View Full Version : Flaking vs. paper loss
Orions father
07-10-2010, 12:51 PM
What is the difference between paper loss and flaking exactly? Does SGC consider them the same when grading? Reason I am asking is I got this beautiful N28 Ward in the mail and was amazed when I saw it in person. The only flaw is a small spot of flaking on the right border at shoulder level. Should I even try to crossover to SGC with a minimum of 40 or will flaking make it a 30 as with paper loss?
David
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/N28s/n28ward3.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/n28ward3back.jpg
Since flaking is basically small amounts of paper that is chipping away at the surface I do believe it is considered paper loss. SGC is tough on either....I have some beautiful cards with minute amounts of paper loss/chipping, in blank areas, that have been heavily downgraded due to it. regards
HRBAKER
07-10-2010, 04:53 PM
SGC30 at best most likely. Anyway, you have a beautiful card there.
pete zouras
07-10-2010, 04:58 PM
This card is in an sgc 60 holder.
<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/?action=view¤t=scan0010-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/scan0010-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I forgot that part of the question (crossover?). If it were mine I would leave it in that holder if I was thinking of going to SGC.....HRBaker is correct....most likely a 30 at best. regards
ps...Pete- you caught them on a good day!! I never get that kind of grading....
jbsports33
07-10-2010, 06:24 PM
Any type of paper loss weather it seems to be a small amount as explained above or a even just scuffing it can be bad for the overall grade.
Jimmy
Orions father
07-10-2010, 08:45 PM
Thanks Jeff, I could not be happier with the card whatever the grade.
Pete, no offense, but that is one of the most misgraded N28's I have seen. Going off it, the Ward should get an easy 7.
Both company's are inconsistent on grading N28's. The SGC Malone has paper loss on the front but grades higher than 30. The Mulvey has a streak across the front and the Caruthers has some strange Alfalfa mark but it managed a 70. The PSA Malone is stained and it still recieves a 5?
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/N28s/SGCN28Malone.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/N28s/n28mulvey60.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/N28s/n28caruthers70.jpghttp://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/N28s/n28malone.jpg
Orions father
10-12-2010, 01:11 PM
Just got the results back on the Ward and it didnt cross beacuse of being Rebuilt. It is the only card I need for my all SGC N28 set and I am upset beacuse I thought I was finally done. Does PSA stand by thier guarantee or should I even bother with them?
I think you will have an uphill battle fighting PSA on a rebuilt card. It's worth a try though...
ethicsprof
10-12-2010, 02:04 PM
sorry to hear about the 'rebuilt'.
i'm with Leon; i'd give it a try.
the card is a beaut!!
best,
barry
teetwoohsix
10-13-2010, 01:41 PM
Wow, that sucks David. PSA gave it a numerical grade, and now it won't cross to SGC because it's rebuilt. I think PSA should be obligated to reimburse you the price of a VG 3 Ward. :(
Clayton
Orions father
10-13-2010, 09:08 PM
Barry, I agree with you that it is a "beaut" until SGC evaluated that the card was rebuilt. I have a real problem with rebuilt and trimmed cards, I would rather have paper loss and heavy creases. When a factor of deceit comes in, it changes my view of the card no matter how it looks. That is just my 2 cents. Thanks for the compliments and opinions, I will post an update if it happens.