OT, but very important for the security of your home!

[Chicago206]

I'd like to apologize to Leon upfront for this post as its not about cards, but rather about home security (and the security of our collections).

I just learned of this today...very scary indeed! Have any of you guys heard of this technique before? Are you worried now? I will probably be replacing all my locks soon with bump proof ones.

http://lockbumping.org/

[FUBAR]

i got a dog..... hopefully his bark would chase most away.... he sounds meaner then he is.

[carrigansghost]

It's a bit tough to learn, but yes it can be done with cheaper locks. There are some that are not susceptible to this technique.

Rawn

[Chicago206]

I have a couple of "lead dispersal" units on the premesis, but they only work if me or the wife is home. Now im concerned about the security of my home when nobody is here. How do you know for sure if the current locks on my doors (8 locks in all) are bump proof already or need to be replaced?

[lharri3600]

well i have a dog, alarm system, .38, 9mm and a bad wife who taught me how to shoot. we installed pick proof locks 5 years ago. with that said, God bless their soul if they get in:eek:

[sgbernard]

Seriously?

[lharri3600]

yep

[oriolesbb6]

We do not have any locks on our doors...Seriously

[sgbernard]

Sorry, my first post came after Larry's: we appear to have been writing at the same time. Heck, I take you seriously: I ain't coming to your house uninvited.

But, guys, let's honestly get back to cards, square pieces of cardboard, remember?

[Chicago206]

We do not have any locks on our doors...Seriously



Are you in THAT safe of a town, or just have nothing worth stealing? Its hard to imagine not needing to lock your doors, but then again Im on the southside of Chicago!

[wonkaticket]

Use Medco locks can't bump them...only really works on very cheap locks.

[Chicago206]

Use Medco locks can't bump them...only really works on very cheap locks.

Like Kwikset? My locks arent cheapies, but I bet because they are standard cylinders with 5 or 6 pins, they can be bumped.

[Rob D.]

Just a thought: Maybe ask a locksmith or security specialist?

[oriolesbb6]

Are you in THAT safe of a town, or just have nothing worth stealing? Its hard to imagine not needing to lock your doors, but then again Im on the southside of Chicago!

We feel safe I guess. Never gave it much thought. What is worth stealing? Cash, electronics, jewelry, etc-sports mem./cards would be last on a list for a thief in most cases...

[chiprop]

this is a nonsense post!

[collectbaseball]

Like Kwikset? My locks arent cheapies, but I bet because they are standard cylinders with 5 or 6 pins, they can be bumped.

Lock bumping is nothing new, and it isn't something that I'm particularly concerned about (obviously circumstance would dictate the likelihood of someone picking your locks). I've read that Kwikset locks are common and relatively easy to bump, and that Medeco are the best.

[calvindog]

I haven't locked my front door in four years. I don't even know where the key is.

[Rob D.]

I haven't locked my front door in four years. I don't even know where the key is.

I also heard you didn't wear shoes when you played baseball as a kid.

[calvindog]

Wait. Is that how Shoeless Joe Jackson got his nickname?

[howard38]

We learned this technique in locksmithing class. It's certainly possible but the report is misleading. The locks shown as the example is about the cheapest you can possibly have on a door. A saavy home owner, as most of you probably are, would never use such a lock and more likely have something like a medeco or mul-t lock. With these you will be fine.

[drc]

I collect door knobs. Much too valuable to put on doors.

[sgbernard]

Wait. Is that how Shoeless Joe Jackson got his nickname?

How dare you bring up baseball in an important thread like this!

[Chicago206]

How dare you bring up baseball in an important thread like this!



Thats your 3rd reply to a thread you feel is unimportant. If you truly felt that this thread doesnt belong here, you would have stated so, and then ignored it like a man. But much like my 3 year old, you keep harping on it. In fact, the thread is so good that I actually received a private message thanking me for posting this info! True story.

