel a group hug coming on....duck, quick :o

Come on Leon, join in. The more, the merrier. :p
After all those Dead shows, I think I am a hippie at heart.
JimB

RiverOnFire
10-07-2010, 02:51 PM
There is a lot of discussion about the growth or non-growth of the hobby, but one thing that I believe is that the long term growth of the hobby will not come from people on their death beds, but rather children introduced to the hobby.


I am not sure kids would get into the hobby by themselves. Kids always look for the cool new thing to do whether it's video games, music, etc. Why try to collect a set or a player when there are more rewarding* things to do?

I say this because had my dad not showed/purchased cards for me, I really don't think I'd be into collecting cards now.

Tyler
10-07-2010, 04:07 PM
Currently 52.81% voted NO. Does this mean that Ted is now the contrarian?

bbsports
10-07-2010, 04:43 PM
One good show is better than 2 bad shows.

E93
10-07-2010, 04:58 PM
All things being equal, who among this group of geeks would not enjoy more Nationals and closer to home? The fact that more than half of us do not think it is a good idea is telling IMHO. I guess all things are not equal.:rolleyes:
JimB

tinkereversandme
10-07-2010, 05:54 PM
I voted No as well. And wasn't Keetz out of Albany, New York? I think he still does a few shows a year. I think he did the Mets 86 reunion show.

Here's the million dollar question: The National is in first place, but what show is in second? Doesn't seem like it's King Of Prussia. Anyone been to Chantilly? Anything out West?

Larry