Black Sox pickups

[Shoeless Moe]

Here are a few Black Sox related items I've picked up this summer.....anybody else have anything I'd love to see what you have.

[Shoeless Moe]

A couple more:

[mr2686]

Hi Shoeless...this is one of my favorite subjects. Here's a couple of autographs to go along with the topic:

[thegashousegang]

Some really nice items - thanks for sharing.

[prewarsports]

I have one of these in my personal collection so I did not bid as high as I should have, but someone got a great deal on this signature from ebay last week!

Rhys

[mr2686]

Some additional "clean sox" players:

[Forever Young]

Joe with his trophies: Joe is shown with two trophies he won in 1917. The trophy on the right he won in Boston by throwing a baseball 396 feet in competition against the best long-distance throwers in the American and National leagues(including Ruth). He broke all records for throwing a baseball the farthest. The trophy on the left is for outbatting Ty Cobb in a critical series in 1917. The picture of Joe was taken while he was traveling back to his native South after the baseball season. He stopped long enough between trains to pose for this picture. These trophies are still in the Jackson family..............

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/weino23/Type%201%20photos/Joe_Jackson_PAUL_THOMPSON-1.jpg

[mr2686]

How about a couple of Hall of Famers. I often wonder if Red Faber would have been one of the boys and taken money if he would have been healthy enough to play.

[ksfarmboy]

Shoeless who's in the photograph and I can't make out the bat.

[snider4prez]

Great stuff guys!!! My favorite subject. Here are a few things I have on the old Black Soxs
Trevor

[MGHPro]

One of the rarest, if not the rarest of the Spalding bats
Matt
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/mghproductions/carbats044.jpg http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/mghproductions/carbats045.jpg http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/mghproductions/carbats046.jpg

[Shoeless Moe]

Thanks.....the pix is a Bain of Happy Felsch and the bat is a Game Used 1916-1919 Chick Gandil. Sorry the pix of it isn't good, the name looks better in person.

[mr2686]

Oh man I'd love to have a couple of 1919 WS stubs...great stuff.
Here's a couple more autos from the team:

[thekingofclout]

Joe with his trophies: Joe is shown with two trophies he won in 1917, the trophy on the right he won in Boston by throwing a baseball 396 feet, in competition against the best long-distance throwers in the American and National leagues(including Ruth). He broke all records for throwing a baseball the farthest. The trophy on the left is for outbatting Ty Cobb in a critical series in 1917. The picture of Joe was taken while he was traveling back to his native South after the baseball season , he stopped long enough between trains to pose for this picture. These trophies are still in the Jackson family..............

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad320/weino23/Type%201%20photos/Joe_Jackson_PAUL_THOMPSON-1.jpg

Damn Ben. That's a killer photo...

[Shoeless Moe]

Just got this puppy back from PSA - been waiting for one at a "decent" price for a long time.

The PSA population for Game 2 is 7 now. If anyone has access to their population report, can you tell me how many total stubs from the 1919 Series have been encaps by them, just curious.

[sayhey24]

Here's a 1923 sidewritten Buck Weaver -- unfortunately I can't get a good photo of the sidewriting -- it's washed out by the flash -- I'm going to have to get someone who knows something about photography to shoot it for me.

Greg

Bats and memorabilia at:
baseballbasement.com

[jb217676]

My favorite postcard!

[mr2686]

Jeff, does that postcard designation mean it's from 1909? Just wondering since Weaver didn't make the majors till 1912.

[mr2686]

actually I see what looks like 1912 on the card, but still curious as to the 1909 designation.

[jb217676]

Jeff, does that postcard designation mean it's from 1909? Just wondering since Weaver didn't make the majors till 1912.

Max Stein postcards were released between 1909-1916. PSA just uses the original year of issue on the flips. Maybe they do this because they are not exactly sure what year these postcards were issued.

[mr2686]

Cool...thanks! No matter how they designate it, it's a great postcard.

[sayhey24]

Here's a Ray Schalk game bat --

Greg

[Leon]

A few neat BF2's....

[bigfish]

A few photos.....

[Ladder7]

ca1910 penny postcard. "NO BETTING ALLOWED IN THIS PARK"... Please go to the nearest gin mill.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Prewar%20memorabilia/SouthSideBallPark.jpg

[aelefson]

Hi-
Scanned below is an issue of the Independent from 10/16/1920. It shows the "eight men out" on one page.
Alan

[Shoeless Moe]

How about a couple of Hall of Famers. I often wonder if Red Faber would have been one of the boys and taken money if he would have been healthy enough to play.

Faber would NOT have been in on it with the 8, he was a life long friend of Schalk. They knew each other in the minor league, played with each other for the Sox, and remained lifelong friends after their playing days.

Schalk even was on record saying if Faber was healthy enough to have played in that Series the conspiracy would have failed. The 8 probably wouldn't even had let him know of it, just like they didn't inform Schalk or Collins cuz they knew there was no way they'd go along.

[mr2686]

Interesting. I had never heard that about Faber and Schalk being so close. I've got a couple more Blacksox/Cleansox on my want list for next year so hopefully we can keep this thread going.

[3-2-count]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/weaverpcfinal-2.jpg

[thekingofclout]

Boy Anthony, that is sweet photo! You gotta love Weaver's white glove. Just a terrific pick-up.

My best, Jimmy

[Kawika]

Killer postcard, Tony! Lookit all them box seat swells in their straw boaters and Arrow collars getting to hang with Buck. A ripping day at the ballpark in 1913.

[Ladder7]

Stellar piece! Has Father Mulcahy placed his wager? Buck's white (light tan) glove is terrific.