[wonkaticket]

If you truly felt that this thread doesnt belong here, you would have stated so, and then ignored it like a man. But much like my 3 year old, you keep harping on it. In fact, the thread is so good that I actually received a private message thanking me for posting this info! True story.

That's great advice Chicago! I'm only confused as to why you don't follow it... :confused:

One Example..

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123331

[Chicago206]

That's great advice Chicago! I'm only confused as to why you don't follow it... :confused:

One Example..

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123331




Politely reminding an individual that 4 bumps per day is inconsiderate is NOT "interference". I think that Leon would agree with this completely! Interference is an act of making disparaging remarks about price, quality, or past sales prices of a card offered. Its a shame that I needed to point out the difference to you. I have always taken you to be one of the more intelligent members on this site.

[three25hits]

My cards are in a safety deposit box at a bank. I hope their deadbolts are secure.

[Ejm1]

It's easy, put guillotine blades above your doors and let it go. Why is there a hollier than tho stench about you pre-war dudes? is it middle age intitlemnetent or nerd rich guy revenge? Let it go.

[Anthony S.]

My post about the loss of prairie dog habitat in the northern plains states should be appearing in the BST momentarily.

[wonkaticket]

Politely reminding an individual that 4 bumps per day is inconsiderate is NOT "interference". I think that Leon would agree with this completely! Interference is an act of making disparaging remarks about price, quality, or past sales prices of a card offered. Its a shame that I needed to point out the difference to you. I have always taken you to be one of the more intelligent members on this site.

I guess I just read this wrong...to my untrained eye it just seemed like someone being a....what's the term you used once "Jagoff"?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=122946

I'm really slow sometimes I hope you understand.

I'm very sorry I let you down.

John

[JP]

Politely reminding an individual that 4 bumps per day is inconsiderate is NOT "interference". I think that Leon would agree with this completely! Interference is an act of making disparaging remarks about price, quality, or past sales prices of a card offered. Its a shame that I needed to point out the difference to you. I have always taken you to be one of the more intelligent members on this site.

Actually, scientist, that is not correct at all. Any post that has nothing to do with buying or selling in a BST thread is interference. You aren't a moderator. Let them do their job and butt out. I was one of the few that felt you deserved a second or third chance, even after you "bull in china shop"ped your way into this forum. You obviously don't seem to be picking up any of the hints everyone is dropping in your lap...

[Wite3]

I am just waiting for him to state that the good locks cannot be found for less than $8.00 and he will be putting an offer for any and all locks at $5.00...

Joshua

[Chicago206]

Actually, scientist, that is not correct at all. Any post that has nothing to do with buying or selling in a BST thread is interference. You aren't a moderator. Let them do their job and butt out. I was one of the few that felt you deserved a second or third chance, even after you "bull in china shop"ped your way into this forum. You obviously don't seem to be picking up any of the hints everyone is dropping in your lap...




Keep bumping the BST posting under the guise of it being perfectly fine. It isnt. You know it, I know it, and so does everyone else. To bump a thread 4 times in a day just because a card in your original post sold is abuse. A simple "edit" to the original post works just fine. But in light of your recent financial loss, you are SO hard up to generate some cash that you have resorted to this shameful tactic. You claim that bumping a BST listing once per 24 hours is "far worse" than what you are doing? You cannot be serious! I may be new to collecting vintage cards, but im not new to forum ettiquette. Bumping a BST ad once every 24 hours is very standard and acceptable. Bumping it 3-4 times a day because a card has sold is a desperate attempt to raise cash!;)

[Rob D.]

Bumping a BST ad once every 24 hours is very standard and acceptable.

No, it most certainly is not, at least on this board.

Do yourself a favor this time and don't try to futilely argue the point.

[jmk59]

Bumping a BST ad once every 24 hours is very standard and acceptable.

Rob beat me to it by about 20 minutes. No, bumping a BST ad every 24 hours is not at all standard and acceptable on this forum. The "forum etiquette" here is more like a week. If you'd bothered to look around and read and understand this forum before you jumped in and started flapping jaw, you'd know that.



