View Full Version : Legendary Auctions May Auction
cbcbcb
05-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Is Legendary always poor at putting their auctions online? There isn't any information on their website about their May 19-20 auction. Less than 20 days to go and no information is pretty pathetic if you ask me. I have been waiting for awhile for a particular item they will have in their auction and I just keep on waiting.
perezfan
05-02-2010, 05:17 PM
Even dating back to the Mastro days, the Catalogs arrived only about 2 weeks prior to the auction's close. I never understood the tight timelines either. I have a couple of consignments in this one, so hope it hits the Internet soon.
Perhaps they were waiting for REA to be done, and we'll see it anytime now...
Seems like bad business to not have it up before REA ended. Unless they don't have anything worth holding your money back from REA to bid on.
perezfan
05-02-2010, 06:05 PM
Perhaps you're right, Matt... just theorizing as to why they aren't up yet (with no basis in fact).
Mr. Mitt
05-02-2010, 06:17 PM
Their website says that bidding begins on May 17 and the auctions ends over three nights between May 25-27.
ethicsprof
05-03-2010, 12:39 AM
i'm just hoping the catalogue has some more pics of the great Conlon Type 1
photos.
best,
barry
e107collector
05-10-2010, 10:58 AM
May 2010 Preview is up.
Tony
barrysloate
05-10-2010, 11:14 AM
Legendary had a complete set of M110's in their last auction; REA had a complete set that closed two weeks ago; and now Legendary has yet another complete set in the May auction.
Are they still making these things?
e107collector
05-10-2010, 11:17 AM
Legendary had a complete set of M110's in their last auction; REA had a complete set that closed two weeks ago; and now Legendary has yet another complete set in the May auction.
Are they still making these things?
Barry,
I agree with you. They seem to be available in a lot of auctions lately, and most are higher grades.
Tony
bobbyw8469
05-10-2010, 11:44 AM
Legendary has an auction!?!?!?! I haven't received ANYTHING in the mail!
the-illini
05-10-2010, 12:09 PM
Lot #13 features a lovely fake M101-5 Joe Jackson...
tedzan
05-10-2010, 12:15 PM
Legendary Auction link......
http://legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx
calvindog
05-10-2010, 12:17 PM
Lots of photos, not many cards. Tick, tock.....
Lot #13 features a lovely fake M101-5 Joe Jackson...
Yikes....maybe it can go with the Doyle in the PSA coffee table book?
barrysloate
05-10-2010, 12:26 PM
The Jackson does look a little funky.:confused:
Wesley
05-10-2010, 12:31 PM
Lot #13 features a lovely fake M101-5 Joe Jackson...
That must be so embarrassing. I am shocked that no one at Legendary is able to recognize this as fake.
http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=109001&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
Orioles1954
05-10-2010, 12:32 PM
Wow. Just amazing.
glchen
05-10-2010, 12:40 PM
Out of curiosity for us newbies out here, how can you tell the Jackson is a fake? Thanks!
calvindog
05-10-2010, 12:40 PM
Not to shill for SGC because I was a collector years before I met Dave Forman, but it is a bit unnerving to see so many 19th century cards in PSA holders. Most of my postwar cards are encased in PSA slabs, but for the prewar stuff I always feel very suspect when the card is not in an SGC holder.
Wesley
05-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Out of curiosity for us newbies out here, how can you tell the Jackson is a fake? Thanks!
The most obvious way to tell is to look at the space between the photo and the black line surrounding the photo. Real ones have much less space between the photo and the piping than fake ones. In this case, there is a huge gap.
Anthony S.
05-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Out of curiosity for us newbies out here, how can you tell the Jackson is a fake? Thanks!
Here's a good resource (on this site) about fake M101-5's:
http://net54baseball.com/forum/content/spottingfakes.html
Anthony S.
05-10-2010, 01:08 PM
Glchen,
Here's a real M101-5 Jackson(not mine) that sold in the REA Auction in 2008. In addition to the narrower area between the photo and black border, you can see Jackson's entire front foot in this example.
4815162342
05-10-2010, 01:17 PM
It looks like the text on the bottom right corner has been erased.
glchen
05-10-2010, 02:21 PM
Thanks! That helped a lot.