[3-2-count]

Thanks for the kind words everyone in regards to the Weaver piece.
Holy cow Steve, I think that is Father Mulcahy to the left of Buck. :)

[esd10]

i wish i had that type of money to spend on those great items but im poor but very nice items.

[jimm]

Thats why I love this sight, people sharing great items i could never find or afford.

[alltimeball]

Hi everyone. New to the site. My name is Ed Gallagher. I saw this was where people were posting the Blacksox cards.

I just picked this up a week or so ago. I'm really not sure what it's worth but that's not why I got it. I just like the vintage stuff. I think it's a 1917 ? But that wouldn't make sense because the back says he has played from 1905-1920 so I don't really know. Anyway here's the card. Enjoy.

Ed

[Matt]

Hap Felsch giving Joe a massage...
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotImages/70/113640a-copy_lg.jpeg

[jb217676]

Picked up this great PC that includes Buck Weaver and Eddie Cicotte.

[Kawika]

Guess I should add these photos I picked up from Goodwin's recent auction to this amazing array of Black Sox items posted so far. Hopefully they are worthy of inclusion. (The less said about the PSA pseudo-slabs the better).

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/holygrailcards/large/Goodwin%20Felsch%20foto.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/holygrailcards/large/Goodwin%20McMullin%20foto.jpg

[GKreindler]

WOW David, those are absolutely beautiful Thompsons. Bravo!

Graig

[Ladder7]

Clean, clear images David. And a nice profile of Joe in the dugout.

Dirty beater, Nov 1917;
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Black%20Sox/1917jjaxjpg-1.jpg

[Kawika]

Thanks, Graig and Steve.
Goodwin had around eight of these Black Sox photos in his auction - all beauties - and I would have tried to win 'em all if I could but you can't have everything. I am glad to have any image of the elusive McMullin but Felsch was the one I was ready to go for with a broken beer bottle in my hand. Crisp image of an old-time ballplayer from his spikes to his jaunty cap, a game face and a game belt buckle. And, Steve, God bless your sharp eye, that indeed does look like it may be Joe Jackson in the dugout (sitting right next to Ryan Christoff) - that don't hurt one bit - although I propose that we not start a six hundred post thread to debate it.;)

[VintageBall]

http://www.vintageball.com/Hap_Telegram2.jpg

In 1927 Hap Felsch became the player-manager for the Regina, Saskatchewan independent semi-pro baseball team, which took the opportunity to re-dub itself "Hap Felsch's Regina Balmorals" in its advertising.

According to published reports, Felsch played first base, third base and even pitched in the team’s games against other independent teams in cities and towns in the Canadian provinces of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and in the U.S. in North Dakota.

This telegram (above) was sent by Felsch on July 16, 1927 to someone named Johnnie Meyers, with Hap coming to terms with Meyers to have Meyers join the team in Moose Jaw (a city 45 miles west of Regina) to play for the same salary as another player, named in the missive as “Wayne.”

A photo was later affixed to the bottom of this telegram, showing Felsch (at right) sitting alongside another Balmoral player on the team’s bench. Both are in full uniform and both are smoking cigarettes.

Is the player at left the Johnnie Meyers named in the telegram?

[mr2686]

Resurrecting this thread from earlier in the year with a pickup of of a Joe Jackson (Katie Jackson) signature. The closest I'm ever going to get to a real Jackson, and since his wife signed the majority of his stuff anyway, I felt it would be a good representation along with my other Blacksox/Cleansox items.

[btcarfagno]

My new Joe Jackson decal bat. A big one too...35 inches. Looks like the label is about 60% intact.


http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy203/collectiblesgains/jacksondecal.jpg

Tom C

[Shoeless Moe]

"beedeebeedeebeedeebuck"

[mr2686]

Just picked up a Joe Benz which at one time was pasted in to a scrapbook.

[Scott Garner]

Just picked up a Joe Benz which at one time was pasted in to a scrapbook.

Hi Mike,
That's a nice looking Benz and no doubt that is authentic.
Did you know that Joe Benz threw a no-hitter in 1914?
I'm thinking that that was signed in the late 1940's or early 1950's. Do you have any clue when it was signed based on other items in the scrapbook?
Cool!

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Benz ended up becoming a cemetery caretaker in his later years. Oddly, his teammates tended to keep track of him. I've seen a few handwritten responses from players to pioneering collectors who inquired about Benz' whereabouts (among other players). Invariably, the player would respond with "Works at cemetery, Chicago, Ill.". Might Benz have possessed more prowess than his stats would indicate, or did the Sporting News just run a "Where Are They Now?" column on him one too many times?

[mr2686]

Of course everyone knew where Joe Benz was...they were all dying to get in to his place of work! (rim shot)...thank you, I'll be here all week...try the fish!
Scott, no I didn't know that he threw a no hitter. I just looked it up and saw that it was actually the first White Sox no hitter that allowed a run (not sure how many in mlb where that has happend). Also realized that the 1919 team had 3 pitchers to either have thrown or that would throw a no hitter (Benz, Cicotte and Robertson and all three were caught by Ray Schalk)...pretty cool! Also, I did not actually see the scrapbook, just know that it was pasted into one, but your date range guess sounds about right based on strength of signature.

[Scott Garner]

Of course everyone knew where Joe Benz was...they were all dying to get in to his place of work! (rim shot)...thank you, I'll be here all week...try the fish!
Scott, no I didn't know that he threw a no hitter. I just looked it up and saw that it was actually the first White Sox no hitter that allowed a run (not sure how many in mlb where that has happend). Also realized that the 1919 team had 3 pitchers to either have thrown or that would throw a no hitter (Benz, Cicotte and Robertson and all three were caught by Ray Schalk)...pretty cool! Also, I did not actually see the scrapbook, just know that it was pasted into one, but your date range guess sounds about right based on strength of signature.

