1905 NY Giants Rotograph - Where is Mathewson?

[calvindog]

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=111314#

As seen in Legendary's auction, can anyone give me a reason why Mathewson wouldn't make the cut on this postcard?

[Bicem]

My theory...

Carl Horner did not have a nice formal studio shot of Matty to use for the large Horner composite which is pictured on the postcard.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersd/bicem/misc/1904%20US%20Souvenir.jpg

All Horner had to work with was this odd photo of Matty with a hat which would have looked really out of place in the large Horner composite (as it does in this picture).

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersd/bicem/misc/horner%20matty.JPG

Matty had his early formal studio picture taken by Ben Falk (not Horner) before visiting Carl Horner later in his career.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotImages/51/79532a_lg.jpeg

So it's not about not making the cut as a player, but not making the cut as a photograph.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ask your friend Doug. :D

[Bicem]

also missing from this original composite for I believe the same reason...

http://images.ha.com/lf?source=url[file:images/inetpub/newnames/300/5/5/8/2/5582300.jpg],continueonerror[true]&scale=size[450x2000],options[limit]&source=url[file:images/inetpub/webuse/no_image_available.gif],if[(%27global.source.error%27)]&sink=preservemd[true]

[calvindog]

Jeff, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. And Peter, that sort of sarcasm has no place on this board. No need to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. And Peter, that sort of sarcasm has no place on this board. No need to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

I would call it biting wit, not sarcasm, does that make it ok?

[Baseball Rarities]

Jeff P. - makes total sense. I had always assumed that this image was a Horner. The Sporting Life used the Falk image and drew in his uniform. It is the same image isn't it?

This particular card was issued in late 1903-04.

[benchod]

Nice reasoning it out Jeff P.
Makes perfect sense

[bijoem]

I think it was because Matty was not photogenic.

[benchod]

So which studio took this photo used on Matty's first w600?

[Bicem]

Good question. That may be an early Horner, but it would be very strange that Carl did not also take a photo of Matty in uniform. If I had to guess I'd say it's not Horner, but have no idea the photographer.

[Baseball Rarities]

So which studio took this photo used on Matty's first w600?

I do not know who the photographer was, but that image was used for the front cover of the July 20, 1901 Sporting Life magazine. FWIW, his name is mispelled "Matthewson."

[benchod]

Yes the same mistake as on the in uniform you posted Kevin.
What year did they correct the spelling of his name?

[Baseball Rarities]

Yes the same mistake as on the in uniform you posted Kevin.
What year did they correct the spelling of his name?

They finally got it right sometime during the time of the type 4 mounts. I thought that I had seen a type 3 mount with his name spelled correctly, but I cannot find the image anywhere.

[Matthew H]

That photo of Mathewson was also used for his e107. Maybe its another Falk, I hope someone knows...