Gary (slowing absorbing more knowledge on this board)
e107collector
05-10-2010, 02:39 PM
Legendary has just withdrawn the fake Jackson.
I can't understand how we could recognize this through images posted on their site, but they can't see this in person.
I also agree that most of their auctions have more memorabilia than vintage cards. Just my two cents.
Tony
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 02:47 PM
Not to shill for SGC because I was a collector years before I met Dave Forman, but it is a bit unnerving to see so many 19th century cards in PSA holders. Most of my postwar cards are encased in PSA slabs, but for the prewar stuff I always feel very suspect when the card is not in an SGC holder.
The concerns run in the other direction too:
17A. Disclosure Notice: The following lots have been consigned to this auction from the personal collection of SGC principal David Forman: 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 123, 224, 459, 460, 462, 468, 542, 1507. Mr. Forman purchased the cards in these lots in the open market at public auction, already graded, and this is the case with all SGC-graded cards Mr. Forman is selling from his personal collection in this auction. This disclosure is being made at his insistence (and with our blessing) to avoid even the potential appearance of impropriety.
Wesley
05-10-2010, 03:41 PM
The concerns run in the other direction too:
17A. Disclosure Notice: The following lots have been consigned to this auction from the personal collection of SGC principal David Forman: 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 123, 224, 459, 460, 462, 468, 542, 1507. Mr. Forman purchased the cards in these lots in the open market at public auction, already graded, and this is the case with all SGC-graded cards Mr. Forman is selling from his personal collection in this auction. This disclosure is being made at his insistence (and with our blessing) to avoid even the potential appearance of impropriety.
That is an impressive collection. A large percentage of N172s, including the large lot with the 398 card OJ collection, were consigned by Dave. With close to five hundred N172s, Dave owned one of the larger Old Judge collections out there.
calvindog
05-10-2010, 03:49 PM
The concerns run in the other direction too:
17A. Disclosure Notice: The following lots have been consigned to this auction from the personal collection of SGC principal David Forman: 48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 123, 224, 459, 460, 462, 468, 542, 1507. Mr. Forman purchased the cards in these lots in the open market at public auction, already graded, and this is the case with all SGC-graded cards Mr. Forman is selling from his personal collection in this auction. This disclosure is being made at his insistence (and with our blessing) to avoid even the potential appearance of impropriety.
Funny, Dave asked that his ownership of cards be noted; anyone want to bet if over the past few years all of Bill's and Doug's lots have been noted?
Wesley
05-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Forman had some incredible cards. Aside from the large Old Judge collection, the SGC 80 M101-4 Jim Thorpe and the SGC 84 WWG Joe DiMaggio were also his.
Wesley
05-10-2010, 04:03 PM
Funny, Dave asked that his ownership of cards be noted; anyone want to bet if over the past few years all of Bill's and Doug's lots have been noted?
Didn't Doug auction some his Cubs memorabilia and noted this in the catalog?
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:07 PM
Yes, Doug noted his ownership of that lot.
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:25 PM
Funny, Dave asked that his ownership of cards be noted; anyone want to bet if over the past few years all of Bill's and Doug's lots have been noted?
If Joe Orlando consigned hundreds of thousands of dollars of PSA graded cards to an auction, there would be a sh*tstorm, not a yawn, I would guess.
The disclosure is great, and Rob handled it well, but as I have said before, in my personal opinion I don't think the owner of a grading card company should be buying and selling cards on a large scale. It is a conflict of interest, period.
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:29 PM
Peter, your opinion carries great weight so I'm certain divestiture is occurring as we speak. :)
Edited to add: I tried to add a big smiley green face but, alas, I could not find one.
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:30 PM
Peter, your opinion carries great weight so I'm certain divestiture is occurring as we speak. :)
Jeff I am aware that no one gives a damn what I think. But I will say it anyway.
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:31 PM
And in my opinion that no one gives a damn about, Dave should choose, does he want to own a grading company, or buy and sell cards. Not both.
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:32 PM
Peter, I give a damn. And just remember: you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it people like you!
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:33 PM
Jeff. the grinny is on the top row, to the right. LOL.
