Zee-Nut players also in T206

[FrankWakefield]

Let's have a thread about cards that depict players who are both in Zee-Nuts and in T206, the white border tobacco set.

I'll start it out with Del Howard.

Please try to post both the Zee-Nut, and the T206, side by side. Hold off for a bit if you only have a singleton.

Del Howard played for the Cubs, he's depicted in T206 with the Cubs. 1909 was his last year, yet this is a series 350 Piedmont card. He appeared at first base in 59 games in 1909, and pinch hit in 12 more. In 1910 and 1911 he played and managed the Louisville Colonels. In 1912 he'd made it to the Pacific Coast League, playing and managing first for the Seals, then later the Oaks. He managed the Oaks 1916 through 1922. His brother Ivan succeeded him as Oaks manager for 1923. I don't know if he stayed around as a coach or not. This is a 1923 Zee-Nut of him.

There are several other players who are in both, I have at least one more pair, I'll hold off and give someone else a chance.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/ZeenutandT206DelHoward-1.jpg

[Jacklitsch]

Orval Overall

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Zeenuts/Z13Overall.jpghttp://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/T206%20Graded/OverallHandsWaist.jpg

[Kawika]

Holding off on Abbott and Malarkey; only have their Zeenuts.
Me likee Overall Zeenut.

[Jacklitsch]

James Otis "Doc" Crandall

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Zeenuts/Z19Crandall.jpghttp://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/T206%20Graded/CrandallPort.jpg

[Jacklitsch]

Another Del Howard in his playing days.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Zeenuts/Z13Howard.jpg

[FrankWakefield]

1913 Zee-Nuts are tough to come by... nice cards!!

[FrankWakefield]

"Sleepy Bill" Burns.

His testimony during the BlackSox mess...

"I told them I had the hundred thousand dollars to handle the throwing of the World Series. I also told them that I had the names of the men who were going to finance it. I told them they were waiting below."

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/ZeenutT206Burns.jpg


Now someone out there has Bill Abstein's ZeeNut and T206... and there are some other players....

[Brian Van Horn]

Lefty Leifeld and Dots Miller.

[Jacklitsch]

Frank Chance. I have the 17Z but no T206

[FrankWakefield]

Hey Brian, right you are!

I have Leifield's ZeeNut. I dug around a bit for the pitching Leifield T206, but didn't find one. Will look some more. Might try to buy one. I'm pretty sure the Leifield in T206 with the hands over head, as if pitching, is Lefty... the batting card has me wondering from time to time if it is really his brother.

Also,

Frank Arellanes and Art Fromme will be in both the ZeeNuts and T206.


And Steve, that's unbelievable... I'd think odds are pretty high that if a fellow only had one, it would the a T206 of Chance, not that elusive ZeeNut.

[cfc1909]

Great thread Frank but I don't have the ZeeNuts to go with the 206s

[Kawika]

Jim, I'm still waiting for the green light on Abbott and Malarkey. If you post their T206s I will post their Zeenuts.

[FrankWakefield]

Alright, then. Let's unleash the singletons!!!

And I think there are more pairs than we've listed... maybe one or two more. Maybe in a week or so we can try this with 1933 Goudeys.

Fred Abbott
Bill Abstein
Frank Arellanes
Frank Chance
Art Fromme
Harry Krause
Lefty Liefield
Bill Malarkey
Dots Miller
Billy Purtell


Who else

[Kawika]

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/large/DMcD973.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/holygrailcards/large/12ZN%20Malarkey.jpg

[cfc1909]

here is Abbott with AB reverse-I have to look for Malarkey

18454

[FrankWakefield]

A revised list.... asterisked players are one's for whom we've posted both cards. And I think there are a few more.

Fred Abbott
Bill Abstein
Frank Arellanes
*Bill Burns
Frank Chance
Chappy Charles
Nig Clarke
*Doc Crandall
Art Fromme
Rube Geyer
*Del Howard
Harry Krause
Lefty Liefield
Bill Malarkey
Dots Miller
*Orval Overall
Billy Purtell

[rhettyeakley]

I'm the exact opposite of Jim, I got the Zeenuts but not the T206's!

There are literally tons of em...

Shad Barry...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/11zeebarry.JPG

Frank Arellanes...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/11zeearellanes.JPG

Jack Bliss...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/13zeebliss.JPG

Roy Brashear...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/11zeebrashear.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/12zeebrashear.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeebrashear.JPG

Doc Crandall...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/21zeecrandall.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/22zeecrandall2.JPG

Dots Miller...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/22zeemiller.JPGhttp://www.starsofthediamond.com/23zeemiller.JPG

[rhettyeakley]

A few more...

Art Fromme...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/19zeefromme.JPG

Harry Krause...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/23zeekrause.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/24zeekrause.JPG

Bill Malarkey...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/12zeemalarkey.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeemalarkey.JPG

Lefty Leifield...
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeeliefield.JPG

[brianp-beme]

Here are a few more Z to T pairs:

Sam Crawford - 1920/1921 Zeenut

Gaavy Cravath - 1921 Zeenut

Jack Quinn - 1916/1917 Zeenut (a potential seque into that future Z to G thread...he is in the 1933 Goudey set as well)


Brian

[Cat]

Can someone help me with a T206. I used to have one but sold it.

