Topps Venezuelans

[RayBShotz]

How tough?

Your thoughtful comments would be appreciated on this topic.
Thanks.
RayB

[hcv123]

I think a really good way to answer this question is with PSA pop reports -

1959 - USA - 174,583 graded
Venezuelan - 147 graded

1960 - USA - 154,516 graded
Venezuelan - 396 graded

1962 - USA - 122,650 graded
Venezuelan - 614 graded

1964 - USA - 105,841 graded
Venezuelan - 740 graded

1966 - USA - 93,995 graded
Venezuelan - 1231 graded

1967 - USA - 124,457 graded
Venezuelan - 698 graded

1968 - USA - 160,601 graded
Venezuelan - 405 graded

Imho, these cards are completely under appreciated. Many collectors don't know they exist or how to recognize one if they saw it raw. Are you collecting them? Selling them? If you're selling drop me a line - I am always looking to add to my collection. Thanks.

-Howard

[David W]

There are a number of them on Ebay, however, I have been looking for a 68 Lou Brock World Series card for years.

I"ve found all the other Lou Brock cards.

I imagine if you were trying to put a set together, it would be pretty tough.

There were several people at the National with large quantities of Venezuelan's.

Also, high grade does not seem to exist, that may be another reason, aside from scarcity why the pop reports are so low.

[RayBShotz]

Howard - Looking for V cards for my collection especially 66's.
Aside from the expensive batch of graded examples on eBay these appear to be exceedingly rare.
David - The Nationals might be my next best shot at acquiring some more.
RayB

[bcbgcbrcb]

IMHO - pretty scarce, not very popular to mainstream collectors (as mentioned previously) probably because they are hard to identify via the internet by anyone except the most educated collectors. Based on these two criteria, I believe they are currently fairly priced for the market based on supply/demand.

[Rob D.]

A couple of years ago there was a 1967 Lajoie "Retirado" on eBay. I thought I put in a snipe that would be more than enough -- by a lot. Turns out I was wrong. Maybe it was a case of there being one other person out there who was as goofy as I was with a snipe, but I've yet to come across another example.

[RayBShotz]

A couple of years ago there was a 1967 Lajoie "Retirado" on eBay. I thought I put in a snipe that would be more than enough -- by a lot. Turns out I was wrong. Maybe it was a case of there being one other person out there who was as goofy as I was with a snipe, but I've yet to come across another example.

Rob - 1967 Retired Players seem to be hugely sought after by "player collectors" and thereby have an unusally higher demand.

[hcv123]

Ray,

The good news is that the 66's are the easiest to find AND are possible in better grades as my understanding is there was no album issued for them to be glued into that year. Don't overpay for lower grade (PSA 3 or lower), but don't be afraid to pay for higher grade stars - the demand SIGNIFICANTLY overshadows the supply on the stars - commons on the other hand should be a pretty good deal as previously mentioned, not many woring on sets. Me, I'm trying to put together a collection of some of the superstars from 1959-1972. Have a good start from 10 years ago, but still need plenty of them. Happy collecting.

-Howard

[a761506]

I wouldn't read into the population reports too much and think that 1966 was the easiest year to find. The 1966 population report has been beefed up largely by me. There absolutely was a 1966 album (I own one) and the cards were glued in the albums like crazy in 1966. I dug high and low to get the 1966 cards that I have, which are responsible for close to 75% of the higher grade material in the 1966 pop. report, but most cards are not found that nice. 1966 Venezuelan cards were printed on the best quality card stock they used for any Venezuelan set, and the stock has allowed the cards to survive a little better.

I personally think finding 1964 cards is easier than 1966 cards, but finding cards with no surface damage is easier in 1966. The 1964 cards are on terrible card stock, and the black backs make finding clean examples from this year a huge undertaking.

[hcv123]

:o Thanks Josh. Obviously got my facts wrong. For those who don't know - Josh is "THE" man when it comes to Venezuelans.

[RayBShotz]

Josh - Thanks for chiming in. Your knowledge on this subject is invaluable and always appreciated. Do you have a 66' Album? Just curious what they look like.
RayB

[yazfan08]

Josh is definitely the resident authority on Venezuelans. I used to collect them somewhat extensively, but now only have what is depicted below: every Yaz Ven.

Good topic.


http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yaztoppsvenezuelan/websize/yazvens.jpg

[sschauer]

Anyone have scans of the albums they are super rare and hardly ever seen.

[RayBShotz]

Great looking Yaz collection!

[Wite3]

Josh,
'64 Venezuelan Blank Backs? I thought those were the ones with the cool black backed printing (not the ugly orange-pink of the regular issue).

Joshua

[a761506]

Josh,
'64 Venezuelan Blank Backs?
Joshua

Black backs.

[jp1216]

(6) 59 Topps are all that I have. All originally were in PSA slabs - now SGC. All are 1s and 2s. Very rare indeed..

[kards]

There is a Yahoo group that has pictures of the albums as well as cards, here is the link


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toppsvenezuela/

[HRBAKER]

What is the going rate on a '67 Topps Ven Bobby Cox these days?
Thanks.

Jeff

[a761506]

What is the going rate on a '67 Topps Ven Bobby Cox these days?
Thanks.

Jeff

There aren't really going rates on any of these cards because there are so few of them to begin with, and even fewer available.

Obviously the price depends largely upon the condition. If one was to be auctioned and it had no back damage and somewhere in the vicinity of VG/EX to EX, it would probably sell for about $200-300. Although, with news of his retirement at season's end, perhaps a slight premium above that.

A Cox card with back damage is worth under $100. Cards with back damage or tape residue are the standard, although they are far less desirable.

[HRBAKER]

There aren't really going rates on any of these cards because there are so few of them to begin with, and even fewer available.

Obviously the price depends largely upon the condition. If one was to be auctioned and it had no back damage and somewhere in the vicinity of VG/EX to EX, it would probably sell for about $200-300. Although, with news of his retirement at season's end, perhaps a slight premium above that.

A Cox card with back damage is worth under $100. Cards with back damage or tape residue are the standard, although they are far less desirable.


I'd be interested in one with back damage as long as the front was decent for my Braves team collection. Thanks for the info. Jeff

[Rich Klein]

That because that is one of the Bobby Cox cards made during his playing career and being a good two years before his Topps RC; there is actually upside potential in that card.

You have a very difficult card to obtain (The first series is harder than the last couple of that year for the Venezuelan cards) and the 1st card of a future HOFer (even as a manager)

I think if you were making a list of underrated cards; that Cox card would be amongst them. I wonder what Phil G thinks of that card

Rich

[DBesse27]

Reading the other Venezuelan thread and stumbled upon this one. Great knowledge being dropped by Josh Alpert, who is the king of Venezuelans. I'm salivating over that complete Yaz run. Does anybody know if that guy still comes around here?