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:33 PM
And in my opinion that no one gives a damn about, Dave should choose, does he want to own a grading company, or buy and sell cards. Not both.
Peter, he's also planning on putting in some new carpeting in his bedroom; would you care to let him know which color you prefer?
Edited to add: where the hell is the grinnie?????
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Peter, he's also planning on putting in some new carpeting in his bedroom; would you care to let him know which color you prefer?
Edited to add: where the hell is the grinnie?????
Weak, counselor, weak. And you know it.
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:35 PM
Found it!!!!! :D:D:D:D
calvindog
05-10-2010, 04:45 PM
PS: David Hall called me and asked if you could also pick out the color of his couch. :D
Peter, honestly, I appreciate your position. And in a perfect world there would be no conflicts of interest in any part of our hobby. But it's just so unrealistic now as many people get into the business end of the hobby BECAUSE they are hobbyists. And we should concern ourselves first and foremost with reporting fraud and stopping fraud. We don't have the luxury just yet to even begin a rational discussion of conflicts of interest unless fraud is involved.
Peter_Spaeth
05-10-2010, 04:55 PM
I don't know too many dealers in the position of being able to grade their own cards, or dealers who have a brother who owns a grading service. If that isn't a serious conflict of interest -- and I am not saying any wrongdoing took place, just pointing out the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY which as you know is the legal standard for a conflict of interest -- I don't know what is. And of course I agree with you about fraud, but that doesn't mean other things should not be discussed as well -- IMHO.
Kenny Cole
05-10-2010, 09:05 PM
IMO, an undisclosed conflict of interest such as is being discussed is fraud -- at least constructive, probably actual.
I'm still pondering the disclosed conflict. I suppose my perspective on that depends on the nature and extent of the disclosure, but it smells bad, period. Peter is right, although it really pains me to agree with a defense lawyer:). Grade cards or buy and sell them, but don't do both at the same time.
Kenny
Peter_Spaeth
05-11-2010, 05:17 AM
IMO, an undisclosed conflict of interest such as is being discussed is fraud -- at least constructive, probably actual.
I'm still pondering the disclosed conflict. I suppose my perspective on that depends on the nature and extent of the disclosure, but it smells bad, period. Peter is right, although it really pains me to agree with a defense lawyer:). Grade cards or buy and sell them, but don't do both at the same time.
Kenny
Kenny, how are you at interior decorating?:D
Oh by the way, since 2004 has Dave "insisted" that others to whom he has consigned (such as Mastro, to whom we know he consigned as a result of the lawsuit) also disclose his ownership interest?
Kenny Cole
05-11-2010, 06:12 AM
Peter,
With regard to interior decorating, I defer to my wife. Not because I want to, but because I must. At some point I will muster up enough courage to buy the recliner I want, but that time is not now. Then I will be able to sit in the garage, by myself, in my new chair:(. Do you think I need cable out there?
Kenny
ScottFandango
05-11-2010, 06:25 AM
i wonder what the "ownership" shakeup will be this season....
wouldnt be summer without a name change also!
Is Bill mastro ever coming back?
chiprop
05-11-2010, 08:04 PM
The auction is weak!
Note to Doug Allen and Bill Goodwin:
Retain the legal services of Jeff Lichtman and not a negative word will be spoken.
JimB
calvindog
05-12-2010, 08:15 AM
Jim, now who would have thought that such an educated guy could be so intellectually stupid? But then again, I actually work for what I have in my life so excuse me for being so cynical at times as nothing has ever been handed to me.
Orioles1954
05-12-2010, 08:35 AM
I'm personally very interested to see how the National auction will go. I wonder if Brooks Robinson knows....
dstudeba
05-12-2010, 08:39 AM
This could possibly be my last post for a very long time, but I have never found Jim to be intellectually stupid.
As for the original post, I found some very nice cards in this offering.
Orioles1954
05-12-2010, 09:07 AM
Jim, now who would have thought that such an educated guy could be so intellectually stupid? But then again, I actually work for what I have in my life so excuse me for being so cynical at times as nothing has ever been handed to me.
Guys, this is so beneath you both.
Wesley
05-12-2010, 09:21 AM
Agreed.
Can we save the personal insults for auction houses, dealers and grading companies?