J

[ScottFandango]

It's easy, put guillotine blades above your doors and let it go. Why is there a hollier than tho stench about you pre-war dudes? is it middle age intitlemnetent or nerd rich guy revenge? Let it go.

this quote is from left field.....




BTW thanks for posting, im headed to the locksmith TODAY!

[Jim VB]

JP versus Chicago?



Hmmmmm!

[Rob D.]

JP versus Chicago?



I'd still like to know whether anyone has seen these two in the same room.

[jp1216]

I'd still like to know whether anyone has seen these two in the same room.

:eek:

[T206Collector]

These are the kinds of "news" items that my 85 year old grandmother hears about in the local Brevard County rag and then worries that her family isn't safe. So she'll send out an email to everyone in the family warning them of the perils of locks on the front door.... or con artists making house calls..... or misleading telemarketers.... or whatever.....

The last place for these kinds of alarmist (pun intended) notes is on a vintage baseball card forum. Save them for the spam emails you like to forward to your "friends."

[wonkaticket]

but im not new to forum ettiquette.

:rolleyes:

Paul, very funny.

[teetwoohsix]

Well said T206Collector,I agree.

Clayton

[Leon]

Bumping a BST post on this board, every 24 hours, is not acceptable. It might be elsewhere but not here. I suggest an email to me if there are questions or you can post here. Every several days (read at least 4-5) is ok but the edit feature should be used more often. If you have a BST post, then several days later add something else to sell (in that post) then it would be ok.

Interference in a BST post is defined by any post that doesn't have to do with an item being sold, however benign or informational posts can be ok. If you don't know the difference than you shouldn't post. And yes, I have occasionally broken a rule too, but not very often and it's when a thread is already derailed. I still shouldn't do it though.

[JP]

I may be new to collecting vintage cards, but im not new to forum ettiquette.

You've said a lot of dumb things since you've been here, but this one takes the cake. For a guy who has quit the hobby a few dozen times in the last month, you still don't seem to actually go away. I give up trying to get through to you. I'll let the other 100 people who have told you the same thing try to make progress, though it appears you never actually listen or learn...

I'd still like to know whether anyone has seen these two in the same room.

You're right, Rob. Even though I predate him by 3 years here, I have recently decided to branch off into insanity by making another personality in another part of the country. Go back to your henchman corner until the big boss gives further instructions. ;)

[Rob D.]

You're right, Rob. Even though I predate him by 3 years here, I have recently decided to branch off into insanity by making another personality in another part of the country. Go back to your henchman corner until the big boss gives further instructions. ;)

My statement wasn't based on respective time spent on the board but rather the similar intelligence level reflected in most posts.

[JP]

Touché! :)

Santa=Satan? Both wear red and have never been in the same room at the same time!

[drdduet]

I leave my doors and windows open and encourage intruders. :cool:

[M's_Fan]

Once again, I'll post about how every valuable collection should be locked up in a fireproof safe that would give any thief a whole lot of trouble. A house is a very easy thing to get into, and not just through the door, but any window, garage, etc.

http://www.ftknox.com/redesign/gun-safe-images/2010executive.jpg

[slidekellyslide]

Politely reminding an individual that 4 bumps per day is inconsiderate is NOT "interference". I think that Leon would agree with this completely! Interference is an act of making disparaging remarks about price, quality, or past sales prices of a card offered. Its a shame that I needed to point out the difference to you. I have always taken you to be one of the more intelligent members on this site.

There are Private Message functions on this forum. If you have a problem that he bumped his thread and you want to tell him you don't appreciate it, better to tell him in PM or notify a moderator.

[FUBAR]

all Chicago was doing was making people aware of a potential problem and security issue. He shouldn't be given a hard time for that regardless of how you feel about him or what else he has done. He meant no harm, just provided information.