Hi Mike,

I believe that there have been 21 nine inning no-hitters pitched since 1893 (when the pitching mound moved to the 60' 6" modern standard) where at least one run was allowed.

Additionally, there have been 3 eight inning unofficial no-hitters thrown that allowed have allowed at least one run.

I hope that helps!

[Shoeless Moe]

picked up my 2nd Paul Thompson original photo in the past 2 weeks(this one is good size too just about 7x9).......selling my Buck Weaver 1914 postcard if interested, as my focus has shifted toward photos.

[milkit1]

44711

[milkit1]

Heres some more, specifically Ray Schalk (two left photos) and Kid Gleason


44724

[CFSodano]

Sean,

Yet another sick auto of Collins...Congrats

[milkit1]

thanks! Was there another Collins posted?

[bcbgcbrcb]

Love the photos, Paul.

[Scott Garner]

Love the photos, Paul.

+1 Very nice!!

[Ladder7]

great snapshots!

1913 Fenway. Would any of the Chicago gurus know who the dark skinned player may be?

[mschwade]

Black Sox fans that may not own a couple of the Eight Men Out signatures yet, Huggins and Scott will have Eddie Cicotte and Chick Candil signed 3x5's in next month's auction. I felt like they needed to be rewarded with free advertising after the swiftly pulled their ACE authenticated items!

HugginsandScott.com's Cicotte and Gandil auction (http://hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=37786&catid=270&lotno=348)

[Jaybird]

great snapshots!

1913 Fenway. Would any of the Chicago gurus know who the dark skinned player may be?


I just caught this thread again and don't know who the player you are asking about is. I'll do some more checking, but to my eye, that's Ping Bodie in the foreground.

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/jasonleemiller/2658870860_cc59c5cb6d.jpg

[Shoeless Moe]

Found this cool ticket stub, actually found 2, putting 1 up for sale, keeping the other.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180896899702

Only post banishment ticket I've ever seen from any of the 8. Well from a league they played in I should say.

[GrayGhost]

Too bad you can't assert it FOR SURE to a game he played in. Still, a cool piece indeed. Good luck w the auction.

[Jlighter]

Found this cool ticket stub, actually found 2, putting 1 up for sale, keeping the other.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180896899702

Only post banishment ticket I've ever seen from any of the 8. Well from a league they played in I should say.

Yeah I was the first bid on it, it's still a cool piece if one of the Black Sox played in it or not.

[Mark]

I've posted this before, but this thread is so cool, I thought I'd add it. It is the bat that started me collecting pre-war stuff many years ago.

[Shoeless Moe]

and the story behind it - share it with others if u like - pretty amazing find!

[attellfan4life]

Here are a few of Attell . Sorry on the small pic. still new at this.

[Runscott]

picked up my 2nd Paul Thompson original photo in the past 2 weeks(this one is good size too just about 7x9).......selling my Buck Weaver 1914 postcard if interested, as my focus has shifted toward photos.

Interesting. I just received the same photo, with a similarly-stamped back. I believe mine is also 7X9 (don't have it with me at the moment):

http://net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=44706&stc=1&d=1314232869

http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fnewnames %2f300%2f7%2f6%2f2%2f2%2f7622045.jpg%5d%2ccontinue onerror%5btrue%5d&scale=size%5b450x2000%5d%2coptions%5blimit%5d&source=url%5bfile%3aimages%2finetpub%2fwebuse%2fno _image_available.gif%5d%2cif%5b%28%27global.source .error%27%29%5d&sink=preservemd%5btrue%5d

[mr2686]

Resurrecting this thread with a nice Complete Karl Wingler questionairre of Eddie Murphy from the 1919 team. Not sure how many more Sox autos I'll be picking up, but I do know there will be an Eddie Collins and Kenesaw Landis in my future :)

[scooter729]

I'll keep it going with one from earlier this year but never added here - the 1916 squad, posing with a postal workers' convention on the field at Comiskey.

[Runscott]

I'm waiting for someone to post that 1919 Senators program, featuring the Black Sox and Walter Johnson pitching - from last week's Legendary auction.

[Michael B]

Mike,

Did you notice that Eddie Murphynoted that he had two different colored eyes? I noticed it since I have one blue and one green and my dad has one blue and one brown (like David Bowie).

Cheers,

Michael B

[mr2686]

Mike,

Did you notice that Eddie Murphynoted that he had two different colored eyes? I noticed it since I have one blue and one green and my dad has one blue and one brown (like David Bowie).

Cheers,

Michael B

No, I hadn't noticed that. That's actually pretty cool when you see stuff like that. I also like where it asks "color hair before greying".

[Shoeless Moe]

love that headline and looking forward to reading what Shoeless Joe admitted to....

[TUM301]

"Field Of Dreams" was on again last nite. Haven`t seen it for a while, hard to believe it`s 25 years old. Reminded me of playing catch with my father and of course the Great Joe Jackson. Bye the way, is "have a catch" instead of "play catch" a more common phrase in different parts of the country?

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w286/hughmurphy/IMG_2931.jpg (http://s179.photobucket.com/user/hughmurphy/media/IMG_2931.jpg.html)

[Runscott]

Game one of the 1919 World Series, 8th inning - Heinie Groh slides under Buck Weaver's tag at third, Lowdermilk backing up the play at left.

[bgar3]

That photo is used for the cover of Luhr's book, The Great Baseball Mystery.

[Runscott]

Thanks for that info. My copy has stamps and slugs all over the back. The earliest stamp is 'OCT 6 1919', but there are also two from 1994 and one from 1988. It was well-used by publications.

[Yi]

Some photos I have.

