Any R346 Blue Tint experts?

[Teamsets4u]

I have had a few questions about this set for some time.

What year was this set released?

card 17 is on the checklist as John Corriden Is this correct?

I think it is his Dad Red Corriden who coached during that time. Hard to believe they made a card of a guy who's entire career consisted of one pinch running assignment in 1946.


Also what team is Harry Walker on in this set?

If possible I would like to see images of both cards.

Thanks Jeff

[rhettyeakley]

#39 Harry Walker is pictured with the Philadelphia Phillies.

#17 John Corriden card says "Coach" right on front of the card, listed with the Yankees. Definitely John Corriden Sr. and NOT Jr.

-Rhett

[Jim VB]

Jeff,

Try this link:

http://www.obaks.com/vintagebaseballcards/r346.html


The author of this blog is a board member here.

[peterose4hof]

Hi Jeff, I just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work on your website www.Teamsets4u.com. Your website is a great research tool for us team collectors. THANKS!!!

[tedzan]

Jeff

Harry Walker is pictured with the Phillies.

Walker was traded to the Cubs on Oct 4th 1948 for Bill Nicholson. With the Walker card and Leo Durocher with the Dodgers and the Giants,
it is correctly dated to a mid 1948 issue (not 1947). These Blue Tints were issued in strips of 8 cards.

I was a 9 years in 1948, and I remember collecting the following Yankees in these Blue Tint cards.

Billy Johnson
Charlie Keller
Tommy Henrich
Johnny Lindell
Allie Reynolds
Frank Shea

I still have some of these


TED Z

[Wite3]

As an aside...that Walker seems to be tough...I rarely see it for sale and certain other cards seem plentiful (like the Yankees). Interesting little set.

As an aside...I do have a Dillinger #14 for sale or trade.

Joshua

[Teamsets4u]

Thanks for the help.

[tedzan]

The timeline of these cards is bounded by the Eddie Lopat and the Harry Walker cards.

Lopat is depicted as a Yankee (traded to Yankees on Feb 24, 1948)

Walker is depicted as a Phillie (he was traded to the Cubs on Oct 4, 1948)

I do recall collecting these cards in the Summer of 1948.

So, Burdick is in error here on two accounts.......

Dating this set as a 1947 issue; and, classifying it as an "R" issue.

These cards were printed in strips of 8 cards; therefore they are a "W" issue.


TED Z

[Leon]

The timeline of these cards is bounded by the Eddie Lopat and the Harry Walker cards.

Lopat is depicted as a Yankee (traded to Yankees on Feb 24, 1948)

Walker is depicted as a Phillie (he was traded to the Cubs on Oct 4, 1948)

I do recall collecting these cards in the Summer of 1948.

So, Burdick is in error here on two accounts.......

Dating this set as a 1947 issue; and, classifying it as an "R" issue.

These cards were printed in strips of 8 cards; therefore they are a "W" issue.


TED Z

Hey Ted
Nice information on this little obscure set. Do you know if the strips were issued in "association" with any type of candy or gum....or maybe some kind of countertop POS (point of sale) promotion? The reason I ask is that, if they were, then that might be a reason Burdick gave them the "R" designation, for "Recent candy and gum."

[tedzan]

Leon

I grew up in Hillside, NJ and these cards were not available in our neighborhood.

When we visited my cousins in Long Island, NY, they traded these cards with me.

I'll see what more info I can find out about them.


TED Z

[rhettyeakley]

As Leon eluded to there are MANY R-designated nonsports card sets that were issued in strips, so the fact that these were distributed in strips isn't anything that would confine them to the W-designation. "W-" is just a garbage designation for essentially "everything else" as it inludes Strip Cards, Exhibits, etc.

[tedzan]

This is from two independent sources (one from New York and the other from North Carolina), who purchased these cards in 1948.

They were available in "5 & 10-cent" stores as 8-card strips with NO associated gum or candy product.

The fellow in North Carolina recalls that these strips were first available in 1948. And, several stores in his area (near the Smokey
Mountains) continued to offer the Blue Tints in 1949 and 1950.


TED Z

[rhettyeakley]

Ted, for whatever reason Burdick categorized most 1930-s and 40's sets as R-cards. Many were sold in the same manner as these, a baseball example is the Eclipse Import set (R337)--is there any evidence that Candy was associated with those? How about MP & Co sets (R302), these also were sold in strips. There are tons of nonsport card examples as well... (here are just a few of them from the nonsports side)

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/R4/go.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-R34/j1.html
http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-R40/j2.html


If these were a 1920's issue they would almost certainly have been a W-set but for whatever reason they weren't really consistent with the 30's and 40's cards and whether they were R's vs. W's.

[Leon]

This is from two independent sources (one from New York and the other from North Carolina), who purchased these cards in 1948.

They were available in "5 & 10-cent" stores as 8-card strips with NO associated gum or candy product.

The fellow in North Carolina recalls that these strips were first available in 1948. And, several stores in his area (near the Smokey
Mountains) continued to offer the Blue Tints in 1949 and 1950.


TED Z

Thanks a lot, Ted. There is no info like first hand info....good stuff. (and thanks too, Rhett)

[tedzan]

RIGHT half of this 1943 M & P card strip of 8 cards.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/amp43.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

LEFT half of this 1943 M & P card strip of 8 cards.
<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/almp43.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
Rhett

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not being critical of Burdick. I was fortunate enough to see his entire collection at the Metropolitan Museum of Art
back in 1990 (when they allowed you to see it in its entirety). And, I have a tremendous appreciation for what he accomplished for the BB card hobby
and the Non-Sports card hobby.

Having said that, I feel he "erred" on issues such as the 1948 Blue Tint cards and these 1943 and 1949 M & P cards. I also collected these as a kid (in
1949) and trust me....just like the Blue Tint's....the M & P's were not associated with any form of Gum or Candy.

Also, I have all 16 (8-card) strips of the Smilin' Jack issue that you linked to. It's quite interesting that many of these strip issues were printed in an 8
card horizontal format.

Anyhow, we are stuck with the "R" designation....and, it's no big deal.



TED Z