Bicem
05-12-2010, 10:28 AM
Agreed.
Can we save the personal insults for auction houses, dealers and grading companies?
:D
birdman42
05-12-2010, 11:23 AM
What are the chances that this eBay lot with a BIN
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350228308977&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
is a different item from this catalog listing?
http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=108519&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=4&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
Things that make you go, "Hmm."
Bill
What are the chances that this eBay lot with a BIN
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350228308977&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
is a different item from this catalog listing?
http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=108519&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=4&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
Things that make you go, "Hmm."
Bill
They are different items. There are clear markings that indicate they are different. For example, the mark on the ebay item above the second dot before "schedule" in the line "...Schedule..."
JimB
terjung
05-12-2010, 11:32 AM
What are the chances that this eBay lot with a BIN
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350228308977&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
is a different item from this catalog listing?
http://legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=108519&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=4&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
Things that make you go, "Hmm."
Bill
What am I missing? They look different to me.
autograf
05-12-2010, 11:36 AM
Probably from same source.........
Does Dave Forman consigning to Legendary Auctions mean that the lawsuit with Mastro et al is off? Or is the clear deliniation between the two companies sufficent insulation for him to feel comfortable with consigning?
Peter_Spaeth
05-12-2010, 11:47 AM
Speaking of clear delineations, Doug Allen is still listed as the President of Ketap Company (successor in interest to Mastro Auctions) on the Illinois Secretary of State website.
http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController
slidekellyslide
05-12-2010, 11:49 AM
Probably from same source.........
Does Dave Forman consigning to Legendary Auctions mean that the lawsuit with Mastro et al is off? Or is the clear deliniation between the two companies sufficent insulation for him to feel comfortable with consigning?
Forman consigned with REA...I'm not aware that he's consigned with Legendary.
bmarlowe1
05-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Thanks to my friend Bob R. for pointing out this photo (lot 705) labeled as Billy Nash is really Dick Johnston. I downloaded the same physical photo from a collector's web-site (zmotive) some time ago. I noticed there that it was incorrectly ID'd as Nash.
wonkaticket
05-16-2010, 01:21 AM
Nice catch Mark & Bob.
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/scan0008-5.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/large/scan0008.jpg
Bicem
05-16-2010, 08:10 AM
Nice catch Mark, SGC should hire you for player identification!
3-2-count
05-16-2010, 08:32 AM
I thought Nash looked different in that one, but just thought it may have been a younger pic of him. Great work Mark, as always....
bmarlowe1
05-16-2010, 06:08 PM
Jeff - I've been told by a respected board member that telling collectors/consignors that their identifications are wrong often results in yelling and screaming :eek:. I don't doubt it. It seems to have a special place - even beyond disagreements over card grading.
That same image, correctly identified as Johnston, appeared in "A History of the Boston Base Ball Club", by George Tuohey, published by M. F. Quinn, 1897.
slidekellyslide
05-17-2010, 10:12 AM
Jeff - I've been told by a respected board member that telling collectors/consignors that their identifications are wrong often results in yelling and screaming :eek:. I don't doubt it. It seems to have a special place - even beyond disagreements over card grading.
This is true...I once told a poster that his photo was not Lou Gehrig and he took it to a very personal level.
Bicem
05-17-2010, 10:24 AM
guess people prefer delusion?
Peter_Spaeth
05-17-2010, 10:33 AM
guess people prefer delusion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY
legendary is now open for bidding.
barrysloate
05-17-2010, 11:15 AM
With regard to photo identification, collectors generally have a fair amount of money sunk into their photographs, so if they are told that these images are misidentified, it's going to hurt them in the pocketbook. Thus, many will not react favorably.