[Shoeless Moe]

I've been watching for 15 years now. I've seen 3 of these, one being this one, the other 2: one in a Chicago Restaurant about 6 years ago I was in and made an offer to the owner who declined. Saw another one after the fact at auction that went for a $1000 unframed (however in better condition then the one I just picked up). Mine came very nicely pre-framed. Just THEE Best Headline/Paper I've ever seen, finally snagged one.

[JoeyFarino]

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq224/Blackitalian/edcicotte_zpsbf0a918f.jpg (http://s450.photobucket.com/user/Blackitalian/media/edcicotte_zpsbf0a918f.jpg.html)

My paul thompson photo

[murphusa]

ash Wednesday?

[JoeyFarino]

ash Wednesday?

Lol...it mustve been!

[Shoeless Moe]

I've been watching for 15 years now. I've seen 3 of these, one being this one, the other 2: one in a Chicago Restaurant about 6 years ago I was in and made an offer to the owner who declined. Saw another one after the fact at auction that went for a $1000 unframed (however in better condition then the one I just picked up). Mine came very nicely pre-framed. Just THEE Best Headline/Paper I've ever seen, finally snagged one.



All "8 Men out" are shown.

[Joshchisox08]

Great stuff guys!!! My favorite subject. Here are a few things I have on the old Black Soxs
Trevor


Mother of god that pennant !!!!!!!

[CrazyDiamond]

Picked this up from another board member

[ThomasL]

while searching through things, as Im new to the website, I thought I would post in this old thread as it is my main area of collecting. Over the years I have bought and sold many items, some I wish I had never sold (a Morris Rath signed GPC for starters). These are some autographs I currently have, including two 1917 Sox.
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p447/tommylee42/20180426_012808_zpsyctdbcut.jpg

[TUM301]

Very nice items Thomas, please feel free to "post away" as there are many Black Sox fans on the site that enjoy seeing pieces related to the team.

[ThomasL]

Picked up a nice 1925 original wire photo 5x7 of Harvey McClellan that ran for his obit. Discoloration on the front due to glue used on the back to glue piece of paper with information relating to the article.

Now if I could only find an autograph of his to go with it (I have only seen one offered on the market before)

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p447/tommylee42/Image%2073_zpslkirtsmv.jpg

http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p447/tommylee42/Image%2074_zpsjnypmorl.jpg

[TUM301]

Great picture of Harvey, Thomas, and as you said tough auto. Thought fellow Black Sox collectors might like to check out these recently purchased EBAY items. Really like the Ruth/B Sox connection with these pics of the band performance being within a week of Landis ending ending the famed B Sox playing careers.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-BABE-RUTH-PHOTO-ST-MARYS-INDUSTRIAL-SCHOOL-FOR-BOYS-YANKEES-WHITE-SOX/183375959657?hash=item2ab20f1669:g:w~UAAOSwQc5bZ2k D

[jerseygary]

I just did an illustration and story of McClellan for a book I'm writing about Kentucky baseball. Though in many places he's called "Harvey," his real first name was "Hervey." He was from Cynthiana, about halfway between Cincinnati and Lexington and did his WWI Army service at Fort Thomas right down the street from me. Poor guy had his career and life cut short by stomach cancer.

[ss]

Here is a McClellan signature from a multi-signed album page.

[ThomasL]

I can never remember which one was correct Hervey or Harvey thx for the reminder!
Thanks for the pic of the auto Steve. Keating had a multi signed album page with McClellan years ago that at the time I wish I had the extra cash to splurge on it (I think his was on a blue album page...cant remember)

[sphere and ash]

The Swede, in a contact print by Charles Conlon. I think this portrait isn’t as strong as it could be, and not nearly as strong as a portrait he took of Gandil, probably on the same day. If you have the Gandil print (or Cicotte), please contact me!

[ThomasL]

I have had a Swede Risberg signature in the past on a 3x5, but I have had my heart set on one of the fabled Van Buskirk 3x5 signatures. Final was able to purchase one this past week (JSA cert too).

A few of the Buskirk's have little imperfections as Risberg was in the hospital and signed, rumor has it, 100 index cards overnight. This one has one with the "i" in Risberg.

If anyone has an extra Felsch signature laying around or that Bill James signed contract from REA a few years back...hit me up!
https://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p447/tommylee42/Risberg_zps3fzqbvp9.jpg (https://s347.photobucket.com/user/tommylee42/media/Risberg_zps3fzqbvp9.jpg.html)

[ThomasL]

being 100th anniversary I would think there was a lot of stuff out there available.

curious are there any cards of Grover Lowdermilk? If so if someone has one I'd love to see a picture/scan of it

[mr2686]

Some photos I have.

I was going back over this tread and I saw the press verbiage on the back of Gandil's photo mentioning the 1917 fix involving the White Sox and the Tigers. Interesting that obviously the 1919 team were not just pissed off about not getting a bonus, but probably were also prone to fixing games. The attached link is about the 1917 scandal, and what also is interesting is they mention Detroit pitcher Bill James. The same Bill James that made it on to the 1919 White Sox late in the season and did pitch 4.2 innings in the series giving up 8 hits annd 4 runs. Now maybe he was just washed up, or maybe...just maybe there were more than 8 men out. LOL
https://www.vintagedetroit.com/blog/2016/05/28/did-the-tigers-throw-games-in-1917-so-the-white-sox-could-win-the-pennant/

[ThomasL]

I always thought Bill James and Byrd Lynn probably knew about the fix before the series started...James based on his involvement in the 1917 "fix" stuff and Lynn bc he was TIGHT with Jackson (WS roomate) and Lefty Williams...also both James and Lynn were West Coast PCL players...as were a vast majority of banned players (Gandil, Gedeon, Risberg, Williams, Chase, McMullin, Weaver)

[ss]

Continuing this thread. I noticed the current Written Word auction has a Buck Weaver signature (signature attached). It does not look quite right to me, but am wondering if there are any other opinions.

