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vintagebaseball
03-03-2010, 01:24 PM
Hello, I was searching on ebay for e90-1's and came across some that had been graded by a company called verisleeve. Has anyone heard of this grading company and is it to be trusted? here is the link to the grading service http://verisleeve.com/
Robextend
03-03-2010, 01:52 PM
They must have literally just opened shop. I am not sure what their program is, but it seems they cater to lower grade cards?
"Finally there's an affordable service to have off grade and lower value cards encapsulated along with your most prized collectibles. Verisleeve encapsulation provides protection and ensures the authenticity of your cards."
I would always err on the side of caution when we aren't talking about the Top 3 or 4 grading companies.
EDITED TO ADD: I saw in their pop report they graded an N172 Tim Keefe (A).....geez
Never heard of it, but the holders appear to be like a card saver with a label over the opening. According to the site "With Verisleeve's tamper proof labeling system, its virtually impossible for a label to be removed and reused in an effort to deceive a collector". If it's only virtually impossible to remove the label, odds are somebody will find a way. :(
Anthony S.
03-03-2010, 02:41 PM
Suffice to say, that seller's testimonials about Verisleeve should not be considered entirely objective.
Suffice to say, that seller's testimonials about Verisleeve should not be considered entirely objective.
The seller (who is selling all Verisleeve graded cards) is located in Boynton Beach, FL. Verisleeve is located in Boynton Beach, FL. I'm guessing either there's a connection or he's really pulling hard for the hometown grading service.
iggyman
03-03-2010, 02:55 PM
Did you catch their testimonials.............
"Verisleeve has been bery, bery good to me!
15000
Lovely Day...
Ladder7
03-03-2010, 03:09 PM
There's a link to all his ebay auctions at the homepage. Im not sure that's a good business move. Nor is the GAI flip impersonation.
But, competition is a good thing. Hope he makes it.
Give 'em hell Vladislav... Poor bastard
Exhibitman
03-04-2010, 03:35 PM
Isn't it interesting how none of these fly by night third party graders ever post a cv or other biographical information that would allow the reader of the web site to evaluate who they are and what their qualifications are for doing what they do?
egbeachley
03-04-2010, 04:28 PM
Never heard of it, but the holders appear to be like a card saver with a label over the opening. According to the site "With Verisleeve's tamper proof labeling system, its virtually impossible for a label to be removed and reused in an effort to deceive a collector".(
The label can't be removed without shredding, but the card can be switched?
Anthony S.
03-04-2010, 04:32 PM
This seems an ideal opportunity for the board member who started this service to advertise their new product and address these questions.
glynparson
03-04-2010, 04:38 PM
http://www.isagrading.com/
I know I've at least heard of Mr. Koonce.
Has anyone seen any of the cards yet? I know I won't buy, without first seeing in person, but I was wondering if anyone has seen any of these yet?
barrysloate
03-04-2010, 04:38 PM
Nice to know the label can't be removed, but a more pertinent question would be can they detect altered cards, and do they know how to grade?
vintagebaseball
03-04-2010, 04:45 PM
I was also wondering if someone on the board has any connection to this service and if they can detect altered cards?
glynparson
03-04-2010, 04:49 PM
Jason Dodd, and Danielle Sacks Butler
cozmokramer
03-04-2010, 05:42 PM
Most of you know me... and I'm the seller of the current Verisleeve cards on ebay.
Verisleeve is local to me and being run by Rob Butler. He's been a dealer for quite some time, quite a knowledgeable body when it comes to cards. He's given up life as a dealer, actually sold a hobby/card shop he had here in florida about a year ago and has been working on this startup.
I've known him for years and provided about 2000 cards for grading to help his venture get kicked off (and yes I paid for the services, he needed capital).
Its a saturated market and I wish him well, he might be a viable low cost alternative to the big guys for those on ebay looking to have lower value stuff graded for resale.
He's been engulfed with the startup, but I'm working to get him on here to introduce himself to everyone.
Anthony S.
03-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Most of you know me... and I'm the seller of the current Verisleeve cards on ebay.
