Team Photo Circa 1915

[cfc1909]

This is a team photo of my wife's grandfathers baseball team. Charles Lloyd Brown was born in 1895. My wife's mother ( Hester Brown) was born in 1922 and I am sure the photo is taken before that.
I have done a little research and have come up with very little-just want to share it and if anyone does know anything -please tell


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just want to ad -this started on the vintage baseball side and there are a few posts over there on the thread already but not too much info

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Jim,

Any idea where in Oklahoma this was taken?

Scott

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McAlister Oklahoma

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Charles is in the back row far left
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#3 Today, 10:45 AM
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Jim ... That is one outstanding image of an early team .....

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I'm willing to bet that one, or a few of our image aficionados will add info about this team image.

OK image diggers ... Go get 'em!


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#4 Today, 11:20 AM
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I think it's probably the U of Oklahoma baseball team..maybe the Freshman squad.
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#5 Today, 11:47 AM
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Dan, I'm glad you chimed in .....

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I looked at these threads, the images are gone, but the entries by the diggers are thought provoking.


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=66187


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=79108


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#6 Today, 11:55 AM
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Most of the guys who like to identify old photos like these are over on the Memorabilia side so I may move this over there if it doesn't get any action here.
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#7 Today, 12:03 PM
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thanks dan-my wife and I have tried to look at the yearbooks like you said but not getting much

the guy sitting front row far left reminds me of Jeremy J. Nashvillebaseball
(Hi Jeremy). I have only met you once at the National but he looks like a relative of yours. Any relatives from Okalahoma? Looks Native American.

anyway hope to keep this going a bit
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#8 Today, 12:23 PM
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Dan, why not .....

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Most of the guys who like to identify old photos like these are over on the Memorabilia side so I may move this over there if it doesn't get any action here.

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Why not place it over on the Memorabilia side, and keep it over here.
That way we'll have a double barrel activity in the Bull Pen.

It isn't every day that a baseball forum can help a fellow member with a personal baseball research.


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#9 Today, 12:25 PM
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That's a good idea Joe...since it is a family thing for Jim the more eyes the see it the better.

Go ahead and make the same post on the memorabilia side Jim and I'll leave this one here.
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#10 Today, 12:53 PM
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Go for it Jimbo .....

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That's a good idea Joe...since it is a family thing for Jim the more eyes the see it the better.

Go ahead and make the same post on the memorabilia side Jim and I'll leave this one here.

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Now that's what makes a forum, a fun forum.

The competition is on.

The Memorabilia Guys vs The Cardoholics.

Go Sickos Go!



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The cadet collars on jerseys appeared in the major leagues beginning, I believe, in 1909 (see for ex. Cubs), along with the vertical lettering. It did not stay popular long - just a few years. (see also PCL teams for similar).

I would say U of Oklahoma is a good guess if your wife's grandfather may have attended - directly contacting their athletic dept miay be a good place to start.


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#12 Today, 02:58 PM
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Jim,
Really cool piece!

Re/ :

"the guy sitting front row far left reminds me of Jeremy J. Nashvillebaseball
(Hi Jeremy). I have only met you once at the National but he looks like a relative of yours. Any relatives from Okalahoma? Looks Native American."

- Interesting you mention this b/c after looking at that photo, it reminded me of my Dad as there are a few photo's of my father we have when he was younger that look very similar to that dude and yes, we have Native American Indian in us ! Also, English and German !! Our families are from Kentucky/Tennessee area. I do have some relatives in Oklahoma, but not sure of origins.... You never know. That fella could be my great uncle ! lol
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#13 Today, 03:52 PM
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ok just got back in -I will post over the other side-

ok it is over there now -thank you guys
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[cfc1909]

I tried to copy and paste the whole thread and this is what happened

[Potomac Yank]

This is my first visit to your land.

It's an interesting site, and I'm glad that the two forums are collaborating on this project.
This mutual research challenge to help a fellow member, will be aided by the specialty areas of certain members, and the drive, and determination of the others.
The challenge is there, and the promise of satisfaction is a give.

Great to meet you guys.

Let's see if we can find out more about Charles Lloyd Brown, and his Okla team.

Joe Pelaez

[smokelessjoe]

Nice photo!

Looks like some decal bats in the photo... If you could provide some close-up high res scans of the decals, some clues may be revealed. Also, the hats appear to have a pin or a patch that may provide some clues if some close-ups can be provided.

Shawn

[cfc1909]

I will make close up scans later tonight and post them.

thanks
Jim

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ok attached are the extra scans focus on the hats and the bats in the front-let me know if more are needed



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[Kawika]

McAlister Oklahoma
Jim: If the photo was taken in McAlester Okla. that's where I would start. Per the internet there is only one high school there, namely McAlester HS. Might it be associated with one of the reservations? Learned that Pepper Martin was from McAlester but he'd have been too young, born in '05. Here is a link to the McAlester Chamber of Commerce-maybe someone at the local library can pick up the trail (918-426-0930). A worthwhile mystery to be solved, freeing your wife's grandfather from the darkness of history.

Curious bat decal:

[smokelessjoe]

Here are some great links that are full of info and some nice pics of Oklahoma Sports teams. I think it is really well done and it mentions several local teams as well as High School competion info. I think if you really dig into all the info, you might find the missing link.

Bob Burke and Larry O'Dell of the Oklahoma Historical Society really have done a great job.

At the bottom of each page are "quick links" for Golf, Sports, Indains, etc. all pertaining to Oklahoma.

Below are two links: One for Baseball and one for Football. Football link has a Great photo.

Hope this helps

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/B/BA030.html

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/F/FO015.html

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Those are fantastic and interesting sites.

Kawika:
"A worthwhile mystery to be solved, freeing your wife's grandfather from the darkness of history."

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Damn David, that was well said. :)

[Oldtix]

My roots are in Oklahoma and I love seeing this photo. My great-uncle was playing on a team in Okemah in the teens and my uncle was on a great American Legion team there in the thirties.

Bob Burke, Kenny Franks and Royse Parr created an outstanding 1999 book titled "Glory Days of Summer: The History of Baseball in Oklahoma." Curt Gowdy wrote the foreword. The first organized game on record in Oklahoma was played in 1882 when it was still Indian Territory. The book covers baseball in all forms: townball, college, high school, town teams, barnstorming, sandlot, semipro and minor league baseball. I didn't find any uniforms like these pictured in the book.

McAlester had minor league teams in 1905 (Missouri Valley League), 1906 (South Central League), 1907 (Oklahoma-Arkansas-Kansas League) and 1908 (Oklahoma-Kansas League). From 1914-1926, the McAlester Miners played in the Western Association.

Here's a photo of the 1910 Oklahoma University Team (note the hound dog mascot at front). For what it's worth, the 1913 Oklahoma A&M team (today Okla State) don't resemble your style either. Good luck in the quest!

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/001-6.jpg

[Abravefan11]

Rick P -

Do you have any photo's of the University of Central Oklahoma or Oklahoma Central Normal from that time period? They regularly played OU and A&M during the time frame that the photo was taken.

[Oldtix]

Here's the 1896 team (when the school was named Territorial Normal) and a shot of a Central State player presumably from the 1920s.

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/1896normal.jpghttp://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/1897.jpg

[smokelessjoe]

Here is some neat stuff... Do not think it helps though.

[cfc1909]

thanks to everybody that is or has worked on this. I will try and gather more info and post

[Potomac Yank]

Thank you for posting those images ... they're great.