[Shoeless Moe]

Continuing this thread. I noticed the current Written Word auction has a Buck Weaver signature (signature attached). It does not look quite right to me, but am wondering if there are any other opinions.

Pretty sure that's the 2nd time this one has been up for sale this year. Guessing it didn't sell the first time. I'm not an expert on sigs., but I too
checked it out a few months back and compared to his other sigs and this one just does not look like his others.

Also, a pretty common name, so worried its just another George Weaver.

Last, I think that Written Word has a few bad reviews if you do a search.

So just too many red flags.

[mr2686]

It could be an early sig. Threre are a couple of tells that occur in later sigs too but also some that are very different. With that said, I avoid anything these days if my conclusion is it "could be". I know it's a hard one to find, but tread carefully. Good luck.

[ThomasL]

Bought a lot of 1919 Sox Heilbroner Info Cards which included a signed Dick Kerr but really was after this one. I feel ths "This is correct" is in Jenkins hand, but the pencil "Joseph" probably isnt. Anyone out there have a Joe jenkins autograph? This is the closest I have come

[doug.goodman]

The Reds is the cover of the Roto section in the Chicago Sunday Tribune on Sept 21, 1919.

The Sox is a blank backed supplement to the same paper dated a week earlier (Sept 14, 1919).

Both are about 12 X 17.5 inches.

[Topnotchsy]

Got excited when I saw this. It doesn't really fit in my collection so I may end up moving it when something comes along that is more of a fit, but I think it is super cool.

One of the most fascinating people around. Some of the details on the back.

[JoeDfan]

Got excited when I saw this. It doesn't really fit in my collection so I may end up moving it when something comes along that is more of a fit, but I think it is super cool.

One of the most fascinating people around. Some of the details on the back.

WOW. I have a few of those cards for Johnny Pesky and one or two others, but that one is AWESOME!!!

[Topnotchsy]

WOW. I have a few of those cards for Johnny Pesky and one or two others, but that one is AWESOME!!!

Thanks! I saw it and thought it was super cool. Love that he signed his name and included details on the back (like playing under the name "Arnold" etc. Some things I would have thought he might have kept quiet.

[rgpete]

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[BeanTown]

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[Dave Grob]

This all just came together recently..


Dave Grob
davegrob1@aol.com

[ThomasL]

Picked up this circa 1940s-50s print of what is labeled the 1920 White Sox, but is the 1919 Sox. The presence of what appears to be Dave Danforth (3rd from left) and Frank Shellenback (6th from left) would date this picture to the 1919 season. While not labeled here is my identification:

L-R
Kid Gleason, Lefty Williams, Dave Danforth, Eddie Collins, Joe Jenkins, Frank Shellenback, Dickie Kerr, Grover Lowdermilk, Ray Schalk, Eddie Cicotte, Reb Russell, Happy Felsch, Shano Collins, ?Chick Gandil?, Eddie Murphy, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Joe Jackson, Hervey McClellan, Nemo Leibold, Buck Weaver, Byrd Lynn

[Mark]

Picked up this circa 1940s-50s print of what is labeled the 1920 White Sox, but is the 1919 Sox. The presence of what appears to be Dave Danforth (3rd from left) and Frank Shellenback (6th from left) would date this picture to the 1919 season. While not labeled here is my identification:

L-R
Kid Gleason, Lefty Williams, Dave Danforth, Eddie Collins, Joe Jenkins, Frank Shellenback, Dickie Kerr, Grover Lowdermilk, Ray Schalk, Eddie Cicotte, Reb Russell, Happy Felsch, Shano Collins, ?Chick Gandil?, Eddie Murphy, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Joe Jackson, Hervey McClellan, Nemo Leibold, Buck Weaver, Byrd Lynn

Love that photo. The semii-formal poses are great. The background, with the arches of Comiskey Park, sets it up terrifically.

[Mark]

Aside from a few Joe Jackson, Eddie Collins, and Ray Schalk bats, there are not all that many Black Sox bats in the hobby. So, I offer this Reb Russell bat as a Black Sox piece. Reb's model seems to have been popular with other players: I believe that even after he retired other players would order his model, with his signature, for their own use. But this one is said to match his orders from H&B. True, Reb didn't contribute much to the Sox in 1919. He pitched to a couple of batters with poor results. But he did play for them in 1919!

[ThomasL]

I was too slow to land the Felsch and not interested in the "Lefty Williams" with the wrong picture (Hugh High). Great looking cards with the Collins-McCarthy Baseball's Hall of Fame backs. Was told they were cut from a sheet which is why the A grades (my picture does not do them justice)

[ThomasL]

My first attempt at making a display for my Black Sox cards...not perfect but not a bad first attempt...just need one more to complete the collection

[Tom S.]

Thomas, cool display piece! Good luck on getting a Jackson card to complete it!

[ThomasL]

Would like to see some folks' recent pickups...

I'm going to make a couple of posts in here this week after a few big pickups for me thanks to a net54 member

Picked up my last Risberg card, 1916 Zeenut, to complete his 3 card checklist (I dont count the 1917-18 Team set as only one set is known to exist)

It's not perfect obviously, a scrapbook removal with some staining and writing with trimmed down edges, but the image is great!

...Now ISO 1915 Zeenuts of Williams and Burns, and a nice low-mid level 1915 Cicotte Cracker Jack...and a W514 Jackson of course...

[mr2686]

Nice pickup Thomas, and good luck finding a nice 1915 Cicotte CJ. I got mine about 30 years ago but misplaced it for many years when we moved. Fortunately found it 3 years ago in an old briefcase along with some forgotten autographs.