Verisleeve is local to me and being run by Rob Butler. He's been a dealer for quite some time, quite a knowledgeable body when it comes to cards. He's given up life as a dealer, actually sold a hobby/card shop he had here in florida about a year ago and has been working on this startup.
I've known him for years and provided about 2000 cards for grading to help his venture get kicked off (and yes I paid for the services, he needed capital).
Its a saturated market and I wish him well, he might be a viable low cost alternative to the big guys for those on ebay looking to have lower value stuff graded for resale.
He's been engulfed with the startup, but I'm working to get him on here to introduce himself to everyone.
I should say Verisleeve is very local to you. The mailing address on the Verisleeve website is your address.
cozmokramer
03-04-2010, 06:15 PM
Yes thats correct, I've always used that address for my deliveries. My current EBAY and PAYPAL addresses are not that address anymore. There are many companies that use that location for their mailing address.
As Rob ventured into this startup, I've done everything I could to help, he's been someone I've known for many years. As I said, I wish him luck, the grading business is a VERY SATURATED market and its probably too late to enter the game.
barrysloate
03-04-2010, 06:32 PM
Eric- the best way for your friend to succeed is to do a really good job. The market may be saturated with grading services, but there is always room for a better product.
cozmokramer
03-04-2010, 06:43 PM
Barry - I agree with your comments... but late to the game is difficult for anyone thats up against companies that have already established themselves as SGC and PSA has. Look at how much trouble GAI has had trying to re-invent themselves over and over.
So many of you have posted over and over... buy the card, not the holder. If what I have doesn't interest you or you are bothered by the conflict of interest in me helping someone with a startup, don't bid on my auctions.
Eric, a bit of friendly advice for your friend...
There are numerous grammatical errors, some questionable punctuation usage, and outright sentence fragments in the Verisleeve writeup on the website. Hiring someone to edit the site's content may make financial sense, as these mistakes take away a lot of the "professionalism".
Anthony S.
04-04-2010, 02:03 AM
Most of you know me... and I'm the seller of the current Verisleeve cards on ebay.
Verisleeve is local to me and being run by Rob Butler. He's been a dealer for quite some time, quite a knowledgeable body when it comes to cards. He's given up life as a dealer, actually sold a hobby/card shop he had here in florida about a year ago and has been working on this startup.
I've known him for years and provided about 2000 cards for grading to help his venture get kicked off (and yes I paid for the services, he needed capital).
Its a saturated market and I wish him well, he might be a viable low cost alternative to the big guys for those on ebay looking to have lower value stuff graded for resale.
He's been engulfed with the startup, but I'm working to get him on here to introduce himself to everyone.
So you're not the CEO of Verisleeve LLC? Because you're listed as such on the Florida Department of State Division of Corporations website.
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=L04000003577&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0001&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=498581&names_name_seq=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_comp_name=FOODKWIK&names_filing_type=
sbfinley
04-04-2010, 02:42 AM
I don't care who runs it or the politics beside it. If you grade the cards properly and build consumer confidence, we will use it.
Basilone
04-04-2010, 05:03 AM
So you're not the CEO of Verisleeve LLC? Because you're listed as such on the Florida Department of State Division of Corporations website.
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=L04000003577&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0001&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=498581&names_name_seq=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_comp_name=FOODKWIK&names_filing_type=
Let the truth set you free. Best of luck with your new venture.
T206DK
04-04-2010, 07:02 AM
nice detective work Anthony ! Lying is no way to gain a customer base - maybe it just doesn't matter anymore though when it comes to card grading :cool:
richieb315
04-04-2010, 07:30 AM
Mr Rob Butler
Most of you know me... and I'm the seller of the current Verisleeve cards on ebay.
Verisleeve is local to me and being run by Rob Butler. He's been a dealer for quite some time, quite a knowledgeable body when it comes to cards. He's given up life as a dealer, actually sold a hobby/card shop he had here in florida about a year ago and has been working on this startup.
I've known him for years and provided about 2000 cards for grading to help his venture get kicked off (and yes I paid for the services, he needed capital).
Its a saturated market and I wish him well, he might be a viable low cost alternative to the big guys for those on ebay looking to have lower value stuff graded for resale.
