1904 NY Giants team postcard - Can you identify the players?

[orator1]

If the players listed below are correct, then only 6 more players need to be identified.
left to right -
top row: Luther "Dummy" Taylor, ?, ?, ?, Frank Bowerman

middle row: ?, ?, John McGraw, Daniel McGann, ?

bottom row: Leon Kessling "Red" Ames, George Browne, Roger Bresnahan, Joseph McGinnity, Jack Warner, Samuel Mertes

1904 Giants Roster from baseball-reference.com:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/amesre01.shtml

Jack Warner, Dan McGann, Billy Gilbert, Bill Dahlen, Art Devlin, Roger Bresnahan, George Browne, Sam Mertes, Frank Bowerman, Moose McCormick, Jack Dunn, Mike Donlin, Doc Marshall, John McGraw, Dan Brouthers, Joe McGinnity, Christy Mathewson, Dummy Taylor, Hooks Wiltse, Red Ames, Billy Milligan, Claud Elliott

[wonkaticket]

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/websize/1904-NY-net54%20copy.jpg

[Jacklitsch]

I think that's Mertes top middle and Ames in the lower left corner.

One thing for sure, and no one knows why, Matty is not on the acrd.

[barrysloate]

Top center above McGraw is Gilbert.
Left of McGraw is Dunn.
Far right is Elliott.

Exact images are in 1905 Spalding Guide.

[bmarlowe1]

Wonka's ID's as shown are all correct. That's Billy Gilbert top middle, Claud Elliot middle row far right.

[wonkaticket]

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/websize/1904-NY-net54.jpg

Barry so like this? I didn't think Devlin was in here none of those guys look like him...or am I wrong?

[barrysloate]

Exactamundo!

Devlin was on the team and is pictured with them in the 05 Guide, wearing a white cap. He is missing from the postcard.

[wonkaticket]

Exactamundo!

Devlin was on the team and is pictured with them in the 05 Guide, wearing a white cap. He is missing from the postcard.

And Exactamundo did he also show up pictured in 1905? Was he an Early Cuban player?? :)

[Bicem]

One thing for sure, and no one knows why, Matty is not on the acrd.

Because Carl Horner did not own a photo of Matty in uniform?

[bmarlowe1]

These ID's are now Dunn :D

[wonkaticket]

these id's are now dunn :d

lol

[barrysloate]

We got a real borscht belt over here.

[orator1]

Those identifications were pretty fast, so here's another Giants photo.
The following 1904 NY Giants photo was auctioned by oldjudge, but it is too blurry to read the names.
The text above the players reads:
CHAMPIONS NEW YORK NAT. LEAGUE TEAM 1904-1905
Can anyone identify the players in this blurry photo?
Even better, if someone has a better resolution copy please post it.

[barrysloate]

I'm with you Paul- too blurry.