[ThomasL]

Nice pickup Thomas, and good luck finding a nice 1915 Cicotte CJ. I got mine about 30 years ago but misplaced it for many years when we moved. Fortunately found it 3 years ago in an old briefcase along with some forgotten autographs.

Same damn thing happened to me! I had a nice raw one...probably about a 5 grade I bought about 20+ years ago... kept it in one of those thick screw down holders and it disappeared. Unfortunately I have never found it and have decided it must have been stolen by a college roommate

[ThomasL]

This month picked up a Felsch signature and the 1916 Risberg, last month I added the 1917 Collins-McCarthy Felsch.

Plus the last 2 months picked up signed photos of the White Sox clubhouse attendants the Colledge brothers and a signed AP of mascot/batboy Eddie Bennett.

[ThomasL]

Picked up 2 signed documents to round out signatures of the 1919 White Sox front office staff.

Owner - Charles Comiskey
1910 signed letter

Business Manager - Norris O'Neill
1912 Western League signed pass

to go along with my...

Team Secretary - Harry Grabiner
1935 signed letter


Treasurer/Traveling Secretary - John Louis Comiskey
signed letter cut

[jonvancouver]

Do those bats ever come up for auction?

[mr2686]

Thomas, you've had one heck of a good year so far on the Black Sox collection. Can't wait to see what's next.

[Kevin]

Thomas - I am sort of a Joe Jenkins fan. Very long story. Does his memorabilia come up at all? I wouldn’t even know where to look.

Great stuff, by the way!

[ThomasL]

Thomas - I am sort of a Joe Jenkins fan. Very long story. Does his memorabilia come up at all? I wouldn’t even know where to look.

Great stuff, by the way!

I have never seen a signature of his for sale outside one being in the Jack Smalling collection...I think Kevin Keating had one once upon a time maybe as well. That info card with his hand written note is closest I have ever come. He has baseball cards (zeenuts) and type 1 photos that come up for auction every so often.

I get the impression he would have been a fun guy to hang around, I read an interview he gave later in life where he basically said he was very happy being the 3rd string catcher. He also wrote letters to Comiskey from over seas while he served in WW1 that were printed in the papers that are a fun read.

[TUM301]

One of my favorite collecting niches, 1919 Black Sox. There`s always great items being added to this thread, the latest continuing that trend. Always on the lookout for "affordable" B Sox related pieces and this one fit the bill. Not sure if it was here or read somewhere else but, supposedly soon after Chick Gandil was acquired by the White Sox he had these clothing items charged to Charles Comisky. Of course Comisky had never heard of the arrangement and kept this in his scrapbook to apparently recoup payment from Chick. Now that must have been an interesting conversation.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51092703718_9d3475938e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kQTsLN)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2kQTsLN) by Hugh Murphy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154296763@N05/), on Flickr

[ThomasL]

That's a very cool piece!

Was part of Comiskey's scrapbook and there was a letter accompanying the bill that sold at auction not to long ago. I dont own it but did grab pictures of it.

[Kevin]

I have never seen a signature of his for sale outside one being in the Jack Smalling collection...I think Kevin Keating had one once upon a time maybe as well. That info card with his hand written note is closest I have ever come. He has baseball cards (zeenuts) and type 1 photos that come up for auction every so often.

I get the impression he would have been a fun guy to hang around, I read an interview he gave later in life where he basically said he was very happy being the 3rd string catcher. He also wrote letters to Comiskey from over seas while he served in WW1 that were printed in the papers that are a fun read.

His brother - William - made it big in Mexico. Some crazy backstory, too. As for my fascination with Joe:

Mid to late 80s, my friend Billy and I were trying to round out the 1919 White Sox on Micro League Baseball. We had to field 25 players and spent an afternoon pouring over the baseball encyclopedia for any player that had at bats for the team. We stumbled upon Joe Jenkins. I believe his birthday was in October and my buddy, Billy, was born in October. He passed away in late June. School let out in late June. Joe Jenkins became a hero for us.

To see if someone was telling the truth, we’d say: “Swear on Joe Jenkins!” and the other, if they were being completely honest, would reply “I swear on Joe Jenkins”. There was a penalty if that oath was ever broken.

I still see Billy from time to time and Joe’s name still gets bandied about.

The little I’ve read on him does indeed make him seem like an interesting character. I got to check out those baseball cards...

[Kevin]

Thomas - I can’t thank you enough for sending Mr Jenkins my way. You are a true mensch ! Thank you...thank you 1000x

[ThomasL]

Thomas - I can’t thank you enough for sending Mr Jenkins my way. You are a true mensch ! Thank you...thank you 1000x

Way too cool a story for you not to have a Joe Jenkins card! You're very welcome!

[mr2686]

Very cool!

[ThomasL]

I dont know if we are suppose to post cards in this topic/thread or not...Im just realizing that...but I picked up a 1912 Zeenut Home Run Kisses Win Noyes which completes his 4 card checklist for me (I think)
1911 Zeenut, 1912 Zeenut, 1912 Home Run Kisses, 1916 Zeenut

[Djcmac1]

Great stuff guys!!! My favorite subject. Here are a few things I have on the old Black Soxs
Trevor

Love the pennant!

[mr2686]

I figured I'd never get a Lefty Williams auto, so I went ahead and picked up this. I don't get a lot of relic cards, but I thought this would go well with my display.

[Mark]

I figured I'd never get a Lefty Williams auto, so I went ahead and picked up this. I don't get a lot of relic cards, but I thought this would go well with my display.

what is it?

[mr2686]

what is it?

It's a piece of his bat...and yes I know he was a pitcher but he was an ok hitter so I hear. Anyway, it is what it is.