If you knew about this potential risk beforehand, then skip to the next thread.

I am personally glad he posted this because i had never heard of it before.

How many of you have ever heard of FLEXISPY? It is a security risk to your cell phone.

thanks Chicago.

[T206DK]

thanks for bringing this to my attention Chicago206. I had heard about this technique in high school and had totally forgotten about it. Getting my safe from my Dad's house this weekend so I can store my best cards in it.

[T206DK]

I used something similar to flexispy to catch my ex cheating on me. worked like a charm I must say

[T206Collector]

all Chicago was doing was making people aware of a potential problem and security issue. He shouldn't be given a hard time for that regardless of how you feel about him or what else he has done. He meant no harm, just provided information.

I disagree. A, he has a history. But B, the world is FILLED with useful information about life -- none of which should be posted on here unless it has a direct relationship to card collecting. What's next, a study on how glass windows can be broken so people can enter homes to steal baseball cards?

[slidekellyslide]

I disagree. A, he has a history. But B, the world is FILLED with useful information about life -- none of which should be posted on here unless it has a direct relationship to card collecting. What's next, a study on how glass windows can be broken so people can enter homes to steal baseball cards?

As far as I know Home Security has never been off topic for this forum considering many of us have these concerns as collectors of high dollar cards and memorabilia. I don't even think this is the first time this lock bumping technique has been discussed on Net54.

[T206DK]

if you can post about stolen cards or collections , you should be able to post something like this that may prevent it from happening. just my opinion

[Anthony S.]

Once again, I'll post about how every valuable collection should be locked up in a fireproof safe that would give any thief a whole lot of trouble. A house is a very easy thing to get into, and not just through the door, but any window, garage, etc.

http://www.ftknox.com/redesign/gun-safe-images/2010executive.jpg


Coincidentally, it seems that more and more often when I'm invited to friends' houses they keep their booze in one of these things.

[T206Collector]

As far as I know Home Security has never been off topic for this forum considering many of us have these concerns as collectors of high dollar cards and memorabilia. I don't even think this is the first time this lock bumping technique has been discussed on Net54.

How to secure collections is of course on topic. Wasn't saying it wasn't.

[Kawika]

The foregoing kinda reminds me of one of Brad's Space Aliens Have Taken Control of Cable TV threads. And doesn't an OT post by Chicago belong in
the Department of Redundancy Department?

[howard38]

Looks like I'm part of the minority here but it seems to me that Chicago is getting piled on for no good reason. My guess is that if one of the regular and/or popular members posted this info he would have received many thanks from some of the same folks that are now mocking Chicago.

I know he has a "history" here but if you have an issue w/him just bypass his posts.

[Kawika]

. . it seems to me that Chicago is getting piled on for no good reason.
He likes the attention. We're just helping out a fellow collector.

[teetwoohsix]

I don't think I've ever attacked Chicago before.In fact,when he did his public apology,I commended him for it.Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean people are piling on him,does it?

That being said-I've never heard of this lock popping method before,and it was pretty shocking to me-just what I needed,another thing to be paranoid about ;),,,,and of course,it's always good to be aware of ANY way a person/people can or will get over on you.

But at the same time,how many burglars who also didn't know about this method just got a free crash course with almost step by step directions on how to pop your lock,with all of the tips on which locks suck and which locks are invincable???Thats where I thought to myself-"this info can do just as much bad as it can do good,if not more......."

So,that being said-I am not too sure it did more of a service than not.

Clayton

[howard38]

He likes the attention. We're just helping out a fellow collector.

Well, then you're a real fine citizen.

[henson1855]

What if the crooks hook up to your house and tow the whole thing away?Better make sure you let all the air out of your tires. My point is if someone wants something bad enough they will probably find a way to get it,through lock pooping,window breaking,home invasion ect.

[teetwoohsix]

Very true,very true.............and that's what Sig's for :D

[howard38]

"I don't think I've ever attacked Chicago before.In fact,when he did his public apology,I commended him for it.Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean people are piling on him,does it?"

