Fake '33 Goudey Lou Gehrig card on eBay

[iggyman]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-LOU-GEHRIG-92-1933-GOUDEY-GUM-CARD_W0QQitemZ320518127669

Just in case anybody is thinking about it. The card referenced above is a "FAKE" '33 Goudey Gehrig. Hey, let's be careful out there!

Lovely Day...

[tbob]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-LOU-GEHRIG-92-1933-GOUDEY-GUM-CARD_W0QQitemZ320518127669

Just in case anybody is thinking about it. The card referenced above is a "FAKE" '33 Goudey Gehrig. Hey, let's be careful out there!

Lovely Day...



I think as a general rule of thumb, anyone who is selling cards from 2000-2010 and no pre-war cards having been sold in the feedback history is selling replicas and reprints. I'm sure there might be one or two exceptions but 99.9% of their pre-war stuff is garbage.

[kcohen]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-LOU-GEHRIG-92-1933-GOUDEY-GUM-CARD_W0QQitemZ320518127669

Just in case anybody is thinking about it. The card referenced above is a "FAKE" '33 Goudey Gehrig. Hey, let's be careful out there!

Lovely Day...

Please educate the ignorant among us (me included) as to what you see visually that tips you off that the card is a fake. Thanks

[Clark7781]

Please educate the ignorant among us (me included) as to what you see visually that tips you off that the card is a fake. Thanks

Yes, I am very interested in getting some education on this aspect of our hobby. It makes for an informed buyer. Thanks in advance for your time in providing us with information.

[teetwoohsix]

Disclaimer-I don't know squat about how to tell if or how this is a fake*

I could also learn from a few tips on how to tell the difference in spotting a fake one of these.After I read the OP,I went to ebay and was looking at graded examples,and trying to see the difference between the one in the OP and the graded examples,and I am having a rough time.......the only difference I am seeing,is in the graded examples,I can see the top of the bat extending slightly above the top border(not in full color,just a hint,maybe of the yellow?).Other than that,I'm missing something I guess...........

Sincerely,Clayton

[FUBAR]

i thought i was the only one that couldn't figure it out. I always look at the ones guys point out as fakes and 75% of the time, i cannot tell....

I don't think i could buy a card with a value over 50$ that is unslabbed simply for the fact i wouldn't want to get ripped off.

[cfc1909]

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[T206DK]

It looks real when compared to some pics of graded Gehrigs I just looked at. How can you tell it's a fake ?

[iggyman]

In regards to the authenticity on the '33 Goudey Gehrig on eBay.....

1. First thing to look for is the bottom red border, it should not match up perfectly at the ends with the rest of border (this also applies to the infield dirt right above the bottom red border). Sometimes this is hard to see on a scan but this one fails miserably. On an authentic '33 Goudey card the bottom red box and infield dirt would not square-up.

2. Secondly, his bat should extend into the top upper white border (albeit faintly). This one does not extend into the white border.

3. Thirdly, the button at the top of his cap should not be missing. This one passes this step, sometimes on reprints the button is cropped.

4. Lastly, the borders around the card and his uniform should NOT be too white compared to the rest of the card. This one is a bit too white. That uniform should not be so white.

That is what I look for on the front of the card to determine authenticity. This one failed on 3 of the 4; thus, it's not authentic. Frank Ward is real good at spotting fakes and he has always been very generous with his knowledge. Most of what I've learned has been from his input.

Lovely Day...

[iggyman]

Jim posted a picture of a real Gehrig card. Notice how it passes all the tests of authenticity.

Lovely Day...

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks iggyman.I do remember one of those threads where this was being discussed.The one in question is now at $300.00+!!:eek:

Clayton

[iggyman]

Here is the fake one on eBay. Notice the difference???

Lovely Day...

[ChiefBenderForever]

It's really a tough call imo, I have also never seen a fake with bleeding through, but the red appeared to bleed through on the back a little to far to one side but if fake it is the best fake I have ever seen. I'm still not convinced one way or the other 100%.

[iggyman]

I've seen plenty of fakes with bleeding on the back. Believe me, that is not a strong indicator of authenticity. You mean to tell me you cannot see the difference in color? That fake Gehrig is white as snow!!!

Lovely Day...

[teetwoohsix]

Johnny,that's one of the things that had me confused also,was the red bleeding through the back.It seems like the reprint ones I looked at didn't have that.A lot of (not all) the ones that I looked at in graded holders had the red bleeding through the back.

Edit to add-I can easily see what iggyman is pointing out,and have decided if I was ever to buy one of these Gehrig beauties,I would only buy one already slabbed by SGC-these seem alot harder to spot than fake T206's!!!:D

[ChiefBenderForever]

Color is spot on, the sgc example is faded, I can't tell from the scans but I am also not an expert.

[iggyman]

I would agree that red bleeding on the back of a Goudey card is a good sign. But, in this case, it only means that the original card used for the repro had the red bleeding. Nothing more.

Lovely Day...

[iggyman]

Color is spot on, the sgc example is faded, I can't tell from the scans but I am also not an expert.

Hopefully, Frank Ward can chime in. But, I'm done with this thread. It is, what it is.

Lovely Day...

[kcohen]

Hopefully, Frank Ward can chime in. But, I'm done with this thread. It is, what it is.

Lovely Day...

for sharing your knowledge.

[T206DK]

thanks for the information. I found it very useful

[fkw]

Its a fake, but one of the better ones because of the wet sheet back.

Everyone seems to look at different areas...
I look at the overall color (darker areas are too dark compared to the lighter ones, face has a "raccoon eye" look). The dirt doesnt blend well into border like the authentic do, also the red strip is exactly the same width as the rest of background (authentic cards the red strip ever so slightly doesnt match up with the background above where they meet the border).

[FUBAR]

Once it is pointed out you can see it. However what makes this one tough is that it isn't a scan , rather an average at best photo, which is probably done on purpose.

Thanks Iggy and Frank... info like this is always appreciated.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Yeah this is a great fake, so good it's up to 500.00 OUCH !! Someone is getting a royal screw job on this one. Thanks to Iggy for pointing this one out !

[Jewish-collector]

Thanks for the info.

Is this one real:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-Baseball-Lou-Gehrig-Card-Yankees-NY-HOF_W0QQitemZ170467627643QQcategoryZ213QQcmdZViewI temQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252 BSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252 BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26po%3D%26ps%3D 63%26clkid%3D9121651911443731805

[GoldenAge50s]

Using all the criteria mentioned it is definitely the real deal!

[iggyman]

Thanks for the info.

Is this one real:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-Baseball-Lou-Gehrig-Card-Yankees-NY-HOF_W0QQitemZ170467627643QQcategoryZ213QQcmdZViewI temQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252 BSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252 BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26po%3D%26ps%3D 63%26clkid%3D9121651911443731805

Alan, the card in question certainly passes the test and looks legit. If it were priced properly and I was in the market for a '33 Gehrig. Well, I would have no problems purchasing it (of course, the ebay/paypal buyer protection program would let me sleep well at night). I will preface that by stating the obvious.....without the card in-hand and fully examining it with a black light, authenticity cannot be 100% guaranteed.

Lovely Day...

[iggyman]

Okay, here is a good one to analyze. Questionable seller. Yet, the front seems to pass all the tests and looks legit. But wait, what color is the back again???

Does anybody want to take a stance on authenticity with this one??? It doesn't look like different cards (the front and back look like the same card). I know I wouldn't purchase this card. Anybody???

http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-GOUDEY-91-LOU-GEHRIG-ORIGINAL-CREASE-FREE-NR_W0QQitemZ220590145918

Lovely Day...