[ThomasL]

Finally won a Fred McMullin photo...and just like over on the card side I just need a Joe Jackson to round out my 8 men out

From RMY's latest auction...I lost out on two great McMullin photos in the last year or so and even though this one is kind of small I will take it...great image

[mr2686]

Just picked up this Landis from Mr. Jim Stinson (damn I missed you Jim). Looks like it will get here just in time for my birthday. Yeah me. LOL

[Scott Garner]

Just picked up this Landis from Mr. Jim Stinson (damn I missed you Jim). Looks like it will get here just in time for my birthday. Yeah me. LOL

Congrats Mike! Happy birthday. :)

[mr2686]

Congrats Mike! Happy birthday. :)

Thanks Scott! It's been a pretty good year so far. Hope you're doing well.

[ThomasL]

Very nice Landis

[mr2686]

Very nice Landis

Thanks Thomas!

[ooo-ribay]

My first attempt at making a display for my Black Sox cards...not perfect but not a bad first attempt...just need one more to complete the collection

Very well done, IMO.

[ThomasL]

I have never been to "The National" and Im curious if anyone has ever picked up some great 1919 World Series/Black Sox items ever at any of the past Nationals?

[ThomasL]

My keepers from a Hunt vintage photo lot

Stamped Feb 1919 action photo of 3rd string catcher Joe Jenkins, though this photo had to have been taken sometime in 1917

Stamped Sept 1919 photo of Kid Gleason on the road...looks like Fred McMullin in the background leaning on a bat but not 100% sure

[doug.goodman]

That Jenkins picture is amazing

[ThomasL]

That Jenkins picture is amazing

Thxs. It was the reason I bid (so high!) on the lot. Been wondering if it would be worth sending to an expert that can touch up the newspaper marks?

[doug.goodman]

Thxs. It was the reason I bid (so high!) on the lot. Been wondering if it would be worth sending to an expert that can touch up the newspaper marks?

I am a big fan of leaving stuff as it is.

[mrreality68]

I am a big fan of leaving stuff as it is.

Agreed do not touch it up. It adds character and to me takes away from the piece if you "touch it up"

Great Post and Love all the Black Sox Pickups in this thread. (although I focus more on Joe Jackson then the rest)

[Jacklitsch]

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[TUM301]

Steve those are great additions Sir, enjoy those pick ups. Gotta love The Buck !

[Kevin]

Oh my goodness, that Joe Jenkins photograph! I love it, Thomas!

[babraham]

Picked up this circa 1940s-50s print of what is labeled the 1920 White Sox, but is the 1919 Sox. The presence of what appears to be Dave Danforth (3rd from left) and Frank Shellenback (6th from left) would date this picture to the 1919 season. While not labeled here is my identification:

L-R
Kid Gleason, Lefty Williams, Dave Danforth, Eddie Collins, Joe Jenkins, Frank Shellenback, Dickie Kerr, Grover Lowdermilk, Ray Schalk, Eddie Cicotte, Reb Russell, Happy Felsch, Shano Collins, ?Chick Gandil?, Eddie Murphy, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Joe Jackson, Hervey McClellan, Nemo Leibold, Buck Weaver, Byrd Lynn

Awesome photo! :)

[babraham]

Recently picked up this T207 Weaver that I was pretty excited about!

<a href="https://ibb.co/G7g5gcF"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/H7mHmnX/weaver.jpg" alt="weaver" border="0"></a>

[mrreality68]

The Reds is the cover of the Roto section in the Chicago Sunday Tribune on Sept 21, 1919.

The Sox is a blank backed supplement to the same paper dated a week earlier (Sept 14, 1919).

Both are about 12 X 17.5 inches.

WOW. Not sure How I missed this.
But I have a Postcard of the Sox that used the same exact layouts/pictures of that Chicago Sunday Tribune

[doug.goodman]

WOW. Not sure How I missed this.
But I have a Postcard of the Sox that used the same exact layouts/pictures of that Chicago Sunday Tribune

We both win.

Mine is cooler than yours, and yours is more valuable than mine.

Doug "size matters" Goodman

[mrreality68]

We both win.

Mine is cooler than yours, and yours is more valuable than mine.

Doug "size matters" Goodman

Hi Doug

I agree we both win and I agree yours is really cool and I do like the Size.

This thread is amazing and I am a Jackson enthusiast and never really knew how much non card items there are for him and seeing the Black Socks Characters and other items here is really really interesting

[doug.goodman]

This thread is amazing

I agree, one of my favorites.

[TUM301]

Count me in as another big fan of this thread. My favorite collecting niche and one that always catches my eye. Great items guys !

[ThomasL]

Been a little slow after a fast start to the year for me but did land a GREAT photo of Roy Wilkinson from 1919 (9-27-19)

RMY Auctions is great and I missed out on a great McMullin in the same auction as I forgot about the closing and didnt get in home in time to bid again on it or drive up the price for the lucky winner

[mrreality68]

and funny you thought you knew alot and you see this thread and realize there is so much more to learn
and
So much more to enjoy

[mr2686]

Finally picked up an Eddie Collins. This wouldn't have been my first choice, but the price and the fact that it fits my needs for matting made it a no brainer. Gonna start looking at matting and framing next month. I'll post when complete.

[mr2686]

Been a little slow after a fast start to the year for me but did land a GREAT photo of Roy Wilkinson from 1919 (9-27-19)

RMY Auctions is great and I missed out on a great McMullin in the same auction as I forgot about the closing and didnt get in home in time to bid again on it or drive up the price for the lucky winner

Thomas, love the Wilkinson photo. A great add for your collection!

[jgmp123]

A couple nice framed pieces that I enjoy....

[JimmyArcher]

Here's a piece that is a little bit off the beaten path from most of my Black Sox collection.