Also, in some situations there is simply a disagreement between two different parties. One insists it is, the other insists it isn't, and neither accepts the other's viewpoint. In these situations it is possible to never have a consensus.
bmarlowe1
05-17-2010, 11:49 AM
There may be a scientific study on this, I don’t know. My experience indicates that it is true that the facial recognition part of the brain is significantly affected by external influences such as:
1) an identification provided by a supposed authority
2) a personal stake of some kind in the identification
<O:p</O:p
I have seen examples of this that are completely ludicrous. In one case a major league team provided a photo of a person who was claimed to be a very well-known prior owner of the team for a magazine cover. Though was no resemblance whatsover to the real person (fat, full head of straight hair vs. thin with very curly hair and a receding hair-line), people could not decide whether or not this was the right person. It took a demonstration of ear-mismatch to get the cover changed.
calvindog
05-17-2010, 12:00 PM
With regard to photo identification, collectors generally have a fair amount of money sunk into their photographs, so if they are told that these images are misidentified, it's going to hurt them in the pocketbook. Thus, many will not react favorably.
Isn't this willful blindness apparent whenever anyone's cards or favorite auction house for consignments is criticized?
Peter_Spaeth
05-17-2010, 12:16 PM
Isn't this willful blindness apparent whenever anyone's cards or favorite auction house for consignments are criticized?
Or grading service.
calvindog
05-17-2010, 12:21 PM
Peter, you're just still angry that your white whale, the 1967 Mantle in PSA 7, has continued to elude you.
Bicem
05-17-2010, 12:26 PM
I don't know about all that guys, but I did pick up this sweet King Kelly photo the other day.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersd/bicem/misc/Horner%20cab.jpg
barrysloate
05-17-2010, 12:28 PM
That is King Kelly...King Kelly of Lithuania.
Bicem
05-17-2010, 12:29 PM
take it back! you're just jealous!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Rob D.
05-17-2010, 12:39 PM
I don't know about all that guys, but I did pick up this sweet King Kelly photo the other day.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersd/bicem/misc/Horner%20cab.jpg
Put a crowd of 75-100 kids around him, and that's the spitting image of a young Joe DiMaggio.
Peter_Spaeth
05-17-2010, 12:54 PM
Peter, you're just still angry that your white whale, the 1967 Mantle in PSA 7, has continued to elude you.
No worries, I will find someone who can make a 6 into an 8.
slidekellyslide
05-17-2010, 12:56 PM
No worries, I will find someone who can make a 6 into an 8.
You'll probably need a plastic surgeon or a urologist for that.
calvindog
05-17-2010, 01:09 PM
I'm pretty certain Peter is more in the mid-range grade in that department. Perhaps a VG++++. Like the description on the label it sounds awesome.
bmarlowe1
05-17-2010, 03:32 PM
Hey Jeff - it's Fred Dunlap. Nice pick-up.
edited to add:
[BTW - in resonse to a few communications - I have to make it clear that this was a joke - the point was to show how easy it was to find a ballplayer that "resembles" almost any given photo.]
Bicem
05-17-2010, 04:06 PM
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/library/woohoosimpsons.jpg
Thanks Mark!!!!!!
Old Hoss
05-23-2010, 03:19 PM
I'm new to collecting, and am just wondering if you all consider it safe to bid with Legendary.
Thanks!
I'm new to collecting, and am just wondering if you all consider it safe to bid with Legendary.
Hi - welcome to pre-war! What do you mean by "safe?" You will get what you win if you win something if that's your concern.
barrysloate
05-23-2010, 03:21 PM
Yes, I do.
Old Hoss
05-23-2010, 03:25 PM
Thanks for the welcome and the quick replies! By "safe," I mean: are their descriptions/assessments correct? In terms of identifying the items correctly, and condition.
Some of the descriptions seem to lack the proper amount of detail (especially re: condition) that I might like for an internet auction.
barrysloate
05-23-2010, 03:30 PM
If you have an issue with a description you can call them and ask for more details. I've done it many times and they have been very cooperative.
Old Hoss
05-23-2010, 08:40 PM
Thanks for letting me know, Barry. I will be sure to call them.
perezfan
05-23-2010, 09:00 PM
My experiences have all been positive since the split with Mastro as well. I understand the various criticisms, but also think that many on this Board have put them under a microscope, with far more scrutiny than any other auction house (except for maybe Coach's Corner).
But from my personal experience, everything has been exactly as described and shipped securely/promptly. Hope this helps...
No problems with Legendary other than their sending me a G/VG 1955 Bowman set instead of an EX/EXMT 1955 Bowman set (which I won) in the same auction. When I called them they apologized and took care of getting the right set to me.