A possible T206 sheet?

[Jantz]

In the past I have spoke and corresponded with fellow board members on the most probable number being 12. Last year I started a thread about how I had found 9 T206s from the same series (Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac.42) that consistantly showed a wet sheet transfer on all of them. Since that time I have located 3 others, bringing the total to 12. Which I believe puts them on a sheet together.

As with all T206s, they come in a variety of backs. After emailing Scot Reader with the names of the 12 players, Scot pointed out to me how these particular players also had other backs in common. This information got me digging even further and ironically these same 12 players also exhibit a wet sheet transfer in the Tolstoi back.

Here are the 12 players:

Crandall (Portrait with cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove on hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove shows)
Tannehill (Chi. no "L")
Wheat

I can't place which player was next to who, but I can at least possibly place them on a sheet together. I will post scans of a few of the players along with their Tolstoi counterparts. Currently I'm trying to buy examples of each player with the SC transfer. I have two, McGraw and Devore, which are displayed below.

As a reminder, if you own one of these players with a Sweet Cap. 350-460 Fac 42 or Tolstoi back and they don't exhibit a wet sheet transfer, they were probably part of the top or bottom sheet, depending how the sheets were stacked in the factory.

Comments appreciated.

Jantz

[Jantz]

Heres a few more

[Tom S.]

Interesting topic.

I've got nothing to add except to show my Tannehill with its Tolstoi wet sheet transfer as an example...

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1571/img073j.jpg

[Tom S.]

PM/email sent...

[Jantz]

Tom S.

Thank you for posting a scan of your Tannehill. Thats a nice example.

I appreciated the PM/email too. I will have to check out that website.

Thanks Again

Jantz

[teetwoohsix]

Great work Jantz!! I definately think you are onto something here.I am going to check my T206's to see if I have anything to contribute to your investigation.

This is an interesting discovery you have made,one that may bring us closer to understanding some of these "mysteries".

Thank you for sharing this , I appreciate it!!!

Sincerely,Clayton

[BBT206]

Here are a few that I have. Bill


18663

18664

18665

[ethicsprof]

jantz
great original investigative work with corroboration.
this one i must incubate for a bit.

best,
barry

[mrvster]

JANTZ!!

i would have to say that the tolstoi cards, almost 10% of them have some sort of "wet stack"....i surmise this factory designation/printer "rushed" through his job, because out of all the wet stacked cards, tolstoi is most frequent, almost "common"...might not be able to assemble a sheet to track it down to one particuliar....but i hope i'm wrong and you can put something together, but you will notice a "ton" of them:)


email me when u get a chance....congrats again on that m'rry find, i wish i was at that national w/ you!!!!:o

PEACE

johnny

[White Borders]

I can play Tolstoi Wet Sheet Transfer too:

[Robextend]

My Contribution:

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[wonkaticket]

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/large/tols.jpg

[cfc1909]

1871818719

[JamesGallo]

I have a tolstoi schlei and Downey batting poses with a wet sheet on the front.

James G

[t206hound]

No longer in my possession (sold a number of years ago), but this Sweet Caporal 350-460 exhibits a wet sheet transfer.

[FUBAR]

when you look at cards like Jim R's whose back isn't centered, this makes them look like the color is a bleed threw, not a wet transfer. If the "transfer" is as off center to the exact point of the back, to me that screams bleed threw....

but then what do i know...

[sb1]

All of these and any other transfer of images/text(unless they are different images overprinted such as printers trial runs on scrap) be it front or back are wet sheet transfers. There is no such thing as bleed through, the ink will not penetrate through the clay coated paper to the back.

Scott

[Jantz]

I have to agree with Scott.

If any card is a candidate for a bleed through its this card. It has more ink on it's back than most rock stars and nothing has shown through to the front.

Jantz

[teetwoohsix]

Hi Jantz-

I thought I may have something to contribute,,but I do not think this Russ Ford has a wet sheet transfer.There is what appears to be a slight line under the top black border line,but that's it.Comparing to everyone else's examples,well,it doesn't compare :o

There sure are a lot of Tolstoi examples.Hopefully more Sweet Caporal examples will show up.

Sincerely,Clayton

[Jantz]

Hi Clayton

Actually I believe your Ford has a wet sheet transfer, its just a very light example. I remember when you emailed me a scan of that card months back. It helped me alot since Fords with a Tolstoi back are hard to find. It also helped me confirm the link between it and it's partner with a Sweet Caporal back.

I don't think anymore Sweet Caporal wet sheet transfers will appear though. At least not from the 350-460 Fac.42 series. Maybe more examples of the 12 players I have listed in my original post, but no other players.

My belief is that the 12 players I listed in my original post make up an entire sheet. Miscuts have played a key in my research. We know from various miscuts that different players were arranged side by side on a sheet. We've also seen miscuts showing the same player's name on the top and bottom of the same card. So this would indicate that each player was printed in a column.

An exception to this is that there are T206s out there with two different player's names on the same card, but of the 12 examples that I've seen so far, none of them have a 350-460 series back. From existing resources, the player selection in the later series seems to be more refine/limited. That might explain why no double name miscuts in the 350-460 or 460 only series. These are some of the factors that lead me to believe that only the 12 players in my original post are on a sheet together.

Thanks to all the members who replied so far to this thread. I appreciate your input.

Jantz

[Robextend]

I have a couple more examples...tough to see in the scan and kind of light, but I believe they are wet sheet transfer examples:

http://photos.imageevent.com/vanslykefan/prewar1/t2061/tolstoibacks/websize/T206%20Tolstoi%20Jennings%20One%20Hand.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/vanslykefan/prewar1/t2061/tolstoibacks/websize/Tolstoi%20McGraw.jpg

[teetwoohsix]

Hi Jantz-

Glad I could help.I think there is something to what you have discovered.I don't know how to use the quote function to well,but in the thread "Very very disgusted with SGC"(or something like that) there is a scan that M's Fan produced of a very beautiful T206 McGraw glove at hip with a Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42,and to me it really looks like a wet sheet transfer-maybe if he reads this he would be so kind to post that scan in this thread :)
It is on Page 5 of that thread,post # 48.

Respectfully,Clayton