He's been engulfed with the startup, but I'm working to get him on here to introduce himself to everyone.
Tcards-Please
04-04-2010, 07:35 AM
Great work Anthony
He's not only a client, he's also the President. Honesty and integrity goes a long way especially when one is attempting to start a business.
Oh well, not that I was going to change TPG's or anything.
cozmokramer
04-04-2010, 09:21 AM
wow... what great detective work...
Did you also search out the addendum to the articles where this used to be Foodle LLC.? And then the filing where Foodle LLC. was recently sold to a Mr. Rob Butler and consequently the name changed from Foodle LLC. to Verisleeve LLC.?
Best of luck to everyone here, i'm not going to continue to post as its a waste of my time. Everyone here is looking to find fault or something wrong in just about every situation without the whole story or full research.
Ladder7
04-04-2010, 10:09 AM
Not so sure of the name cozmo, doesnt really flow... If you'd go with "Kramerica Kards", I'll send in a sub immediately.
Whatever happened to the restaurant, where the customers make their own pie?
cozmokramer
04-04-2010, 10:12 AM
Not so sure of the name cozmo, doesnt really flow... If you'd go with "Kramerica Kards", I'll send in a sub immediately.
Whatever happened to the restaurant, where the customers make their own pie?
Now that was original. Why didn't I think of this?
barrysloate
04-04-2010, 10:22 AM
You can't have people putting their hands into a 600 degree oven.:)
Rob D.
04-04-2010, 10:28 AM
Is it a graded card when the grade is conceived or when the card is put in a holder?
Hey Cozmo
Even though there was a good explanation you have to agree that from the outside it did look like you were the Pres.? You are a good member and I hope you stick around. As for helping a startup there is nothing wrong with that. And as far as any kind of restaurant business goes, I can feel your pain. (and I will be feeling it for some more years)
Other than that it's only 11:40am in Dallas and I think I am already getting tired :o.
Robextend
04-04-2010, 10:53 AM
You can't have people putting their hands into a 600 degree oven.:)
Costanza is in the building!!!!!
barrysloate
04-04-2010, 11:21 AM
Let me have some of that eggplant George. Old Steinie wants some more of that calzone (I'm paraphrasing badly here:().
Basilone
04-04-2010, 08:50 PM
wow... what great detective work...
Did you also search out the addendum to the articles where this used to be Foodle LLC.? And then the filing where Foodle LLC. was recently sold to a Mr. Rob Butler and consequently the name changed from Foodle LLC. to Verisleeve LLC.?
Best of luck to everyone here, i'm not going to continue to post as its a waste of my time. Everyone here is looking to find fault or something wrong in just about every situation without the whole story or full research.
I think he was looking at the document that was signed/filed 5 days ago (3/29/10).
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/73398602.pdf
calvindog
04-04-2010, 09:10 PM
The nickel and dime fraud that occurs on this site is almost too funny to be true.
Now has anyone seen Kramer and Blunder in the same room at the same time?
T206DK
04-04-2010, 09:33 PM
wow....so that document filed on the 29th totally contradicts what was previously posted. Veri-interesting :)
cozmokramer
04-05-2010, 04:25 AM
Again, half-ass reasearch.
Thats just an annual report thats filed by typing in a credit card online. Now please go ahead and find all the amendments to the articles of incorporation that were also put into place over the past couple weeks.
Also, do your research, this is a company that has been around for over 5 years, its nothing new.
No wonder why people give others like blunder and bruce a hard time around here, all you people do is look for negativity.
THANK YOU LEON, this board has been great, I've been selling and buying from members for many years on here and it has been enjoyable. Quite frankly I don't have the ability to deal with politics that goes on here anymore, its just not enjoyable. There are other boards where I can buy and sell and help build my collection.
Signing of....
T206DK
04-05-2010, 06:38 AM
I simply don't see Rob Butler's name anywhere on that document that was filed with the Florida Secretary of State. Shouldn't he be the registered agent or the CEO or both if he is the owner of Veri-Sleeve. that's how we do it here in Ohio anyway :)
Basilone
04-05-2010, 06:48 AM
I simply don't see Rob Butler's name anywhere on that document that was filed with the Florida Secretary of State. Shouldn't he be the registered agent or the CEO or both if he is the owner of Veri-Sleeve. that's how we do it here in Ohio anyway :)
I did not see Mr. Butler's name anywhere on the links that Anthony S. provided either.