Of course not and if certain posters were, in fact, just disagreeing then there would be no issue. But comments like "This is a nonsense post" are obviously not just about disagreeing. They are deliberately obnoxious and should have no place here.

[teetwoohsix]

I see your point howard38.I guess Chicago may have pissed some people off along the way,and it tends to come across in their posts.

Clayton

[henson1855]

Amen Clayton,Here in Vegas it seems like there are more and more home invasions,I enjoy having my collection on display at home,always have,a few pieces I keep in a safety deposit box,but I enjoy being able to see or even hold my collectables and have dedicated rooms in the house for them,I carry a Glock for work,bought my girlfriend one too,she goes shooting twice a week,I keep a 3rd one beside the couch next to the front door.

[teetwoohsix]

I know Mike,it's crazy here in Vegas.The home invasion thing out here is out of control,and it's a shame.Lot of desperate people out here,and you really have to protect your family and property.They'll understand some hot lead though :D

Good to meet you Mike!!

Clayton

[collectbaseball]

Is there something in the Vegas water that prevents spaces after punctuation marks?

[PWeso81]

Along these lines...how many people know about your collection? I basically brag every chance I get to my friends and family. Probably not a good thing to do these days. Just wondering...

[ScottFandango]

http://www.ftknox.com/redesign/gun-safe-images/2010executive.jpg

I only have room for my Johnnie Walker Blue in my Box....

[teetwoohsix]

Actually Dan , yes , there is definately something in the water here :D

[henson1855]

I don't talk about my collection, it's kind of a shame not to be able to share it with people, but it's the sign of the times. Most of my friends and family don't have any knowledge about vintage baseball, even my GF doesn't really have a clue about the history or value of my collection. She thinks it takes up too much room.

[PWeso81]

I don't talk about my collection, it's kind of a shame not to be able to share it with people, but it's the sign of the times. Most of my friends and family don't have any knowledge about vintage baseball, even my GF doesn't really have a clue about the history or value of my collection. She thinks it takes up too much room.

My wife is the same way. It is not the friends and family I am worried about. It is everyone they mention it to.

[FUBAR]

What if the crooks hook up to your house and tow the whole thing away?Better make sure you let all the air out of your tires. My point is if someone wants something bad enough they will probably find a way to get it,through lock pooping,window breaking,home invasion ect.

If your livin double wide, put 'er on blocks!

[Chicago206]

I appreciate the support from the members here who A) are thankful about learning of this relatively new security risk, and B) are intelligent enough to identify personal attacks (pile ons) when they see them. There are a few here who dislike me so much that I could start a thread on how to get a free million dollars just for calling a phone number and they'd still tell me to get lost.

As far as the concern of a member in regards to giving criminals new info....ummmm, thats about as logical as a non vintage card collector going into a card forum and "alerting the world" to this fantastically valuable T206 card that exists with the name Wagner. Any burglar who makes his living on breaking and entering is well aware of this technique. I think that John Q. Public should know about it as well so that he may counter it.

[T206DK]

Chicago is probably right on the point that any burglar who breaks into homes probably knows about the technique. Like I said before, kids in my high school were using this technique to break in to the school at night. that was in 1985, so now that the internet is around the info is widely available if you "know" where to look, or who to ask. I stopped telling people ( other than other collectors) about my collecting when a few years ago a drunk friend of mine who new of my collection and my brothers started telling people at the bar he frequented that our cards were worth a lot of money. My last girlfriend even tried stealing some of my cards after I broke up with her because I had told her about their value or how much I had paid for something. You can't trust too many people with this type of knowledge I've discovered !

[JP]

That's why it pains me...but every card I own is in the bank. Security is never an issue.

[HBroll]

Thanks for the tip on lock bumping Chicago206. I never heard of it before. Any info that keeps our baseball card collections/family safe is always welcome in my book.
Howard