Its a piece of sheet music picturing the vaudeville act, the 4 Cook Sisters. Helen Cook, of the group, would go on to become Buck Weaver's wife.

[mrreality68]

Jason you are right it is very much off the beaten path.

But that is a great tie in to this thread.

Love it

[ThomasL]

Ending the year with a bang! Sorry not a great photo of these

-1920 Holsum Bread Lefty Williams (I think his toughest card)

-Joe Jenkins Conlon Photo

-Swede Risberg signed 3x5, one of the best examples I have seen (an upgrade for me)

and the prize piece of my collection...

-Win Noyes signed notebook page - one game pitcher for the 1919 White Sox

[ThomasL]

Big thank you to Steve Smith for dealing and allowing me to cross off two HUGE names from my want list!

Hervey McClellan on a flat is near impossible due to a very early death in 1924

Tom McGuire a one game pitcher for the 1919 White Sox is also very hard to find

The addition of these two gives me 22 of the 31 players who appeared in a game for the 1919 White Sox

-I landed a Win Noyes signature in January...these three ultra rare signatures are the prizes of my collection now! Thank you Steve!

[mr2686]

Great additions Thomas.

[babraham]

Was able to pick this up last night in the Heritage auction...my first ever ticket stub. This one from the 1910 season with Joe Jackson going 2-4 (against his former team) and Eddie Plank picking up the Win for the Athletics:

https://i.ibb.co/DwknWQp/Jackson-Plank-Stub.jpg

[TUM301]

One of my favorite subjects. Picked up this Type 1 collage from the 1919 Series .https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52254028735_da961b7319_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nBvyeV)9/26/19 Type 1 photo , Kerr/McMullin/Lynn. 1919 W Series (https://flic.kr/p/2nBvyeV) by Hugh Murphy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154296763@N05/), on Flickr

[TUM301]

Enjoy seeing any Black Sox items as well as 1919 Series related pieces. Picked up this interesting Sheet Music featuring the Sox series rivals, Cinncy Reds.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52386662468_049db5f231_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nPekCq)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2nPekCq) by Hugh Murphy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154296763@N05/), on Flickr

[mrreality68]

Enjoy seeing any Black Sox items as well as 1919 Series related pieces. Picked up this interesting Sheet Music featuring the Sox series rivals, Cinncy Reds.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52386662468_049db5f231_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nPekCq)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2nPekCq) by Hugh Murphy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154296763@N05/), on Flickr

Very cool piece

[Vintagedeputy]

I may be late to the party but I just picked up this Black Sox related gem. He’s a little rough but that’s Abe Attell.

[Schlesinj]

Picked up a few photos last night on RMY. They had a nice selection of Black Sox. I lost two and won three that I was bidding on. A couple of Conlon photos (Risberg and McMullen) and one Paul Thompson (Cicotte), so I was happy to add them to go with a Buck Weaver I already owned.

539488

539489

539490

[ThomasL]

Ya RMY had some good ones they always do! 1916 Spring Training team photo was a great item...Wanted a Fred McMullin photo but his photos are commanding a big price now...heck a Byrd Lynn and Joe Jenkins went for over 100

[docpatlv]

A couple of supplements.

1917 Chicago Sunday Herald…

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpatlv/raretypecards/1917ChicagoSundayHeraldSupplement.jpg

1915 Chicago Sunday Tribune…

https://photos.imageevent.com/docpatlv/raretypecards/large/1915ChicagoSundayTribuneWeaver_1.jpg

[Joe Hunter]

Picked this up last week

[mrreality68]

Picked this up last week

very nice joe and Congrats

[Wildfireschulte]

Here is a magazine that I've had for a long time - Top Notch Magazine dated September 20, 1914. The interview by J.A Fitzgerald covers pretty basic stuff.

[babraham]

Not a pickup for me (way too rich for my blood), but this ticket stub for the deciding game 8 of the 1919 World Series just ended on Heritage:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/tickets/1919-world-series-game-8-ticket-stub-psa-good-2-pop-two-none-superior-/a/50059-57567.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

$108k! :eek:

It shows as the reserve being $90k and it shows highest bid of $90k (w/o BP), but it doesn't show as sold.

[ThomasL]

Wow!

[Shoeless Moe]

Not a pickup for me (way too rich for my blood), but this ticket stub for the deciding game 8 of the 1919 World Series just ended on Heritage:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/tickets/1919-world-series-game-8-ticket-stub-psa-good-2-pop-two-none-superior-/a/50059-57567.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

$108k! :eek:

It shows as the reserve being $90k and it shows highest bid of $90k (w/o BP), but it doesn't show as sold.

So someone "bid" 90K but that wasn't enough for the seller, so they want 108K yah that'll happen. Guessing that 90K bid was by someone at Heritage or a friend of the consignor.

Neat ticket but more in the 50K range I'd say.

One just sold this month (yes, lesser condition than the Heritage one, but still) at Hunt for 25K.

[eastonfalcon19]

Here's a few of my Black Sox items.

[Jersey City Giants]

I just picked up a type one photo of Chick Gandil from 1910 (a Paul Thompson).

[Kevin]

Anecdotally, Maharg states he was roommates with James and Burns at the time of the fix. James has got to be the 9th man out, right?

[doug.goodman]

The 1919 m114 and 1917 m113

[Directly]

Picture of H.A Jordan's Studio which opened for business in 1881, Dubuque, Iowa!--

[Shoeless Moe]

Picture of H.A Jordan's Studio which opened for business in 1881, Dubuque, Iowa!--

What is the Black Sox connection?

[Directly]

Outside the box but still interesting shows Gleason playing second base infield position.--during that time he would have never dreamed the implications of his future roll in Baseball--Giants beat the Browns 8-3