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1254/111chance.jpg

[Cat]

I also have a 1917 Quinn. I will try to get a scan of it.

[cfc1909]

ok let me post a few of these

18464

18465

18466

18467

18468

[AndrewJerome]

I can't help with T206, but here is a Zeenut Crawford:

[tedzan]

We have a "triple play" with Quinn......T206 to Zeenut to 1933 Goudey cards.


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/at206quinn33g.jpg" alt="[linked image]">


Hey Steve M

Your welcome to use this pix of Overall, as it very closely matches the pose in your Zeenut.
Are ther anymore matching poses between T206's and Zeenut's ?


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/ab460overallstad.jpg" alt="[linked image]">



TED Z

[Cat]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/421/sell1917quinnf.jpghttp://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4266/1917zeenutchancefront.jpg

[FrankWakefield]

Izzy Hoffman would be in both T206 and ZeeNuts, I think. I had a Home Run Kisses of him at one time, sold it in the BST. And there may well be one or two more players who're in both.

[Jacklitsch]

Izzy Hoffman 1911 Zeenut. Don't have the T206

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/1911%20Zeenut/Hoffman.jpg

[rhettyeakley]

I had a bit of time so here is a fairly complete list...(years in parentheses)


Fred Abbott (1911)
Bill Abstein (14-15)
Frank Arellanes (11-14, 17, HRK)
Jap Barbeau (16)
Shad Barry (11)
Beals Becker (25)
Bill Bernhad (17)
Jack Bliss (13-14)
Roy Brashear (11-14, HRK)
Bill Burns (15, 17)
Frank Chance (16-17)
Chappy Charles (13-15)
Nig Clarke (13-15)
Bill Clymer (19)
Doc Crandall (16-25, 29)
Gavvy Cravath (21)
Sam Crawford (18, 20-21)
Art Devlin (14)
Jerry Downs (13-18)
Jean Dubuc (17-18)
Joe Dunn (18)
Ted Easterly (18)
Art Fromme (15-21)
Rube Geyer (14)
Dolly Gray (12-13)
Izzy Hoffman (11-13, HRK)
Del Howard (13-20, 23)
John Hummel (18)
Jack Knight (20-23, 26-27)
Harry Krause (13-17, 21, 23-29)
Lefty Leifield (13-14)
Bill Malrkey (12-15, HRK)
Dots Miller (22-23)
Rube Oldring (21)
Charley O'Leary (14)
Orval Overall (13)
Jack Powell (14)
Billy Purtell (15)
Jack Quinn (16-17)
Newt Randall (16)
George Schirm (13)
Frank Schulte (22 w/ 2 diff teams)
Jim Scott (19-24)
Bud Sharpe (12)
Hunky Shaw (11)
Tubby Spencer (13, 15-16, 19, 21-22, 25)
Oscar Stanage (21-22)
Dolly Stark (13)
George Stone (12, HRK)
George Stovall (17)
Gabby Street (33/36)
Jack Warhop (28)
Doc White (14-15)
Ed Willett (19 Willets)


I'll try to post some more scans later.
-Rhett

[Jacklitsch]

Very nice job Rhett!!

[cfc1909]

wow Rhett-gave me something to add to my Southern project.

I also want to say thanks to you Rhett-your posts are great-full of information and very positive-always worth the read. It was my pleasure meeting you in Cleveland. Hope to see you in Baltimore--JR

[FrankWakefield]

Outstanding, Rhett.

I don't recall ever seeing such a list or comparison. Thanks.

Me thinks we're almost ready for a "ZeeNut players in Goudey" thread...

Frank W.

[rhettyeakley]

Frank, I also had never seen a list like this published anywhere (which was why it was fun to throw together!)

A few more scans (a lot of 1914's!)...
Izzy Hoffman
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/12hrkhoffman.JPG

George Stone
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/homerunkissesstone.JPG

Jerry Downs
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeedowns.JPG

Rube Geyer
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeegeyer.JPG

Charley O'Leary
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeeoleary.JPG

Jack Powell
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeepowell.JPG

George Schirm
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/13zeeschirm.JPG

Bud Sharpe
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/12zeesharpe.JPG

Hunky Shaw
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/11zeeshaw.JPG

[FrankWakefield]

You have a serious bunch of ZeeNuts, there, Rhett. I'm impressed. If I didn't know better I'd think you were born in 1900 in the Bay area, you became a flipping expert beating all of the kids out of their cards years ago, and you are on a 3rd set of dentures from chewing on ZeeNuts, Rough-Necks, and Home Run Kisses.

FW

[brianp-beme]

Great work Rhett...how come you get to have all the fun? Now it is Frank's turn to let us know what images we still need, and maybe I can provide a few myself.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Here is what I have to offer, with the scans of both T206 and Zeenut.





Brian