Document Images
03/29/2010 -- ANNUAL REPORT
03/18/2010 -- LC Name Change
03/19/2009 -- ANNUAL REPORT
07/08/2008 -- ANNUAL REPORT
07/05/2007 -- LC Name Change
07/03/2007 -- ANNUAL REPORT
04/23/2006 -- REINSTATEMENT
01/13/2004 -- Florida Limited Liabilites
calvindog
04-05-2010, 06:53 AM
More shoddy research.
oldjudge
04-05-2010, 07:49 AM
Ya just can't count on the state of Florida to get anything right. BTW, is cock fighting legal in Florida? May have to change name to verisleeze.
Ladder7
04-05-2010, 08:38 AM
Yes, but not with poultry
Pup6913
04-05-2010, 09:19 AM
Yes, but not with poultry
lol
deadballpaul
04-05-2010, 10:12 AM
Regardless of the drama, an inexpensive service for low end cards is not a bad idea IMHO.
calvindog
04-05-2010, 10:18 AM
Agreed. Take away the fraudulent presentation here and the grammar on the site which was written by someone who speaks English as a third or fourth language and I'm all for it.
showtime
04-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Regardless of the drama, an inexpensive service for low end cards is not a bad idea IMHO.
The motto for BCCG
Jim VB
04-05-2010, 11:02 AM
The motto for BCCG
BCCG would be borderline OK if they used the standard 10 point grading scale. Grading cards on a scale of 5-10 only is the misleading part. When the worst POS card you can imagine is graded as a BCCG 5, that's where the problems start.
Rob D.
04-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Offensive.
nolemmings
04-05-2010, 11:22 AM
Deplorable (but doesn't rise to the level of absolutely deplorable).
onlychild
04-05-2010, 11:27 AM
Going to try and get away from the negativity here...
Well at least he is posting and making an effort. Not sure if it's shady operation or if the owner possesses acceptable skills but if he is willing to reach out and be civil, perhaps collectors can give him/them a chance. I'm sure many can offer help or suggestions with the grammar, content, site structure, etc.
I would be willing to put the tamper proof labels and holders to the test at no cost. I will give an honest evaluation (private or public) as I have done with other grading companies. It's not much but it's something.
Kevin Saucier
tiger8mush
04-05-2010, 11:33 AM
Regardless of the drama, an inexpensive service for low end cards is not a bad idea IMHO.
I agree, if the service includes authentication and alteration detection. Most of us can grade low end cards, but determining a card is unaltered is good for internet sales.
Does this new company provide authentication?
tothrk
04-05-2010, 11:40 AM
THANK YOU LEON, this board has been great, I've been selling and buying from members for many years on here and it has been enjoyable. Quite frankly I don't have the ability to deal with politics that goes on here anymore, its just not enjoyable. There are other boards where I can buy and sell and help build my collection.
Signing of....
It appears his sensibilities have been offended. I think he took his ball and went home. Answers to authentication questions may not be forthcoming.
T206DK
04-08-2010, 04:27 PM
does anyone know anything about the find of Old Judges their Twitter account says they were selected to grade ?
Wow....Freudian typo in their tweet from 6 days ago?
"Verisleeve - The Verisleeve set registry launches with great success! Over 100 sets have been added by card owners in just the first FEE days!"
calvindog
04-08-2010, 04:57 PM
Considering the lies put out by the company's CEO on this very thread, why would you take anything on their site at face value?
But where else would you go if you wanted to find an AUTHENTIC graded T-206 Whitey Alperman with a Sweet Caporal reverse, assuming you didn't like the services of PSA, SGC, GAI, BGS/BVG, PRO, or CSA. There aren't any other options out there!!!
calvindog
04-08-2010, 05:24 PM
GAI is opening on Monday; I'd go there.
Pup6913
04-08-2010, 05:26 PM
GAI is opening on Monday; I'd go there.
Again. How many times is this now??